was ever a play yesterday that I didn't see 2 defenders be assigned to OBJ... Yet he put up 97 yards.. and that move to get so wide open with such small area to work with when they have 2 defenders paying attention to him.. Simply fantastic..As talented as any WR ever.. The stats prove me right on this one..
But, also the footwork and control to make the catch and get both feet in. There was no window for error once the throw was in the air. The catch had to be controlled with feet down in stride or he was out of the back of the end zone.
I had it on and he visited the crew on the field to answer questions. Was asked about the record, being in year 3, about his TD dances, and about Landon Collins' impact.
Can't remember all of the details but if you weren't convinced before that Beckham gets it mentally, then you should now.
good route runners over the years. Steve Smith and V Cruz come to mind when they were 100%. They could put a double move on the best of DB's and it was WOW. OBJ has those kind of moves but he has a totally higher gear after he makes a move and his hands are well chronicled. He is so special and hopefully a healthy Giant for years to come.
when we selected him in the draft I was ecstatic. I knew he was going to light it up and he has. Even for how high he was picked...I consider him a steal.
RE: RE: For those who would like to see it again...
including the Thriller dance at the end, which he didn't get penalized for in a shocking turn of events. OBJ TD - ( New Window )
Not shocking. It was a celebration by himself, which is allowed.
Why was Josh Norman penalized for shooting an arrow after an interception? He was by himself in that. Or was it because an arrow is considered a weapon? There just doesn't seem to be any inconsistency with those calls.
I thought he was out of bounds. I don't know why, upon replay it wasn't even close. His immediate celebration though gave me confidence that I was trippin, because he would know better than anyone whether he got his foot in
So many people wanted to crucify this guy and wouldn't give him a break. Odell is a phenomenal player.. the best one we have. He had a tough few weeks but it was a learning experience for him and he's been completely fine since. No extra curricular stuff, he let the kicking net thing go... he's just playing football now and he's back to getting in the endzone on a weekly basis like we need him to.
Don't take it for granted that we get to see this guy every week. It's such a gift. He's on a path to be one of the best ever barring injury... I still cringe sometimes with the way we send him into heavy traffic at his size, but he's a complete receiver and we use him as such...
So many people wanted to crucify this guy and wouldn't give him a break. Odell is a phenomenal player.. the best one we have. He had a tough few weeks but it was a learning experience for him and he's been completely fine since. No extra curricular stuff, he let the kicking net thing go... he's just playing football now and he's back to getting in the endzone on a weekly basis like we need him to.
No one wanted to crucify him. Just wanted him to quit the theatrics and drama and just play ball. And it seems like that's what he's done, and the result has been what seems to be less distraction/less drama.
RE: RE: RE: For those who would like to see it again...
including the Thriller dance at the end, which he didn't get penalized for in a shocking turn of events. OBJ TD - ( New Window )
Not shocking. It was a celebration by himself, which is allowed.
Why was Josh Norman penalized for shooting an arrow after an interception? He was by himself in that. Or was it because an arrow is considered a weapon? There just doesn't seem to be any inconsistency with those calls.
The NFL explained it, no weapons or threatening gestures (which is why Crabtree got called for what the refs thought was a throat slashing gesture the same weekend).
RE: RE: This place was embarrassing a few weeks ago.
So many people wanted to crucify this guy and wouldn't give him a break. Odell is a phenomenal player.. the best one we have. He had a tough few weeks but it was a learning experience for him and he's been completely fine since. No extra curricular stuff, he let the kicking net thing go... he's just playing football now and he's back to getting in the endzone on a weekly basis like we need him to.
No one wanted to crucify him. Just wanted him to quit the theatrics and drama and just play ball. And it seems like that's what he's done, and the result has been what seems to be less distraction/less drama.
Nah, not everyone felt that way. Pitchforks were out and overreactions were in full swing as usual. It was much more than that for a few posters.
Odell is a sore loser, and I don't necessarily mind that. As always there is a line, but it's also weighed against the value the player brings. The scales aren't even close really. I don't believe Odell is done with sideline meltdowns or bouts of frustration, they are just masked right now by the team playing well.... I still believe he will make an easy scapegoat for lazy thinkers the next time a rough patch hits. You know people are laying in the weeds ready to pounce. I have nothing to say to them other than they have no clue how lucky we are to have this guy
So many people wanted to crucify this guy and wouldn't give him a break. Odell is a phenomenal player.. the best one we have. He had a tough few weeks but it was a learning experience for him and he's been completely fine since. No extra curricular stuff, he let the kicking net thing go... he's just playing football now and he's back to getting in the endzone on a weekly basis like we need him to.
And it's still embarrassing in a lot of ways. People are constantly screaming about how awful McAdoo is.....and the team in 6-3 and in the driver's seat for a playoff berth.
RE: RE: This place was embarrassing a few weeks ago.
So many people wanted to crucify this guy and wouldn't give him a break. Odell is a phenomenal player.. the best one we have. He had a tough few weeks but it was a learning experience for him and he's been completely fine since. No extra curricular stuff, he let the kicking net thing go... he's just playing football now and he's back to getting in the endzone on a weekly basis like we need him to.
And it's still embarrassing in a lot of ways. People are constantly screaming about how awful McAdoo is.....and the team in 6-3 and in the driver's seat for a playoff berth.
Yep.. some people live to complain. What can you do.
critic due to his penalties and actions were hurting the team's outcome. I felt he dropped some balls that needed to be caught. I also felt his actions against Carolina were unacceptable regardless of age.
However, seeing him dominate and mature at the same time makes me happy that I was wrong about him.
Beckham is still going to do his TO thing on the sidelines
And the cameras will be there to capture any of it. But if that's the worst of it we are sitting pretty with him. He doesn't call out QBs or coaches publicly or make comments to create an offense/defense divide (which would have even been understandable last year). He is a good teammate and the fact that Coughlin maintains a text relationship with him should act as a character witness for those of you who aren't inclined to grant him that benefit of the doubt. He is just passionate because he invests in this, and that can manifest itself in some sore loser type tantrums of frustration. If people think those days are done I think they are mistaken... He hasn't had his last tantrum (I'd bet he has had his last Carolina type fiasco though). But no Giants fan should ever make the mistake of thinking the things you hate about him outweigh the things you love about him.
he made the same move earlier in the season along the sideline
He was becoming distracting.. but at the end of the day, the kid just loves to play football, he wants to win. He's a competitor. I love that about him. The most important thing was focusing that passion the right way and not letting it spill over in ways that hold him back or hold the team back. He's learning that lesson now.
Give me a kid like Odell every day of the week over a guy who mentally checks out when things don't go well and quits on his team or a guy who gets into trouble off the field. As time goes on, Odell will become a leader and one of the guys the younger players start to look to.
I had it on and he visited the crew on the field to answer questions. Was asked about the record, being in year 3, about his TD dances, and about Landon Collins' impact.
Can't remember all of the details but if you weren't convinced before that Beckham gets it mentally, then you should now.
Fantastic interview. Well spoken and intelligent guy, and you can tell he's starting to figure it out.
The sideline stuff is just a non story. Players are pissed off all the time. Really in the Redskin game, there were no issues - Richburg was the issue. The call in Min was a BS call. The refs on the sideline did not throw a flag and saw no issue. The flag came from 30 yards away.
that he has, that not a lot of players have, is a second gear. Once he's gets in the open field, he almost never gets caught. His second gear helps him beat guys who have an angle on him which in itself is amazing.
His small area space quickness is very difficult for defenders to defend so it leaves them exposed to big plays once they are off balance. This happens repeatedly in every game.
As someone who grew up with the mid 90s Giants offenses,
I never ever thought we'd ever get a WR of his caliber. Toomer was very good. Plax was very good, sometimes great, but his run here was short. But to have a receiver like Beckham is just awhole other level. Never thought we'd get an offensive player like him. I'm loving it.
But, also the footwork and control to make the catch and get both feet in. There was no window for error once the throw was in the air. The catch had to be controlled with feet down in stride or he was out of the back of the end zone.
I'd like to echo Matt's comment, esp. the footwork, it was balletic. He made his initial move right, curled in, hesitated, and completed a near 360 degree spin to leave Jones (?) flatfooted.
That move, the receiver's back to the defender, in which he spins away from where he was is often tough to defend, but usually by a much bigger receiver who uses his body to shield, like a soccer player making the turn. OBJ is slight of build in comparison.
I actually thought his 2nd foot down was dicey also, could have been planted sooner, but Odell knew exactly where he was on the field, which is another part of his gifts as a receiver.
OBJ pulled the same move against the Ravens for his first 75 yard TD in that game. Will make DBs cautious about jumping his routes. now you dont - ( New Window )
But, also the footwork and control to make the catch and get both feet in. There was no window for error once the throw was in the air. The catch had to be controlled with feet down in stride or he was out of the back of the end zone.
I'd like to echo Matt's comment, esp. the footwork, it was balletic. He made his initial move right, curled in, hesitated, and completed a near 360 degree spin to leave Jones (?) flatfooted.
That move, the receiver's back to the defender, in which he spins away from where he was is often tough to defend, but usually by a much bigger receiver who uses his body to shield, like a soccer player making the turn. OBJ is slight of build in comparison.
When I watched that play I imagined OBJ playing striker for the US National Team. Can you imagine trying to mark him? His movements are so incredibly fluid and quick, it's hard to believe someone can actually move like that. The replays tend to slow it down but if you show it at full speed it's even more jaw dropping.
So many people wanted to crucify this guy and wouldn't give him a break. Odell is a phenomenal player.. the best one we have. He had a tough few weeks but it was a learning experience for him and he's been completely fine since. No extra curricular stuff, he let the kicking net thing go... he's just playing football now and he's back to getting in the endzone on a weekly basis like we need him to.
Like I said then...it's all a bunch of noise unless it happens on the field of play. Wow he took a penalty...the horror.
Fans get worked up over noise. The guy says something in a PC or humps the net on the sidelines and they go fucking nuts about it. It means nothing.
RE: As someone who grew up with the mid 90s Giants offenses,
I never ever thought we'd ever get a WR of his caliber. Toomer was very good. Plax was very good, sometimes great, but his run here was short. But to have a receiver like Beckham is just awhole other level. Never thought we'd get an offensive player like him. I'm loving it.
Nicks, Manningham, Cruz? Not that any of these 3 guys can do what Beckham does or are close to his athleticism, but, each had a fairly similar set of skills and the ability to turn a catch into a TD.
It's hard to convince some people that wide receiver is primarily
OBJ pulled the same move against the Ravens for his first 75 yard TD in that game. Will make DBs cautious about jumping his routes. now you dont - ( New Window )
yes, pulling up from his move, making his button hook turn (better term used by someone above), then sliding his feet, before the 360...it's what called the other footie to mind. The way OBJ can punt and play tricks, his feet are talented too!
RE: RE: For those who would like to see it again...
Not shocking. It was a celebration by himself, which is allowed.
It's interesting to watch the response of the other Giants in this clip. Beckham is doing his "Thiller" thing by himself in the out of bounds while Tavarres King wouldn't even cross out of the end zone. He just stood and watched. Shepherd was in the area as well and he didn't do anything either. In fact, nobody got close to Beckham until Bobby Hart came over for a very subdued high five.
This is smart and has probably been a point of emphasis for the coaching staff
that Odell is an artist. In addition to his obvious skills, I think he's just a genius at his craft, particularly route running. It's amazing how many times inside the 10 or 20 yard line that he's able to get himself wide open in the end zone. Very rare to see plays in that area of the field where a WR just leaves defensive backs in the dust, given the tight spaces in which everyone's operating.
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Can't remember all of the details but if you weren't convinced before that Beckham gets it mentally, then you should now.
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including the Thriller dance at the end, which he didn't get penalized for in a shocking turn of events. OBJ TD - ( New Window )
Not shocking. It was a celebration by himself, which is allowed.
Why was Josh Norman penalized for shooting an arrow after an interception? He was by himself in that. Or was it because an arrow is considered a weapon? There just doesn't seem to be any inconsistency with those calls.
No one wanted to crucify him. Just wanted him to quit the theatrics and drama and just play ball. And it seems like that's what he's done, and the result has been what seems to be less distraction/less drama.
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including the Thriller dance at the end, which he didn't get penalized for in a shocking turn of events. OBJ TD - ( New Window )
Not shocking. It was a celebration by himself, which is allowed.
Why was Josh Norman penalized for shooting an arrow after an interception? He was by himself in that. Or was it because an arrow is considered a weapon? There just doesn't seem to be any inconsistency with those calls.
The NFL explained it, no weapons or threatening gestures (which is why Crabtree got called for what the refs thought was a throat slashing gesture the same weekend).
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So many people wanted to crucify this guy and wouldn't give him a break. Odell is a phenomenal player.. the best one we have. He had a tough few weeks but it was a learning experience for him and he's been completely fine since. No extra curricular stuff, he let the kicking net thing go... he's just playing football now and he's back to getting in the endzone on a weekly basis like we need him to.
No one wanted to crucify him. Just wanted him to quit the theatrics and drama and just play ball. And it seems like that's what he's done, and the result has been what seems to be less distraction/less drama.
Nah, not everyone felt that way. Pitchforks were out and overreactions were in full swing as usual. It was much more than that for a few posters.
And it's still embarrassing in a lot of ways. People are constantly screaming about how awful McAdoo is.....and the team in 6-3 and in the driver's seat for a playoff berth.
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So many people wanted to crucify this guy and wouldn't give him a break. Odell is a phenomenal player.. the best one we have. He had a tough few weeks but it was a learning experience for him and he's been completely fine since. No extra curricular stuff, he let the kicking net thing go... he's just playing football now and he's back to getting in the endzone on a weekly basis like we need him to.
And it's still embarrassing in a lot of ways. People are constantly screaming about how awful McAdoo is.....and the team in 6-3 and in the driver's seat for a playoff berth.
Yep.. some people live to complain. What can you do.
However, seeing him dominate and mature at the same time makes me happy that I was wrong about him.
Give me a kid like Odell every day of the week over a guy who mentally checks out when things don't go well and quits on his team or a guy who gets into trouble off the field. As time goes on, Odell will become a leader and one of the guys the younger players start to look to.
Can't remember all of the details but if you weren't convinced before that Beckham gets it mentally, then you should now.
Fantastic interview. Well spoken and intelligent guy, and you can tell he's starting to figure it out.
The sideline stuff is just a non story. Players are pissed off all the time. Really in the Redskin game, there were no issues - Richburg was the issue. The call in Min was a BS call. The refs on the sideline did not throw a flag and saw no issue. The flag came from 30 yards away.
His small area space quickness is very difficult for defenders to defend so it leaves them exposed to big plays once they are off balance. This happens repeatedly in every game.
That move, the receiver's back to the defender, in which he spins away from where he was is often tough to defend, but usually by a much bigger receiver who uses his body to shield, like a soccer player making the turn. OBJ is slight of build in comparison.
I actually thought his 2nd foot down was dicey also, could have been planted sooner, but Odell knew exactly where he was on the field, which is another part of his gifts as a receiver.
OBJ pulled the same move against the Ravens for his first 75 yard TD in that game. Will make DBs cautious about jumping his routes.
now you dont - ( New Window )
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But, also the footwork and control to make the catch and get both feet in. There was no window for error once the throw was in the air. The catch had to be controlled with feet down in stride or he was out of the back of the end zone.
I'd like to echo Matt's comment, esp. the footwork, it was balletic. He made his initial move right, curled in, hesitated, and completed a near 360 degree spin to leave Jones (?) flatfooted.
That move, the receiver's back to the defender, in which he spins away from where he was is often tough to defend, but usually by a much bigger receiver who uses his body to shield, like a soccer player making the turn. OBJ is slight of build in comparison.
When I watched that play I imagined OBJ playing striker for the US National Team. Can you imagine trying to mark him? His movements are so incredibly fluid and quick, it's hard to believe someone can actually move like that. The replays tend to slow it down but if you show it at full speed it's even more jaw dropping.
Like I said then...it's all a bunch of noise unless it happens on the field of play. Wow he took a penalty...the horror.
Fans get worked up over noise. The guy says something in a PC or humps the net on the sidelines and they go fucking nuts about it. It means nothing.
Nicks, Manningham, Cruz? Not that any of these 3 guys can do what Beckham does or are close to his athleticism, but, each had a fairly similar set of skills and the ability to turn a catch into a TD.
OBJ pulled the same move against the Ravens for his first 75 yard TD in that game. Will make DBs cautious about jumping his routes. now you dont - ( New Window )
Thanks, that was great.
It's interesting to watch the response of the other Giants in this clip. Beckham is doing his "Thiller" thing by himself in the out of bounds while Tavarres King wouldn't even cross out of the end zone. He just stood and watched. Shepherd was in the area as well and he didn't do anything either. In fact, nobody got close to Beckham until Bobby Hart came over for a very subdued high five.
This is smart and has probably been a point of emphasis for the coaching staff
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