With Cruz out and Lewis struggling, we probably would have seen more of Harris if he had remained healthy. His basic problem is that he's the fourth-best slot receiver on a team with too many slot receivers and too few outside threats.
He's the best blocker among the WRs, which gets him on the field at times. Of course, they have to be careful about telegraphing play calls by inserting him to block.
who is strictly a return man. This year he's been bad at that too. Bad contract.
Not fair to say. Our special teams have been much improved over the last two seasons and in large part due to Dwayne Harris not to mention he stepped up and played a lot of WR for us in the slot(last year) and was better than expected. With that said he is struggling this season and I think he's been paid his guaranteed money already so I don't think it was a bad contract at all. Plus we stole him from a rival.
dwayne harris is a damn good returner and reliable. Hes had a down year and the fumble in minny but hes a good player and a very capable backup WR. Not to mention hes also our best gunner. Notice that he was off the field when the bengals had their 2 big returns
With Cruz out and Lewis struggling, we probably would have seen more of Harris if he had remained healthy. His basic problem is that he's the fourth-best slot receiver on a team with too many slot receivers and too few outside threats.
He's the best blocker among the WRs, which gets him on the field at times. Of course, they have to be careful about telegraphing play calls by inserting him to block.
Agreed. But I'm not nearly as convinced as others that we should cut him. Wait until the end of the year.
he said it was with the understanding that he would be a part of the offense. Last year he played quite a bit WR, but not this year. If he's healthy he should play before Lewis or King. He's not exactly a star, but he's not totally lousy either. Not playing him at WR so he'll be fresh as a returner is a stupid way of thinking, especially since KOs don't get returned very often.
All that said, I don't think he's healthy right now.
which for a special teams player means a lot.. Overall we went from ST being a huge liability to a huge asset and actually winning the game for us last year against dallas..
His KO return numbers are almost identical to last year. His punt return numbers are down ... watch the punts he fields - almost everything is by the sidelines. Teams are not giving him space.
If they needed him as a WR they could use him in a pinch to make the tough over the middle catches. Plus he plays coverage specials
He covers 3 positions and you got him away from a division rival
Looks better on returns than Harris does. Rainey is a fraction of the cost. Harris is not money well spent. When Devin Hester in his prime was on the field you kicked it away as often as possible. Harris is making insane money and I don't think he is even close to the threat Hester was. K, moron.
He's been a solid player over the length of his contract.
Number one return man...solid on specials...and was the fifth leading receiver(third counting just wide outs)last year.
Hard working, seems to be popular with the coaches and his teammates...seems like a weird player to try and crap on just because he's having a down year and dealing with a few injuries.
Oh, and blaming a player for getting paid is lame...
Everyone is still trying to get the feel for KIck returns with new rules. He is a very good Punt returner. Reliable even though he will take some chances. Rainey may be a better KR but hard to trust him. We may find out who is better this week.
Hell Yes.. But our late round picks have sucked so bad for so long that the only option for having a decent ST was to sign one of the best ST players in the league.. If you consider all aspects of the ST (return, coverage and tackling) he was as good as anyone in the league when we signed him.. Plus he can be 3rd - 4th WR for a team..
So to put it in perspective, if you cannot find someone cheap from the drafts to do all the dirty work on ST then I'd rather pay someone $4 mil per year rather than see 2014 ST again..
Looks better on returns than Harris does. Rainey is a fraction of the cost. Harris is not money well spent. When Devin Hester in his prime was on the field you kicked it away as often as possible. Harris is making insane money and I don't think he is even close to the threat Hester was. K, moron.
You are basing that on ONE game
Guess you are too stupid to realize his contributions on both punt and kick coverage
Did you not see his 2 returns last year for TD's?
Do you realize that teams are punting to the boundaries on him and that our blocking would n the gunners hasn't been very good either?
for signing him he immediately became out best KR/PR guy .
Our best gunner and he did get a number of snaps as the 4th WR
.Go back like 8 years and look where our special teams
have ranked out side of the Punting and Licking we have
been for the most part bottom feeders and let alone have
a pro bowl type player unless you want to count the Long
snapper .
This year he has fallen off a bit and as of lately he
hasn't been as impactful this year . He could be banged up
but take a look at ay anyone back there fielding a punt
or Kick Off your better off taking a Knee or fair catch .
Our special teams are still bad . I still feel Quinn is a
big part of that problem .
Looks better on returns than Harris does. Rainey is a fraction of the cost. Harris is not money well spent. When Devin Hester in his prime was on the field you kicked it away as often as possible. Harris is making insane money and I don't think he is even close to the threat Hester was. K, moron.
You are basing that on ONE game
Guess you are too stupid to realize his contributions on both punt and kick coverage
Did you not see his 2 returns last year for TD's?
Do you realize that teams are punting to the boundaries on him and that our blocking would n the gunners hasn't been very good either?
You're a bigger dipshit than I originally thought
Really bud. You gonna talk all that mess like you know everything and I don't. fuck off
Looks better on returns than Harris does. Rainey is a fraction of the cost. Harris is not money well spent. When Devin Hester in his prime was on the field you kicked it away as often as possible. Harris is making insane money and I don't think he is even close to the threat Hester was. K, moron.
You are basing that on ONE game
Guess you are too stupid to realize his contributions on both punt and kick coverage
Did you not see his 2 returns last year for TD's?
Do you realize that teams are punting to the boundaries on him and that our blocking would n the gunners hasn't been very good either?
You're a bigger dipshit than I originally thought
Really bud. You gonna talk all that mess like you know everything and I don't. fuck off
You don't as proved by myself and others who have chimed in.
Looks better on returns than Harris does. Rainey is a fraction of the cost. Harris is not money well spent. When Devin Hester in his prime was on the field you kicked it away as often as possible. Harris is making insane money and I don't think he is even close to the threat Hester was. K, moron.
You are basing that on ONE game
Guess you are too stupid to realize his contributions on both punt and kick coverage
Did you not see his 2 returns last year for TD's?
Do you realize that teams are punting to the boundaries on him and that our blocking would n the gunners hasn't been very good either?
You're a bigger dipshit than I originally thought
Really bud. You gonna talk all that mess like you know everything and I don't. fuck off
You don't as proved by myself and others who have chimed in.
dwayne harris is a damn good returner and reliable. Hes had a down year and the fumble in minny but hes a good player and a very capable backup WR. Not to mention hes also our best gunner. Notice that he was off the field when the bengals had their 2 big returns
Good point about Harris being the Giants' best gunner, and also good to point out that he was not on the field during the Bengals' big returns. Harris is valuable from that standpoint alone.
Well, this thread just about sums up the current state of the Board
People who think by proving they can be critical of Giants players who think they are proving their sagacity, while not stating a single fact. If you think we overpaid and want to prove you're a smart football analyst, perhaps you'd point out a similar player who plays well on all four specials who was signed for a lot less? And if you want to call someone a moron, perhaps a fact or two to disprove their opinion.
Harris is not having as good a return year as last season
and punters are clearly kicking down the sidelines more this season to him as well. That was also a big fumble in the Viking game right out of the box. Do not know if he has been gunner for all these big returns against us in the last few weeks, but maybe?
He also had to long TDs on returns last year and not a sniff of one this season. As a result. I think all that has frustrated him a bit causing him to "press" a bit and bring out kicks that he needs to kneel down on, etc.
With all that said, production out of returns are not linear and he is still our best resource in that Dept for this season. But I would think he has got to be considered for a future cut b/c of the money he makes and that KO Returns have become basically a waste of time with rule changes.
RE: Harris is not having as good a return year as last season
and punters are clearly kicking down the sidelines more this season to him as well. That was also a big fumble in the Viking game right out of the box. Do not know if he has been gunner for all these big returns against us in the last few weeks, but maybe?
He also had to long TDs on returns last year and not a sniff of one this season. As a result. I think all that has frustrated him a bit causing him to "press" a bit and bring out kicks that he needs to kneel down on, etc.
With all that said, production out of returns are not linear and he is still our best resource in that Dept for this season. But I would think he has got to be considered for a future cut b/c of the money he makes and that KO Returns have become basically a waste of time with rule changes.
I would restructure first before i cut a guy like this.
Being a return guy is a strange position, from what I can tell.
In part, the guy is a gambler. He's picking and choosing plays to take chances on. Obviously, with any gamble, there's a chance it doesn't pan out. Last week, two gambles on kick returns didn't pan out. He also gambled on a punt going into the endzone that didn't pan out. I though he was right to gamble on those plays.
The blocking on the kicks was horrible. It looked like he wasn't blocked for, at all. I'd expect our return blocking to have been a fixture in specials practice after those bad plays, by the entire unit.
The punt that he chose not to fair catch or return, bounced down into the ten and the specials guys on the Bengals made the play. It was a perfect punt. Between fair catching inside the ten and letting it go, he chose wisely imv. The fact is, the specials play on the Bengals is really good. Their punter is one of the best in the league for putting teams deep on their side of the field.
Harris has been fine. No big mistakes. He's had one fumble this year and one recovery. I don't see how anyone can say he's been a liability. If he has one highlight return on both kicks and punts, he'll be back as a top tier return guy. Those are 1-2 a year plays anyway. We have a guy who takes the chances, doesn't make many mistakes, and can capitalize on the gamble.
Not to mention his blocking and gunner abilities, which are tops on the team for wide receiver and specials coverage guy, respectively...
with all the time he spent at WR! I don't think much of him at WR, even before he arrived here.
He seems slower when returning kicks too. It's almost like he takes a second to gather himself.
They gave him 7 Mill. in guaranteed money too.
I also thought they overpaid for a ST's player.
He was forced to play last year due to depth, but with Cruz, Shepard and Lewis he's not needed at WR.
Which is a good thing.
He's the best blocker among the WRs, which gets him on the field at times. Of course, they have to be careful about telegraphing play calls by inserting him to block.
Not fair to say. Our special teams have been much improved over the last two seasons and in large part due to Dwayne Harris not to mention he stepped up and played a lot of WR for us in the slot(last year) and was better than expected. With that said he is struggling this season and I think he's been paid his guaranteed money already so I don't think it was a bad contract at all. Plus we stole him from a rival.
every time Rainey touches the ball I'm in fear of the fumble, but he's shown more explosiveness and elusiveness than Harris
Hurt his toe and bad timing too since Rainey had 2 very returnable balls after harris went out.
He's the best blocker among the WRs, which gets him on the field at times. Of course, they have to be careful about telegraphing play calls by inserting him to block.
Agreed. But I'm not nearly as convinced as others that we should cut him. Wait until the end of the year.
He has great hands though, catches everything. Just can't break a return for anything
...after Manning and OBJ on that remarkably shitty 2015 team, Dwayne Harris may have been our third best player.
It is like some people don't even watch the fucking games.
Yet another BBI moron
All that said, I don't think he's healthy right now.
In a few years people on BBI will compare David Wilson to Barry Sanders.. I am convinced of this..
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In a few years people on BBI will compare David Wilson to Barry Sanders.. I am convinced of this..
so true :-)
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One of those moves where Reese thought he was smarter than everyone.
Yet another BBI moron
Who the fuck you calling a moron and how come your not banned for that. I can't have an opinion on a player that has done nothing.
If they needed him as a WR they could use him in a pinch to make the tough over the middle catches. Plus he plays coverage specials
He covers 3 positions and you got him away from a division rival
If he is overpaid, what should he have gotten
I get worried every time he touches the ball though. I'm just waiting for Bob Rainey fumble *knock on wood*
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One of those moves where Reese thought he was smarter than everyone.
Yet another BBI moron
Who the fuck you calling a moron and how come your not banned for that. I can't have an opinion on a player that has done nothing.
If you think he has done nothing since he has been here.....yes you are a moron!!!!!!
Waaaaaa
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One of those moves where Reese thought he was smarter than everyone.
Yet another BBI moron
Who the fuck you calling a moron and how come your not banned for that. I can't have an opinion on a player that has done nothing.
He hasn't "done nothing." That's just a made up "fact."
Number one return man...solid on specials...and was the fifth leading receiver(third counting just wide outs)last year.
Hard working, seems to be popular with the coaches and his teammates...seems like a weird player to try and crap on just because he's having a down year and dealing with a few injuries.
So to put it in perspective, if you cannot find someone cheap from the drafts to do all the dirty work on ST then I'd rather pay someone $4 mil per year rather than see 2014 ST again..
You are basing that on ONE game
Guess you are too stupid to realize his contributions on both punt and kick coverage
Did you not see his 2 returns last year for TD's?
Do you realize that teams are punting to the boundaries on him and that our blocking would n the gunners hasn't been very good either?
You're a bigger dipshit than I originally thought
He's much better than given credit for here.
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Just can't break a return for anything
It is like some people don't even watch the fucking games.
What games? There are games?
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was better than Harris.
In a few years people on BBI will compare David Wilson to Barry Sanders.. I am convinced of this..
Or you can just look at the stats and see David Wilson had more KR yards than any Giant in history in one single season by like 250 yards.
Or you can play grab ass with another poster an yuck it up without knowing any facts.
I don't care.
Our best gunner and he did get a number of snaps as the 4th WR
.Go back like 8 years and look where our special teams
have ranked out side of the Punting and Licking we have
been for the most part bottom feeders and let alone have
a pro bowl type player unless you want to count the Long
snapper .
This year he has fallen off a bit and as of lately he
hasn't been as impactful this year . He could be banged up
but take a look at ay anyone back there fielding a punt
or Kick Off your better off taking a Knee or fair catch .
Our special teams are still bad . I still feel Quinn is a
big part of that problem .
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Looks better on returns than Harris does. Rainey is a fraction of the cost. Harris is not money well spent. When Devin Hester in his prime was on the field you kicked it away as often as possible. Harris is making insane money and I don't think he is even close to the threat Hester was. K, moron.
You are basing that on ONE game
Guess you are too stupid to realize his contributions on both punt and kick coverage
Did you not see his 2 returns last year for TD's?
Do you realize that teams are punting to the boundaries on him and that our blocking would n the gunners hasn't been very good either?
You're a bigger dipshit than I originally thought
Really bud. You gonna talk all that mess like you know everything and I don't. fuck off
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Looks better on returns than Harris does. Rainey is a fraction of the cost. Harris is not money well spent. When Devin Hester in his prime was on the field you kicked it away as often as possible. Harris is making insane money and I don't think he is even close to the threat Hester was. K, moron.
You are basing that on ONE game
Guess you are too stupid to realize his contributions on both punt and kick coverage
Did you not see his 2 returns last year for TD's?
Do you realize that teams are punting to the boundaries on him and that our blocking would n the gunners hasn't been very good either?
You're a bigger dipshit than I originally thought
Really bud. You gonna talk all that mess like you know everything and I don't. fuck off
You don't as proved by myself and others who have chimed in.
Your a moron
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Looks better on returns than Harris does. Rainey is a fraction of the cost. Harris is not money well spent. When Devin Hester in his prime was on the field you kicked it away as often as possible. Harris is making insane money and I don't think he is even close to the threat Hester was. K, moron.
You are basing that on ONE game
Guess you are too stupid to realize his contributions on both punt and kick coverage
Did you not see his 2 returns last year for TD's?
Do you realize that teams are punting to the boundaries on him and that our blocking would n the gunners hasn't been very good either?
You're a bigger dipshit than I originally thought
Really bud. You gonna talk all that mess like you know everything and I don't. fuck off
You don't as proved by myself and others who have chimed in.
Your a moron
Agreed , this guy sux
Find another team moron
I'd pile on too, but you're already buried.
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has been better at KR this year in my opinion...
every time Rainey touches the ball I'm in fear of the fumble, but he's shown more explosiveness and elusiveness than Harris
You mean, like when Rainey tripped over himself in the Cinci game?
I would rather see Harris out there than Lewis or King....
Good point about Harris being the Giants' best gunner, and also good to point out that he was not on the field during the Bengals' big returns. Harris is valuable from that standpoint alone.
He also had to long TDs on returns last year and not a sniff of one this season. As a result. I think all that has frustrated him a bit causing him to "press" a bit and bring out kicks that he needs to kneel down on, etc.
With all that said, production out of returns are not linear and he is still our best resource in that Dept for this season. But I would think he has got to be considered for a future cut b/c of the money he makes and that KO Returns have become basically a waste of time with rule changes.
He also had to long TDs on returns last year and not a sniff of one this season. As a result. I think all that has frustrated him a bit causing him to "press" a bit and bring out kicks that he needs to kneel down on, etc.
With all that said, production out of returns are not linear and he is still our best resource in that Dept for this season. But I would think he has got to be considered for a future cut b/c of the money he makes and that KO Returns have become basically a waste of time with rule changes.
In part, the guy is a gambler. He's picking and choosing plays to take chances on. Obviously, with any gamble, there's a chance it doesn't pan out. Last week, two gambles on kick returns didn't pan out. He also gambled on a punt going into the endzone that didn't pan out. I though he was right to gamble on those plays.
The blocking on the kicks was horrible. It looked like he wasn't blocked for, at all. I'd expect our return blocking to have been a fixture in specials practice after those bad plays, by the entire unit.
The punt that he chose not to fair catch or return, bounced down into the ten and the specials guys on the Bengals made the play. It was a perfect punt. Between fair catching inside the ten and letting it go, he chose wisely imv. The fact is, the specials play on the Bengals is really good. Their punter is one of the best in the league for putting teams deep on their side of the field.
Harris has been fine. No big mistakes. He's had one fumble this year and one recovery. I don't see how anyone can say he's been a liability. If he has one highlight return on both kicks and punts, he'll be back as a top tier return guy. Those are 1-2 a year plays anyway. We have a guy who takes the chances, doesn't make many mistakes, and can capitalize on the gamble.
Not to mention his blocking and gunner abilities, which are tops on the team for wide receiver and specials coverage guy, respectively...
He seems slower when returning kicks too. It's almost like he takes a second to gather himself.
They gave him 7 Mill. in guaranteed money too.
I also thought they overpaid for a ST's player.