I believe this team is coming together quite nicely and has the talent especially if the some of the young guys continue to develop to make some noise.
We've beaten our NFC east rivals (save the Skins who we should have beaten) and we are not close to clicking on all cylinders yet especially offensively.
I will go as far as to say I believe this team will come together and have a great run somewhat like our 2007 and 2011 seasons and WIN the Superbowl!
The prophecy will come true!
If they find a consistent running game, they can be a threat. Otherwise, no.
Did you mean "handly"?
Oh, never mind...
1. Improved offensive line
2. Improved pass rush
3. Eli catches on fire
Any one of those occurring would be enough. With that said, if the Giants make the playoffs, they are contenders.
1. Improved offensive line
2. Improved pass rush
3. Eli catches on fire
Any one of those occurring would be enough. With that said, if the Giants make the playoffs, they are contenders.
Note, did not mean catches on fire in the literal sense.
2. OBJ
3. Defense plays well, the Giants could win a lot of games
And perhaps most importantly, we are fairly healthy save for Pugh (knock on wood).
We do need some blowouts though so we can get JPP and Vernon some rest. They've played a ridiculous number of snaps this year, especially for DL (I believe both are over 95%).
...and a Defensive Unit that is high end, but this team ain't going to the Super Bowl. Period. They are not that close.
True. We're not Russell Wilson vs the Packers (2014 NFCCG) here
This is my overall sentiment as well. Over the last decade we have all had an idea what we "wanted" from certain parts of the team and it all went out the window when winter came.
Now there are major differences. As much as I like this defense it's hard to compare it to the days of the "NASCAR" package, which obliterated offensive lines on every play.
Biggest of all, Eli is completely different. This offense can't reach the high power levels the 2011 team did. While we do have a game changer in Odell, it's a disservice to compare the players we had on that team- Nicks, prime Cruz, Snee, Bradshaw, etc.
I saw this season as a stepping stone and its about what I expected (although I believed the offense would be at least as good as last year). If we can develop a running game by next season I can't see why this team isn't going to be a contender.
TE's are at least marginally better with Donnell on the bench and have some untapped upside with Adams. At least Tye has the speed to get down the seam and no tumble onto his head after making a catch.
The running game is definitely a concern when the weather gets worse.
If Dallas is the best team the NFL has to offer this year, then I'd say every team this side of the Chicago Bears is capable of contending.
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Won't win a single playoff game doing that...
True. We're not Russell Wilson vs the Packers (2014 NFCCG) here
I'll say this though, if the Giants do win it then Eli Manning goes into the Ring of Honor in February...
Because DEFENSE wins championships.
No D? No shot.
If the OL can improve a bit, if the team stays healthy, the defense has already shown they've got what it takes.
Just get Eli to the playoffs. He'll do the rest. :)
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Won't win a single playoff game doing that...
True. We're not Russell Wilson vs the Packers (2014 NFCCG) here
I'll say this though, if the Giants do win it then Eli Manning goes into the Ring of Honor in February...
He better not retire!!
however, I don't think it's just contend I believe they will WIN the SuperBowl.
I think a lot depends on the matchup. Against Dallas I like our chances, against Seattle I do not. I'm also concerned about the last two regular season games, in Philly and Washington. The offensive line scares me in those games.
Team feels like it's a year away, but that doesn't mean it can't do it this year. 2008 was a better team than 2007, and both 2010 and 2012 were better than 2011.
So yeah, it can be done.
ASS others have said, just get into the playoffs.
With this quarterback, this talent at certain spots, the potential of this defense to get healthy and gel ... you never know.
They could have a shot if things fall into place. But that's a long way off.
As for the line, well, there's the rub. They might improve to the level of the 2011 line, which was horrible, but pulled its collective head out of its ass in January. The Giants have just won two games without the guy who's supposedly their best offensive lineman. So maybe there's hope there too. And if the running game gets going, Eli won't need to force as many balls into tight spots.
In short, I think the 2016 Giants are a middling team with some upside, whose ceiling is around the level where you win a wild card game and then go quietly in the divisional round. As others have said, there's no longer a lot of difference between those teams and the ones who end up in the Super Bowl. And I think Dallas has just as many weaknesses. Their strengths are just stronger.
One other thing, though: I sure hope that underthrown ball to King was just one bad pass. If Eli has really lost that much arm strength, DCs will take advantage of it. The ball Lewis dropped gives me hope: that was a gorgeous throw, almost Manning-to-Manninghamlike.
They can beat anyone....or lose to anyone at this point. Stay healthy and keep getting better.
So in a league where almost any team can get hot at the right time and make a run at it why not the Giants?
Will it happen who knows but is it possible, yes.
1. Eliminate the turnovers
2. Eliminate big returns and miscues on ST.
The defense is only giving up about 20 points a game, and that would be lower if they didn't have to start in a bad spot because of a turnover or big return.
Offensively, there's a lot of room for improvement. Hopefully as the season goes on the line will gel a bit, especially once Pugh returns.
Seattle
Atlanta
Green Bay
Giants
Washington
Maybe seattle, but none of those teams are that much better. Every team has serious issues and aren't unbeatable. The point is to go to the dance.
With our DEs coming off their best game, a very, very good secondary. Eli and OBJ? I'll take my chances against anyone.
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This OL, RBs, and TEs winning a SB? Young team, young head coach, all learning what it takes to win in the NFL. We're a good year away from hopefully resolving those issues.
I basically agree, though I could imagine Jerrell Adams contributing at a 2007 Kevin Boss / 2011 Jake Ballard level as he gains confidence. Vereen's return should upgrade the RB rotation and improve 3rd down efficiency.
As for the line, well, there's the rub. They might improve to the level of the 2011 line, which was horrible, but pulled its collective head out of its ass in January. The Giants have just won two games without the guy who's supposedly their best offensive lineman. So maybe there's hope there too. And if the running game gets going, Eli won't need to force as many balls into tight spots.
In short, I think the 2016 Giants are a middling team with some upside, whose ceiling is around the level where you win a wild card game and then go quietly in the divisional round. As others have said, there's no longer a lot of difference between those teams and the ones who end up in the Super Bowl. And I think Dallas has just as many weaknesses. Their strengths are just stronger.
One other thing, though: I sure hope that underthrown ball to King was just one bad pass. If Eli has really lost that much arm strength, DCs will take advantage of it. The ball Lewis dropped gives me hope: that was a gorgeous throw, almost Manning-to-Manninghamlike.
I'd be interested to see video of the ball to King in the air. Eli was throwing ducks last night any time the throw wasn't in rhythm. His mechanics were a mess.
Seattle
Atlanta
Green Bay
Giants
Washington
Maybe seattle, but none of those teams are that much better. Every team has serious issues and aren't unbeatable. The point is to go to the dance.
With our DEs coming off their best game, a very, very good secondary. Eli and OBJ? I'll take my chances against anyone.
Arizona could be dangerous if they rally to make the playoffs. Excellent D and Fitzgerald + Johnson (best RB in football) on offense. If their K didn't suck, they'd be in first over Seattle.
Eventually, Adams will be exposed at FS, for what he is.....the linebackers, make a play here and there, but not enough.....the pass rush/pressures and run defense have masked these faults......we have Jenkins and DRC and Collins back there, playing great ball.... but Apple has fallen off the branch.....and guys like Wade are just one play from a td....
This offense can't handle a pass rush.....and if the other team gets a big lead, the dogs will be unleashed.....
This team is good enough to make the playoffs.....maybe a wild card win at home......the pieces are not all there yet.....Guys like SS and Perkins and Jerell Adams will hopefully take that next step, next year, like Collins did.....
If the defense can keep games close, there is always a chance in the fourth with Eli....this team has 8 more games to improve on....how much they improve will determine how far they go.....this team still makes mistakes, one week it's the offense and turnovers, the next it may be ST's, and so on.....After after three straight losing seasons, this team has to learn how to win again, when it really counts....
I think a lot depends on the matchup. Against Dallas I like our chances, against Seattle I do not. I'm also concerned about the last two regular season games, in Philly and Washington. The offensive line scares me in those games.
Team feels like it's a year away, but that doesn't mean it can't do it this year. 2008 was a better team than 2007, and both 2010 and 2012 were better than 2011.
So yeah, it can be done.
Agree with this entire post.
Attack the post, my friend. Love the poster... and all of his previous personas. ;o)
That being said, next season could be the year. If we fix the running game/oline next year, we will compete, IMO.
From a strictly physical standpoint, it was a little better than I initially thought. After he stepped up to avoid Atkins, Eli got pressure on his left from Peko. So, although he was moving forward into the throw, he didn't have his feet well set. The ball traveled close to 55 yards on a line, and the window was tiny because King didn't have the step I thought he did.
It was a bad throw - too short and too close to the center of the field, giving Iloka a better play on the ball than King - but mostly, it was a horrible decision. The only way to complete that pass was to gun it 60 yards on the run, over the top of Adam Jones, and hope for a great catch by a receiver with a career total of 19 yards.
This team can't pass block or run block and the players stink. I don't see that changing.
I remember it being pretty good (IIRC). Snee, Mckenzie, baas and boothe were all solid. Diehl really declined but they used him as a swing tackle and he filled that role nicely.
And also, how many defenses in the last decade were as good as the niners peak? Seattle and Denver? That was the greatest LB corps I've seen since I've watched football. They had 4 All pro LBers (pretty sure their backup LB could've been a pro bowler as well). Also had prime Goldson and Justin Smith. 6 total all pros on the defense and other solid DBs and Dline as well.
Not that it couldn't happen, but this team is a long way from thinking about things like that.
This OL can't run or pass block.
They have been getting better, so that would have to continue and we would have to see significant improvement for them to be legit contenders.
I'm thrilled that this team is 6-3 right now, though. There's a very real chance to get to 8-3 if we can beat two inferior opponents. Just gotta take it week by week.
If they find a consistent running game, they can be a threat. Otherwise, no.
No, right now I do not believe they are a contender for the SB
O-line doesn't get more consistant we could still get to
the playoffs but I doubt much further ...
If they come together and get the run game back to respectability then Yes with this Defense and some luck
on the injury front we can make some noise ..
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Opponents handedly I will be fairly convinced.
Did you mean "handly"?
Oh, never mind...
Did you mean handily?
No, right now I do not believe they are a contender for the SB
They were outscored for the entire 2011 season.
Outside Seattle (in Seattle) I don't know if there is a team in the NFC against whom they'd be a clear underdog. You may remember people felt that way about New Orleans in 2011.
Would you really be worried about going to Detroit, Green Bay, or Atlanta? I wouldn't.
the problem is the OL/Running game and short passing game now veeren is out and they dont have boss or ballad anymore its larry donnell who goes for extra yards when he has enough and gets flipped on his head risking a fumble but goes down all too easily when he hasnt made the first down marker
the OL was a strength of the 2007 team and its the weak link on this one they have done better than i anticipated going in to the season if they can come together they could do it again but just getting out the division into the playoffs is no gimme with the cowboys running away with the division like they are
Dallas hasn't been all that healthy, and suspensions have depleted them further. A lot of presumed starters - Romo, Collins, Bryant, Church, Scandrick, Claiborne, and Lawrence, plus key reserves like McFadden, Hanna and Dunbar - have missed substantial time with injuries, and two defensive starters have been suspended all season.
The Cowboys aren't so much healthy as deep - or at least, constructed to survive injuries by controlling the clock. Personally, though, I'm looking forward to the next injury on their offensive line. With Leary in reserve, losing Collins wasn't such a big deal. But now that line is pretty thin, especially until Chaz Green is 100%.
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This OL, RBs, and TEs winning a SB? Young team, young head coach, all learning what it takes to win in the NFL. We're a good year away from hopefully resolving those issues.
I basically agree, though I could imagine Jerrell Adams contributing at a 2007 Kevin Boss / 2011 Jake Ballard level as he gains confidence. Vereen's return should upgrade the RB rotation and improve 3rd down efficiency.
As for the line, well, there's the rub. They might improve to the level of the 2011 line, which was horrible, but pulled its collective head out of its ass in January. The Giants have just won two games without the guy who's supposedly their best offensive lineman. So maybe there's hope there too. And if the running game gets going, Eli won't need to force as many balls into tight spots.
In short, I think the 2016 Giants are a middling team with some upside, whose ceiling is around the level where you win a wild card game and then go quietly in the divisional round. As others have said, there's no longer a lot of difference between those teams and the ones who end up in the Super Bowl. And I think Dallas has just as many weaknesses. Their strengths are just stronger.
One other thing, though: I sure hope that underthrown ball to King was just one bad pass. If Eli has really lost that much arm strength, DCs will take advantage of it. The ball Lewis dropped gives me hope: that was a gorgeous throw, almost Manning-to-Manninghamlike.
Eli's 35 with fewer weapons around him on offense. Eli had three wideouts who could kill you, and threats at TE, not to mention two tailbacks who could take games over. For me, that drops the expectations meter a bit when you add in the difficulties they've had running the football, defeating basic Cover shell looks, etc.
The good news is they're clearly improving, the discipline and mental errors, physical errors, and results on gameday are slowly visibly improving.
The biggest difference may very well be Eli as 2011 was his finest and he is not playing at that level this season...
Having said that I still believe Eli can win another one and this team could do it. Far from perfect but the defense is really good and we have Beckham. That's a lot. Enough to win the NFC.