and I'm not sure why he was forcing it downfield to Lewis so much. Seemed weird.
I didn't like how much they were forcing the run in the second half, but they were clearly leaning on the defense.
You can get away with wasting possessions forcing the run (to no avail) vs the Browns. McAdoo can't afford that shit over the final 5 weeks.
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Missed Beckham on the first series, he had two yards on Haden down the sideline, good throw a TD. Later, Haden got
away with a PI, BUT Eli was late throwing the ball.
Eli had a bad first quarter, this offense leaves a lot
to be desired right now. They were outgained by the Brownies. Thankfully the defense showed up, another win.
Now it will get interesting the rest of the way.
We didn't have bad Eli, and maybe the wind was pushing the ball around, but some ugly passes thrown today. Just inconsistent with the ball, especially deep. Seems the only one capable of making the catch deep is Cruz.
Lewis will only catch one ball per game - the rest clunk off his facemask. So get him his on catch and get him off the field.
There is nothing more useless than a DT dropping into coverage instead of rushing - unless Eli is throwing a pass. He seems to find him.
Holding call on Herzlich on OBJ's punt return was pretty poor IMHO.
JPP is getting paid. He'll be getting OV money by somebody. I hope it is the Giants, but $30 mill for 2 DE's???
Matt Millen is awful.
RE: RE: I hope OBJ's return for a (nullified) TD doesn't encourage coaches
To keep him returning punts. I don't care what the trade off is, not worth the risk
That was my first thought too. Maybe in a playoff game or something but not now.
McAdoo asked about that... Said OBJ is "electric" on the return & you want to put the ball in your best players hands... I really hope that's not an indication they'll keep him back there.
in the skill positions. Perkins has a nice change of pace and Sheppard isn't slow but there's not much pace. If we could threaten to take the top off the defense or seriously attack the seam then it'd open up so much more.
Lineman and a big receiver and te and back have to be addressed in offseason. Much bigger though is Mcadoo calling plays. He's not good. Maybe he needs to give up calling games and it will pick up....
Glad the d is awesome. It's going to get better as time goes on .....
RE: RE: RE: I hope OBJ's return for a (nullified) TD doesn't encourage coaches
To keep him returning punts. I don't care what the trade off is, not worth the risk
That was my first thought too. Maybe in a playoff game or something but not now.
McAdoo asked about that... Said OBJ is "electric" on the return & you want to put the ball in your best players hands... I really hope that's not an indication they'll keep him back there.
I don't think the Sehorn debacle will ever be erased from fans' minds.
another rough game, penalty, long completion, and another
penalty on a punt return. Since Perkins had a penalty on
the same punt return, Browns took the one on Perkins.
It was a run down the sideline by ODB, not the 'TD'.
(Herz had the penalty on the punt return TD, that wasn't).
I hope Apple is okay, but I didn't mind he was off the field
late in the game. Too many rookie mistakes with him.
I know he's a rookie, might cost them at some point.
on with Shepard. This was the type of game he should've ran wild in. He's an NFL player but he's not having the impact you'd expect after all the hype.
But who knows- part of it is McAdoo.
Try to look at it from an opposing team viewpoint for a second....
To keep him returning punts. I don't care what the trade off is, not worth the risk
That was my first thought too. Maybe in a playoff game or something but not now.
McAdoo asked about that... Said OBJ is "electric" on the return & you want to put the ball in your best players hands... I really hope that's not an indication they'll keep him back there.
I don't think the Sehorn debacle will ever be erased from fans' minds.
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I know huh....Harris has had 3 muffs, and now Rainey had one, no surprise with Rainey. Doesn't Antonio Brown return
punts for the Steelers? I want somebody who can catch
the damn ball, first and foremost.
To keep him returning punts. I don't care what the trade off is, not worth the risk
That was my first thought too. Maybe in a playoff game or something but not now.
McAdoo asked about that... Said OBJ is "electric" on the return & you want to put the ball in your best players hands... I really hope that's not an indication they'll keep him back there.
I don't think the Sehorn debacle will ever be erased from fans' minds.
Honestly... NO. But thats not it. When you have a FA signed mostly, if not totally to be a returner, thats an unnecessary risk for the best player the team has had since LT
The No call on OBJ was infuriating the as was BS call on his punt
return . We gifted them with Raniny's fumbled punt and the ref,s crap calls .
We really need to get Pugh and Newhouse back we had 13
total 1st downs and the TOP was ridiculous seldom do we have game controlling drives we still can't run the damn ball.
Thankfully the Browns mad enough mistakes and the Defense
Bailed the team out . No patsies the rest of the way .
Next three games against division leaders then two road
games vs division foes . I was mystified late when were at
or near the 50 needing 5-6 yards and we throw 3 deep throws
JPP and Snacks were money ..
and I'm not sure why he was forcing it downfield to Lewis so much. Seemed weird.
I didn't like how much they were forcing the run in the second half, but they were clearly leaning on the defense.
I think it may have just been a matter of trying to back the D off the line, since the running game wasn't doing it.
This guy gets it. This team is still Eli, Beckham and not much else. Eli and McAdoo have been doing all sorts of shit to keep defenses honest and manufacture offense.
Just keep grinding on offense. If Harris is getting healthier, I think he should take some reps away from Cruz and Lewis on the outside. We could use a physical presence to complement OBJ and Shepard. Add in Pugh and Vereen down the stretch and pray that's enough.
I would hardly call Apple's "block in the back" a penalty
On the first drive, no doubt. That throw he has to make. But when your 2nd and 3rd and long. Your defense is playing well. They always go into a shell.
Look at the first three plays of the 2nd half. Draw to jennings, screen to jennings, draw to jrnnings.
Just keep grinding on offense. If Harris is getting healthier, I think he should take some reps away from Cruz and Lewis on the outside. We could use a physical presence to complement OBJ and Shepard. Add in Pugh and Vereen down the stretch and pray that's enough.
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Shepard wasn't targeted once, one touch on end around.
Cruz can't get separation playing on the outside.
You have two slot receivers here now.
during the return...nor would I have called Perkins's...it was some ticky tack bullshit. I wouldn't even have called Herzlich's.
Refs called them, all that is relevant.
Whether psople think it is ticky tack, is not relevant.
Folks whine about officials after every game I have noticed!
Agree. Those were soft calls, almost like the refs were trying to keep the game competitive.
Yep, I love Victor but he's not a good outside receiver.
We beat them by 2 TDs. Regardless of records, these things are never a given. As I am writing this the Patriots trail the Jets 10-0. They had a job today, they did it. 8-3 with a balling defense and an offense that I still believe has higher upside than they've shown. The NFL is wide open. Tampa is housing the Seahawks early on today, we would actually have the 2nd best record in the NFC if that holds (even though it doesn't work that way seeding wise). I'm just happy that the team is in this position after being down the way we have for a few years. You appreciate things more and I find it tough to nitpick wins like this
On the first drive, no doubt. That throw he has to make. But when your 2nd and 3rd and long. Your defense is playing well. They always go into a shell.
Look at the first three plays of the 2nd half. Draw to jennings, screen to jennings, draw to jrnnings.
Unreal.
And they were in long down/distance a fair number of times because he was awful on the deep throw.
And you're also conveniently forgetting that Eli checks out of a lot of plays. So just stop with this "Eli had the ball taken out of his hands" nonsense...
and the one "good" thing about being in these knock down, drag out ugly games rather than some pretty blow out types. As the season moves along, games get tighter and not as clean, particularly in the playoffs. The Giants are used to playing in these, and have been winning these. Teams who are used to taking big leads and enjoying everything go their way, tend to panic when they are in tight games. Look at the Packers vs. the Giants in the 2011 playoffs. When things started to not go their way, they fell apart. This isn't the NFL from 20-30 years ago. A 15-1 or 14-2 team now is not as dominant as a team with that record in the 1980s. There really is little difference between a 15-1 and 10-6 or 9-7 team.
For the Giants, just get in the "tournament" as Parcells used to say, and take your chances.
be any problem with Beckham returning punts. He had over 100 yds on returns w/o the penalties...He's not Sehorn and its punts not kickoffs.
I was very critical of OBJ defending the Hail Mary but I agree there should be little concern with him returning punts. He can take the ball to the house every time he touches it so you get him the touches and enjoy the show.
of course this offense has a higher upside. a lot higher. If they get their act together, this is a team to reckon with. the problem is that there's limited reason for confidence that they'll get their act together. all year, they've been meh at best.
RE: Yep, I love Victor but he's not a good outside receiver.
up the Browns. The Browns had way too much time to throw and the Giants got burned more than once. The offense is going to have to play much, much better in the next 5 games other wise the playoffs could be a distant memory!
a big bodied WR in the first 3 rounds plz, along with an OL!
I would also like to see another pass rushing D Lineman.
That's what I would like to see, long way to there though.
I've got a feeling they are going to have to make a choice
between JPP, and Hankins. Just a gut feeling.
On the first drive, no doubt. That throw he has to make. But when your 2nd and 3rd and long. Your defense is playing well. They always go into a shell.
Look at the first three plays of the 2nd half. Draw to jennings, screen to jennings, draw to jrnnings.
Unreal.
And they were in long down/distance a fair number of times because he was awful on the deep throw.
And you're also conveniently forgetting that Eli checks out of a lot of plays. So just stop with this "Eli had the ball taken out of his hands" nonsense...
I would try to explain why he audibles into a run but I am not sure you would understand.
And can you give a precise number of times he has audibled into a run? Sometimes he is giving a dummy call as well.
Anyone that thinks he shouldn't get the same contact Vernon did, isn't watching. Problem is some team like the Browns with 115 Million in salary cap space is going higher.
All you people who said we should cut him last year for an accident, turn in your BBI membership and never post again. You're proven idiots.
take the win and be happy with the 8-3 mark, but dont be fooled by it.
they are still a flawed team, mainly in the OL. They cant run, and now they have a problem at kicker too.
I agree with David in LA and others that too much is being made of Vereen's return. Perkins can catch it too, and he's a much better runner. I don't want to see Perkins give up reps for Vereen
there isn't a chance (unless you have really bad vision) you see a HOF QB.
Eli was directly responsible for a lot of bad plays.
As with most of the year, the D was more responsible than the O for a win.
Blame everyone else all you want, Eli is marginally more part of the problem than part of the solution these days.
i think this is one of those things where we are all going to see what we want to see and nothing more. In my case, I see Eli covering for a lot of suck around him, whether in his receiver ability and separation, routes being run, time in the pocket, and even the running game. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and he looks bad while minimizing everyone else's suck. Interspersed with that are failures due to him which are the same failures that everyone else, Brady, his brother, whoever also had. He's not worse than them or than he himself ever was, but he can't always cover for everyone else.
RE: take the win and be happy with the 8-3 mark, but dont be fooled by it.
they are still a flawed team, mainly in the OL. They cant run, and now they have a problem at kicker too.
I agree with David in LA and others that too much is being made of Vereen's return. Perkins can catch it too, and he's a much better runner. I don't want to see Perkins give up reps for Vereen
Vereen was responsible for two costly turnovers the past two Skins games.
the hill gets steeper now and cannot count of the defense to set us up to win games with better opponents. Not sure why this offense is hot and cold but needs consistency to get beyond the rest of the opponents on our schedule.
RE: RE: Yep, I love Victor but he's not a good outside receiver.
As great as Dallas has been (and we beat them), check the numbers opposing QBs have against them this season. Everyone is imperfect. The Giants certainly are as well, but that held true in 2007 and 2011 as well. I'm it saying lightning will strike a 3rd time, but at this moment in time as we enter December a potential SB run is no more improbable than it was at this time in those 2 seasons
there isn't a chance (unless you have really bad vision) you see a HOF QB.
Eli was directly responsible for a lot of bad plays.
As with most of the year, the D was more responsible than the O for a win.
Blame everyone else all you want, Eli is marginally more part of the problem than part of the solution these days.
i think this is one of those things where we are all going to see what we want to see and nothing more. In my case, I see Eli covering for a lot of suck around him, whether in his receiver ability and separation, routes being run, time in the pocket, and even the running game. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and he looks bad while minimizing everyone else's suck. Interspersed with that are failures due to him which are the same failures that everyone else, Brady, his brother, whoever also had. He's not worse than them or than he himself ever was, but he can't always cover for everyone else.
I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing it this way. Nice to see you, and others, with the same view.
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and I'm not sure why he was forcing it downfield to Lewis so much. Seemed weird.
I didn't like how much they were forcing the run in the second half, but they were clearly leaning on the defense.
You can get away with wasting possessions forcing the run (to no avail) vs the Browns. McAdoo can't afford that shit over the final 5 weeks.
Missed Beckham on the first series, he had two yards on Haden down the sideline, good throw a TD. Later, Haden got
away with a PI, BUT Eli was late throwing the ball.
Eli had a bad first quarter, this offense leaves a lot
to be desired right now. They were outgained by the Brownies. Thankfully the defense showed up, another win.
Now it will get interesting the rest of the way.
Lewis will only catch one ball per game - the rest clunk off his facemask. So get him his on catch and get him off the field.
There is nothing more useless than a DT dropping into coverage instead of rushing - unless Eli is throwing a pass. He seems to find him.
Holding call on Herzlich on OBJ's punt return was pretty poor IMHO.
JPP is getting paid. He'll be getting OV money by somebody. I hope it is the Giants, but $30 mill for 2 DE's???
Matt Millen is awful.
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To keep him returning punts. I don't care what the trade off is, not worth the risk
That was my first thought too. Maybe in a playoff game or something but not now.
McAdoo asked about that... Said OBJ is "electric" on the return & you want to put the ball in your best players hands... I really hope that's not an indication they'll keep him back there.
the ball was taken out of his hands once we had the lead in the 2nd half. Mind you we have 1 receiver who gets open.
WTF?? It was a ONE possession game until midway through the 4th; how is a big enough lead that "the ball was taken out of his hands"?
And plenty of guys were open today, Eli either over or under threw them...
Glad the d is awesome. It's going to get better as time goes on .....
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To keep him returning punts. I don't care what the trade off is, not worth the risk
That was my first thought too. Maybe in a playoff game or something but not now.
McAdoo asked about that... Said OBJ is "electric" on the return & you want to put the ball in your best players hands... I really hope that's not an indication they'll keep him back there.
I don't think the Sehorn debacle will ever be erased from fans' minds.
penalty on a punt return. Since Perkins had a penalty on
the same punt return, Browns took the one on Perkins.
It was a run down the sideline by ODB, not the 'TD'.
(Herz had the penalty on the punt return TD, that wasn't).
I hope Apple is okay, but I didn't mind he was off the field
late in the game. Too many rookie mistakes with him.
I know he's a rookie, might cost them at some point.
But who knows- part of it is McAdoo.
You know you've got to stop Beckham Jr, it's your number one priority....
Outside of that, who scares you? Who is going to beat you that you really need to worry about? Sheppard I guess would be next.
After that, it's a long, long dropoff.
That's what we're dealing with. No running game, no TE that can make you pay... It's not a lot to work with.
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To keep him returning punts. I don't care what the trade off is, not worth the risk
That was my first thought too. Maybe in a playoff game or something but not now.
McAdoo asked about that... Said OBJ is "electric" on the return & you want to put the ball in your best players hands... I really hope that's not an indication they'll keep him back there.
I don't think the Sehorn debacle will ever be erased from fans' minds.
I know huh....Harris has had 3 muffs, and now Rainey had one, no surprise with Rainey. Doesn't Antonio Brown return
punts for the Steelers? I want somebody who can catch
the damn ball, first and foremost.
Audition kickers this week Mac, gave Gould a pass last game.
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To keep him returning punts. I don't care what the trade off is, not worth the risk
That was my first thought too. Maybe in a playoff game or something but not now.
McAdoo asked about that... Said OBJ is "electric" on the return & you want to put the ball in your best players hands... I really hope that's not an indication they'll keep him back there.
I don't think the Sehorn debacle will ever be erased from fans' minds.
Honestly... NO. But thats not it. When you have a FA signed mostly, if not totally to be a returner, thats an unnecessary risk for the best player the team has had since LT
return . We gifted them with Raniny's fumbled punt and the ref,s crap calls .
We really need to get Pugh and Newhouse back we had 13
total 1st downs and the TOP was ridiculous seldom do we have game controlling drives we still can't run the damn ball.
Thankfully the Browns mad enough mistakes and the Defense
Bailed the team out . No patsies the rest of the way .
Next three games against division leaders then two road
games vs division foes . I was mystified late when were at
or near the 50 needing 5-6 yards and we throw 3 deep throws
JPP and Snacks were money ..
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and I'm not sure why he was forcing it downfield to Lewis so much. Seemed weird.
I didn't like how much they were forcing the run in the second half, but they were clearly leaning on the defense.
I think it may have just been a matter of trying to back the D off the line, since the running game wasn't doing it.
This guy gets it. This team is still Eli, Beckham and not much else. Eli and McAdoo have been doing all sorts of shit to keep defenses honest and manufacture offense.
Look at the first three plays of the 2nd half. Draw to jennings, screen to jennings, draw to jrnnings.
Unreal.
Agree. Those were soft calls, almost like the refs were trying to keep the game competitive.
Shepard wasn't targeted once, one touch on end around.
Cruz can't get separation playing on the outside.
You have two slot receivers here now.
Eli was directly responsible for a lot of bad plays.
As with most of the year, the D was more responsible than the O for a win.
Blame everyone else all you want, Eli is marginally more part of the problem than part of the solution these days.
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during the return...nor would I have called Perkins's...it was some ticky tack bullshit. I wouldn't even have called Herzlich's.
Refs called them, all that is relevant.
Whether psople think it is ticky tack, is not relevant.
Folks whine about officials after every game I have noticed!
Agree. Those were soft calls, almost like the refs were trying to keep the game competitive.
Look at the first three plays of the 2nd half. Draw to jennings, screen to jennings, draw to jrnnings.
Unreal.
And they were in long down/distance a fair number of times because he was awful on the deep throw.
And you're also conveniently forgetting that Eli checks out of a lot of plays. So just stop with this "Eli had the ball taken out of his hands" nonsense...
For the Giants, just get in the "tournament" as Parcells used to say, and take your chances.
I was very critical of OBJ defending the Hail Mary but I agree there should be little concern with him returning punts. He can take the ball to the house every time he touches it so you get him the touches and enjoy the show.
Yet, he's the only one making the deep catches. He was open twice more and Eli was inaccurate. I think there may have been more wind than we think.
Also, on OBJ's 2nd TD, Cruz was triple covered, a CB, a Safety and LB on him off the line.
Please no more to Lewis deep. He is flat awful.
I would also like to see another pass rushing D Lineman.
That's what I would like to see, long way to there though.
I've got a feeling they are going to have to make a choice
between JPP, and Hankins. Just a gut feeling.
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On the first drive, no doubt. That throw he has to make. But when your 2nd and 3rd and long. Your defense is playing well. They always go into a shell.
Look at the first three plays of the 2nd half. Draw to jennings, screen to jennings, draw to jrnnings.
Unreal.
And they were in long down/distance a fair number of times because he was awful on the deep throw.
And you're also conveniently forgetting that Eli checks out of a lot of plays. So just stop with this "Eli had the ball taken out of his hands" nonsense...
I would try to explain why he audibles into a run but I am not sure you would understand.
And can you give a precise number of times he has audibled into a run? Sometimes he is giving a dummy call as well.
Watched a lot of other games in the bar.
Seems like every team has two TEs who catch a passel of passes in the middle of the field
Like to see the Jints use their TEs more
All you people who said we should cut him last year for an accident, turn in your BBI membership and never post again. You're proven idiots.
I agree with David in LA and others that too much is being made of Vereen's return. Perkins can catch it too, and he's a much better runner. I don't want to see Perkins give up reps for Vereen
Eli was directly responsible for a lot of bad plays.
As with most of the year, the D was more responsible than the O for a win.
Blame everyone else all you want, Eli is marginally more part of the problem than part of the solution these days.
I agree with David in LA and others that too much is being made of Vereen's return. Perkins can catch it too, and he's a much better runner. I don't want to see Perkins give up reps for Vereen
Vereen was responsible for two costly turnovers the past two Skins games.
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Just not his game. But I give him credit for being clutch this season.
Yet, he's the only one making the deep catches. He was open twice more and Eli was inaccurate. I think there may have been more wind than we think.
Also, on OBJ's 2nd TD, Cruz was triple covered, a CB, a Safety and LB on him off the line.
Please no more to Lewis deep. He is flat awful.
The deep balls today were on Eli. I didn't see Lewis blow any catches today.
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there isn't a chance (unless you have really bad vision) you see a HOF QB.
Eli was directly responsible for a lot of bad plays.
As with most of the year, the D was more responsible than the O for a win.
Blame everyone else all you want, Eli is marginally more part of the problem than part of the solution these days.
i think this is one of those things where we are all going to see what we want to see and nothing more. In my case, I see Eli covering for a lot of suck around him, whether in his receiver ability and separation, routes being run, time in the pocket, and even the running game. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and he looks bad while minimizing everyone else's suck. Interspersed with that are failures due to him which are the same failures that everyone else, Brady, his brother, whoever also had. He's not worse than them or than he himself ever was, but he can't always cover for everyone else.
I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing it this way. Nice to see you, and others, with the same view.