Landon Collins vs. Ed Reed (2004 MVP season)

me saying that Collins will be as good as Reed one day. But to say it's a "joke" when literally, he's out performing him by a good margin in multiple categories...is absolutely ludicrous. I can't believe you're defending your stance.

Your welcome the guy struggling here. No offense but that last post was fulll of nonsense.

The only reason people are saying he's having an "all time season" and comparing it to Reeds best is his 5 INTs. While he is having an excellent season comparing him to Reeds best makes it clear he's severely overrated by some.

I thought the Player of the Year stuff was overrating his play. Hell, as far as Giant defenders go he's probably 5th most valuable. I'd take the play of both DEs and CBs over Collins.

All 4 are more valuable and better players.

Collins is having a great year, but I think the DPOY talk is premature.

were right about Coleman vs Treadwell (so far at least...) but man, you're way off base here.

In comment 13230895 KWALL2 said:

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Hell, as far as Giant defenders go he's probably 5th most valuable. I'd take the play of both DEs and CBs over Collins. All 4 are more valuable and better players.

5th most valuable????? Dude leads the team in sacks, tackles, and INTs!!!!

the most valuable defender in the LEAGUE right now, let alone his own team. Jesus.

I guess not because a comparison based on those stats is absurd. Ed Reed took away the deep ball. Collins has had some fortuitous INTs. Huge difference.

Collins isn't close to Reed. Its that simple.

You can go on projecting INTs and sacks or overrating stats for defenders.

picks are not just meaningless end of half or game hail mary picks. They are game sealing or game changing picks. No one is comparing him as a player to Reed, but right now what defensive player has meant more this year to their defense then Collins?

me think you haven't watched a single Giants game this season.

but it's not in the same ballpark as Ed Reed's 2004. Reed simply has a better nose for the ball, and is better with the ball in his hands than Collins.

In comment 13230903 chris r said:

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I guess not because a comparison based on those stats is absurd. Ed Reed took away the deep ball. Collins has had some fortuitous INTs. Huge difference.

OK, so now his picks are fortuitous. What's next? Half his tackles are just pure luck? He's just...there?

If all 5 are on the open market right now he's he last guy getting signed. The NFL would pay all 4 more $$$.

He isn't in consideration for league MVP outside of this thread. DPOY stuff is out of line too.

His stats may wind up better than a guy like Polanski when he won awards but again his play right now doesn't come close.

He's been excellent but his play is getting overrated right. Ow. That's clear to me with the DPOY talk, MVP, and now the he's on par with Reeds best.

Collins is a really really good player with a potential to be great? Just maybe? Or are we not allowed to think that? You'd think a guy who was the best defender in the SEC most of his career and having a season like this already in his 2nd year would get a bit more respect.

Sorry about typo

Everybody agrees he's having an excellent year.

Some don't honk it compares to all time greats. That isn't about a lack of respect.

In comment 13230922 KWALL2 said:

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Everybody agrees he's having an excellent year. Some don't honk it compares to all time greats. That isn't about a lack of respect.

That was about his "fortuitous INTs" and downplaying his tackles and sacks, which apparently seem to not matter when it's a Giant making them.

but it's not on par with Reed 2004, he was otherwordly in a way not seen before for a S.

That Collins is being mentioned in the same sentence as Reed is good enough for me. He's all over the field. Makes big plays. Hits hard. Sure tackler. Pumps up the defense. We haven't had a safety playing at this level since Sam Garnes!

How can you say DRC has been more valuable when he doesn't even start and plays half the snaps apple and jenkins play?

I can see your point about the other 3 since they play premium positions. But no one in the nfl I'd taking DRC over collins right now.

In comment 13230925 JonC said:

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but it's not on par with Reed 2004, he was otherwordly in a way not seen before for a S.

Agreed. Collins is an All Pro this year.

But...

Ed Reed routinely altered field position in a huge way while also
being the best safety in the game and providing coverage and the ability to cover ground that Collins can't.

It's not a knock on Collins to say he isn't anything close to Ed Reed, great season and all.

Collins is a SS who plays in the box. Of course Collins is going to have more tackles.

Also safeties are not like DEs who rush the QB on every passing play. Sacks for a safety are more a function of how many times the DC decides to blitz them.

Collins is a very good player who's having an outstanding year, but he's nowhere close to the player that Reed was.

I like Collins, he's a solid young player getting better. But Ed Reed is one of the all time greats to play the game. Reed could, and often did, change a game on any play. If you make an all time NFL defensive backfield, Ed Reed is on the team. Collins is not.

Ed Reed the former captain at the U and a HOF er is unlikely to be trumped by our resident hero Mr Collins. But I am sure glad we got Collins playing today instead of a some of the busts that have been masquerading as S the past few years

In comment 13230569 Mike in Long Beach said:

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If LT was the last NFL MVP and JJ Watt couldn't sniff it in recent years, don't see any DB getting it for a long, long time.

But I'd be shocked if he garnered an MVP vote.

They prove you are taking away the ball but in order to get INTs the opposing QB has to have the confidence to throw it.

You see how Richard Sherman's INTs dropped once he became an established star and much the same for the other Seahawk DBs. Doesn't make them any less good.

In comment 13230867 ryanmkeane said:

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what was the first joke? The facts?

lmao i laughed at that one

Stevie Brown had 8 INT's (for 307 return yards) in just 11 games started with 76 total tackles and 2 forced fumbles. Those are great stats and yet nobody was comparing him to Ed Reed or suggesting him for DPOY.

p.s.-- Landon Collins isn't even the defensive MVP on the Giants, let alone the league. That's Janoris Jenkins. And the Giants could weather the loss of Collins better than they could weather the loss of JPP and Olivier Vernon, too. Collins has been playing some good ball, but it's not as if it's been mistake-free. Call me after the games against Pittsburgh and Dallas, not following a string of games versus Baltimore, LA, Philly, Cincy, and Chicago.