Landon Collins vs. Ed Reed (2004 MVP season)

though.

would they even consider Collins for MVP? Something tells me defense was considered more special/important back then. That's a pretty low number of tackles for Reed to get the MVP. Perhaps because he was the leader/best player on that amazing D?

In comment 13230545 ryanmkeane said:

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would they even consider Collins for MVP? Something tells me defense was considered more special/important back then. That's a pretty low number of tackles for Reed to get the MVP. Perhaps because he was the leader/best player on that amazing D?

Or perhaps Reed was really a FS and played the majority of his snaps as a deep safety.

he was DPOY.

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he was DPOY.

Correct, looks like Peyton was MVP that year. Strange Rapaport didn't correct that on his tweet.

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he was DPOY.

Yep, these stats have been pasted around twitter calling Reed the MVP. Damn social media and the false news stories!

no?

He has to finish it out over the last 6 weeks though.

A game like JPP (against Dallas 2011) could put him over the top.

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Rookie of the Year and MVP.

In comment 13230570 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Rookie of the Year and MVP.

Brady or Elliott will win MVP. It probably should be Brady but he did miss 4 games.

and get into postseason and win Collins is not winning anything and I think Collins is playing lights out right now. Everything is about winning. Nobody remembers or pays attention to the losers.

had Carr as his MVP right now....and it kinda makes sense.

In my book goes to the team that wins. If Dallas wins the bowl OK, if not....

For anyone.

MVP
Carl in CT : 10:08 am : link : reply
In my book goes to the team that wins. If Dallas wins the bowl OK, if not....


The vote is taken at the end of the season, BEFORE the playoffs....

MVP...highly unlikely

IMO

comparing the stats of a FS to a SS?

Too early to call MVP, rookies rarely win it unless a no-brainer, there's often a pecking order in close races.

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fine with Elliott, Dak and rest of Cowboys getting every freakin' individual award and pro bowl nomination possible just before we...

beat them in the playoffs to go to the Superbowl.

5 INT for 72 return yards
9 INT for 358! return yards

Reed was making backbreaking field position shifting plays every other week.

Alan Page and LT

has already selected Tom Brady MVP. He'd been back 4 games and already I'd began reading articles about how Tom Brady was MVP after just those 4 games.

I see almost no scenario anyone other than Brady wins.

had a blocked punt for a TD and a 100 yard punt return for a TD. Reed made massive game changing impact plays. Not that COllins hasn't made impact plays but not to the level Reed did

You forgot Ray Lewis being the 3rd.

Troy Polamalu won DPOY in 2007. Collins is on pace of blowing his stats from that year out the water.

I'm still going Zeke though. Prescott needed a good running game so he could be a "game manager" (for lack of a better term) with Romo out.

Well Zeke has been that and then some. He's been the best RB in football and has Dallas rolling.

Carr would certainly be very deserving as of now, too.

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has already selected Tom Brady MVP. He'd been back 4 games and already I'd began reading articles about how Tom Brady was MVP after just those 4 games. I see almost no scenario anyone other than Brady wins.

I don't see how he can be MVP, the team was winning without him. Kinda puts a dent in the term most valuable. What would Dallas be w/o Elliot or for that matter NY without Eli ? Best player, sure Brady wins that, most valuable though, not close.

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In comment 13230703 pjcas18 said: Quote: has already selected Tom Brady MVP. He'd been back 4 games and already I'd began reading articles about how Tom Brady was MVP after just those 4 games. I see almost no scenario anyone other than Brady wins. I don't see how he can be MVP, the team was winning without him. Kinda puts a dent in the term most valuable. What would Dallas be w/o Elliot or for that matter NY without Eli ? Best player, sure Brady wins that, most valuable though, not close.

I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm saying it will happen, mark my words.

a big FU to Goodell.

A stat line of maybe 120 tackles 5 sacks 7 picks and 2 tds might get it done this year. There is no clear cut MVP right now imo. And while normally I'd say no he won't be the MVP, this so far seems like the year a D player could win it.

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You forgot Ray Lewis being the 3rd.

Ray Lewis never won MVP. Only 2 defensive players have won with LT being the last.

Player on the team.

In comment 13230835 KWALL2 said:

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Player on the team.

Aaaaaaaaaand, here comes the posts that try to bring down Collins. It was only a matter of time. Giants fans just can't stand prosperity. There's always those that feel the need to bring the room down.

Most overrated player on the team? Jeezus.

One of the top 2-3 S to ever play you're a downer? Not just Reed but comparing what Collins is doing to Reeds best year in the league,

What does overrated mean to you?

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One of the top 2-3 S to ever play you're a downer? Not just Reed but comparing what Collins is doing to Reeds best year in the league, What does overrated mean to you?

Who put Collins on Reed's level career-wise? This thread is about comparing Collins' 2016 season to Reed's 2004 DPOY season. And statistically they have been comparable, the one glaring omission in the OP (as pointed out by Osi Osi) is the ridiculous number of return yards that Reed had.

He isn't close to Reeds best year. Projecting INTs is another joke.

Collins is a very good player. I thought he was good last year and liked the plan to get thinner and quicker. It seems to be helping. But he isn't a player of the year type even with the improved play.

And he sure as hell isnt close to having the impact Reed had that year.

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And he sure as hell isnt close to having the impact Reed had that year.

Are we reading the same thing? Collins has more tackles and more sacks than Reed had all of that season, and there's still 6 games to play.

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One of the top 2-3 S to ever play you're a downer? Not just Reed but comparing what Collins is doing to Reeds best year in the league, What does overrated mean to you?

Well you completely whiffed on what this thread was about, first of all. No one ever said that Collins is a Hall of Famer like Reed certainly is, just that he's having a freaking great year, on par with one of Reed in some statistical areas. Second of all, you didn't just say he was overrated, but the most overrated player on the team. If by being the best player on the team so far this season equals being the most overrated to you, then I'm not not sure what to say, other than you are absolutely looking to bring everyone down a notch. Par for the course on this board.

Collins is having an all time season for a Giants safety...you realize this right? It's on par with Reed's season.

Ok

what was the first joke? The facts?

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Ok

Yes, he does. In 10 games mind you. Am I missing something? Did tackles and sacks suddenly not become important?

in the twilight zone? Holy shit.

With Reed that year than you don't know a thing about Reed.

INTs can get a guy overrated fast.

A few years ago, all Stevie Brown needed was 2 sacks and he would have been "on par with Reed" right?

The joke is comparing Collins play this year with Reeds play in his best year. That's a joke. To anybody outside of the NYG fan base.

Facts? That's another joke.

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With Reed that year than you don't know a thing about Reed. INTs can get a guy overrated fast. A few years ago, all Stevie Brown needed was 2 sacks and he would have been "on par with Reed" right?

Dude, no offense but you are off your rocker right now. If that's the case, than it makes Collins' season even better compared to Reed's. If you say INTs are overrated, he had MORE of them than Collins...but Collins is going to destroy that tackles mark and probably get a few more sacks. Aren't you proving our point?

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With Reed that year than you don't know a thing about Reed. INTs can get a guy overrated fast. A few years ago, all Stevie Brown needed was 2 sacks and he would have been "on par with Reed" right?

Except for the fact that it's not the interceptions that are making him stand out, lol. Many on this thread alone have even mentioned that "if he can get some more interceptions"...You are completely lost, for someone that fancies himself as always being the smartest guy in the room.

What a strange thread to bring out your ridiculous radar impersonation.

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The joke is comparing Collins play this year with Reeds play in his best year. That's a joke. To anybody outside of the NYG fan base. Facts? That's another joke.

Collins might get DPOY, just like Reed did that season. Is that a joke? What the fuck is going on.

let's just say for shits and giggles that Collins wasn't out performing Reed in those categories already (which he is)...you're basically saying that it's impossible for Collins to be as good as Reed, which is so utterly ignorant in your football analysis. In that same vein, nobody would ever be as good as Randy Moss. Well, we have the guy on our team who is.