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| Annie Apple isn't backing down from her criticism of the Giants. In fact, the mother of rookie cornerback Eli Apple is doubling down on her condemnation of the franchise. Annie Apple skewered the Giants as a whole and co-owner John Mara in particular two weeks ago for the franchise's handling of the Josh Brown domestic violence saga. Annie Apple had more criticism for the Giants in her latest SI.com column that was posted on Wednesday. "I was livid with the Giants, not just because of John Mara's comments but I was disappointed in the organization because I felt they were leaning heavily on a 21-year-old kid in an effort to control what his mother says," Annie Apple wrote. "That's not fair." |
Turned the page and hopped onto this thread to post about it.
Which one? Black Eli? White Eli? Both Elis?
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Feel sorry for Eli.
Which one? Black Eli? White Eli? Both Elis?
Albino Eli.
Only Jerry could draft someone and get Tiki's sister as part of the deal
Only a die-hard Reese basher could find a way to even blame Jerry for this.
Do you have ANY posts that don't take a big pile of shit on the GM?
Speaking of said son, at some point she should realize that the ONLY reason why she has this voice is because of him and if she continues to go down the road she's taking she's jeopardizing his career... which is not fair of HER to do.
I thought this comment (from the Comments sections below) brought up a great point that I hadn't considered before:
Instead of standing on the bully pulpit provided to her by the Giants, criticizing the Giants, her message should be about the bad choices that lead to domestic violence, like her bad choices.
That's all this was about. She wanted attention. Her principles are inauthentic at best.
Probably almost as much as your co-workers in the locker room might!
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Only Jerry could draft someone and get Tiki's sister as part of the deal
Only a die-hard Reese basher could find a way to even blame Jerry for this.
Do you have ANY posts that don't take a big pile of shit on the GM?
This is what this guy lives for.. spends all day dropping these dumb jokes about Reese that no one laughs at. Has yet to contribute anything of substance at any point.. ever.
For goodness sake, we're talking about the mother of a guy who plays for the Giants. Sometimes I'm really embarrassed to be a part of this site.
I'm not one to complain to the mods or even push back on the people who insult me, but some of this stuff is really beyond the already low bar of Internet decency.
A lot of people were talking about how much "fun" she is and how awesome it was to have the mother of a player being so vocal an active.... Yeah, nah, she's annoying AF.
For goodness sake, we're talking about the mother of a guy who plays for the Giants. Sometimes I'm really embarrassed to be a part of this site.
I'm not one to complain to the mods or even push back on the people who insult me, but some of this stuff is really beyond the already low bar of Internet decency.
What vulgar garbage?
We're supposed to be civil...you're not being kind. The mods don't like it when you're not nice.
For goodness sake, we're talking about the mother of a guy who plays for the Giants. Sometimes I'm really embarrassed to be a part of this site.
I'm not one to complain to the mods or even push back on the people who insult me, but some of this stuff is really beyond the already low bar of Internet decency.
For someone who doesn't push back or complain, I feel this is an odd time to start.
For goodness sake, we're talking about the mother of a guy who plays for the Giants. Sometimes I'm really embarrassed to be a part of this site.
I'm not one to complain to the mods or even push back on the people who insult me, but some of this stuff is really beyond the already low bar of Internet decency.
One poster told her to "suck a big fat dick." Beyond that, everyone else is telling her to shut up, because she should.
So I'm not really sure what you're whining about.
Agreed.
She is taking it to a whole other level with the "organization trying to lean on my son" garbage. I haven't heard from any of the other mothers in the NFL this season - what makes her so special? Nobody knew who she was before her kid was drafted by this organization with a top ten pick and are paying him millions of dollars.
For his part, I think the young first rounder is handling it well, but I feel bad for him to have to be put in this position. We know what goes on in these NFL locker rooms and I'm sure it isn't making his life any easier. Hopefully it doesn't translate to the field.
I really do hate a lot of things that have to do with the NFL lately. Eli Apple's mom is just another one of those things.
The Josh Brown issue she talks about is an important one, the problem is she keeps making everything about herself. Its a constant Me..Me..Me refrain from the start to the finish.
If your mother had a voice and was publicly criticizing your employer... how long before your employment situation is impacted?
If she keeps this up, it does not mean the Giants dump Eli. It means they may not offer as much $ when his rookie contract ends. It means future organizations may not want to deal with his mother either knowing that she is part of the package they are buying.
And that one is definitely part of the bottom-of-the-barrel crew.
About three months into the relationship, it started. I'd come over to his apartment to see him one night. When I walked through the door, he asked where I was a couple of days prior. I couldn't understand what he was talking about or why he was so angry. Before I could even respond he hit me so hard I fell to the ground. He stood over me and began hitting me some more. His roommate came and told him to stop. But he didn't. He said one of his barbershop clients said he'd seen me walking down the street with some guy. He called me horrible names, dragged me by my shirt and threw me out of his apartment. I went to the neighbor and asked if I could use the phone. I called my girlfriend to please come and get me.
Relax?
Yup. You had to be a naive not to see this coming back in May. I know the type that fail in life and is forced to live vicariously through their kids.
I was fine with the column on DV. She wrote a thoughtful piece. It seems like a repeated pattern of attention seeking.
With that said, I don't consider this a 'problem' or anything. I'd just be annoyed if I were Apple.
I contrast her approach in dealing with a very sensitive and volatile subject with the Giants handling of the player protests and police violence. One shows class, dignity, fairness, and respect, while the other strikes me as someone saying hey listen to my opinion, and if you don't I'll just say it louder.
Overall, I like Annie Apple and I have enjoyed her contributions thus far. But her 21 year old is not a kid, he doesn't need mommy holding his hand. He is a highly valued employee of the Giants and at worst the organization wanted to discuss his mother's comments with him, probably inquiring how they could limit those comments. To which he said there was really nothing he could do and she was her own person. While Annie Apple certainly has her experiences and her feelings, the fact remains she has no insight into exactly how the Giants handled this situation (no matter how poorly it appears) and what they Giants new about the situation. She has said her piece, the Giants have given their response via a family connection, which is far more respectful than a press statement. Eli Apple is not a kid, he is a 21 year old man who is paid very well to play football for a multi-million dollar business. Time for all parties to move on.
She's insufferable. I thought it was cute at first that she was so outspoken, but her tweets are truly painful to look at. Just pure garbage.
Please don't. Please explain why.
Unless Annie Apple plans on forcing her son to quit football I couldn't care less what she does. let her blast the Giants. It's only a story if you want it to be.
Who would give a flying fuck if she wasn't the mother of a player?
Unless Annie Apple plans on forcing her son to quit football I couldn't care less what she does. let her blast the Giants. It's only a story if you want it to be.
I'm not gonna pretend to know the culture of a/the locker room but I don't think the notion of a momma's boy is going to go over well with grown men with families of their own. It's a distraction, albeit not a huge, IMO.
If you have a problem with "Old Dirty Beckhams" comment then why not call him out personally? Why phrase your response as though its a thread issue and not an issue with one member in particular?
Then you come back on your white horse and rant about toughness.
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does this have anything to do with Sunday's game? Nope.
Unless Annie Apple plans on forcing her son to quit football I couldn't care less what she does. let her blast the Giants. It's only a story if you want it to be.
I'm not gonna pretend to know the culture of a/the locker room but I don't think the notion of a momma's boy is going to go over well with grown men with families of their own. It's a distraction, albeit not a huge, IMO.
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Is really dumb I mean really really dumb. I'll leave it at that.
Who would give a flying fuck if she wasn't the mother of a player?
Who gives a flying fuck now? Maybe you not me. What would Eli be without his mother? How can anyone possibly know?
Why should they?
THIS!!! LOL
Unless Annie Apple plans on forcing her son to quit football I couldn't care less what she does. let her blast the Giants. It's only a story if you want it to be.
It's newsworthy as it is potentially impacting the image and reputation of the team, even if it doesn't necessarily impact what happens on the field.
The Giants screwed up with how they handled the Josh Brown situation. They were completely tone deaf, which is what can happen when you lack gender diversity in the executive ranks.
Good for her. She's passionate and she cares..Doesn't matter whether she's misguided from time to time, does it?
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Is really dumb I mean really really dumb. I'll leave it at that.
Who would give a flying fuck if she wasn't the mother of a player?
Who gives a flying fuck now? Maybe you not me. What would Eli be without his mother? How can anyone possibly know?
Apparently some do. Apparently some fans and the team have taken umbrage at what she's doing.
Speaking of said son, at some point she should realize that the ONLY reason why she has this voice is because of him and if she continues to go down the road she's taking she's jeopardizing his career... which is not fair of HER to do.
I thought this comment (from the Comments sections below) brought up a great point that I hadn't considered before:
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Annie Apple is described as "a survivor of domestic violence". And the description makes it seem like she was subject to some random events that were totally out of her control. The fact is she made bad choices. She went out with a violent abuser. And she reconciled with the abuser time after time. She allowed herself to get pregnant with the abuser.
Instead of standing on the bully pulpit provided to her by the Giants, criticizing the Giants, her message should be about the bad choices that lead to domestic violence, like her bad choices.
Now: STHU or we trade your son to Cleveland for Joe Thomas and their 2nd. Then you can really have opportunity to comment."
--------JM
On second thought,JR! See if Cleveland will buy this, or something close to it.................
------JM
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"Even after my gut-wrenching column, I have yet to hear from anyone from the Giants," Annie Apple wrote. "Boy, what a great opportunity to show heart, but nope. It's business as usual. I'm not mad. I'm just enlightened."
Putting aside for a moment whether she should have written about here experience and feelings or not. For a team that is known for personally answering every fans mail it is a little surprising that they didn't reach out to her after he initial article.
John Mara really comes off as clueless in handling the entire Brown situation from the beginning to end.
The Giants will employ addicts, abusers and other deviant if they think they can manage the PR and the player is worth the effort and trouble.
The MYTH they are some how above other owners/team in this regard is never to be debunked by some fans ... and their actions and choices in this incident and other does just that. All Mrs. Apple did was shine a light on it....if they did not want the pub they should have cut him from jump street.
About three months into the relationship, it started. I'd come over to his apartment to see him one night. When I walked through the door, he asked where I was a couple of days prior. I couldn't understand what he was talking about or why he was so angry. Before I could even respond he hit me so hard I fell to the ground. He stood over me and began hitting me some more. His roommate came and told him to stop. But he didn't. He said one of his barbershop clients said he'd seen me walking down the street with some guy. He called me horrible names, dragged me by my shirt and threw me out of his apartment. I went to the neighbor and asked if I could use the phone. I called my girlfriend to please come and get me.
Why do people think their past experiences is an issue for everybody. I was treated badly in the past Les is that somehow your issue today?
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needs to go away.
She's insufferable. I thought it was cute at first that she was so outspoken, but her tweets are truly painful to look at. Just pure garbage.
From the Moment Eli Apple was drafted and her Mother saw
this opportunity to seek attention for herself .
Now I think we all know the JB situation was not handled
well but she wants to keep it in the now . A woman who
continued to stay in a bad relationship after numerous
issues wants to use her son's career and hard work so
she can remain in the spotlight and profit from it .
I feel bad for Eli A he doesn't deserve this ...
LMAO!!!
Why do people think their past experiences is an issue for everybody. I was treated badly in the past Les is that somehow your issue today?
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The Giants declined to comment on Annie Apple's criticism. She said they have not contacted her to address her concerns.
"Even after my gut-wrenching column, I have yet to hear from anyone from the Giants," Annie Apple wrote. "Boy, what a great opportunity to show heart, but nope. It's business as usual. I'm not mad. I'm just enlightened."
Putting aside for a moment whether she should have written about here experience and feelings or not. For a team that is known for personally answering every fans mail it is a little surprising that they didn't reach out to her after he initial article.
John Mara really comes off as clueless in handling the entire Brown situation from the beginning to end.
Maybe Mara and the organization wanted to give Josh Brown the benefit of the doubt when the initial story came out. Maybe they thought him a good teammate who made a mistake and was taking actions to get help. They immediately cut bait when additional facts came out about the case. I don't think the Giants needed to comment any more about the case than they did. The guy lost his job over it. Does he need to be publicly flogged by the Giants to make everyone feel better?
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Why do people think their past experiences is an issue for everybody. I was treated badly in the past Les is that somehow your issue today?
she is speaking out about domestic violence and specifically how the giants mishandled the case of a player who engaged in domestic violence. being physically assaulted is traumatic, let alone by someone you thought you loved. as the mother of a player on the team who previously suffered from domestic violence, this obviously impacts her and so her views are relevant. I have no issues with her article and outspoken stance.
She spoke about Annie Apple's experience. Her views are relevant to her job in which she has no connection to the Giants other than being a relative of one of their players. It be no different if Kim Jones wrote about Kim Jones experience at Penn State. Which would have no impact on Josh Brown's wife or the past events of that domestic violence. They aren't even married anymore.
Why do attention seeking people need to make every topic about them?
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The Giants declined to comment on Annie Apple's criticism. She said they have not contacted her to address her concerns.
"Even after my gut-wrenching column, I have yet to hear from anyone from the Giants," Annie Apple wrote. "Boy, what a great opportunity to show heart, but nope. It's business as usual. I'm not mad. I'm just enlightened."
Putting aside for a moment whether she should have written about here experience and feelings or not. For a team that is known for personally answering every fans mail it is a little surprising that they didn't reach out to her after he initial article.
John Mara really comes off as clueless in handling the entire Brown situation from the beginning to end.
Maybe Mara and the organization wanted to give Josh Brown the benefit of the doubt when the initial story came out. Maybe they thought him a good teammate who made a mistake and was taking actions to get help. They immediately cut bait when additional facts came out about the case. I don't think the Giants needed to comment any more about the case than they did. The guy lost his job over it. Does he need to be publicly flogged by the Giants to make everyone feel better?
So you don't think it would have been wise to have at least one person reach out to her after her initial article?
Nice job vetting Jerry
Nice job vetting Jerry
It never ceases to amaze me...almost every thread comes back to Reese one way or another.
Nice job vetting Jerry
This is fantastic.
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The mother of a player has more of an impact on a team than the player, you have a problem.
Nice job vetting Jerry
Since I'm pretty sure there are a few posters who actually do blame reese on this, what would you propose? That we sign a less talented player because his Mom is less of an irritant? The lengths people stoop to to crap on the GM is astounding.
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The mother of a player has more of an impact on a team than the player, you have a problem.
Nice job vetting Jerry
Since I'm pretty sure there are a few posters who actually do blame reese on this, what would you propose? That we sign a less talented player because his Mom is less of an irritant? The lengths people stoop to to crap on the GM is astounding.
This team needs to have a roster full of orphans
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The Giants declined to comment on Annie Apple's criticism. She said they have not contacted her to address her concerns.
"Even after my gut-wrenching column, I have yet to hear from anyone from the Giants," Annie Apple wrote. "Boy, what a great opportunity to show heart, but nope. It's business as usual. I'm not mad. I'm just enlightened."
Putting aside for a moment whether she should have written about here experience and feelings or not. For a team that is known for personally answering every fans mail it is a little surprising that they didn't reach out to her after he initial article.
John Mara really comes off as clueless in handling the entire Brown situation from the beginning to end.
Maybe Mara and the organization wanted to give Josh Brown the benefit of the doubt when the initial story came out. Maybe they thought him a good teammate who made a mistake and was taking actions to get help. They immediately cut bait when additional facts came out about the case. I don't think the Giants needed to comment any more about the case than they did. The guy lost his job over it. Does he need to be publicly flogged by the Giants to make everyone feel better?
So you don't think it would have been wise to have at least one person reach out to her after her initial article?
Maybe they elected Eli Apple to reach out to her and ask her if she's okay. That seems more like a family discussion to be honest. Maybe the Giants didn't want to embarrass another of their players in having a public conversation in whether his father is piece of shit.
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SickBoy : 12:24 pm : link : reply
The mother of a player has more of an impact on a team than the player, you have a problem.
Nice job vetting Jerry
Since I'm pretty sure there are a few posters who actually do blame reese on this, what would you propose? That we sign a less talented player because his Mom is less of an irritant? The lengths people stoop to to crap on the GM is astounding.
Yeah I guess Reese should have asked each mother if they have ever been abused and if so would they criticize them publicly if they would ever poorly handle employing an abuser.
Maybe they elected Eli Apple to reach out to her and ask her if she's okay. That seems more like a family discussion to be honest. Maybe the Giants didn't want to embarrass another of their players in having a public conversation in whether his father is piece of shit.
When I suggested it would have been wise to reach out to her I would assume that they would have done so privately and wouldn't have been tone deaf to the point of responding to her publicly.
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Maybe they elected Eli Apple to reach out to her and ask her if she's okay. That seems more like a family discussion to be honest. Maybe the Giants didn't want to embarrass another of their players in having a public conversation in whether his father is piece of shit.
When I suggested it would have been wise to reach out to her I would assume that they would have done so privately and wouldn't have been tone deaf to the point of responding to her publicly.
I don't see why they needed to respond to her? Should they have responded to every other blogger (which is all she is) who took the team to task for the way they handled the situation too? Or just her?
About three months into the relationship, it started. I'd come over to his apartment to see him one night. When I walked through the door, he asked where I was a couple of days prior. I couldn't understand what he was talking about or why he was so angry. Before I could even respond he hit me so hard I fell to the ground. He stood over me and began hitting me some more. His roommate came and told him to stop. But he didn't. He said one of his barbershop clients said he'd seen me walking down the street with some guy. He called me horrible names, dragged me by my shirt and threw me out of his apartment. I went to the neighbor and asked if I could use the phone. I called my girlfriend to please come and get me.
Les its a rough story, but the way she has presented it comes across as more self-serving then anything else. It obviously got well deserved attention the first time she told it, but now she seems intent about making herself the issue and not Josh Brown.
If you boil this down it basically is her thinking the Giants owed her a call to express sympathy to her. It always Me..Me..Me with this woman
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Maybe they elected Eli Apple to reach out to her and ask her if she's okay. That seems more like a family discussion to be honest. Maybe the Giants didn't want to embarrass another of their players in having a public conversation in whether his father is piece of shit.
When I suggested it would have been wise to reach out to her I would assume that they would have done so privately and wouldn't have been tone deaf to the point of responding to her publicly.
I don't see why they needed to respond to her? Should they have responded to every other blogger (which is all she is) who took the team to task for the way they handled the situation too? Or just her?
Exactly, she decided she was a bigger story than Josh Brown, and she is mad that no one else sees that
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Maybe they elected Eli Apple to reach out to her and ask her if she's okay. That seems more like a family discussion to be honest. Maybe the Giants didn't want to embarrass another of their players in having a public conversation in whether his father is piece of shit.
When I suggested it would have been wise to reach out to her I would assume that they would have done so privately and wouldn't have been tone deaf to the point of responding to her publicly.
I don't see why they needed to respond to her? Should they have responded to every other blogger (which is all she is) who took the team to task for the way they handled the situation too? Or just her?
Because of the obvious connection of employing her son.
Before retiring I employed a number of people for many years and you do get to know their families and there is a relationship there. To ignore her wasn't the wisest move.
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Maybe they elected Eli Apple to reach out to her and ask her if she's okay. That seems more like a family discussion to be honest. Maybe the Giants didn't want to embarrass another of their players in having a public conversation in whether his father is piece of shit.
When I suggested it would have been wise to reach out to her I would assume that they would have done so privately and wouldn't have been tone deaf to the point of responding to her publicly.
I don't see why they needed to respond to her? Should they have responded to every other blogger (which is all she is) who took the team to task for the way they handled the situation too? Or just her?
Exactly, she decided she was a bigger story than Josh Brown, and she is mad that no one else sees that
She does seem to crave attention and the spotlight....compared to Eli, who seems like a quiet, soft-spoken, non-boisterous kid.
Nobody hears Mrs. Tunsil blasting her sons employer
Exactly. Or an explanation. Neither of which is owed to her.
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Maybe they elected Eli Apple to reach out to her and ask her if she's okay. That seems more like a family discussion to be honest. Maybe the Giants didn't want to embarrass another of their players in having a public conversation in whether his father is piece of shit.
When I suggested it would have been wise to reach out to her I would assume that they would have done so privately and wouldn't have been tone deaf to the point of responding to her publicly.
I don't see why they needed to respond to her? Should they have responded to every other blogger (which is all she is) who took the team to task for the way they handled the situation too? Or just her?
Because of the obvious connection of employing her son.
Before retiring I employed a number of people for many years and you do get to know their families and there is a relationship there. To ignore her wasn't the wisest move.
But the employment of her son has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Josh Brown situation except that she also went through some domestic violence in HER past. That's it. What exactly is Mara, Tisch or Reese supposed to say to appease her (as if that's important)?
I cannot believe someone would interfere with their son's career in this way, in his rookie year no less. And would be so oblivious to the potential damage she is doing to her son
Especially if his teammates are teasing him about it (which I'm not saying is happening but it wouldn't surprise me if it was included beyond the typical rookie hazing).
I don't hear any other mothers of Giants' players spouting nonsense all over social media - demanding and expecting some sort of special treatment.
Listen Annie, your son is a rookie who has a chance to be a good player. How about you leave him alone to do his job? The level of self-importance is astounding.
But the employment of her son has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Josh Brown situation except that she also went through some domestic violence in HER past. That's it. What exactly is Mara, Tisch or Reese supposed to say to appease her (as if that's important)?
Handling employees, and by extension their families goes with the territory when you employ people.
Sure they aren't required to do anything, or they could display some appreciation for her concerns about them specifically and respond to her.
In my experience it is wiser to not ingnore those types of things but instead address them.
If they had reached out to her and just maybe her next article may have been how reassuring the organization was and since having spoken to them personally she believes they do get it and she now also has a better understanding of their thinking and while they made a mistake they ultimately were just trying to walk the line of supporting their employee with every benefit of the doubt and unfortunately crossed the line in their desire of doing so and have learned from the experience.
I think they missed an opportunity but your right they aren't required to do anything.
This is what I'd been thinking too.
Not sure if serious...
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But the employment of her son has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Josh Brown situation except that she also went through some domestic violence in HER past. That's it. What exactly is Mara, Tisch or Reese supposed to say to appease her (as if that's important)?
Handling employees, and by extension their families goes with the territory when you employ people.
Sure they aren't required to do anything, or they could display some appreciation for her concerns about them specifically and respond to her.
In my experience it is wiser to not ingnore those types of things but instead address them.
If they had reached out to her and just maybe her next article may have been how reassuring the organization was and since having spoken to them personally she believes they do get it and she now also has a better understanding of their thinking and while they made a mistake they ultimately were just trying to walk the line of supporting their employee with every benefit of the doubt and unfortunately crossed the line in their desire of doing so and have learned from the experience.
I think they missed an opportunity but your right they aren't required to do anything.
So should they call all of their 'employees' mothers? Or just her because she might write something bad about them again? Should they also call the mothers of non-players as well? What about Skiba? Should they call him mom too? What about the receptionist's mom?
See what I'm getting at?
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But the employment of her son has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Josh Brown situation except that she also went through some domestic violence in HER past. That's it. What exactly is Mara, Tisch or Reese supposed to say to appease her (as if that's important)?
Handling employees, and by extension their families goes with the territory when you employ people.
Sure they aren't required to do anything, or they could display some appreciation for her concerns about them specifically and respond to her.
In my experience it is wiser to not ingnore those types of things but instead address them.
If they had reached out to her and just maybe her next article may have been how reassuring the organization was and since having spoken to them personally she believes they do get it and she now also has a better understanding of their thinking and while they made a mistake they ultimately were just trying to walk the line of supporting their employee with every benefit of the doubt and unfortunately crossed the line in their desire of doing so and have learned from the experience.
I think they missed an opportunity but your right they aren't required to do anything.
So should they call all of their 'employees' mothers? Or just her because she might write something bad about them again? Should they also call the mothers of non-players as well? What about Skiba? Should they call him mom too? What about the receptionist's mom?
See what I'm getting at?
If you can't see the difference with this situation to those other examples you will never get my point.
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But the employment of her son has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Josh Brown situation except that she also went through some domestic violence in HER past. That's it. What exactly is Mara, Tisch or Reese supposed to say to appease her (as if that's important)?
Handling employees, and by extension their families goes with the territory when you employ people.
Sure they aren't required to do anything, or they could display some appreciation for her concerns about them specifically and respond to her.
In my experience it is wiser to not ingnore those types of things but instead address them.
If they had reached out to her and just maybe her next article may have been how reassuring the organization was and since having spoken to them personally she believes they do get it and she now also has a better understanding of their thinking and while they made a mistake they ultimately were just trying to walk the line of supporting their employee with every benefit of the doubt and unfortunately crossed the line in their desire of doing so and have learned from the experience.
I think they missed an opportunity but your right they aren't required to do anything.
So should they call all of their 'employees' mothers? Or just her because she might write something bad about them again? Should they also call the mothers of non-players as well? What about Skiba? Should they call him mom too? What about the receptionist's mom?
See what I'm getting at?
If you can't see the difference with this situation to those other examples you will never get my point.
I 'get' it... just don't agree with it.
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but she needs to go away and find a hobby. Leave football to her son and accept that it's an ugly business on and off the field. I'd be livid if I was her son.
Especially if his teammates are teasing him about it (which I'm not saying is happening but it wouldn't surprise me if it was included beyond the typical rookie hazing).
I 'get' it... just don't agree with it.
Well if you get the difference why ask should they call the receptionist's mom? There is no point to the question.
You can't seem to separate what you feel they should be required to do with if they were being wise how do they best respond to the situation (her article) that would be to the organization best outcome.
A lot of the responses in this thread about here are all emotional. One of the wisest pieces of advice someone taught me early in my carer which was invaluable to me throughout it is to never make a business decision based on emotions.
Regardless of how they or anyone feels about her they missed an opportunity to help themselves in not responding to her.
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But the employment of her son has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Josh Brown situation except that she also went through some domestic violence in HER past. That's it. What exactly is Mara, Tisch or Reese supposed to say to appease her (as if that's important)?
Handling employees, and by extension their families goes with the territory when you employ people.
Sure they aren't required to do anything, or they could display some appreciation for her concerns about them specifically and respond to her.
In my experience it is wiser to not ingnore those types of things but instead address them.
If they had reached out to her and just maybe her next article may have been how reassuring the organization was and since having spoken to them personally she believes they do get it and she now also has a better understanding of their thinking and while they made a mistake they ultimately were just trying to walk the line of supporting their employee with every benefit of the doubt and unfortunately crossed the line in their desire of doing so and have learned from the experience.
I think they missed an opportunity but your right they aren't required to do anything.
So should they call all of their 'employees' mothers? Or just her because she might write something bad about them again? Should they also call the mothers of non-players as well? What about Skiba? Should they call him mom too? What about the receptionist's mom?
See what I'm getting at?
If you can't see the difference with this situation to those other examples you will never get my point.
Steve, don't you think the Giants had a legit concern that she would use their call in some other way to draw attention to herself? At this point she has literally decided that her story is more important than the Josh Brown situation. Given her habit of self promotion that would have to be a serious concern
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But the employment of her son has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Josh Brown situation except that she also went through some domestic violence in HER past. That's it. What exactly is Mara, Tisch or Reese supposed to say to appease her (as if that's important)?
Handling employees, and by extension their families goes with the territory when you employ people.
Sure they aren't required to do anything, or they could display some appreciation for her concerns about them specifically and respond to her.
In my experience it is wiser to not ingnore those types of things but instead address them.
If they had reached out to her and just maybe her next article may have been how reassuring the organization was and since having spoken to them personally she believes they do get it and she now also has a better understanding of their thinking and while they made a mistake they ultimately were just trying to walk the line of supporting their employee with every benefit of the doubt and unfortunately crossed the line in their desire of doing so and have learned from the experience.
I think they missed an opportunity but your right they aren't required to do anything.
So should they call all of their 'employees' mothers? Or just her because she might write something bad about them again? Should they also call the mothers of non-players as well? What about Skiba? Should they call him mom too? What about the receptionist's mom?
See what I'm getting at?
If you can't see the difference with this situation to those other examples you will never get my point.
Steve, don't you think the Giants had a legit concern that she would use their call in some other way to draw attention to herself? At this point she has literally decided that her story is more important than the Josh Brown situation. Given her habit of self promotion that would have to be a serious concern
I think they had a large public relations crisis on their hands which could have been addressed much better than it was. Any future possible "what if" with regards to Annie Apple would likley pale in comparison to this situation.
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I 'get' it... just don't agree with it.
Well if you get the difference why ask should they call the receptionist's mom? There is no point to the question.
You can't seem to separate what you feel they should be required to do with if they were being wise how do they best respond to the situation (her article) that would be to the organization best outcome.
A lot of the responses in this thread about here are all emotional. One of the wisest pieces of advice someone taught me early in my carer which was invaluable to me throughout it is to never make a business decision based on emotions.
Regardless of how they or anyone feels about her they missed an opportunity to help themselves in not responding to her.
Help themselves how exactly and with what? Because someone wrote a mean article about them... and it happened to come from a player's mom... that means they should handle it differently than they do every other sports blogger's mean article? I'm sure Mara and Tisch are terrified about what Mrs. Apple, and what she writes in her blog, can do to their business.
You're right... there's no point to the question because there's no point in them doing what you, and her, think they should've done either. So they call her... explain themselves... and she writes a nice article about how the Giants showed 'heart' by calling her and explaining themselves. Bravo! Now what? The next time they think about signing or drafting a player they need to call her and explain their position before making the move? She might think so seeing as how they've done it before (if they do what you expect them to do)... and if they don't, she's going to write another mean article? Give me a break.
That's fine.
Personally I am all for people having the right to express themselves, but that does not mean I have to give that expression my attention if I choose not to do so.
On top of that, I disagree totally that John Mara screwed up the initial report. I find it hard to believe that he didn't have the Brown family in mind in retaining him. Cutting Brown, cuts off the income, big income, for the family. That makes the family a victim of his alleged abuse, again. That Brown may have lied about the situation is on Brown, not Mara. There were lots of kickers out there looking for work.
Does she have a problem with her son cashing checks Mara signs?
20 I agree with T-Bone. What exactly do they owe her? Nothing. As a fan, she can agree or disagree with the way they handled things and she had every right to write about her thoughts. But, her opinion has zero impact on the way they run their organization, nor should it. To a larger extent, the collective opinion of the fans can have an impact, but not her. it matters not that she is Eli's mom, that she was a victim of domestic abuse, etc. They should make decisions based on what is best for the team, the organization, etc.
20 I agree with T-Bone. What exactly do they owe her? Nothing. As a fan, she can agree or disagree with the way they handled things and she had every right to write about her thoughts. But, her opinion has zero impact on the way they run their organization, nor should it. To a larger extent, the collective opinion of the fans can have an impact, but not her. it matters not that she is Eli's mom, that she was a victim of domestic abuse, etc. They should make decisions based on what is best for the team, the organization, etc.
Your missing my point. IMO responding to her would have been in their best interest and why they would do so. Nowhere did I say they owed her anything.
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20 I agree with T-Bone. What exactly do they owe her? Nothing. As a fan, she can agree or disagree with the way they handled things and she had every right to write about her thoughts. But, her opinion has zero impact on the way they run their organization, nor should it. To a larger extent, the collective opinion of the fans can have an impact, but not her. it matters not that she is Eli's mom, that she was a victim of domestic abuse, etc. They should make decisions based on what is best for the team, the organization, etc.
Your missing my point. IMO responding to her would have been in their best interest and why they would do so. Nowhere did I say they owed her anything.
Perhaps you didn't... but she did.
But again were just see it very differently. I'm viewing it strictly as I would if I owned the team and how IMO to best react to her actions and not by how I feel about her actions.
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1) I like Eli Apple's response and approach to handling it.
20 I agree with T-Bone. What exactly do they owe her? Nothing. As a fan, she can agree or disagree with the way they handled things and she had every right to write about her thoughts. But, her opinion has zero impact on the way they run their organization, nor should it. To a larger extent, the collective opinion of the fans can have an impact, but not her. it matters not that she is Eli's mom, that she was a victim of domestic abuse, etc. They should make decisions based on what is best for the team, the organization, etc.
Your missing my point. IMO responding to her would have been in their best interest and why they would do so. Nowhere did I say they owed her anything.
Perhaps if Annie showed a little class and respect by sending a private letter to Mara and / or Tisch, then she might have gotten a response.
She chose to go after the giants through the media. How can the Giants treat her any different than Kim Jones, Paul Schwartz or any other media employee? The Giants couldn't even be assured their response would be kept private.
She seriously needs to move on and find something else to vent about.
But there is not point in discussing it further. I think they could have handled it better obviously many here feel how they handled it and the outcome was the best one available to them.
We just disagree no big deal.
But again were just see it very differently. I'm viewing it strictly as I would if I owned the team and how IMO to best react to her actions and not by how I feel about her actions.
"Who cares if she did?"? Isn't that what this is all about? Sorry steve but that response makes little sense.
And you're viewing it as if you owned the team... but of course, you don't have over 75+ years of experience running a pro sports team and dealing with the media... which is a little different, I'm sure, than whatever it was you did before retired (unless you also owned and operated a pro... or even semi-pro... team and had to deal with media relations).
And further I don't view anyone as infallible regardless of their experience, especially when they are benefited of being the 3rd generation of inheriting the position.
And further I don't view anyone as infallible regardless of their experience, especially when they are benefited of being the 3rd generation of inheriting the position.
Point taken.
Point blank, there's nothing for them to gain by calling her.
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I 'get' it... just don't agree with it.
Well if you get the difference why ask should they call the receptionist's mom? There is no point to the question.
You can't seem to separate what you feel they should be required to do with if they were being wise how do they best respond to the situation (her article) that would be to the organization best outcome.
A lot of the responses in this thread about here are all emotional. One of the wisest pieces of advice someone taught me early in my carer which was invaluable to me throughout it is to never make a business decision based on emotions.
Regardless of how they or anyone feels about her they missed an opportunity to help themselves in not responding to her.
Help themselves how exactly and with what? Because someone wrote a mean article about them... and it happened to come from a player's mom... that means they should handle it differently than they do every other sports blogger's mean article? I'm sure Mara and Tisch are terrified about what Mrs. Apple, and what she writes in her blog, can do to their business.
You're right... there's no point to the question because there's no point in them doing what you, and her, think they should've done either. So they call her... explain themselves... and she writes a nice article about how the Giants showed 'heart' by calling her and explaining themselves. Bravo! Now what? The next time they think about signing or drafting a player they need to call her and explain their position before making the move? She might think so seeing as how they've done it before (if they do what you expect them to do)... and if they don't, she's going to write another mean article? Give me a break.
Re Re Re Re Re Re. Haha
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LOL well since probably nobody here will ever have the exact same experience of anyone whose decision they ever question what would be the point of any thread on BBI about any coaching GM, or ownership decision.
And further I don't view anyone as infallible regardless of their experience, especially when they are benefited of being the 3rd generation of inheriting the position.
Point taken.
Point blank, there's nothing for them to gain by calling her.
Well we will really never know now would we. We do know however that the current outcome hasn't been ideal.
But there is not point in discussing it further. I think they could have handled it better obviously many here feel how they handled it and the outcome was the best one available to them.
We just disagree no big deal.
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LOL well since probably nobody here will ever have the exact same experience of anyone whose decision they ever question what would be the point of any thread on BBI about any coaching GM, or ownership decision.
And further I don't view anyone as infallible regardless of their experience, especially when they are benefited of being the 3rd generation of inheriting the position.
Point taken.
Point blank, there's nothing for them to gain by calling her.
Well we will really never know now would we. We do know however that the current outcome hasn't been ideal.
Them not contacting her hasn't hurt them either. If anything it appears, taking this thread as a very small sample, that if anyone is taking any hits here it's Annie Apple.
The Giants will be fine.
Eli Apple says no one from #Giants organization has leaned on him to limit in any way what his mother chooses to say/write about team.
Like this is what this kid should have to be dealing with.
Got love for you too my man. That last post was going to be my last post (at least that was the plan) on her. Been a slow day so far so it was nice to be able to carry on a convo with someone... particularly since it was someone I know I can have a decent debate with.
Hope it stops. Soon
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Eli Apple says no one from #Giants organization has leaned on him to limit in any way what his mother chooses to say/write about team.
Like this is what this kid should have to be dealing with.
That's the problem. He should be dealing with the Eagles shitty WR corp, not what his mommy may have said.
Even if it's not a team distraction, it is a personal distraction for young Eli.
I thought she was harmless. I thought it was kind of cute that she was a pseudo-celebrity who was seemingly very outspoken (but in a good way). We're way past that stage. She's becoming a legit. distraction, IMO.
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Was that anyone pointing out how she will become an issue during the season, got slammed for saying that. It bordered on the absurd how some defended her
I thought she was harmless. I thought it was kind of cute that she was a pseudo-celebrity who was seemingly very outspoken (but in a good way). We're way past that stage. She's becoming a legit. distraction, IMO.
I'm like Anakim. I don't recall if I was one of those who thought she was harmless or not but I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting this. I'd think (or should I say hope) that a mature, seemingly intelligent woman would be much more self-aware than she's been and also be more concious of how what she puts out there may affect her son and his career. She seems to only be concerned about her brand and her career, with little to no regard to her son's (which is why she has the platform she has now)... and that's pretty fucked up.
Trying to be the next Donovan McNabb's mother?
I agree with this.
I work with a black person that does this at the work place with two people one white one black with the same name and I think its a double standard and fucking racist and should not be tolerated.
Big deal. Why are you guys even caring about this.
I would teach Mommy a lesson by trading sonny boy toCleveland asap.
I would teach Mommy a lesson by trading sonny boy toCleveland asap.
Yeah! Let's trade a promising, good, talented kid even though the trade deadline has passed! That'll teach him!
I would teach Mommy a lesson by trading sonny boy toCleveland asap.
Why do you post here?
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Has accomplished nothing on the playing field and mommy is making this kind of noise already??? Another brain fart by our GM. Not only does he "reach" for potential he's willing to take on the low life baggage that's related to that pick.
I would teach Mommy a lesson by trading sonny boy toCleveland asap.
This post only cements in my mind that there are 3-5 people or dupes that either intentionally troll Reese threads or are morons of the highest calibre.
A very strange obsession.
At first it was cute, the Mom with a blog and all.
Just ... STFU and enjoy the drippings from your son's paycheck.
Annie Apple Retweeted Camden Freeman
I see you and appreciate the encouragement. I will continue to speak out on behalf of those who feel ashamed and devalued. #NeverShutUp
Nice Job Jerry
Unfortunately our guy never has thought globally when it comes to the draft.
kid who has worked his tail off , only to have his own
Mother create such a media disaster for her own personal
and financial gain ..
Who the hell is she to criticize her son's employer I mean
what does she do for a living ?
Will it create problems in the lockeroom ? Does Eli have
his head 100% into doing his job ...
I have NOTHING good to say about this woman none.
Unfortunately our guy never has thought globally when it comes to the draft.
"Never thought globally"?
WTF? Go away.
Sigh.
Followed by HOLY SHITBALLS!
Sigh.
Followed by HOLY SHITBALLS!
Get your facts straight Fatty. The two situations have nothing in common. Suggest you start thinking globally as well,
Why would you want to prove people right in their opinions of you?
Glad he put that out there.
Glad he put that out there.
This is soft. I'm sorry but the fact that he can't even talk to his mother without fear of her reaction is troubling. And signs of bigger issues with him. As noted, scouts felt he lacked 'life skills'. Now I see what they are talking about.
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does this have anything to do with Sunday's game? Nope.
Unless Annie Apple plans on forcing her son to quit football I couldn't care less what she does. let her blast the Giants. It's only a story if you want it to be.
It's newsworthy as it is potentially impacting the image and reputation of the team, even if it doesn't necessarily impact what happens on the field.
The Giants screwed up with how they handled the Josh Brown situation. They were completely tone deaf, which is what can happen when you lack gender diversity in the executive ranks.
That's fair. The Giants screwed up. OK....sooo....what next?
People are going to kill the Giants. And then the story will go away like every other story of this ilk. The Giants don't condone domestic violence. Upper MGMT stuck up for one of their own and it ended up being a bad call.
This is pointless. Some of you get worked up over everything. Annie has the right to talk shit about the Giants and how they handled this. Distraction??? Lol...sure it is...
Distractions are the most overstated element in today's sports landscape. This won't have any impact on anything other than the Mara's getting a little more heartburn this week than they likely bargained for.
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Annie Apple says the Giants leaned on Eli to silence her. Eli says the Giants haven't. PFT points that out. Annie Apple blocks PFT.
I was one of the few who agreed with you and I don't know how anyone did not see this coming.
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I was one of the few who agreed with you and I don't know how anyone did not see this coming.
Yup.
Annie Apple? Really? Get lost lady.
Did you see her video when she dropped him off for rookie camp? I had flashbacks to the first day my parents let me go to school by myself and they were hiding behind trees watching me. Her video was creepy AF.
hopefully Eli cuts the cord on her if she doesn't pipe down.
I bet she watches him have sex too and tells him who he can date.
I feel bad for Apple. He must be getting all kinds of shit in the locker room.
SI hired her, so she has a forum to speak.
I read that Eli spent about 10 minutes talking to the media
about his mother, can you say distraction!
Tunsil's mom buys his bongs I think.
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Eli Apple said he would tell his mother the Giants are not pressuring him. "That's my mom. I can't really try to come at her at all. She's going to check me, big time," he said, adding that, "I know how to talk to her a little bit. My mom and I have been going at it for a while, of course. I'm going to come correct, of course, as a child, and go from there."
I bet she watches him have sex too and tells him who he can date.
I have absolutely no issues with Eli's comments regarding his mother. No matter what comes out her mouth, that's still his mom and thus deserves to be treated with the same respect he would always treat her with. I know I'm like that with my dad. I don't care how old I get, I'm not talking to my dad any old kind of way because he's the only man on this planet I fear... still. Maybe you were raised differently Mason... and I'm not knocking it if you feel you can talk to your parents any way you like... but he has the exact same attitude I'd have if it was my dad or mom (who's no longer with us) acting like Mrs. Apple.
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Eli Apple said he would tell his mother the Giants are not pressuring him. "That's my mom. I can't really try to come at her at all. She's going to check me, big time," he said, adding that, "I know how to talk to her a little bit. My mom and I have been going at it for a while, of course. I'm going to come correct, of course, as a child, and go from there."
I bet she watches him have sex too and tells him who he can date.
I have absolutely no issues with Eli's comments regarding his mother. No matter what comes out her mouth, that's still his mom and thus deserves to be treated with the same respect he would always treat her with. I know I'm like that with my dad. I don't care how old I get, I'm not talking to my dad any old kind of way because he's the only man on this planet I fear... still. Maybe you were raised differently Mason... and I'm not knocking it if you feel you can talk to your parents any way you like... but he has the exact same attitude I'd have if it was my dad or mom (who's no longer with us) acting like Mrs. Apple.
Boneman, always a pleasure my dear friend. This thread is way too long to wade through, but I noticedyou on it a lot. Not sure why as your posts from the get-go are well reasoned ans spot on imo. What aren't people getting here, iyo?
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Eli Apple said he would tell his mother the Giants are not pressuring him. "That's my mom. I can't really try to come at her at all. She's going to check me, big time," he said, adding that, "I know how to talk to her a little bit. My mom and I have been going at it for a while, of course. I'm going to come correct, of course, as a child, and go from there."
I bet she watches him have sex too and tells him who he can date.
I have absolutely no issues with Eli's comments regarding his mother. No matter what comes out her mouth, that's still his mom and thus deserves to be treated with the same respect he would always treat her with. I know I'm like that with my dad. I don't care how old I get, I'm not talking to my dad any old kind of way because he's the only man on this planet I fear... still. Maybe you were raised differently Mason... and I'm not knocking it if you feel you can talk to your parents any way you like... but he has the exact same attitude I'd have if it was my dad or mom (who's no longer with us) acting like Mrs. Apple.
My parents would never have put me in a position that his mother put him. I was respectful of my parents but they were also respectful of me. So let me stop you right there. I'm not sure if your parents would have and I'm not knocking you there. My father is no longer with me but once I became a man he treated me as such. The same with my mother. Just based on her actions in my humble opinion Mrs. Apple doesn't appear to be very respectful of her son which apparently goes back to his days even at Ohio State if you listen to their fan base.
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Eli Apple said he would tell his mother the Giants are not pressuring him. "That's my mom. I can't really try to come at her at all. She's going to check me, big time," he said, adding that, "I know how to talk to her a little bit. My mom and I have been going at it for a while, of course. I'm going to come correct, of course, as a child, and go from there."
I bet she watches him have sex too and tells him who he can date.
I have absolutely no issues with Eli's comments regarding his mother. No matter what comes out her mouth, that's still his mom and thus deserves to be treated with the same respect he would always treat her with. I know I'm like that with my dad. I don't care how old I get, I'm not talking to my dad any old kind of way because he's the only man on this planet I fear... still. Maybe you were raised differently Mason... and I'm not knocking it if you feel you can talk to your parents any way you like... but he has the exact same attitude I'd have if it was my dad or mom (who's no longer with us) acting like Mrs. Apple.
My parents would never have put me in a position that his mother put him. I was respectful of my parents but they were also respectful of me. So let me stop you right there. I'm not sure if your parents would have and I'm not knocking you there. My father is no longer with me but once I became a man he treated me as such. The same with my mother. Just based on her actions in my humble opinion Mrs. Apple doesn't appear to be very respectful of her son which apparently goes back to his days even at Ohio State if you listen to their fan base.
I hear you and my post wasn't meant as an attack on your or your upbringing. Honestly, I'm pretty sure my dad wouldn't have behaved like Mrs. Apple but I can't say the same as my mom. She might have. And I agree with you that Mrs. Apple is showing a certain degree of disrespect towards her son... but that, IMO, doesn't mean he should be showing her any disrespect back as your post seems to imply he should. If I'm misinterpreting that my bad. You seem to be belittling him because he doesn't have this attitude of 'Yeah.. I'm gonna have to cuss my momma out and let her know I ain't playin with her!'. Which wouldn't be a wise move on his part judging by his momma. LOL
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Eli Apple said he would tell his mother the Giants are not pressuring him. "That's my mom. I can't really try to come at her at all. She's going to check me, big time," he said, adding that, "I know how to talk to her a little bit. My mom and I have been going at it for a while, of course. I'm going to come correct, of course, as a child, and go from there."
I bet she watches him have sex too and tells him who he can date.
I have absolutely no issues with Eli's comments regarding his mother. No matter what comes out her mouth, that's still his mom and thus deserves to be treated with the same respect he would always treat her with. I know I'm like that with my dad. I don't care how old I get, I'm not talking to my dad any old kind of way because he's the only man on this planet I fear... still. Maybe you were raised differently Mason... and I'm not knocking it if you feel you can talk to your parents any way you like... but he has the exact same attitude I'd have if it was my dad or mom (who's no longer with us) acting like Mrs. Apple.
Boneman, always a pleasure my dear friend. This thread is way too long to wade through, but I noticedyou on it a lot. Not sure why as your posts from the get-go are well reasoned ans spot on imo. What aren't people getting here, iyo?
Hey BB, for the most part it was just a disagreement with steve in ky in that he thinks the Giants would've been better off responding to Mrs. Apple and reaching out to her and I disagree with him on that. I don't think it would've been necessarily wrong if they had... but unlike him, I don't think they're hurting themselves by not doing so.
Yeah but you're knocking HIM for that and I don't understand why. You're basically calling him out because he's expressed some reservation about how he's going to handle this situation with his mother. In your opinion, how should he handle it?
She has successfully kept herself in the limelight at the cost of her sons attention to his job. Her continuous self-serving attitude and desire for 15 mins of fame makes her more distasteful day by day. I am willing to bet her next article will once again reference her own incidents, segue into a paragraph that has nothing to do with that theme but paints herself in a good light, while complaining about the crap she is catching from social media due to her actions
She's a Kardashian wannabe. All he needs to do is concentrate on football, which I think he's used to doing. he performs. she can be whatever glory hound she wants to be. if he misses assignments because of Momma, he'll likely have some reason to miss assignments if she's no longer vocal.
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stand up to his mom is by cussing her out then that relationship has some serious issues. The fact of the matter is that he is unsure how to deal with his own mother or even talk to her. That's not my opinion but the statement he deliver to the press. The press is now running with that statement. Mike Florio is now reporting on his relationship with his mother and why she feels the need to refer to her son as Black Eli. By his own words his mother put him in this awkward position but he has no idea how to handle it.
Yeah but you're knocking HIM for that and I don't understand why. You're basically calling him out because he's expressed some reservation about how he's going to handle this situation with his mother. In your opinion, how should he handle it?
I'm not knocking him. He is knocking himself. Once again his statement.
He sounds unsure how to handle the situation and that is part of the issue I guess in his family dynamic. He is a 21 year old man unsure how to ask his mother to not use his name in weird disagreements she has with his bosses. He also accuses her of lying on him and his employers. All of this taking place in the public. I only gave him a suggestion doing something before the situation spirals. But unfortunately for him it has spiral to a point where their relationship is now a topic for sports and news debate today.
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Sounds like you're knocking him to me. I think you're making a slightly bigger deal about his anxiety of having to discuss this issue with his mom than what it really is... but that's just my opinion and you could certainly be 100% correct in your assessments of him. But I think he's just saying that yeah, he can talk to his mom about her actions but (channeling my inner 'Trel here) at the end of the day she's still his mother and there's only so much he can say or do. She's gonna do what she's gonna do and you referring to him acknowledging that as being 'soft' and saying 'he needs to ask for his balls back' is making an unfair claim on him.
I guess what I'm saying is that you seem to be inferring that he has some kind of control or power in this relationship and that all he should have to do is have a talk to his mom about her actions and she's just supposed to say 'Oh ok... I didn't know this was bothering you so much... I'll stop.' when he seems to already know that the convo isn't going to go down like that. She isn't his girlfriend... a fan... or even his wife (and I'm sure some men would tread lightly there as well)... this is his MOTHER. Out of the obvious respect for her (whether she shows it back or not) he has, he's simply saying 'Look... I'll talk to her... but that's about all I can do.' and I don't see anything 'soft' about that.
This will probably be close to my last post on this subject because I gave it much more attention than I felt it needed yesterday and for it to continue on into today is borderline insane to me lol. I just noticed you making these kind of comments since yesterday and didn't feel like responding to them then but when you picked it back up today I just wanted to get a better understanding of where you were coming from.
This story is not just going away. She fanned the flames. This issue is no longer just about the Giants mishandling of Josh Brown but the relationship between Giants employees and their relatives. And exactly how does Eli Apple handle himself going forward. This is what happens when you make a story about yourself.
This story is not just going away. She fanned the flames. This issue is no longer just about the Giants mishandling of Josh Brown but the relationship between Giants employees and their relatives. And exactly how does Eli Apple handle himself going forward. This is what happens when you make a story about yourself.
Have no disagreement at all with this post.
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ESPN's Mike and Mike, First Take, ESPN radio and those are just her colleagues discussing her and son situation. She has been an ongoing story for Mike Florio at Pro Football, also another colleague at SI. This topic of her and son has been in major newspapers.
This story is not just going away. She fanned the flames. This issue is no longer just about the Giants mishandling of Josh Brown but the relationship between Giants employees and their relatives. And exactly how does Eli Apple handle himself going forward. This is what happens when you make a story about yourself.
Have no disagreement at all with this post.
Then how do you not see my point that this possibly a lot of this could have been avoided had they contacted her in way to better try and ensure for her to feel more positive about them?
Sorry T-Bone I don't want to re-hash it all again but if you agree the story is not going away but instead getting bigger then there was a reason to also believe that they could have at least attempted to do a better job of handling her at the beginning of this.
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In comment 13204150 Mason said:
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ESPN's Mike and Mike, First Take, ESPN radio and those are just her colleagues discussing her and son situation. She has been an ongoing story for Mike Florio at Pro Football, also another colleague at SI. This topic of her and son has been in major newspapers.
This story is not just going away. She fanned the flames. This issue is no longer just about the Giants mishandling of Josh Brown but the relationship between Giants employees and their relatives. And exactly how does Eli Apple handle himself going forward. This is what happens when you make a story about yourself.
Have no disagreement at all with this post.
Then how do you not see my point that this possibly a lot of this could have been avoided had they contacted her in way to better try and ensure for her to feel more positive about them?
Sorry T-Bone I don't want to re-hash it all again but if you agree the story is not going away but instead getting bigger then there was a reason to also believe that they could have at least attempted to do a better job of handling her at the beginning of this.
Because I don't believe that them reaching out to her would change anything... particularly if they didn't appear 'apologetic' enough for her. In fact, if they didn't, it might've gotten worse. Whether the story is getting bigger or not (and going by Mason's post I'll go with his statement that it is... I didn't watch any TV this morning, no listened to any sports talk radio so I can only go by what he says), I still don't think it would help if they tried smoothing things over with her. I don't think they should give her that kind of... 'power' (for lack of a better word)... over the way they handle their business.
maybe Eli and the Giants have been talking to her and trying to get her to shut the F up, but she either feels she needs to say it, or she needs the limelight.
Because she's a player's mom? Are they supposed to reach out to everyone's mom? Because she had a tantrum? What a precedent that would be, especially if they plan to keep Eli Apple around for a while. And, if she's independent of the Giants, and her notoriety is more than just her son, then is it purely everyone who has had a player in like circumstances who needs to reach out to her? Did she harangue the Cowboys about Greg Hardy last year? Why not? She has no ties to the Giants organization.
It's ludicrous IMO to think it's the giants fault for not reaching out to assuage the hissy fits of every random talker.