What 1 change would you make to the Giants offense?

Even on the end around to Shepard, the RB fake went to the same side

Sink or swim - I thought they should have tried it out against the softer parts of the schedule. I just don't like the idea of putting that much on McAdoo, although the results have been great thus far.

and less from shotgun. The OL doesn't do well moving people when we run out of shotgun and our RB's don't get as good of a view of the defense or get as much momentum into the line. It looked like we're doing more of that yesterday. Yes it might make us a little more predictable but we don't need to be the best running team in the league, just need to stay out of 3rd + 8+.

It's not as much the variety as plays, as that we continually are in the same formation.

Defenses don't need to sub, don't need to scheme as much

because you just can't teach speed.

Especially more throws where he's on the move....crossing patterns. And more deep throws. More short throws to him too.

Lets stop force feeding Tye and throw the ball to our all world receiver.

pulling lineman

In comment 13237478 jcn56 said:

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Sink or swim - I thought they should have tried it out against the softer parts of the schedule. I just don't like the idea of putting that much on McAdoo, although the results have been great thus far.

+1

I'm not sure I agree with turning the playcalling over to Sullivan

McAdoo has called some very good games -- and there are issues with the Oline -- what has Sullivan done that shows he won't be a disaster calling plays -- his play calling days were not so hot

a couple:

1. more Cruz in the slot
2. more stacked backfield sets (we saw a few of these yesterday) without necessarily running out of them all the time

In comment 13237485 jlukes said:

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pulling lineman

I'm not an expert, but Jennings at least seems to thrive when running through the A gap.

I think I will look foolish, as people here sometimes do when they think they understand the intricacies of offensive scheming. I don't.

"Chuck it at Beckham" is not a strategy. And anyway, he got tons of throws yesterday.

can come back on line -- I think that will make a big difference -- I think Newhouse actually played a very good LG

I would like to see them run with much more dominance --- that would change the tenor of the Offense

Though his pass protection was very good yesterday on the few blitzes I saw him defend.

And I thought the left side of the O-line was doing a nice job creating some pretty decent holes, but Jennings was to slow to get thru to get max production.

Perkins is still a bit tentative himself, so every add'l carry will take care of that...

Our RB's are not fast, but Perkins has a little more wiggle than Jennings....

Same with the TE's....they are what they are...

OBj is the only WR that scares defenses....

So what can we do?

I would give Harris more playing time, than Lewis....

We just do not run a good, conistant screen....

The play calling has to change....giving up on 3rd downs has to change....how many passes has Eli completed on 3rd down, that haven't resulted in first downs?....how many draws are we going to run on 3rd and long, with no results? How many 3rd and short runs will continue to fail? Why do we continue to go long on 3rd and less than 10? How can SS not have one target?

You can't changes the pieces, the only thing you can change, is the way you use them.....this conservative play calling has to change.....when Cleveland marched down the field, and made it a 7 point game with 8 minutes left, all of a sudden the offense was able to flip a switch, and have a huge drive....the switch worked this time.....

if Eli throws a pick on 3rd down b y forcing it, we have lengthy discussions about how poor his decision making is:

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The play calling has to change....giving up on 3rd downs has to change

When you are playing a team like the Browns, it is most certainly prudent to "give up" on 3rd downs top protect field position.

. . . I can't guarantee what I'll do. That page in the playbook should have a big "DO NOT USE INSIDE THE OTHER TEAM'S TEN" sticker on it.

He was averaging 4.7 yards per carry and 9.6 yards per catch when he was hurt, well above Jennings in both areas.

He's supposed to be back for the Dallas game. Best hope for a quick fix.

No other reason than I love that fekking play.

there is not a lot of cohesion on the offense even when a
play is developing there some kind of a breakdown on the
offensive line . Eli does not have a go to chains mover .
No big bodied guy to just shield off the defender in the 7-10
yard area . Also rarely a clean pocket to step up into so
his mechanics have been off quite a few times because he is
not the best throwing on the run . I think we need to get
the tight ends more involved and use Harris a bit more .
Until we get a few guys healthy were going to continue to
struggle .

but I would strongly consider using Jennings as a FB and line him up in the backfield in a two man set with Perkins.

Jennings looks big and slow to me now. He seems to lack explosiveness for many run plays where he is the rb. But he is an excellent pass protection blocker; catches well out of the backfield and has some success on occasional handoffs.

Jennings is smart and experienced.

Lets use maximize what he does best and let him block in front of Perkins

More two man rb sets with the qb under center and less three wide

Might mix in more two TE sets with the two ribs and yes I know that means the only wr would be Beckham. Put Beckham in motion and then lets go smash mouth.

Need to run more sweeps, traps and pitches from the qb under center

Throw more to TEs in the middle of the field like the rest of the NFL and do it from the qb under center.

Now run your draws and screens after a multitude of the above and measure your effectiveness and adapt from there

In comment 13237489 gidiefor said:

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I'm not sure I agree with turning the playcalling over to Sullivan McAdoo has called some very good games -- and there are issues with the Oline -- what has Sullivan done that shows he won't be a disaster calling plays -- his play calling days were not so hot

This is entirely possible - which is why I suggested trying it out against the softer parts of the schedule. You can always retake control if you see it's not working.

If Sullivan isn't up to the task - 'sink or swim' means exactly that - if he can't do it, get someone who can. I don't like the odds of McAdoo being able to do both jobs at a high level when the competition intensifies, especially in light of how so many people have pointed out that we're too vanilla for our own good.

but the long ball- rainbow style pass was always a strength of the Eli era. We always had it when we needed it, and it always caught defenses off guard.
This year, Eli seems to be missing everybody deep, and it's taking points off the board.
So I'd love to see that part of the game back in place.

I understand it's about execution more than deception.. but I'd like to see some trips bunch formations with OBJ/Shep/Cruz all on one side. There are a lot of options.. you can run clear outs that open up the other side of the field, create chaos over the middle..

I also wish we had a true FB on the roster.. the Will Johnson injury was probably a bigger deal than people realize. I'd love to see us actually push some run plays out of a standard I or power I with Eli under center rather than in the gun.

In comment 13237571 jcn56 said:

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In comment 13237489 gidiefor said: Quote: I'm not sure I agree with turning the playcalling over to Sullivan McAdoo has called some very good games -- and there are issues with the Oline -- what has Sullivan done that shows he won't be a disaster calling plays -- his play calling days were not so hot This is entirely possible - which is why I suggested trying it out against the softer parts of the schedule. You can always retake control if you see it's not working. If Sullivan isn't up to the task - 'sink or swim' means exactly that - if he can't do it, get someone who can. I don't like the odds of McAdoo being able to do both jobs at a high level when the competition intensifies, especially in light of how so many people have pointed out that we're too vanilla for our own good.

Yeah well - now is not the time to do it -- we have 5 tough games coming up and then the playoffs -- and we are 8-3 -- you stick with McAdoo and ride the bus the way it's built - and you hope some more pieces can join the fray and improve -- Newhouse and/or Pugh at LG will make a huge difference

especially the run game where defenses are pretty obviously able to decipher the play. At times, it almost feels McAdoo is calling the runs on auto-pilot as throwaways, it's been so easily readable.

even when it is "readabe"

: )

but misdirection and disguise is a big part of the game, especially when you're trying to create playaction in the passing game.

It looks to me like defenses just bait Eli into checking into inside runs because they feel they can still limit us to a short gain even with a light box. It usually works.

Until we can start to actually make teams pay for doing that, it's going to be tough.

...is not going to be the same during the playoffs, and that we are going through the motions of not giving defenses any tape of what is about to hit them during the playoffs. I have to believe that McAdoo is deliberately calling the same game every week in an attempt to disguise what the Giants will do once "its money time".

with the talent you have. Based on the roster realities we have, my one issue or maybe two is that some times the offense has a hard time finding a rhythm or consistency, and that during those times it might be best to try and focus the play calling on high percentage passes and try to gradually move the chains to give the offense some consistency. I don't know what plays MacAdoo is calling or what Eli is changing at the line, but these were also complaints that existed at times under Gilbride. I also think that there needs to be better quality control to ensure that key play makers are getting their touches.

It's definitely happened when defenses have rolled out a Cover-2.

Running from the same formation 96% of the time makes them much easier to defend.

Keep using the spare OLs as TEs and maybe as the occasional FB, and MOVE BECKHAM AROUND.

game.

I'd also like a FB in the offense, although Adams did some nice work on a few plays where he essentially pulled into the hole to block.

1. Can't believe i'm saying this but if Newhouse comes back healthy I would like to see more of him at guard. I liked the push he got and how the pocket looked while he was there.


2. Keep Perkins as the starter the rest of the way.
I know Jennings in general is still a "better" player but Perkins gives us the dynamic that we lost when Vereen got injured and he seems to get positive yardage more times then not. I would rather take the lumps from starting Perkins for the next 5 games kinds similar to how the Gints did with Bradshaw that historical play off run. (I meant Gints by the way!)


3. Continue to expand the receiving options over the next month or so. hey can't stay idle hoping OBJ will continue to bare the brunt of the offensive pressure on this team and think we will be successful in the long run.We need to sprinkle in Tavarres King and continue to extend the usage of Jarrell Adams and Roger Lewis Jr. To give this offense every opportunity to become harder to game plan for.

done this late. But, I would like to see more of Harris at WR.

Maybe that red zone TD grab is a sign on things to come

I'd love to see some 4 WR sets and once Vereen is back he can really help open things up too.

In comment 13237600 arcarsenal said:

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It looks to me like defenses just bait Eli into checking into inside runs because they feel they can still limit us to a short gain even with a light box. It usually works. Until we can start to actually make teams pay for doing that, it's going to be tough.

exactly. drives me crazy. letting the opponent put you in plays that they want you to run.... is a fail.

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1) I agree with jcn about Sullivan calling plays...but, I thought it should have been that way from the start. McAdoo always could have taken over at any time if he felt it wasn't working.

2) At this point, whether Vereen gets healthy or not and even with Jennings playing a little better (not a ton), I'd have Perkins playing a lot more.

3) I agree with more misdirection

4) More guards pulling. we have had the most success with the OG and/or TE on the move into the hole.

5) More crossing patterns, screens, seam passes

6) Cruz in the slot and Shepard outside

7) More 2 TE sets

In comment 13237490 TexasGmenFan said:

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a couple: 1. more Cruz in the slot 2. more stacked backfield sets (we saw a few of these yesterday) without necessarily running out of them all the time

This. Why isn't Cruz playing out of the slot more? And to build on this, why don't we try running an offense more like the Pats who seem to only have slot receivers? Can we run Shep and Cruz out of a bunch formation like the Pats and many other teams run to get rubs and picks with multiple slot receivers?

The stacked backfield worked yesterday and then we went away from that. Something's really bizzare about the game planning and the play calling. It's really vexing. Do we even change the game plan from one week to another because I can't tell?

I would do 2 things

1 - run the ball under center more

2 - use the TE's in deeper middle of the field routes. The TE's are open all the time

The Vereen injury hurt - he was a RB who could catch all over the field. While Jennings and Perkins can catch, Vereen is better at it

Watch the Patriots. They criss-cross receivers so much that it screws up the defense when they DON'T run crossing patterns. VERY well designed and executed receiver plays.

And I'd like to have Sullivan call the plays. McAdoo doesn't have any chance to debrief and scheme with Eli during the games. This must be costing us a TD a game.

I thought it looked good yesterday and is more effective than the more common three receiver set.

I know you said one thing but also I think you have to keep Beckham returning punts. He's a game changer. Looks like a man among boys out there. Only other time I recall that was with LT.

In comment 13237479 Eric on Li said:

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and less from shotgun.

Exactly. It is much more difficult to run out of pistol and shot-gun formations, and we have a subpar OL to begin with.

I'd add more motion, as well.

would be to add a good talented fullback....

throw that play in the rubbish, I called it at least
3 times yesterday. Geez, I wonder if the defense knew it was coming. Also, no pitchouts to Jennings, they did that
with Andre Williams too, like duh? Why not do that with Perkins instead!
The way this offense struggles moving
the ball consistently, more up tempo as well.
It seemed like for a couple games they were doing that,
but not as much lately.

Mac continue to call plays, take my chances with that.