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This team is 8-3. 8-3!!

Danny Kanell : 11/27/2016 5:41 pm
Yet the amount of negativity on here is astounding. We're playing down to our opponents. Haven't beaten real teams, etc. Blah blah.

Reality check. We haven't been a real team in a long time. 2 straight 6-10 seasons and a 7-9 season the past 3 years.

We haven't been good enough as a franchise to be thumbing our collective noses at any wins.

Just enjoy this you lunatics.
i support this thread  
Justlurking : 11/27/2016 5:45 pm : link
Lets win a fucking Super Bowl ok?
I'm very happy  
hassan : 11/27/2016 5:50 pm : link
This team is this good record wise. It's misleading though. Nothing wrong with enjoying it but managing our expectations. The 2010 team was 7-4 but looked much more dominant.

We will learn a ton this last third of the year.
It always reminds me of 2000  
larryflower37 : 11/27/2016 6:04 pm : link
We were the worse 12-4 team in history.
Every week was the same.
I hate to have a negative outlook, but look at the ....  
Crispino : 11/27/2016 6:07 pm : link
next five games we have left, and tell me how many wins you see there? If we play like we played today offensively, we could lose every one of those games.

It feels like smoke and mirrors at this point. That's why all the negativity reigns. We all have eyes. We know what we've been seeing. Hopefully the offense wakes the fuck up.
just gonna leave this here  
TexasGmenFan : 11/27/2016 6:09 pm : link
as a nod to the thread i started just below this:

2007 NYG 2nd half:

@ DET: W 16-10
v. MIN: L 41-17 (the multi pick 6 game...)
@ CHI: W 21-16
@ PHI: W 16-13
v. WAS: L 22-10
@ BUF: W 38-21
v. NE: L 38-35

so until the buffalo clincher, that would be a 3-2 2nd half record, squeaking by 3 pretty shitty teams, getting annihilated at home, and laying an egg at home.

people need to realize we're 8-3 and the goal is get into the tournament. we wanna be playing our best football in a month.
Rest of schedule  
Spirit of '86 : 11/27/2016 6:11 pm : link
I do not see the Steelers, Lions or Eagles as teams to be afraid of. Can we lose to any of them? Of course. But will we lose all three? Doubtful.
The Skins are good but not great, and the we've already beaten the Cowboys away and Dak gets to play in the cold for the first time in a hostile environment.....
Giants will win three at least....
RE: I hate to have a negative outlook, but look at the ....  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2016 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13236182 Crispino said:
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next five games we have left, and tell me how many wins you see there? If we play like we played today offensively, we could lose every one of those games.

It feels like smoke and mirrors at this point. That's why all the negativity reigns. We all have eyes. We know what we've been seeing. Hopefully the offense wakes the fuck up.


I see 2-3 wins. Why should the Eagles, who we already beat handily, the Lions, or the Redskins be losses? We beat the Cowboys and the Steelers arent exactly a juggernaut either. I dont get it. We could win out looking at it realistically but split the difference I still see 2-3 wins and a 10/11 win finish.
RE: Rest of schedule  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2016 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13236194 Spirit of '86 said:
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I do not see the Steelers, Lions or Eagles as teams to be afraid of. Can we lose to any of them? Of course. But will we lose all three? Doubtful.
The Skins are good but not great, and the we've already beaten the Cowboys away and Dak gets to play in the cold for the first time in a hostile environment.....
Giants will win three at least....


I feel the same way. What is so scary about the schedule?? The Cowboys are the only team with a better record than us and we already beat them. What am I missing?
Everyone in our division  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2016 6:16 pm : link
basically has the same schedule too so strength of schedule or whatever doesn't hold a lot of merit. Everyone gets to play the Bengals and Browns.
Agree completely.  
bceagle05 : 11/27/2016 6:17 pm : link
After the last three seasons, 8-3 is a breath of fresh air. There are only a select few "real teams" in the league, and we beat one of them in their building (Dallas, obviously). Our QB and defense are championship caliber, and Beckham is a nuclear weapon. I'm just enjoying the ride.
They have an 8-3 record but they don't pass the eye test  
BestFeature : 11/27/2016 6:18 pm : link
Even our defense today got some nice flashy stats allowed over 300 yards to fucking Josh McCown. I'm not sure we'd beat any other team in the league with this effort.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/27/2016 6:21 pm : link
Getting to the playoffs would be a successful season. Two more wins and the Giants are probably in.
RE: They have an 8-3 record but they don't pass the eye test  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2016 6:22 pm : link
In comment 13236206 BestFeature said:
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Even our defense today got some nice flashy stats allowed over 300 yards to fucking Josh McCown. I'm not sure we'd beat any other team in the league with this effort.


Really? Wow. I saw a completely dominant performance by our D today. The 6 points were handed to the Browns off turnovers or stupid penalties in the first half. The big TD drive by the Browns in the second half was fueled by a miracle throw to Prior from their own endzone for almost 50 yards and then another long throw in the endzone after Jenkins slipped and he had an hour to throw(on of the only times all day). That was pretty much it for the Browns O. Yeah the Giants played a little bend but dont break in the 4th when they were up by two TDs but who cares?
RE: RE: They have an 8-3 record but they don't pass the eye test  
Steve L : 11/27/2016 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13236210 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13236206 BestFeature said:


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Even our defense today got some nice flashy stats allowed over 300 yards to fucking Josh McCown. I'm not sure we'd beat any other team in the league with this effort.



Really? Wow. I saw a completely dominant performance by our D today. The 6 points were handed to the Browns off turnovers or stupid penalties in the first half. The big TD drive by the Browns in the second half was fueled by a miracle throw to Prior from their own endzone for almost 50 yards and then another long throw in the endzone after Jenkins slipped and he had an hour to throw(on of the only times all day). That was pretty much it for the Browns O. Yeah the Giants played a little bend but dont break in the 4th when they were up by two TDs but who cares?


100% agree ^^^^

D has gelled and has played great during this winning streak. I think this whole potential playoff run depends on the offense making things happen. I'm not concerned about the defense at all.
The defense was on the field too much  
bigbluescot : 11/27/2016 6:34 pm : link
hence a couple of drives where they were ineffective. We don't really seem to rotate the DE's that much.
the giants  
gm7b5 : 11/27/2016 6:36 pm : link
always play down or up to their opponents in my lifetime. Should be an interesting december. Im pumped.
Hey, I hope you optimists are right.  
Crispino : 11/27/2016 6:42 pm : link
But the offense can't keep playing this way. Eli was really off his game today, although he threw a couple of really good balls when it mattered. I'm not sure if some of those deep balls were called or if he just made bad decisions on where to go with the ball. 2nd and 8 and he throws consecutive 40 yard incompletions. Ugh.

He has to clean up his play. Of course, we know he can get hot, and he's going to have to be more efficient over the remainder of the schedule with the running game still stalled.
New York  
charlito : 11/27/2016 6:49 pm : link
Giants will be Superbowl Champs this season.
Half of BBI didn't think this team would win 8 the whole season  
DieHard : 11/27/2016 6:52 pm : link
This is a work in progress. We've got a below-par OL, one consistently good and experienced WR, no gamebreakers at RB and TE. Yet some are acting like this season will be a failure if we somehow make the playoffs with a lousy offense. I'm sure Packers fans are bummed over us gift-wrapping them a playoff berth in 2010.

Just make the playoffs, and let the chips fall where they may. Winning breeds winning. Do it any way you can, and "find a path to victory," as McAdoo says. The Steelers scored 17 points on offense against the Browns last week and they're 6-5, yet it's a foregone conclusion we're going to lose next week? Screw that, let's bring it on.
Glad this team is 8-3.  
FStubbs : 11/27/2016 6:59 pm : link
Glad that if they crapped the bed the last two weeks they were able to win anyway against terrible Bears and Browns teams.

Hoping Pugh can come back and that will give the OL a huge jolt. And when will we be able to get anything out of Beatty? Ever?

The OL is the key. It's been so terrible the team not only can't run the ball at all, period, but can't reliably go deep.

I also want to see a third DE step up to give JPP and Vernon a break. I thought Owa looked okay against Chicago.

I'm enjoying the wins, but like it has been said, this team doesn't pass the eye test. The good news is that there's still 5 games to go.

Next week in Pittsburgh is the big test. No hiding, no cheesing, no excuses.
Oh and open tryouts for kicker please.  
FStubbs : 11/27/2016 7:00 pm : link
Robbie Gould will cost us a game if he continues.
I'm thrilled we're 8-3 and as surprised as anyone  
gmen4ever : 11/27/2016 7:00 pm : link
We don't need to win the Division, just get into the playoffs. 2 wins, with one against the Skins will position us to get into the show. I think we can do so. Very happy to be where we are, and we will play competitive football down the stretch.
So happy the Giants are 8 - 3, if the offense does not get better  
GeorgeFox : 11/27/2016 7:11 pm : link
they have a great chance of being 8 - 8! We have not see good Eli in a long time. It is true his receivers have a hard time getting open and there are small windows for Eli he has to make those throws.
By the way, don't look now  
DieHard : 11/27/2016 7:12 pm : link
But we've currently got the 2nd best record in the NFC. I know, it probably won't last, but let's not lose sight of the big picture. Just keep winning, by hook or by crook.
We also have the second best record in the NFC  
George : 11/27/2016 7:14 pm : link
But this is also a parity issue. Dallas is 10-1, we're 8-3 - and we both sucked ass last year. Our schedules are weaker than those of last year's division winners, and that will help account for our better records this year.

I'm not complaining, mind you: I've been shaving since 1976, so I've seen a lot of shitty football in my day - being 8-3 going into December is a great feeling and never gets old, no matter who we've played.

But this isn't a great team, by any measure. We'll know a lot more after we play Dallas.
RE: By the way, don't look now  
BigBlueShock : 11/27/2016 7:17 pm : link
In comment 13236355 DieHard said:
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But we've currently got the 2nd best record in the NFC. I know, it probably won't last, but let's not lose sight of the big picture. Just keep winning, by hook or by crook.

But, but, but....

They don't pass the eye test!

BBI mouth breathers.
It's not mouth breathing to temper one's expectations  
George : 11/27/2016 7:26 pm : link
This is a nice moment we're having as our flawed team plays just well enough to beat bad teams. I love being 8-3, and I know that there's no such thing as an easy win in the NFL.

But this isn't a good time to beat our chests, either. We've got five tough games to go before we know what we've really got.

It's not mouth breathing. It's hedging your bets.
The negativity is asstounding  
PatersonPlank : 11/27/2016 7:26 pm : link
We beat the Browns by the same score as the Cowboys, who all the negative nancies on here think is unbeatable.

I don't know why BBI'ers expect perfection from the Giants but not from the other teams in the league. Every team, including the Pats and Cowboys, have issues. You can pick any of them apart if you look at it from the Madden 2017 perspective.
I don't think most are beating their chests  
gmen4ever : 11/27/2016 7:30 pm : link
Its fair to state our O has not been great, and we have a lot to work on. Nonetheless, it is nice to see this team have an 8-3 record and regardless of some of our break downs, we have found a way to win the close games unlike last year. The GMEN have at the very minimum positioned themselves to have a shot at the play offs. Its a nice place for us fans to be especially given the past few years.
RE: I don't think most are beating their chests  
Danny Kanell : 11/27/2016 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13236419 gmen4ever said:
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Its fair to state our O has not been great, and we have a lot to work on. Nonetheless, it is nice to see this team have an 8-3 record and regardless of some of our break downs, we have found a way to win the close games unlike last year. The GMEN have at the very minimum positioned themselves to have a shot at the play offs. Its a nice place for us fans to be especially given the past few years.


Exactly.
People were freaking out..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/27/2016 7:34 pm : link
when we were clearly trying to minimize mistakes, run clock and pin the Browns deep as if they wanted to see 400 yards of offense and several TD's to win dominantly.

And even then, we had a punt return TD called back on a BS call, a long PI on Beckham uncalled, and we won a road game going away.

People underestimate how hard it is to win, let alone on the road. and we did it without really being threatened.
The team is not perfect  
JerryNYG : 11/27/2016 7:46 pm : link
In fact, no team is perfect in this league. What I see is a defense that is rounding into shape to be one of the better units in the league.

I see a flawed offense that is a few pieces away from being a consistently goos unit, but which has one explosive skills player and a QB who are both capable of making opposing teams pay for mistakes.

Are we going to win the Superbowl? I don't know, probably not, but it is not impossible to imagine.

I am just happy to be heading into December at 8 - 3 in the first season under our new head coach. The team has exceeded expectations and the arrow is pointing up.

To read some of the threads here you would think that we were the team that is winless this season, not the Browns. Enjoy the ride, flaws and all.
Not sure if everyone realizes this or not...  
JOrthman : 11/27/2016 7:48 pm : link
but we haven't put together six straight wins in awhile. I don't care who you are, how good or bad you think your offense is, that isn't' easy. Outside of the 18-1 Patriots not many teams dominate for 60 minutes. When was the last time we won all the games we were supposed to?
Gmen7b  
joeinpa : 11/27/2016 8:05 pm : link
Giants aren t good enough to play down to any opponent. That would mean they are playing below their potential. Today s offensive effort was pretty consistent with what we ve see all year
I'm glad the team  
Beezer : 11/27/2016 8:17 pm : link
Doesn't look at things the way many fans do.

Sure, it's fine to speculate.

But the one and only thing that matters right now is going into Pittsburgh and stealing that win.

How good are we feeling going into the Dallas game with the Steelers notched into our belt?

One at a time.
RE: The negativity is asstounding  
zeroburrito : 11/27/2016 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13236404 PatersonPlank said:
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We beat the Browns by the same score as the Cowboys, who all the negative nancies on here think is unbeatable.

I don't know why BBI'ers expect perfection from the Giants but not from the other teams in the league. Every team, including the Pats and Cowboys, have issues. You can pick any of them apart if you look at it from the Madden 2017 perspective.


35-10....all offensive points.
Good post  
DavidinBMNY : 11/27/2016 8:51 pm : link
Anyone who suffered through the past 2 seasons would have signed up for 8 wins and a .500 season. And this team has already achieved that with 5 meaningful games to play.

We're entering week 13 with MEANINGFUL football.

My wife asked me if the Giants had a chance to go to the superbowl. I said it's to early to say.

She hasn't asked me this in a long time.
Eh... I see a top 10 defense  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2016 9:08 pm : link
coupled with an offense that has the pieces to get it done. We have a multiple Super Bowl MVP QB, an excellent WR core and some running backs with talent if the line could open some lanes. The problem is the offensive line and it's always been the offensive line but it's not impossible with Pugh back and a few tweaks that they could get it together and be an effective unit heading into the postseason. That's all I really care about right now. O-line solidifies and we can win another Super Bowl. Getting Pugh back is step one.

Fixed O-line allows Eli more time to make accurate throws so he isn't constantly rushed and off tempo.

Fixed O-line improves our running game.

Fixed O-line allows McAdoo to open up the playbook more.

Fixed O-line allows Eli to use his TEs more as he won't be constantly looking for the quick 3-second slant.
RE: I'm glad the team  
micky : 11/27/2016 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13236575 Beezer said:
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Doesn't look at things the way many fans do.

Sure, it's fine to speculate.

But the one and only thing that matters right now is going into Pittsburgh and stealing that win.

How good are we feeling going into the Dallas game with the Steelers notched into our belt?

One at a time.


That would be ideal.
DK, I totally hear you  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/27/2016 9:28 pm : link
and 95% of the time I'd be echoing your sentiments.

But with me, I've actually been more confident in previous years when sitting at 6-5. As infuriating as Gilbride was (and I was one of the people who wanted him gone) his offenses always had this element where, if Eli and his receivers found that very elusive chemistry, they were absolutely unstoppable. So there was always this hope that the offense could put it together and become a unit unlike anything we had seen throughout the first 3/4s of the regular season.

Now this year, even though we are 8-3, there haven't been flashes of development or big play ability... or unstoppability. It seems the offense is what it is, and it's certainly good enough to get you to the dance, but it doesn't look like something that can form into a championship caliber offense like we have in the past.

So it'd be idiotic for me to hate on the team right now, but it's all about winning championships. This isn't to say I'm unhappy at all, but it does subdue the enthusiasm I'd typically have after an 8-3 start in the Coughlin era. I don't feel confident in this team's ability to win the Super Bowl, and that tempers my enthusiasm despite the absolutely satisfying start.

That hopefully explains where I'm coming from. Can't speak for anyone else.
Yes, and I like it!  
GiantsUA : 11/27/2016 9:34 pm : link
8-3 - go Giants
My counter to that  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2016 9:38 pm : link
Would be that McAdoo's offenses have been ranked as high as 8 overall as recently as last year. This offense doesn't look like the one I saw last year either but I seriously think McAdoo has stripped down the playbook to make things as simple as possible for Eli to get rid of the ball ASAP. I don't believe that McAdoo suddenly forgot how to coach offense at a high level. I do think if the line get's it together and allows Mac to trust them a bit more there is potential for growth here. I dont think this is our ceiling. It's not close to where we were at last year so that really doesn't make any sense to me.
Some of you are just over thinking things  
djm : 11/27/2016 9:39 pm : link
.."the offense can't continue to play like this"

Yet they are 8-3 with that very offense.

Every week is different. Say it in your head over and over again until it sinks in. Then say it again. Every week is different!

Are you telling me that because the Giants only scored 17 offensive
Pts today that they won't score 28 next week at Pitt?? You wanna bet a lot of money on that? An Eli Manning Beckham offense can't explode at any given time?

Just get to ten wins. Above all else just build something and you never know we just might do something this season. Enjoy this. Giants can hang with teams I think it's obvious by now.
RE: My counter to that  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/27/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13236781 ZGiants98 said:
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Would be that McAdoo's offenses have been ranked as high as 8 overall as recently as last year. This offense doesn't look like the one I saw last year either but I seriously think McAdoo has stripped down the playbook to make things as simple as possible for Eli to get rid of the ball ASAP. I don't believe that McAdoo suddenly forgot how to coach offense at a high level. I do think if the line get's it together and allows Mac to trust them a bit more there is potential for growth here. I dont think this is our ceiling. It's not close to where we were at last year so that really doesn't make any sense to me.


Completely agree, but it still has us where we are as an offense.
Site should change it's name  
JOrthman : 11/28/2016 5:32 am : link
Should be BBD, Big Blue Downer...Never been more down on a team when they are 8-3.
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