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SNF: KC At Denver

Trainmaster : 11/27/2016 8:52 pm
Didn't see a thread. I'll delete if a duplicate.

Not much rooting interest (I have Denver in my pick'em league). I think I like rooting against Andy Reid.

No Al Michaels  
Trainmaster : 11/27/2016 8:53 pm : link
Must be still celebrating Dallas winning on Thanksgiving.

Reid's a great coach  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 8:59 pm : link
who does a lot with a little. Pedestrian talent all over that offense (Kelce I suppose excepted), esp the noodle armed QB.

I would have taken him as the NYG head coach post-Coughlin in a second. Some in game decision head scratchers, but who not named Belichick doesn't have their share...
RE: Reid's a great coach  
Sy'56 : 11/27/2016 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13236689 Overseer said:
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who does a lot with a little. Pedestrian talent all over that offense (Kelce I suppose excepted), esp the noodle armed QB.

I would have taken him as the NYG head coach post-Coughlin in a second. Some in game decision head scratchers, but who not named Belichick doesn't have their share...


Their defensive personnel is top 5 in the league.
Amazing that a player can  
XBRONX : 11/27/2016 9:26 pm : link
make an NFL roster and have zero technique.Ty Sambrailo stinks.
Reid is who he is  
DieHard : 11/27/2016 9:31 pm : link
A very consistent coach who has some major game management flaws, who has been fortunate enough to have two very talented defenses coached by two very good defensive coordinators during his time in Philly and KC.

Sounds kind of like the guy the Giants have now. ;-)

...  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13236751 Sy'56 said:
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Their defensive personnel is top 5 in the league.

I'm aware. And nice defensive battle we're watching today. Houston a beast.

That's not an easy offense to win with though, and we probably never see full strength Charles again (if at all). Yet Reid manages continual winning seasons. And with Oakland's ascendance, the AFC West is prob the toughest division in football.
As for the actual game  
DieHard : 11/27/2016 9:32 pm : link
Holy moly, Houston is demolishing the Broncos single-handedly.
What a ridiculous steal Tyreek Hill was  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 9:36 pm : link
in the 5th round. Holy shit he's fast.
Hill in KC  
KWALL2 : 11/27/2016 9:48 pm : link
And Gabriel in Atl are 2 guys playing at a different speed. 2 of the most exciting players in the league. Did you see Gabriel today? He runs past everybody.
RE: What a ridiculous steal Tyreek Hill was  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2016 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13236780 Overseer said:
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in the 5th round. Holy shit he's fast.


Guess the speed really helped when considering the character issues. It almost always does.
What a defensive battle  
dancing blue bear : 11/27/2016 9:53 pm : link
these teams can get after the QB

T. Hill fell in the draft due to DV
Von with 2 sacks on that drive  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 9:54 pm : link
1 coverage, 1 via that amazing bend he does as good as anyone since prime Freeney.

He's up to 11.5 sacks on the season. Still DPOY front runner.
RE: Hill in KC  
Sy'56 : 11/27/2016 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13236800 KWALL2 said:
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And Gabriel in Atl are 2 guys playing at a different speed. 2 of the most exciting players in the league. Did you see Gabriel today? He runs past everybody.


They are almost hard to even touch for NFL defenders, let alone tackle.
RE: Hill in KC  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/27/2016 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13236800 KWALL2 said:
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And Gabriel in Atl are 2 guys playing at a different speed. 2 of the most exciting players in the league. Did you see Gabriel today? He runs past everybody.


Sy and Kwall, that CB Jackson from USC yesterday had the same breakaway speed, looked like Odell on that punt return.
Wow  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2016 10:31 pm : link
Some play by Simien.
RE: ...  
chopperhatch : 11/27/2016 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13236766 Overseer said:
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In comment 13236751 Sy'56 said:


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Their defensive personnel is top 5 in the league.


I'm aware. And nice defensive battle we're watching today. Houston a beast.

That's not an easy offense to win with though, and we probably never see full strength Charles again (if at all). Yet Reid manages continual winning seasons. And with Oakland's ascendance, the AFC West is prob the toughest division in football.


They have a top 5 TE, an outstanding stable of RBs, 2/3 O linemen I would love to have, maybe the most dynamic offensive rookie in the league. Not to mention Maclin.

Your argument isnt exactly "strong."
...  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 10:53 pm : link
Kelce indeed great, as I noted. Big mismatch.

Outstanding RBs? You know Charles is IR’d, right? Spencer Ware and West hardly qualify as “outstanding”. Hill is awesome though, wow. I hadn’t seen much of him this season.

But the most important position on the field is garbage. Smith sucks. His arm is terrible (a huge reason the Giants went to the Super Bowl in '11) and he can’t scramble anymore. Winning consistently with him is on its own impressive.

The entire offensive game plan is planned to compensate for his (many) weaknesses and exploit those of the opposing D. Reid is excellent at this, which Coughlin got to know very well. He’s a great coach.

It's not a terrible offense by any means, just pedestrian without Charles and now especially with Maclin injured.
Chiefs STs crushing it tonight  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 10:56 pm : link
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nice drive for E. Sanders  
TexasGmenFan : 11/27/2016 11:07 pm : link
2 rec, 100 yards, TD
Yeah I'm stunned  
MetsAreBack : 11/27/2016 11:25 pm : link
Andy Reid hasn't moved on from Alex smith by now.

We all talk about how 'great' Kelce is - I think he has 4 touchdowns and on pace for maybe 850 yards this season. Maclin and hill both massively underfed too.

The are never going deep with Alex smith at qb there so what's the point. There are 26 starters in the league who id take over smith and actually Foles looked better for them when smith went down in Indy last month.
Siemian's got some skills  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 11:26 pm : link
excellent under pressure tonight.

If he continues to play well and the Broncos stay healthy, I don't see how they don't return to the SB.
I guess Morelli and his crew  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/27/2016 11:31 pm : link
Decided to put the flags away on that last drive. On the big first down out of the end zone, there was holding and Darby pushed off like crazy. There was legit three plays in a row with Houston, 95 or 99 being held by a Denver OL.
RE: Yeah I'm stunned  
TexasGmenFan : 11/27/2016 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13236949 MetsAreBack said:
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Andy Reid hasn't moved on from Alex smith by now.

We all talk about how 'great' Kelce is - I think he has 4 touchdowns and on pace for maybe 850 yards this season. Maclin and hill both massively underfed too.

The are never going deep with Alex smith at qb there so what's the point. There are 26 starters in the league who id take over smith and actually Foles looked better for them when smith went down in Indy last month.


Maclin hasn't played in a month. guy unfortunately can't stay healthy.

KC hasn't had a true # 1 other than the year or 2 when Bowe was halfway decent.
Omg  
Giants2012 : 11/27/2016 11:39 pm : link
Is he in?
looked in to me  
Del Shofner : 11/27/2016 11:40 pm : link
.
That's a TD  
BlackLight : 11/27/2016 11:40 pm : link
Didn't have control until he was in the endzone.
should be a TD  
EricJ : 11/27/2016 11:40 pm : link
.
Doubt they overturn that  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 11:40 pm : link
call on the field was no TD.

This is the most messed up review scenario this season  
jcn56 : 11/27/2016 11:40 pm : link
Basically this one could go either way. Not sure how they didn't rule that a TD on the field.
touchdown!  
Del Shofner : 11/27/2016 11:41 pm : link
.
TD!  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2016 11:41 pm : link
Gotta be.
They got it right  
Jimmy Googs : 11/27/2016 11:41 pm : link
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They got it right  
BlackLight : 11/27/2016 11:42 pm : link
Glad the review booth signaled it in time.
tie game!  
Del Shofner : 11/27/2016 11:42 pm : link
.
Wow  
Giants2012 : 11/27/2016 11:42 pm : link
Tie game
This game is nuts  
jcn56 : 11/27/2016 11:42 pm : link
.
The official who  
BlackLight : 11/27/2016 11:43 pm : link
ruled him down by contact at the one couldn't see the ball, and assumed the receiver had control when his knee came down. That's why it wasn't ruled a TD on the field.
Great game  
Sonic Youth : 11/27/2016 11:43 pm : link
Would the right move to have been for Denver to go for 2 on their last TD?
What a game  
Overseer : 11/27/2016 11:43 pm : link
Cleanly played, back & forth.

Guess I'll be tired going to work tomorrow cause I'm finishing this for sure.
great game  
TexasGmenFan : 11/27/2016 11:44 pm : link
this is what you want out of SNF
Denver needs about 25-30 yds to set up McManus for a deep FG  
PetesHereNow : 11/27/2016 11:44 pm : link
At Mile High, he could probably go 60+.

And they're taking a knee? That's odd.
RE: Great game  
jcn56 : 11/27/2016 11:44 pm : link
In comment 13236976 Sonic Youth said:
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Would the right move to have been for Denver to go for 2 on their last TD?


Nah, because the chance that they gave up both a TD and a 2PAT was probably less than the chance they made the 2PAT themselves.
This almost came up in the Giants Bengals came and it reared its  
DaveFromNewMexico : 11/27/2016 11:45 pm : link
head here, if you are ahead by one point, the other team is out of timeouts and you have a clear path to the end zone, fall the fuck down, Denver could have run the clock down to next to nothing and left KC with no chance, I can't beleive that professional teams don't consider these things, unless your name is Brian Westbrook that is
At least, Reid's QB should know the OT rules this time  
PetesHereNow : 11/27/2016 11:46 pm : link
LOL.
This almost came up in the Giants Bengals came and it reared its  
DaveFromNewMexico : 11/27/2016 11:46 pm : link
head here, if you are ahead by one point, the other team is out of timeouts and you have a clear path to the end zone, fall the fuck down, Denver could have run the clock down to next to nothing and left KC with no chance, I can't beleive that professional teams don't consider these things, unless your name is Brian Westbrook that is
RE: This almost came up in the Giants Bengals came and it reared its  
PetesHereNow : 11/27/2016 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13236982 DaveFromNewMexico said:
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head here, if you are ahead by one point, the other team is out of timeouts and you have a clear path to the end zone, fall the fuck down, Denver could have run the clock down to next to nothing and left KC with no chance, I can't beleive that professional teams don't consider these things, unless your name is Brian Westbrook that is


Yep, you're right. That WR should have just fell on his ass, then you run 3 times, punt and leave KC 20 seconds or so?
Whale of a game!  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2016 11:47 pm : link
Great football day.
Sorry don't know how I managed to post that  
DaveFromNewMexico : 11/27/2016 11:47 pm : link
3 times
RE: At least, Reid's QB should know the OT rules this time  
Giants2012 : 11/27/2016 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13236983 PetesHereNow said:
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LOL.


a high percentage of players likely don't know
Where's Al Michaels  
Rflairr : 11/27/2016 11:49 pm : link
To tell us what the spread is?
RE: RE: This almost came up in the Giants Bengals came and it reared its  
BlackLight : 11/27/2016 11:54 pm : link
In comment 13236985 PetesHereNow said:
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In comment 13236982 DaveFromNewMexico said:


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head here, if you are ahead by one point, the other team is out of timeouts and you have a clear path to the end zone, fall the fuck down, Denver could have run the clock down to next to nothing and left KC with no chance, I can't beleive that professional teams don't consider these things, unless your name is Brian Westbrook that is



Yep, you're right. That WR should have just fell on his ass, then you run 3 times, punt and leave KC 20 seconds or so?


I think less than a minute to go down the field and score the winning TD.

Denver's TD happened with 3:00 left. Let's assume the WR kneels at the one yard line, in bounds. Their first down play would happen at roughly 2:20. 2nd down play at 2:00. 3rd down play at 1:20. Kick the FG on 4th down with 40 seconds left. KC would need to take it down the field and score with no timeouts.
AJ Derby having a nice game  
Overseer : 11/28/2016 12:16 am : link
2 key conversions.
Gee  
Giants2012 : 11/28/2016 12:22 am : link
a tie is better than a loss

. . . yet not as good as a win.
Dumb decision  
BlackLight : 11/28/2016 12:22 am : link
Kubiak's a dumbass.
C'mon Kubiak...  
Overseer : 11/28/2016 12:23 am : link
a 62 yarder? Do you think Jason Elam is still the Broncos kicker?
Dumb. Now you've fucked yourself over for seeding.  
guitarguybs12 : 11/28/2016 12:25 am : link
With a tie it's a wash.
lol  
Giants2012 : 11/28/2016 12:27 am : link
Lol
wow  
dancing blue bear : 11/28/2016 12:27 am : link
damn. helluva game
ha - like off the post in soccer -  
Del Shofner : 11/28/2016 12:28 am : link
well, that was entertaining!
That was an awesome game  
Route 9 : 11/28/2016 12:28 am : link
Thriller
That kick...  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/28/2016 12:29 am : link
wow. Great weekend of football.
Great game  
DennyInDenville : 11/28/2016 12:29 am : link
Good stuff
Zoinks!  
trueblueinpw : 11/28/2016 12:30 am : link
That's why we watch!
Kubiak costs his team half a loss.  
jogo1 : 11/28/2016 12:30 am : link
That's among the worst coaching decisions I've seen.
Broncos:  
Overseer : 11/28/2016 12:30 am : link
big loss for them. Unlikely they win the division, so they need that 2nd wild card (assuming this game gets KC the first). Miami coming on strong and you know Pitt will be in it as well. I'm rooting for them b/c I want to watch Von in the playoffs and I think they're best suited to take down New England.

Remaining schedule:

Jags
Titans
Pats
Chiefs
Raiders

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Great game. Kubiak a f'ing moron to try from 62. Just don't know what he was thinking.

This has been a really entertaining NFL season so far IMO. Lots of craziness.
That really was a dumb decision by Kubiak.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2016 12:32 am : link
A loss hurt them infinitely more than a tie would have.
That was the perfect ending to a great game  
jcn56 : 11/28/2016 12:37 am : link
I thought that Santos was going to bail out Kubiak for a second there, but the upright had another idea.
Awesome game  
giantgiantfan : 11/28/2016 12:38 am : link
Probably best of the year so far.
Great game  
feelflows : 11/28/2016 8:05 am : link
I just feel too tired for THAT outcome!
RE: ha - like off the post in soccer -  
NINEster : 11/28/2016 8:30 am : link
In comment 13237028 Del Shofner said:
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well, that was entertaining!


Santos is Brazilian after all!
The AFC playoffs are going to be interesting  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/28/2016 8:35 am : link
Still a lot of teams in it for the wildcard, and depending how the AFC West shakes out, you could have DEN and KC as wildcard favorites on the road against the AFC North and South winners respectively.
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