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Landon Collins - potential DPOY candidate?

T-Bone : 11/21/2016 11:18 am
Saw this blurb from Rotoworld:

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Giants SS Landon Collins recorded six tackles and an interception Week 11 against the Bears.

The interception was Collins' fifth in the last four games and ended the Bears' comeback attempt late in the fourth quarter. After an up-and-down rookie season, Collins is making a legitimate case for Defensive Player of the Year honors this year. Collins has three sacks to go along with his league-leading five interceptions.

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If he played for Dallas,  
Big Blue '56 : 11/21/2016 11:22 am : link
he'd be a strong candidate to receive the honor, assuming he continues his stellar play obviously
he's playing better than any Giants safety in my lifetime  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2016 11:23 am : link
I don't know about DPOY, but he should be under strong consideration for All-Pro.
As of right now  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/21/2016 11:23 am : link
He deserves it, slightly more than Von Miller.

Will he win it? Probably not. But no one is playing better defensive football right now.
Certainly  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2016 11:26 am : link
a candidate. Hope he finishes strong and then it's in the hands of the idiot voters.
I'm not sure he has the level of name recognition yet, although he is  
regulator : 11/21/2016 11:29 am : link
reasonably well-known from his collegiate career. If the Giants make a playoff run and he continues to play at a high level, it's possible.

I'm not sure anyone else on the defensive side of the ball is playing better football right now than he is.
agree with Greg  
ColHowPepper : 11/21/2016 11:39 am : link
KP was a nice player, but he wasn't the physical, run-crushing tackler that LC is. LC plays S up on LOS better than KP. KP was more like LC in his rookie season in his play on passing downs.

I found the comparison to Rolle posted last night in which the poster argued that Rolle was better, amusing: Not only is LC only in his second season, as a Giant Rolle was already in decline. Loved him for his presence in his first couple of years, but his angles on receivers and runners were often head-scratching. He did not command the presence and control from his S position that LC has this year, imo.

This stretch of play has been impressive and he's still growing into it, but it needs to continue to establish that it's not a tease.
That he's a new face in the competition works against him  
njm : 11/21/2016 11:42 am : link
But he certainly deserves to be in the conversation.
Agree with what most have said here.  
T-Bone : 11/21/2016 11:43 am : link
Thought it pretty cool he's leading the league in INTs now, after it was his coverage skills that were the biggest knock on him coming out of school. I still wouldn't say he's a 'top notch' defender when it comes to being in coverage... but it's not nearly as much of a weakness as some thought it would be.
Miller and Sherman  
dep026 : 11/21/2016 11:45 am : link
are 1 and 2 via name. But if Collins continue to improve and add stats, he may sneak it in.
Rolle always looked like what he was - a CB playing S  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2016 11:47 am : link
Pretty good coverage, decent blitzer, but not a guy who could fly up and punish running backs.
I don't think his coverage is a weakness, really  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2016 11:49 am : link
I wouldn't say it's a strength, either, but it's solid. His run support and blitzes are excellent, and his coverage is pretty good. It makes for an excellent overall package for a SS.
I hope all the Reese critics  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/21/2016 11:54 am : link
will give Reese credit for trading up to get this guy - I thought he was a pretty good pick in round one that draft -- I was thrilled we got him in round two
RE: If he played for Dallas,  
Deej : 11/21/2016 11:55 am : link
In comment 13227752 Big Blue '56 said:
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he'd be a strong candidate to receive the honor, assuming he continues his stellar play obviously


Heh. My whole life, every player in Dallas is a pro-bowler.
Rolle was a very physical safety  
Keith : 11/21/2016 11:57 am : link
who tackled hard and well.
Sorry, my comment was in reference to somoene  
Keith : 11/21/2016 11:58 am : link
else saying Rolle didn't punish tacklers. I disagree.

RE: Collins, he is certainly in the discussion. Lets see how it ends up, more games to play. Usually the later games in the season will mean more(fresher in peoples minds).
yes, he tackled well  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2016 12:03 pm : link
but he didn't hit anything like Collins
Landon Collins is better than both  
Chris684 : 11/21/2016 12:08 pm : link
Kenny Phillips pre-injury and Antrel Rolle in his prime, which is saying alot.

He is like those two plus Deon Grant and Will Hill all rolled into one.
RE: If he played for Dallas,  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/21/2016 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13227752 Big Blue '56 said:
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he'd be a strong candidate to receive the honor, assuming he continues his stellar play obviously


If he played for Dallas, the media would be ready to put him in Canton.
I watch alot  
Elisthebest : 11/21/2016 12:14 pm : link
but I can't say he's been the best. It's always the case in these "votes". All I can say is that I'm VERY happy with his play and it would take something real special to be better.
Landon could turn out to  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/21/2016 12:38 pm : link
Be our version of Rodney Harrison or Ed Reed. Just a monster brand name safety that should be on the team until he retires.
I also think in 4-5 years  
Elisthebest : 11/21/2016 1:06 pm : link
he becomes an All-Pro Outside LB
RE: I hope all the Reese critics  
SomeFan : 11/21/2016 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13227843 gidiefor said:
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will give Reese credit for trading up to get this guy - I thought he was a pretty good pick in round one that draft -- I was thrilled we got him in round two


Agree, despite my criticism of both Reese and Collins last year. Please, no one check the archives. My critique of Collins was embarrassing. JUST.LET.IT.GO
He's probably the 3rd best Giants safety I have ever seen  
Vin R : 11/21/2016 1:17 pm : link
Right behind C.C. Brown & Will Demps :)
Thanks, Reese.  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2016 1:34 pm : link
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he's making the flashy plays but there's an element of randomness  
chris r : 11/21/2016 1:35 pm : link
with such low frequency plays - see Stevie Brown.

He's still not great in coverage though and that's the most important part of a safeties job description.
RE: he's making the flashy plays but there's an element of randomness  
Vin R : 11/21/2016 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13228093 chris r said:
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with such low frequency plays - see Stevie Brown.

He's still not great in coverage though and that's the most important part of a safeties job description.


He is impacting games ina positive way big-time  
SomeFan : 11/21/2016 1:41 pm : link
That deserves DPOY consideration. If he continues with yhis level of play through the next 6 games, he has a good chance. Do some damage on a nationally televised game, would go far.
RE: he's making the flashy plays but there's an element of randomness  
T-Bone : 11/21/2016 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13228093 chris r said:
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with such low frequency plays - see Stevie Brown.

He's still not great in coverage though and that's the most important part of a safeties job description.


I tend to think that he's making the more mundane plays as well. Isn't he leading the team in tackles for instance (thought I heard that somewhere)? He always seems to be around the ball and has not only made the big eye-popping hits\tackles but also the more 'just get the guy down' type as well.

Also, he may not be 'great' in coverage... but I'd settle for 'pretty darn good'.
Gluber  
Vin R : 11/21/2016 1:53 pm : link
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And look at him now: With yet another game-deciding interception in Sunday’s 22-16 win over the Bears, Collins is turning into one of the best safeties in the NFL.

In fact, he just might be the NFL’s best defensive player. Period.

With five interceptions in the last four games and two NFC defensive player of the week awards this season, Collins is a star who might be mentioned in the same breath as some of the other greats in franchise history.

With three-time Defensive Player of the Year J.J. Watt out for the season after reinjuring his back, the field is wide open for the award. There is no doubt that Collins is in the mix, and as far as I’m concerned, he’s at the top of the list.


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RE: he's making the flashy plays but there's an element of randomness  
Toth029 : 11/21/2016 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13228093 chris r said:
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with such low frequency plays - see Stevie Brown.

He's still not great in coverage though and that's the most important part of a safeties job description.


Then Kam Chancellor must be a terrible Safety.
RE: If he played for Dallas,  
djstat : 11/21/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13227752 Big Blue '56 said:
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he'd be a strong candidate to receive the honor, assuming he continues his stellar play obviously
What the hell does Dallas have to do with this? If he keeps playing like this and the Giants go 11-5 he has a legit shot.
he has been great  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/21/2016 3:45 pm : link
but I do believe his play has been slightly overhyped this year.

IMO, and I might get shit on for it, but I don't think he's been playing THAT much above what Will Hill was playing for us in '13. Will Hill was better than Antrel during Anrel's best season for us. Phillips was safe and good, but never touched the level Hill/Rolle/Collins have played at for stretches.

Great young player, Pro Bowler for sure... All Pro, maybe... DPOY, I don't think he deserves it.
RE: he has been great  
Les in TO : 11/21/2016 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13228336 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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but I do believe his play has been slightly overhyped this year.

IMO, and I might get shit on for it, but I don't think he's been playing THAT much above what Will Hill was playing for us in '13. Will Hill was better than Antrel during Anrel's best season for us. Phillips was safe and good, but never touched the level Hill/Rolle/Collins have played at for stretches.

Great young player, Pro Bowler for sure... All Pro, maybe... DPOY, I don't think he deserves it.
will hill was not the same force against the run or blitzing that Collins is this year and didn't force the same number of turnovers as Collins has this year. hill was certainly an impact player when he found lightning in a bottle and managed to get his shit together for that stretch in 2013. key words being lightning in a bottle.
Von Miller still king  
Overseer : 11/21/2016 4:03 pm : link
Don't think it's close and he is a lock to win another. Mostly for legit reasons, but name recognition helps too.

Marcus Peters also up there. Shutdown CB w 5 INTs after 8 last season.

Imagine if the Giants had another DPOY candidate, oldman Eric Weddle next to Landon. Wouldn't be fair. The mediocre FS play will be evident vs teams with multiple receiving threats like Wash & Detroit.

This secondary is for real. I really hope they can keep it together for 17/18 when NYG should have a real chance at a SB run.
agree with that  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/21/2016 4:05 pm : link
Collins' ability to make an impact coming forward has been awesome. But Hill was better against the pass that year imo. I don't think BBI likes to give him the credit he deserves for that stretch of play.
I strongly agree with Osi.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 11/21/2016 4:14 pm : link
Huge improvement in year 2 but I tend to think he's a little over hyped here on BBI. IMO he would need to make a more consistent impact rushing the passer or have better coverage skills to be considered DPOY material.

Pro bowl for sure and All Pro SS most likely. But isn't an all pro pass rusher like Miller infinitely more valuable (and therefore a better case for DPOY) than an all pro SS?
RE: RE: If he played for Dallas,  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/21/2016 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13228253 djstat said:
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In comment 13227752 Big Blue '56 said:


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he'd be a strong candidate to receive the honor, assuming he continues his stellar play obviously

What the hell does Dallas have to do with this? If he keeps playing like this and the Giants go 11-5 he has a legit shot.


I take it you don't watch ESPN?

...or the NFL Network?

....or any other sports news outlet?
Landon Collins though  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/21/2016 11:04 pm : link
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