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Adding an impact player.

MTN-G-man : 11/19/2016 8:16 am
If you could add an impact player at one position to this current team, which position would it be? I would go with a another guy who could get after the QB.
TE like a non-concussion prone Jordan Reed  
Big Blue '56 : 11/19/2016 8:22 am : link
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Road Grader...  
KingBlue : 11/19/2016 8:25 am : link
Offensive lineman to help run game
A healthy Luke Kuechley  
superspynyg : 11/19/2016 8:43 am : link
Wou.d be great. He would make our def a top 5 IMHO.
Still bummed  
larryinnewhaven : 11/19/2016 8:52 am : link
Conklin was gone early in the draft last year. That kids got multiple pro-bowls 13 year career written all over him
Easy! Put me down for...  
est1986 : 11/19/2016 8:58 am : link
One Ray Lewis and One Barry Sanders.
Tyron Smith  
Giants2012 : 11/19/2016 9:10 am : link
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Tough to choose between Osemele, Gronkowski, Mack, Keuchley,  
yatqb : 11/19/2016 9:24 am : link
Watt or Antonio Brown.

Since I like smashmouth, I'll go Osemele, though Gronk would help immeasurably too.
RE: Tough to choose between Osemele, Gronkowski, Mack, Keuchley,  
est1986 : 11/19/2016 9:57 am : link
In comment 13223688 yatqb said:
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Watt or Antonio Brown.

Since I like smashmouth, I'll go Osemele, though Gronk would help immeasurably too.


Hold on.... You would rather have Odemele on this team than Antonio Brown or JJ Watt?
Offensive line first  
joeinpa : 11/19/2016 10:00 am : link
Linebacker next. Tightend
Just style of play...he's a dominant run blocker.  
yatqb : 11/19/2016 10:00 am : link
And since it's for free, what the hell.
Somebody that can actually run block  
Jimmy Googs : 11/19/2016 10:08 am : link
would be impactful...
Time for the corny, unfun answer...  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/19/2016 10:09 am : link
A bulldozing, lead-blocking fullback.
RE: RE: Tough to choose between Osemele, Gronkowski, Mack, Keuchley,  
Giants2012 : 11/19/2016 10:10 am : link
In comment 13223700 est1986 said:
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Watt or Antonio Brown.

Since I like smashmouth, I'll go Osemele, though Gronk would help immeasurably too.



Hold on.... You would rather have Odemele on this team than Antonio Brown or JJ Watt?


I would

I said Smith b/c LT yet Osemele was a close 2nd. Wish they would have drafted and resigned him in the first place.
A MLB who can make plays down the field  
adamg : 11/19/2016 10:13 am : link
followed by a TE seam route runner who can break off big plays down the middle

followed by a running back who can make big plays a la Brian Westbrook
Funny about perception  
allstarjim : 11/19/2016 10:22 am : link
The previous answers, I feel we are already good at, or wouldn't demonstratively improve our team. Maybe a dominate run blocking guard, but even then if the rest of the line misses blocks it wouldn't help much. To me the answer is very clear.

Give me a real threat opposite OBJ. Imagine AJ Green opposite OBJ. Red zone threat, height, deep speed... Would help the entire offense, including the run game.

Mike Williams, Clemson in the draft next year.
Any of these be would impactful...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/19/2016 10:22 am : link
- RT or RG that could run block
- Outside WR with big frame
- RB with a sidestep/wiggle (maybe Perkins...can't tell)
- Athletic TE with speed
- Blocking TE
- Athletic OLB or MLB with speed
- FS with intell/ball skills (maybe Thompson...can't tell)
How about a pass rusher?  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2016 11:05 am : link
Yes, a MLB would be great as the other positions mentioned but if we added Mack or Miller then that would be insane.
RE: How about a pass rusher?  
adamg : 11/19/2016 11:49 am : link
In comment 13223732 robbieballs2003 said:
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Yes, a MLB would be great as the other positions mentioned but if we added Mack or Miller then that would be insane.


Our two best LBs are the Will and Sam (Robinson and Kennard). I don't know that getting a pass rushing type guy (presumably a LB) would be a huge advantage given the limited role he would play and the limited upside he would offer given our weaknesses on D. Obviously, getting one the top two defensive players in the league would help anyone immensely. If the offense had AJ Green or Julio Jones it would be insane too. I don't think that's a fair framing of the question though.
RE: A healthy Luke Kuechley  
Ira : 11/19/2016 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13223663 superspynyg said:
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Wou.d be great. He would make our def a top 5 IMHO.


+1
Any position on the defense that can cover the TE!  
GeorgeFox : 11/19/2016 12:48 pm : link
The Giants still have not figured out how to cover TE's!
Right Guard  
Rjanyg : 11/19/2016 1:06 pm : link
I think if we had a legit running game this team could be scary. If we could run more effectively our passing game would improve. Imagine our pas rush when we have a 17 point lead and our D Line can all rush the passer.

Next would be a tight end and 3 Tech DT with pass rush ability.
RE: Any position on the defense that can cover the TE!  
allstarjim : 11/19/2016 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13223787 GeorgeFox said:
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The Giants still have not figured out how to cover TE's!


They've allowed 585 yards (not a great number, but far from the worst), and only 1 TD to Tight Ends this season. Only 5 other teams have allowed 1 td or less to Tight Ends this year. Arizona is the only team to allow zero.
RE: RE: How about a pass rusher?  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2016 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13223761 adamg said:
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Yes, a MLB would be great as the other positions mentioned but if we added Mack or Miller then that would be insane.



Our two best LBs are the Will and Sam (Robinson and Kennard). I don't know that getting a pass rushing type guy (presumably a LB) would be a huge advantage given the limited role he would play and the limited upside he would offer given our weaknesses on D. Obviously, getting one the top two defensive players in the league would help anyone immensely. If the offense had AJ Green or Julio Jones it would be insane too. I don't think that's a fair framing of the question though.


I didn't say LB. I said pass rusher and most likely a DE. If we get more kf a rotation out of our pass rushers JPP and Vernon might actually increase their production with less snaps.
RE: RE: RE: How about a pass rusher?  
adamg : 11/19/2016 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13223839 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13223732 robbieballs2003 said:


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Yes, a MLB would be great as the other positions mentioned but if we added Mack or Miller then that would be insane.



Our two best LBs are the Will and Sam (Robinson and Kennard). I don't know that getting a pass rushing type guy (presumably a LB) would be a huge advantage given the limited role he would play and the limited upside he would offer given our weaknesses on D. Obviously, getting one the top two defensive players in the league would help anyone immensely. If the offense had AJ Green or Julio Jones it would be insane too. I don't think that's a fair framing of the question though.



I didn't say LB. I said pass rusher and most likely a DE. If we get more kf a rotation out of our pass rushers JPP and Vernon might actually increase their production with less snaps.


Well, you listed two 3-4 OLB as exemplars. Nevertheless, my point stands in the sense that adding a DE is a limited improvement given our talent at the position already.
I did list them but more because they are great pass rushers.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2016 2:22 pm : link
But you are correct in the fact that they are OLB. In a 4-3 I view them as DEs in pass rushing situations.

I also do not feel that getting a top pass rusher is limited in its effect. We won a super bowl because offenses couldn't stop the wave of pass rushers we sent. Osi, Tuck, Strahan, and others were too much for offenses. Look at Denver last year. Having Miller and Ware created headaches for offenses on top of having other pass rushers up front. Their offense sucked with Manning and Osweiler last year but it still resulted in a SB.

In today's NFL it is nice to be balanced but I think it is more important to be really dominant in at least one area. Look at Dallas. Their defense is not as good as it looks but because they take care of the ball and control the clock the defense isn't on the field all that much which makes them look much better. Their OL is dominant which makes Prescott look like a top QB this year as a rookie. Elliot is a stud but it helps running through gigantic holes. Gurley is a stud but hasn't gotten much done this year.

There is no wrong answer to this question as an upgrade at almost any position would be a great answer. I just dont think minimizing the value of improving the pass rush is accurate. Having a pass rush helps alleviate the ability to cover receivers including TEs by our LBs. It will minimize our LBs against RBs. It will minimize our safeties (the ones filling in for Thompson) getting exposed. It will lead to more turnovers, quick passes short of the first down marker, sacks, QB hits, QB fumbles, incomplete passes, etc.

In a perfect world I would want our running game to be dominant but that isn't a one man solution. That starts with more improvement by the OL, maybe better formations to run out of, a FB, better blocking on the edge, etc. So, while I would vote for that first I think there are too many moving parts for that to get accomplish by adding one guy. Adding another stud to our pass rush improves all of those aspects I mentioned before in addition to giving JPP and Vernon rest to keep fresh and probably increase their productivity on a per play basis.
RE: I did list them but more because they are great pass rushers.  
adamg : 11/19/2016 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13223860 robbieballs2003 said:
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But you are correct in the fact that they are OLB. In a 4-3 I view them as DEs in pass rushing situations.

I also do not feel that getting a top pass rusher is limited in its effect. We won a super bowl because offenses couldn't stop the wave of pass rushers we sent. Osi, Tuck, Strahan, and others were too much for offenses. Look at Denver last year. Having Miller and Ware created headaches for offenses on top of having other pass rushers up front. Their offense sucked with Manning and Osweiler last year but it still resulted in a SB.

In today's NFL it is nice to be balanced but I think it is more important to be really dominant in at least one area. Look at Dallas. Their defense is not as good as it looks but because they take care of the ball and control the clock the defense isn't on the field all that much which makes them look much better. Their OL is dominant which makes Prescott look like a top QB this year as a rookie. Elliot is a stud but it helps running through gigantic holes. Gurley is a stud but hasn't gotten much done this year.

There is no wrong answer to this question as an upgrade at almost any position would be a great answer. I just dont think minimizing the value of improving the pass rush is accurate. Having a pass rush helps alleviate the ability to cover receivers including TEs by our LBs. It will minimize our LBs against RBs. It will minimize our safeties (the ones filling in for Thompson) getting exposed. It will lead to more turnovers, quick passes short of the first down marker, sacks, QB hits, QB fumbles, incomplete passes, etc.

In a perfect world I would want our running game to be dominant but that isn't a one man solution. That starts with more improvement by the OL, maybe better formations to run out of, a FB, better blocking on the edge, etc. So, while I would vote for that first I think there are too many moving parts for that to get accomplish by adding one guy. Adding another stud to our pass rush improves all of those aspects I mentioned before in addition to giving JPP and Vernon rest to keep fresh and probably increase their productivity on a per play basis.


Good points. I could see a pass rusher having a big effect in the way you describe it, in terms of generating turnovers either with strip sacks, miscues in the backfield, or forcing bad throws to our dominant secondary. But, with Kennard and our 4 starting DL, I'm still not sure of the overall value. Although, moving Vernon inside some more would be interesting...
Another point I could add to that is  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2016 2:37 pm : link
if we have a dominant pass rush that means teams may keep more players in to block. The more players blocking the less that will be running routes making it easier to cover.
need a real TE and improve the oline  
mdc1 : 11/19/2016 3:34 pm : link
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Sooner or later,  
Doomster : 11/19/2016 3:35 pm : link
it's going to bite us in the ass.....a free safety.
ONE player - biggest impact from one player would be a HOF receiver  
baadbill : 11/19/2016 6:25 pm : link
- either wide out or TE.
RE: ONE player - biggest impact from one player would be a HOF receiver  
Giants2012 : 11/19/2016 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13223963 baadbill said:
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- either wide out or TE.


I don't agree. The team might have a HOF WR and it's not the difference.
Pass rushing DT  
Jesse B : 11/19/2016 9:40 pm : link
Gene Atkins would look great here (or Aaron Donald). Make this defense great.
What is wrong with some of you?  
EricJ : 11/19/2016 9:52 pm : link
seeing so many people suggest that our first need would be something other than help for the O-line is mind boggling.

We have just identified the reason why Dallas has been successful this year is their O-line. SOLE REASON when you consider they have a rookie QB and RB. Put our O-line in Dallas and Romo would be starting next week and Zeke's stats would be average. Put their O-line on our team and we have the best offense in the league.

So, what impact player do we need again?
RE: What is wrong with some of you?  
Giants2012 : 11/19/2016 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13224095 EricJ said:
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seeing so many people suggest that our first need would be something other than help for the O-line is mind boggling.

We have just identified the reason why Dallas has been successful this year is their O-line. SOLE REASON when you consider they have a rookie QB and RB. Put our O-line in Dallas and Romo would be starting next week and Zeke's stats would be average. Put their O-line on our team and we have the best offense in the league.

So, what impact player do we need again?


OFFENSIVE LINE
The question was about an impact player...  
Milton : 11/20/2016 1:07 am : link
It didn't ask what position is the greatest need. Normally you would think that there's no better position to add an impact player at than your position of greatest need, but in this case I would go with a TE rather than an OG or OT. In the 5-man unit that is the OL, there is only so much of an impact that one man can have. But if the Giants could add an impact TE (not just any TE) to the mix, it would give defensive coordinators fits.

And that's probably the best way to look at it: if you were the head coach of a division rival, what's the position you would least likely want to see the Giants add an impact player? The addition of a 6'5", 255lb TE who can run, catch, and block would scare the hell out of me.
Orlando Pace  
grizz299 : 11/20/2016 4:34 am : link
and in the other stocking.....
RE: The question was about an impact player...  
EricJ : 11/20/2016 7:00 am : link
In comment 13224164 Milton said:
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It didn't ask what position is the greatest need.


I don't know Milton. If you read the opening post again, he says if you can add an impact player to the CURRENT TEAM. So, to me that means area of need and what player will make the most impact on THIS TEAM. So, that is why I said O-line.

Now, if it is a general question then the answer of course would be QB. You can see what happens when teams don't have one. Luckily, we do.
RE: RE: The question was about an impact player...  
Milton : 11/20/2016 8:34 am : link
In comment 13224187 EricJ said:
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It didn't ask what position is the greatest need.



I don't know Milton. If you read the opening post again, he says if you can add an impact player to the CURRENT TEAM. So, to me that means area of need and what player will make the most impact on THIS TEAM. So, that is why I said O-line.
I understand that the question was re: the current team, but the current team has a need at TE as well. If the Giants could add a Pro Bowl quality TE to this team I think it would make a bigger difference than adding a Pro Bowl quality OL to the team. This is especially true if it's not simply a top flight pass-catching TE like what Jimmy Graham was to the Saints a couple years ago or a Shannon Sharpe from years past, but instead a two-way TE like Mark Bavaro or a more intelligent version of Jeremy Shockey (I won't even mention Gronkowski, because the OP said "impact player" not "first ballot Hall-of-Famer").

Right now, I'd add a two-way TE that would fill two areas  
micky : 11/20/2016 8:52 am : link
of need on this team..A TE that be a ligit threat in seams and a added, of sorts, a extra Olmen with their blocking abilities.
RE: RE: RE: The question was about an impact player...  
EricJ : 11/20/2016 9:08 am : link
In comment 13224221 Milton said:
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I understand that the question was re: the current team, but the current team has a need at TE as well. If the Giants could add a Pro Bowl quality TE to this team I think it would make a bigger difference than adding a Pro Bowl quality OL to the team.

Don't get me wrong, I do not disagree about the TE being a huge area of need. I suppose it is just a difference of opinion as to which (AT THIS POINT) is MOST important.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The question was about an impact player...  
Milton : 11/20/2016 9:28 am : link
In comment 13224243 EricJ said:
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Don't get me wrong, I do not disagree about the TE being a huge area of need. I suppose it is just a difference of opinion as to which (AT THIS POINT) is MOST important.
But the question wasn't what is the biggest area of need, it was what position would you most want to add an impact player. And if you look at it from the perspective of an opposing defensive coordinator, what would keep you up at night: the addition of a Pro Bowl OL to the Giants or the addition of a Pro Bowl TE to the Giants. What would the addition of Jumbo Elliot or Chris Snee mean to the offense compared to the addition of Mark Bavaro or Jeremy Shockey?
RE: RE: ONE player - biggest impact from one player would be a HOF receiver  
baadbill : 11/20/2016 11:01 am : link
In comment 13223975 Giants2012 said:
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- either wide out or TE.



I don't agree. The team might have a HOF WR and it's not the difference.


You miss the point - i.e. the impact upon Odell by having another pass catching HOFer. I don't know if you had the pleasure to watch LT - but I can promise you this - LT was LT ONLY because he got to play with CARSON and BANKS.
O-line  
Bluesbreaker : 11/20/2016 11:39 am : link
Its the only thing holding us back so a Road grader for
the right side of the line . Just get a consistant run
game and the offense will score more .
The Defense is good enough at this point to keep us in
every game but there getting over worked if we don't get
more TOP they could falter . Eventually were gonna lose
some tight games hell it could happen today .
On paper we should win but I doubt it will be a blow out .
So Osemele would certainly change the dynamics of the
offense . We shall see if the run game improves over
last week .
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