He leads the league in sacks for rookies. I wanted to land this player and was very disappointed when Chicago jumped us in the draft. I hope that Apple turns out to be better, but right now its not looking like that.
"Floyd, the ninth overall pick in the draft, leads all NFL rookies with five sacks, one more than the Chargers' Joey Bosa, the Jaguars' Yannick Ngakoue and the Buccaneers' Noah Spence."
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The only players I think Giants fans should be annoyed that we didn't get were Conklin or bong-dude on Miami (I have no idea why I am forgetting his name right now).
That was the pitch of his advocates but, when I have watched, Bears have used him almost entirely as an end rusher as a 3-4 OLB. He played 48% of snaps last week. He does have one pass defended on his ledger but that's not a meaningful stat one way or the other.
When I watched Floyd in his first preseason game, I knew he'd get some sacks. However, if Apple turns out to be a top level CB who is on the field 100% of snaps, he's a better top ten pick for the Giants 4-3 D.
Will be interesting to watch Floyd on Sunday, no doubt.
And to hell with Floyd...give me Conklin who may be a pro-bowler this year. But no opportunity to draft either so Apple it is.
What the Giants should address - if it is indeed a problem, but no way for us to know - is telegraphing your intentions pre-draft.
Perhaps he'll develop into a player with more dimensions to his game but to say he isn't one dimensional right now ignores both the stats and the eye test
No sense in forcing the square peg round hole.
They had some injuries on in the front 7 and have him rushing more which is what he should do most of the time. But he's versatile. He can do it as a DE with his hand on the ground. Drop in coverage or work stunts with a blitz from a LB spot on the outside or inside.
His run D has been good too. He's not an anchor vs the run like JPP but the Bears coaches ave praised his strength and edge setting. He got some heat on BBI after Dallas ran all over the Bears but they were missing a lot of guys. He struggled on some plays but that was his highest graded game to that point.
This guy is a lot more than just a skinny pass rusher. And his game would have worked on this Giants team.
Or in the 2nd round even (see Sintim, C.)
On the run game, this is only my opinion, but the three games I watched him, his run stopping was poor, either where he is moved out of position by the line, or where he's missed tackles. He's been really impressive as a speed rusher.
Happened to watch a Chicago game where he had a sack....qb was forced into him...as for the other 4, I don't watch Chicago....
On the run game, this is only my opinion, but the three games I watched him, his run stopping was poor, either where he is moved out of position by the line, or where he's missed tackles. He's been really impressive as a speed rusher.
Spot on Fatman. I dont think KWALL will ever accept that Floyd wouldnt have worked here.
In the run game, he is simply guided out of the play and the opponent runs through the space created by his absense. Granted its not like he gets flattened.
However, he is almost certainly going to have a huge game stopping the run against us given our run blocking.
Happened to watch a Chicago game where he had a sack....qb was forced into him...as for the other 4, I don't watch Chicago....
Sweet blog....
Jpp might be an adequate 3-4 end, but Vernon definitely wouldnt.
This discussion won't ever stop will it?
Then they had injuries in front 7 and had him pass rush. Let.
It's working well. It's what he does best. And I'm sure they will continue to rush him most of the time because there is more value there than having your best pass rusher drop in coverage.
Taking advantage of his best and most valuable asset does not make him one dimensional.
He has shown the ability to cover and he's playing the run well. He struggles at times when guys lock on him. Again, he isn't a JPP type that can take on a block and control the OT and handle both gaps.
All preseason and all year, CHI coaches have praised his play vs the run.
Not a one tick pony. Not one dimensional. He can play several positions , cover, and provide pass rushing versatility,
Chopper. I won't admit it because I'm right and the Giants agree with me as well. Floyd can play on any defense. As this guy continues to kick ass when will you admit you were wrong about him? Are you ready at this point? Ditto for your boy Treadwell.
Very easy to find snaps for a guy with multi skills like Floyd. Especially in today's NFL. You can give up some bulk for better play in space at LB. He would have played that LB role for NYG, some DE, and given them a dynamic 3rd pass rusher.
He'd play the Kennard role. LB in base d,hand in dirt on fish downs.
I don't really disagree. His skills would definitely not be optimized on the giants or in many 43 Ds. I was just pointing out that he would fill the role Kennard currently does. But Kennard only plays around half the snaps which would be a major waste of a first round pick.
Okie dokie. You're right because you say so. Oh and the Giants agree with you? I must've missed the interview where the Giants voiced their disappointment in having to settle for Apple instead of jumping up for Floyd. And I have watched plenty of the Bears this year and his only real impact was when a sack fell in his lap.
But whatever, this is going to get tedious.
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Agree to disagree, Floyd isn't a gifted football player who fits a 4-3, imv. He's an athlete who's got a ton to prove in regards to truly a multi-dimensional player, let alone an impact talent.
I don't really disagree. His skills would definitely not be optimized on the giants or in many 43 Ds. I was just pointing out that he would fill the role Kennard currently does. But Kennard only plays around half the snaps which would be a major waste of a first round pick.
Floyd would absolutely not be able to play SAM like DK. He is not an edge setting run stopper. More so chases down the play and either gets him from behind or follows the wash.
This guy was a wasted pick if there ever was one. And the Giants move UP to get this bust of a player.
2016? - Reese looks like a genius
This guy was a wasted pick if there ever was one. And the Giants move UP to get this bust of a player.
2016? - Reese looks like a genius
Yup, unbelievable. Led all rookies in tackles...but who cares he's terrible in coverage even though he's playing out of position..such a bust.
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you don't draft a square peg for a round hole at # 10 overall.
Or in the 2nd round even (see Sintim, C.)
Sintim was a Bust at any position just a bad pick period .
It's easy to find a full time role for Floyd in any system.
It is, what it is. I supported cutting Moore at the time but given that Coughlin and Cullen Jenkins are long gone, maybe they should have just suspended him--if that were possible.
Floyd they just missed out on. Fox outfoxed us. No way I blame Giants for not trading up. Sometimes the draft just doesn't go your way--and they still wound up with a good pick in Apple.
Called him a "more athletic Alison Smith". Not the first time somebody made that comparison. Smiths old defensive coach said the same and mentioned Smith couldn't play in space or cover like Floyd.
Simms is right about the Bears front 7. They're very good. Willie Young is a very good pass rusher. The LBs are super athletic. This game vs CHi isn't a layup for the Giants.
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