have to give credit to Ian Rapaport for this but take a look at these stats in which LC, through 10 games, has stats equal to or better than Reed when he won the MVP.
Reed Collins
Tackles - 76 80
Sacks - 2 3
Interceptions - 9 5
TD - 1 1
If he could grab a few more INTs, man, no question he is in MVP conversation.
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has already selected Tom Brady MVP. He'd been back 4 games and already I'd began reading articles about how Tom Brady was MVP after just those 4 games.
I see almost no scenario anyone other than Brady wins.
I don't see how he can be MVP, the team was winning without him. Kinda puts a dent in the term most valuable. What would Dallas be w/o Elliot or for that matter NY without Eli ? Best player, sure Brady wins that, most valuable though, not close.
I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm saying it will happen, mark my words.
a big FU to Goodell.
Ray Lewis never won MVP. Only 2 defensive players have won with LT being the last.
Aaaaaaaaaand, here comes the posts that try to bring down Collins. It was only a matter of time. Giants fans just can't stand prosperity. There's always those that feel the need to bring the room down.
Most overrated player on the team? Jeezus.
What does overrated mean to you?
What does overrated mean to you?
Who put Collins on Reed's level career-wise? This thread is about comparing Collins' 2016 season to Reed's 2004 DPOY season. And statistically they have been comparable, the one glaring omission in the OP (as pointed out by Osi Osi) is the ridiculous number of return yards that Reed had.
Collins is a very good player. I thought he was good last year and liked the plan to get thinner and quicker. It seems to be helping. But he isn't a player of the year type even with the improved play.
And he sure as hell isnt close to having the impact Reed had that year.
And he sure as hell isnt close to having the impact Reed had that year.
Are we reading the same thing? Collins has more tackles and more sacks than Reed had all of that season, and there's still 6 games to play.
What does overrated mean to you?
Well you completely whiffed on what this thread was about, first of all. No one ever said that Collins is a Hall of Famer like Reed certainly is, just that he's having a freaking great year, on par with one of Reed in some statistical areas. Second of all, you didn't just say he was overrated, but the most overrated player on the team. If by being the best player on the team so far this season equals being the most overrated to you, then I'm not not sure what to say, other than you are absolutely looking to bring everyone down a notch. Par for the course on this board.
Yes, he does. In 10 games mind you. Am I missing something? Did tackles and sacks suddenly not become important?
INTs can get a guy overrated fast.
A few years ago, all Stevie Brown needed was 2 sacks and he would have been "on par with Reed" right?
Facts? That's another joke.
INTs can get a guy overrated fast.
A few years ago, all Stevie Brown needed was 2 sacks and he would have been "on par with Reed" right?
Dude, no offense but you are off your rocker right now. If that's the case, than it makes Collins' season even better compared to Reed's. If you say INTs are overrated, he had MORE of them than Collins...but Collins is going to destroy that tackles mark and probably get a few more sacks. Aren't you proving our point?
INTs can get a guy overrated fast.
A few years ago, all Stevie Brown needed was 2 sacks and he would have been "on par with Reed" right?
Except for the fact that it's not the interceptions that are making him stand out, lol. Many on this thread alone have even mentioned that "if he can get some more interceptions"...You are completely lost, for someone that fancies himself as always being the smartest guy in the room.
What a strange thread to bring out your ridiculous radar impersonation.
Facts? That's another joke.
Collins might get DPOY, just like Reed did that season. Is that a joke? What the fuck is going on.
The only reason people are saying he's having an "all time season" and comparing it to Reeds best is his 5 INTs. While he is having an excellent season comparing him to Reeds best makes it clear he's severely overrated by some.
I thought the Player of the Year stuff was overrating his play. Hell, as far as Giant defenders go he's probably 5th most valuable. I'd take the play of both DEs and CBs over Collins.
All 4 are more valuable and better players.
All 4 are more valuable and better players.
5th most valuable????? Dude leads the team in sacks, tackles, and INTs!!!!
You can go on projecting INTs and sacks or overrating stats for defenders.
OK, so now his picks are fortuitous. What's next? Half his tackles are just pure luck? He's just...there?
He isn't in consideration for league MVP outside of this thread. DPOY stuff is out of line too.
His stats may wind up better than a guy like Polanski when he won awards but again his play right now doesn't come close.
He's been excellent but his play is getting overrated right. Ow. That's clear to me with the DPOY talk, MVP, and now the he's on par with Reeds best.
Some don't honk it compares to all time greats. That isn't about a lack of respect.
Some don't honk it compares to all time greats. That isn't about a lack of respect.
That was about his "fortuitous INTs" and downplaying his tackles and sacks, which apparently seem to not matter when it's a Giant making them.
I can see your point about the other 3 since they play premium positions. But no one in the nfl I'd taking DRC over collins right now.
Agreed. Collins is an All Pro this year.
But...
Ed Reed routinely altered field position in a huge way while also
being the best safety in the game and providing coverage and the ability to cover ground that Collins can't.
It's not a knock on Collins to say he isn't anything close to Ed Reed, great season and all.
Also safeties are not like DEs who rush the QB on every passing play. Sacks for a safety are more a function of how many times the DC decides to blitz them.
Collins is a very good player who's having an outstanding year, but he's nowhere close to the player that Reed was.
If LT was the last NFL MVP and JJ Watt couldn't sniff it in recent years, don't see any DB getting it for a long, long time.
You see how Richard Sherman's INTs dropped once he became an established star and much the same for the other Seahawk DBs. Doesn't make them any less good.
lmao i laughed at that one
p.s.-- Landon Collins isn't even the defensive MVP on the Giants, let alone the league. That's Janoris Jenkins. And the Giants could weather the loss of Collins better than they could weather the loss of JPP and Olivier Vernon, too. Collins has been playing some good ball, but it's not as if it's been mistake-free. Call me after the games against Pittsburgh and Dallas, not following a string of games versus Baltimore, LA, Philly, Cincy, and Chicago.