This was the 31st ranked defense and for large portions of the game our attack was non-existent. It seems we have totally removed the
Mid-range pass from our game. When we finally went there with Odell in the fourth quarter it was for a big gain. Our playbook seems limited to very short routes and deep go routes. Our running game is almost non-existent until the fourth quarter where it picks up for a bit. Given that I think we have a defense that could allow us to make a run, we need to expand the playbook on offense. I am not going to get into adjectives, whether we are a good, bad, or average team. We are 8-3 and that is the bottom line. What I do know, though, is that I would rank our five opponents accounting for home/away
Home-Lions
Away-Philly
Away-Washington
Away-Pittsburgh
Home-Dallas
in that order and I am not sure we would be favored to win any game except the Lions (and that would be a toss up) and we need two. So, we need to improve on offense significantly to go 2-3 or 3-2. I think this just the reality of the situation.
We ain't running against them.
Eli is still under a ton of pressure. He gets the ball off but he has zero time. He doesn't get to set and go through his progressions almost ever. We desperately need Pugh back and if it was my team I would make some major changes to shake things up although I know that will never happen. Still... Pugh should help immensely.
Penalties -- WTF!? can we not with the facemasks and holding calls. The Giants can beat any team.....but themselves.
We ain't running against them.
This is not your usual Steelers defense. They aren't that good.
296 yards against the Browns, the 31st ranked team in the league. We couldn't get an insurance score despite 5 tries last week?? Our offense looked probably worse in the MIN/GB games but MIN has a good defense and Eli was just off in the GB game. Eli didn't play well today but the explanations in week 4/5 (good defense, work in progress, bad game) are easier to digest earlier in the year. Our offense has been inept for a long time and it is a concern and not an odd time to bring up.
The defense is definitely the stronger unit at this point. The offense is still pretty lackluster aside from Beckham. I don't really know if majority of the blame should be laid at the feet of Eli or McAdoo's. The lack of a running game and TE in the passing game is as much a by-product of the scheme as it is with talent.
Now that the also-ran's of the schedule are over, let's see how good this team really is.
Penalties -- WTF!? can we not with the facemasks and holding calls. The Giants can beat any team.....but themselves.
I don't know but he was 10/14 in the first half. Not horrible by any means.
More of a problem was bad playcalling.
Eli is still making some pretty impressive throws when he has time and he's generally giving us enough. It just seems like they are in some sort of max protect 3-second drop offense that requires Eli to get the ball off immediately and its stripped the playbook of most of its plays. It's only gotten worse with all the injuries the last couple of weeks IMO.
I think you have to at least add the context of how many short fields the offense had today due to the defense and special teams. Not saying there weren't moments today where some frustration might be justified, but on balance, quoting just the yardage seems misleading.
an almost 8 minute differential in TOP .
TE 1 Target ? and still can't run the ball we need Pugh
Newhouse and Jones back .
Why bother activating Larry D and not use King .
Its Odell or bust .....we almost need to start Harris this
three slot receiver set up is not gonna get it done .
I still feel Davis should have been utilized early on I
don't give a shit what anyone thinks he had the size
to help . he is gone now . I'm not saying he is some all star but I would bet dollars to donuts he would have helped
moving the chains . Its so much better winning after the last few years but with no running game Eli has one hand
tied behind his back .
3 TDs and 0 picks is bad Eli? That throw to Cruz down the sideline might have been one of the best throws Ive ever seen a QB make. Shades of Manningham in our last SuperBowl.
We ain't running against them.
This is very disturbing.
Dont understand all the long passes
Eli had time to throw today.
Where are the intermediate crossing routes?
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296 yards against the Browns, the 31st ranked team in the league.
I think you have to at least add the context of how many short fields the offense had today due to the defense and special teams. Not saying there weren't moments today where some frustration might be justified, but on balance, quoting just the yardage seems misleading.
Is 13 first downs with 296 total yards misleading based on field position and special teams. Besides the fumble we squandered good field position. Our best drives were the two long drives leading to OBJ Tds.
... they sort of did. You should check out Eli's extension. It ... wasn't cheap.
While I dont disagree, is an o-line that has Beatty-Pugh-Richburg-Jones-Flowers a bad line?? Is a RB stable lead by Perkins and backed up by Jennings with Vereen as the third down back a bad stable of backs? Is Tye and Adams a bad TE combo if Eli had a little time? I genuinely don't know.
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Our D needs knock out Ben cause
We ain't running against them.
. Pittsburghs defense is awful.
So is/was Cleveland's defense. The NYG might struggle to move it consistently on Alabama.
The reality is, until the NYG upgrade the OL and TE's (which won't happen until next spring), this is what our offense is. We're going to struggle and look downright ugly most of the time. Until now, we have a defense playing extremely well. Can that continue? That's a big ask, considering we are stepping up in competition the rest of the way.
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so much Eli and Odell can do. The offense has three below average position groups: offensive line, tight ends, and running backs. And the wide receivers are a one man show most weeks. You can win with this defense in the playoffs but the offense is lacking enough talent to put theses games away - and that's on Reese.
While I dont disagree, is an o-line that has Beatty-Pugh-Richburg-Jones-Flowers a bad line?? Is a RB stable lead by Perkins and backed up by Jennings with Vereen as the third down back a bad stable of backs? Is Tye and Adams a bad TE combo if Eli had a little time? I genuinely don't know.
I can give you the offensive line might better than some on here would allow for, but the RBs/TEs are not very promising. I think Tye is reliable and have no idea what Adams will become, but they don't add much at the moment. Our RBs are awful. I mean our closet available RB to 4YPc is Darkwa and he can't even see the field
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Our D needs knock out Ben cause
We ain't running against them.
. Pittsburghs defense is awful.
So is/was Cleveland's defense. The NYG might struggle to move it consistently on Alabama.
The reality is, until the NYG upgrade the OL and TE's (which won't happen until next spring), this is what our offense is. We're going to struggle and look downright ugly most of the time. Until now, we have a defense playing extremely well. Can that continue? That's a big ask, considering we are stepping up in competition the rest of the way.
How do you figure when our best offensive lineman has been out for almost a month? Our o-line will undoubtedly improve if even at only one position.
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so much Eli and Odell can do. The offense has three below average position groups: offensive line, tight ends, and running backs. And the wide receivers are a one man show most weeks. You can win with this defense in the playoffs but the offense is lacking enough talent to put theses games away - and that's on Reese.
While I dont disagree, is an o-line that has Beatty-Pugh-Richburg-Jones-Flowers a bad line?? Is a RB stable lead by Perkins and backed up by Jennings with Vereen as the third down back a bad stable of backs? Is Tye and Adams a bad TE combo if Eli had a little time? I genuinely don't know.
I can give you the offensive line might better than some on here would allow for, but the RBs/TEs are not very promising. I think Tye is reliable and have no idea what Adams will become, but they don't add much at the moment. Our RBs are awful. I mean our closet available RB to 4YPc is Darkwa and he can't even see the field
Well, Ill give you that but it seems to me that a lot of that is predicated on the line. If the line did improve like you mentioned I believe our run game would improve. If Eli had a few more seconds he would find his TE more. Vereen coming back soon should help regardless.
They have spurts of big plays, then for long periods look as though they never stepped foot on to a field.
There's obvious breakdowns on OL by 1 guy or another for a period of time. Injuries lately haven't helped with the continuity and reshuffling at times.
Eli hits for some inexplicable reason rough stretches and then can pin point a passes for a stretch.
just too sloppy at times and inconsistent. Not asking for perfection, but more consistency in good play.
They HAVE TO no other way around it, clean up fast because these teams ahead WILL take advantage of it.
I am not an OL expert by any means but he doesn't seem to move his feet in protection. He floats with the pass rusher is what I see. As far as run blocking...ehh..with this Oline no one stands out as good IMO.
I'm very happy with the win but the offensive woes against the Browns is frustrating.
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Our D needs knock out Ben cause
We ain't running against them.
. Pittsburghs defense is awful.
So is/was Cleveland's defense. The NYG might struggle to move it consistently on Alabama.
The reality is, until the NYG upgrade the OL and TE's (which won't happen until next spring), this is what our offense is. We're going to struggle and look downright ugly most of the time. Until now, we have a defense playing extremely well. Can that continue? That's a big ask, considering we are stepping up in competition the rest of the way.
How do you figure when our best offensive lineman has been out for almost a month? Our o-line will undoubtedly improve if even at only one position.
Let's not forget, the OL was trash even when Pugh was healthy. He's very good. The other guys? Not so much.
We won the game...doesn't matter the record of the opponent or the offensive/defensive rankings. And that follows us winning the game the week before this. And that follows us winning the game before that. And that follows us winning the game before that. And that follows us winning the game before that. And that follows us winning the game before that.
That's not really a terrible thing.
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we did today the Giants should they make the playoffs will be an early exit team. The run game is so bad, is there nothing they can do to fix it?
3 TDs and 0 picks is bad Eli? That throw to Cruz down the sideline might have been one of the best throws Ive ever seen a QB make. Shades of Manningham in our last SuperBowl.
It wasn't bad Eli, but it wasn't good. He made one good deep throw. Millen was completely wrong blaming Cruz on another deep route that was open. Eli threw the ball out of bounds - Cruz had plenty of cushion to the outside. The ball was thrown too far outside. He caught it a yard O/B...that wasn't the receivers fault.
On top of that he was short on two or three others. Eli has to make better throws. It was like he was steering it.
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we did today the Giants should they make the playoffs will be an early exit team. The run game is so bad, is there nothing they can do to fix it?
3 TDs and 0 picks is bad Eli? That throw to Cruz down the sideline might have been one of the best throws Ive ever seen a QB make. Shades of Manningham in our last SuperBowl.
It wasn't bad Eli, but it wasn't good. He made one good deep throw. Millen was completely wrong blaming Cruz on another deep route that was open. Eli threw the ball out of bounds - Cruz had plenty of cushion to the outside. The ball was thrown too far outside. He caught it a yard O/B...that wasn't the receivers fault.
On top of that he was short on two or three others. Eli has to make better throws. It was like he was steering it.
Eh... Seems to me he was still hurried and rushing most of this throws that were wild. He made some big throws. The Cruz throw wasn't the only one and at least two passes got knocked down. He's been under major pressure all year and considering that he still had 3 TDS and 0 Picks I dont know how anyone can say he had a bad game. Amazing Eli with 350+?? No. But damn good.
For now, they are winning games and that is the idea.
Every team in the league has needs,we are not far from being a big time contender.
Thanks for clarifying it was only your opinion. I know a lot of people consider you to be an insider. Are you hearing anything from Eli's camp?
I'm worried he's lost quite a bit of arm strength....which can start to show itself at the end of a long season. Last few games he's really struggled with the deep outs and long throws. He's not a kid anymore....I think it's a legit concern.
stop using the best weapon in the NFL as a decoy.
Stop saying we can't protect the QB to throw it downfield... the OL is not great but its not a detriment....
predictability is the issue
Agree.....a very good TE would be huge in this offense. Eli would have a safety valve and a guy that could help move the chains on 3rd down. We also need to consider a better RG. We need a mauler at RG. Jerry has been acceptable in passpro however, his run blocking has still been abysmal, unless he's pulling. The running game has to be improved 1st and foremost this next off season.
Much of this can be attributed to a mediocre OL that was depleted even more this week due to injuries. If Pugh and Newhouse return next week, I believe we will see improvement. I also like the "stacked" backfield we saw in the second half. With that arrangement we can get both more blocking and more deception.(winged T anyone?).
The bad tackling and missed blocks however worry me. If that continues, we are going to lose several ballgames down the stretch.
The last 3 weeks the RB's have run 73 times for 310 yards. It is getting better
Last year they ran a lot of hurry up offense - they needed to score points. Having a defense has changed some of that
Want to open things up some - run the TE's up the seam - it is there every game. Get Vereen back - he has the ability to get open in the middle of the field
Watching some of the early games this season before he was hurt, I think he looked clearly better than our other backs just rushing the ball. He managed to squirt through for some yards where the others got stuffed.
Add to that his receiver abilities (and don't think about the two lost fumbles), and I think his return along with Pugh gives us some immediate improvement.
stop using the best weapon in the NFL as a decoy.
I don't think that's the case at all. It's week 12 and he's at 65 915 6.