destination for Melo at this point. Maybe something comes up over the summer as teams could potentially absorb him into cap space - but even that is tricky as the cap is not expected to rise as much as originally thought. If I had to bet, I'd say he opts out of his deal after next season and leaves.
You are probably right but do you see Melo leaving 28 mill on the table to opt out at the age of 34?
it all depends on who has cap room. Maybe he opts out and takes something like 2/50 or 3/60 with player options from another team...or something like that.
Up until Saturday, Melo had been having one of the more efficient season in his career at a high usage rate. Two bad games doesn't suddenly erase the previous 15. Now with KP on the team, he's getting Ewing treatment from fans. The guy has been the focal point of every team he has played on for 13 years.
As for the Rose defense stuff, that's kind of more nonsense as well. Rose's defense has been much better over the past 5+ games. As for PnR defense - that's been the Knicks' weakness the entire year. Obviously they still need to work on it, especially given that their "defensive anchor" is still getting his legs and learning about his teammates each game.
As for Noah being a black hole on offense, do we not remember Tyson Chandler? Yes, his shooting % by the basket was quite good, but he was confined to mainly dunks and layups. On offense he still needs to cut to the basket more, but again - it will require time to fine tune the offense. And not to mention his passing is probably tops for his position in the entire NBA. The fact that people are outraged by him making $18M per year, in a league where Timofey Mozgov and Ian Mahinmi are each making $16M per year, it makes me believe that some fans really lack any critical analysis skills. Will that contract look worse in the 3rd or 4th years? Most likely, yea. But it won't be the albatross-type deal that has been associated with this organization since the early 2000s.
RE: RE: the long term prognosis of this team looks good
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[quote] In comment 13239483 djm said:
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so. He's cost controlled and pretty solid. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future. I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
RE: the long term prognosis of this team looks good
but I have no faith in this team right now until they find a HC that preaches defense first. I love the young talent and I can even live some of the vets but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with this style of play. Simple as that.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Thibs preaches defense. Minnesota is already regretting that contract. Hes made Towns into a jump shooter.
RE: RE: the long term prognosis of this team looks good
but I have no faith in this team right now until they find a HC that preaches defense first. I love the young talent and I can even live some of the vets but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with this style of play. Simple as that.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Long term, the prognosis is murky at best. We have the foundational player, but little else in terms of long term assets that is a sure thing. The Wolves, Jazz, Sixers, Lakers all have a much bigger foundation to build off of them we do for the future. Having said that, Hornacek is definitely not the problem. Personnel is and the vision of what this team is. Phil has no idea and keeps changing it up. It all falls on him.
I disagree that Horn isn't the problem. When guys aren't getting back on D time and time again I go right to the HC every time.
We need a real HC. I will keep saying it. Horn is a nice guy...hard worker. Damn good player. Maybe he's got a place in the NBA but he's not the guy that will turn the Knicks around. The Knicks need a General Patton. Horn isn't that guy. And it's as clear as day.
I saw the Knicks give up a fast break basket AFTER they actually scored. The system is catering to the offensive mentality that players love. IT's not going to work. I guarantee it.
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
the focus on Rose and yet Noah has basically been ignored. This signing looks brutal right about now. He's looking like a guy who will go down in Knicks lore as yet another "get paid by the Knicks at the twilight of your career".
the years Harden and Westbrook are having. Their numbers are generational. And yet, something about it seems superficial. I mean you have guys like Lebron, Butler, Durant, Curry wont even get MVP consideration - but actually might be having better years, just a lot less usage. Anthony Davis made a mistake signing long term in NO. Just wasting his career there.
Crazy start to the NBA year. But in reality, everyone is still playing for 2nd in their conference which really has put a dull on the season.
If he ever masters a jump shot, he'll go from star to generational player.
Agreed. He has the potential to be the kind of player where for a decade "he could be the next Greek Freak!" He's truly freakish. Bucks are a weird team and are missing their 2nd best player (for likely most of the season) but they could quietly be pretty dangerous. Ideally they would find a taker for Monroe. How many teams have a better young trio than GF, Parker, Middleton with Henson being solid, Brogdan looking solid and Maker a major wild card? Being without Middleton is killer.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
Great. And I still love the young talent on this team. Go shit in someone else's cheerios.
RE: RE: the Bucks seem to have a lot of useful pieces
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
I guess this may be me being ignorant of how to run a very small market team but the Bucks have some very questionable signings in terms of contracts and usage.
Right now they have $65M a year (!!!!) committed to Monroe, Henson, plumlee, delladova, teletovic and Sanders (I know he was stretch waived). Do any of those players outside Delly get more than 20 minutes a game? It seems like the Bucks paid literally any young-ish talent they came across before they had the opportunity to trade them.
Im not exactly sure if any of those guys have any trade value either (maybe Henson?).
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
Great. And I still love the young talent on this team. Go shit in someone else's cheerios.
Well in reality there's very little young talent on this team. Maybe preach your bullshit somewhere else?
RE: RE: RE: the Bucks seem to have a lot of useful pieces
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
I guess this may be me being ignorant of how to run a very small market team but the Bucks have some very questionable signings in terms of contracts and usage.
Right now they have $65M a year (!!!!) committed to Monroe, Henson, plumlee, delladova, teletovic and Sanders (I know he was stretch waived). Do any of those players outside Delly get more than 20 minutes a game? It seems like the Bucks paid literally any young-ish talent they came across before they had the opportunity to trade them.
Im not exactly sure if any of those guys have any trade value either (maybe Henson?).
In fairness the Bucks NEED to overpay to keep/sign players given their market. Delladova looked ridiculous but Monroe looked like a solid signing price wise (not so much fit) and Henson makes basically half of what Noah does. They were clearly betting on his upside
"It's also about time that Henson gets a chance at steady playing time after displaying tons of potential in smaller roles. Over the last three seasons, Henson has averaged 15 points, 10.2 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per 36 minutes. The only four players who blocked more shots per game than Henson last season were Anthony Davis, Serge Ibaka, Rudy Gobert and DeAndre Jordan. Henson, meanwhile, played just 18 minutes per game."
hard to see how Minny is 5-12 with the talent on that team. Despite their record I don't think we match up that well with them.
Ehh yes they have talent but they atill do not play together and they are mainly offensive players, who are their good defensive players besides towns?
knicks should sweep this home and home..
RE: RE: the Bucks seem to have a lot of useful pieces
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
they had middleton last year and they still sucked...
they screwed up when they traded knight away and it completely killed their team...
hard to see how Minny is 5-12 with the talent on that team. Despite their record I don't think we match up that well with them.
Ehh yes they have talent but they atill do not play together and they are mainly offensive players, who are their good defensive players besides towns?
knicks should sweep this home and home..
According to sgcrts, Rubio is the best defensive point guard in the NBA. Dieng is a good defender as well. And we all know how athletic Lavine and Wiggins are. People need to realize that Thibs is really not that good of a coach.
had MASSIVE talent but is clearly a headcase, hard to really blame the Bucks for that one.
Sanders seems like he was a guy who played basketball just because he was a huge, athletic man, not because he actually enjoyed it. Tony Bennett kicked our big transfer Austin Nichols off of UVA's roster last week, allegedly for cocaine problems, and "insiders" have said the same thing about him - he played because he was 6'9" and could get a scholarship for it, but he really didn't want to play basketball all that much.
hard to see how Minny is 5-12 with the talent on that team. Despite their record I don't think we match up that well with them.
Ehh yes they have talent but they atill do not play together and they are mainly offensive players, who are their good defensive players besides towns?
knicks should sweep this home and home..
According to sgcrts, Rubio is the best defensive point guard in the NBA. Dieng is a good defender as well. And we all know how athletic Lavine and Wiggins are. People need to realize that Thibs is really not that good of a coach.
I absolutely never said that but Rubio is absolutely one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. I'm not surprised you don't know that because you are absolutely one of the dumbest posters on BBI.
RE: RE: RE: the Bucks seem to have a lot of useful pieces
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
they had middleton last year and they still sucked...
they screwed up when they traded knight away and it completely killed their team...
monroe is a center who plays zero defense..
Giannis and Jabari were both 20 years old and Jabari was coming off an ACL injury. In other words, they were both the same exact age of KP (Giannis probably just as raw). If you can't recognize the strides both players have made then I don't know what to say. You don't need Carmelo Anthony or Derrick Rose on your team to develop young players.
At the end of the day they finished pretty much exactly where the Knicks finished last year and right now don't seem far off from NY either...
They have a bright future. A lot of people forget that profession in the NBA isn't always linear. It's the same thing happening with the Wolves right now. If you look at the Wolves net rating, they are positive every quarter but have a massive net negative in the third, like -35 or something. I'm not sold on Wiggins as much more then Rudy Gay part 2 until he makes some other contributions, but it's still a team with a huge upside. If they figured out how to start the second half with more energy, their record would be totally different. It'll happen.
Giannis: 18.8 PER 17.2 ppg, 4.4 apg, 7.8 rpg
Jabari: 14.8 PER 16 ppg, 1.9 apg, 4.1 rpg
Middleton: 16.8 PER 18.2 ppg, 4.2 apg, 3.8 rpg (not to mention one of the best perimeter defenders in the league)
2016:
Giannis: 25.4 PER 22.8 ppg, 6.2 apg, 7 rpg
Jabari: 18 PER 18.6 ppg, 2.3 apg, 6.1 rpg (37% from 3)
So yes, like Dan mentioned, I absolutely think they could be a top 4 seed had they had Middleton. The reason the Knight trade fucked them over was because Middleton was the only one capable of shooting 3s on the roster (40% career 3 point shooter). Now Jabari's 3 point shot is coming along. Brogdon and and Delly are more than capable 3 point shooters as well. If this Bucks team can become even average at shooting 3s I think they can be a powerhouse in the East with their length, athleticism, defense, and rebounding prowess.
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I absolutely never said that but Rubio is absolutely one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. I'm not surprised you don't know that because you are absolutely one of the dumbest posters on BBI.
the defensive prowess of Rubio and denies ever saying that when its proven untrue. Must suck going through life not being able to man up and admit you are wrong.
But I wouldn't say he's a "more than capable" three point shooter. He's okay. 36% for his college career, 39% last season, 33% now in the NBA. His shot has a tendency to get too flat.
Brogs has a peerless work ethic, a huge wingspan, and outstanding BBIQ. He's very strong for a guard and plays an unselfish game. Won't ever be a star, but can be a valuable guy in a winning team's rotation.
the defensive prowess of Rubio and denies ever saying that when its proven untrue. Must suck going through life not being able to man up and admit you are wrong.
How dumb are you? I literally just said Rubio is one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. I'm not even sure how that's arguable.
But I wouldn't say he's a "more than capable" three point shooter. He's okay. 36% for his college career, 39% last season, 33% now in the NBA. His shot has a tendency to get too flat.
Brogs has a peerless work ethic, a huge wingspan, and outstanding BBIQ. He's very strong for a guard and plays an unselfish game. Won't ever be a star, but can be a valuable guy in a winning team's rotation.
36% is above average if he translate that into the league. Its enough to make you respectable from range and keep the defense honest.
You sure have a lot of opinions on a lot of players who you never watch.
Guys I never watch? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I watch more games in a week than you do in a year. You even admitted last year you don't watch many games. And now you're claiming I dont? You're a special kind of person who rides a short bus every day.
Hey maybe rubio's defense with thibs, two bigs who can defense, and two atheltic wings can lead them into the top 20 of defense this year.
I don't watch the NBA. I watched more twolves games than bulls games last year.
By far the dumbest person on thr board is you. You're a running joke. Must have killed you seeing rose play well in a loss. Double whammy for you. But then again, I doubt you watched the game.
was break up that second unit. He had O'Quinn playing with them as Hernangomez came in for Noah. I think he needs to keep the Euro players together with Jennings. O'Quinn can take some of Noah's minutes, not Hernangomez taking Noah's and then O'Quinn taking Hernangomez's.
You sure have a lot of opinions on a lot of players who you never watch.
Guys I never watch? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I watch more games in a week than you do in a year. You even admitted last year you don't watch many games. And now you're claiming I dont? You're a special kind of person who rides a short bus every day.
Hey maybe rubio's defense with thibs, two bigs who can defense, and two atheltic wings can lead them into the top 20 of defense this year.
I don't watch the NBA. I watched more twolves games than bulls games last year.
By far the dumbest person on thr board is you. You're a running joke. Must have killed you seeing rose play well in a loss. Double whammy for you. But then again, I doubt you watched the game.
Seriously, go fuck yourself and play in traffic or something. I never said any of the shit you think you I said, and you are a pathetic liar. I'm not even sure why you are bring up Rubio or Thibs, since no one but you is discussing them over and over and over and over.........and over and over.
You sure have a lot of opinions on a lot of players who you never watch.
Guys I never watch? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I watch more games in a week than you do in a year. You even admitted last year you don't watch many games. And now you're claiming I dont? You're a special kind of person who rides a short bus every day.
Hey maybe rubio's defense with thibs, two bigs who can defense, and two atheltic wings can lead them into the top 20 of defense this year.
I don't watch the NBA. I watched more twolves games than bulls games last year.
By far the dumbest person on thr board is you. You're a running joke. Must have killed you seeing rose play well in a loss. Double whammy for you. But then again, I doubt you watched the game.
Seriously, go fuck yourself and play in traffic or something. I never said any of the shit you think you I said, and you are a pathetic liar. I'm not even sure why you are bring up Rubio or Thibs, since no one but you is discussing them over and over and over and over.........and over and over.
Was thibs not discussed a lot this offseason? And And didn't And didn't djm mention wanting a defensive minded coach in this thread? And isn't thibs a d coach who's not having success.
And someone repeating something over and over an again does sound familiar. .. lol. Why Why don't OU give us your opinion on rose for the billionth time.
About their 3rd quarter struggles by Chris Herring, who recently went from the Inicks beat to national for 538 and ESPN. He'll be missed, best beat writer we had I think since Alan went to MSG. Ian Begley is good and we have some good guys on local team sites too. Twolves 3rd quarter struggles - ( New Window )
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destination for Melo at this point. Maybe something comes up over the summer as teams could potentially absorb him into cap space - but even that is tricky as the cap is not expected to rise as much as originally thought. If I had to bet, I'd say he opts out of his deal after next season and leaves.
You are probably right but do you see Melo leaving 28 mill on the table to opt out at the age of 34?
it all depends on who has cap room. Maybe he opts out and takes something like 2/50 or 3/60 with player options from another team...or something like that.
As for the Rose defense stuff, that's kind of more nonsense as well. Rose's defense has been much better over the past 5+ games. As for PnR defense - that's been the Knicks' weakness the entire year. Obviously they still need to work on it, especially given that their "defensive anchor" is still getting his legs and learning about his teammates each game.
As for Noah being a black hole on offense, do we not remember Tyson Chandler? Yes, his shooting % by the basket was quite good, but he was confined to mainly dunks and layups. On offense he still needs to cut to the basket more, but again - it will require time to fine tune the offense. And not to mention his passing is probably tops for his position in the entire NBA. The fact that people are outraged by him making $18M per year, in a league where Timofey Mozgov and Ian Mahinmi are each making $16M per year, it makes me believe that some fans really lack any critical analysis skills. Will that contract look worse in the 3rd or 4th years? Most likely, yea. But it won't be the albatross-type deal that has been associated with this organization since the early 2000s.
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so. He's cost controlled and pretty solid. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future. I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Thibs preaches defense. Minnesota is already regretting that contract. Hes made Towns into a jump shooter.
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but I have no faith in this team right now until they find a HC that preaches defense first. I love the young talent and I can even live some of the vets but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with this style of play. Simple as that.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Long term, the prognosis is murky at best. We have the foundational player, but little else in terms of long term assets that is a sure thing. The Wolves, Jazz, Sixers, Lakers all have a much bigger foundation to build off of them we do for the future. Having said that, Hornacek is definitely not the problem. Personnel is and the vision of what this team is. Phil has no idea and keeps changing it up. It all falls on him.
I disagree that Horn isn't the problem. When guys aren't getting back on D time and time again I go right to the HC every time.
We need a real HC. I will keep saying it. Horn is a nice guy...hard worker. Damn good player. Maybe he's got a place in the NBA but he's not the guy that will turn the Knicks around. The Knicks need a General Patton. Horn isn't that guy. And it's as clear as day.
I saw the Knicks give up a fast break basket AFTER they actually scored. The system is catering to the offensive mentality that players love. IT's not going to work. I guarantee it.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
I think he's going to be a perennial MVP candidate in the prime of his career. I daresay his ceiling is hire than Paul George's.
Crazy start to the NBA year. But in reality, everyone is still playing for 2nd in their conference which really has put a dull on the season.
Really sucks Middleton got hurt. He's their second best player. Brogdon, Gianns and Middleton can bolster a strong perimeter defense together.
Agreed. He has the potential to be the kind of player where for a decade "he could be the next Greek Freak!" He's truly freakish. Bucks are a weird team and are missing their 2nd best player (for likely most of the season) but they could quietly be pretty dangerous. Ideally they would find a taker for Monroe. How many teams have a better young trio than GF, Parker, Middleton with Henson being solid, Brogdan looking solid and Maker a major wild card? Being without Middleton is killer.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
Great. And I still love the young talent on this team. Go shit in someone else's cheerios.
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that don't really fit together well.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
I guess this may be me being ignorant of how to run a very small market team but the Bucks have some very questionable signings in terms of contracts and usage.
Right now they have $65M a year (!!!!) committed to Monroe, Henson, plumlee, delladova, teletovic and Sanders (I know he was stretch waived). Do any of those players outside Delly get more than 20 minutes a game? It seems like the Bucks paid literally any young-ish talent they came across before they had the opportunity to trade them.
Im not exactly sure if any of those guys have any trade value either (maybe Henson?).
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
Great. And I still love the young talent on this team. Go shit in someone else's cheerios.
Well in reality there's very little young talent on this team. Maybe preach your bullshit somewhere else?
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that don't really fit together well.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
I guess this may be me being ignorant of how to run a very small market team but the Bucks have some very questionable signings in terms of contracts and usage.
Right now they have $65M a year (!!!!) committed to Monroe, Henson, plumlee, delladova, teletovic and Sanders (I know he was stretch waived). Do any of those players outside Delly get more than 20 minutes a game? It seems like the Bucks paid literally any young-ish talent they came across before they had the opportunity to trade them.
Im not exactly sure if any of those guys have any trade value either (maybe Henson?).
In fairness the Bucks NEED to overpay to keep/sign players given their market. Delladova looked ridiculous but Monroe looked like a solid signing price wise (not so much fit) and Henson makes basically half of what Noah does. They were clearly betting on his upside
"It's also about time that Henson gets a chance at steady playing time after displaying tons of potential in smaller roles. Over the last three seasons, Henson has averaged 15 points, 10.2 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per 36 minutes. The only four players who blocked more shots per game than Henson last season were Anthony Davis, Serge Ibaka, Rudy Gobert and DeAndre Jordan. Henson, meanwhile, played just 18 minutes per game."
Ehh yes they have talent but they atill do not play together and they are mainly offensive players, who are their good defensive players besides towns?
knicks should sweep this home and home..
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that don't really fit together well.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
they had middleton last year and they still sucked...
they screwed up when they traded knight away and it completely killed their team...
monroe is a center who plays zero defense..
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hard to see how Minny is 5-12 with the talent on that team. Despite their record I don't think we match up that well with them.
Ehh yes they have talent but they atill do not play together and they are mainly offensive players, who are their good defensive players besides towns?
knicks should sweep this home and home..
According to sgcrts, Rubio is the best defensive point guard in the NBA. Dieng is a good defender as well. And we all know how athletic Lavine and Wiggins are. People need to realize that Thibs is really not that good of a coach.
Most overrated player in the NBA.
Sanders seems like he was a guy who played basketball just because he was a huge, athletic man, not because he actually enjoyed it. Tony Bennett kicked our big transfer Austin Nichols off of UVA's roster last week, allegedly for cocaine problems, and "insiders" have said the same thing about him - he played because he was 6'9" and could get a scholarship for it, but he really didn't want to play basketball all that much.
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hard to see how Minny is 5-12 with the talent on that team. Despite their record I don't think we match up that well with them.
Ehh yes they have talent but they atill do not play together and they are mainly offensive players, who are their good defensive players besides towns?
knicks should sweep this home and home..
According to sgcrts, Rubio is the best defensive point guard in the NBA. Dieng is a good defender as well. And we all know how athletic Lavine and Wiggins are. People need to realize that Thibs is really not that good of a coach.
I absolutely never said that but Rubio is absolutely one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. I'm not surprised you don't know that because you are absolutely one of the dumbest posters on BBI.
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that don't really fit together well.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
they had middleton last year and they still sucked...
they screwed up when they traded knight away and it completely killed their team...
monroe is a center who plays zero defense..
Giannis and Jabari were both 20 years old and Jabari was coming off an ACL injury. In other words, they were both the same exact age of KP (Giannis probably just as raw). If you can't recognize the strides both players have made then I don't know what to say. You don't need Carmelo Anthony or Derrick Rose on your team to develop young players.
At the end of the day they finished pretty much exactly where the Knicks finished last year and right now don't seem far off from NY either...
the problem with the knight trade was he was running the offense and scoring, they basically got rid of their best player
Jabari: 14.8 PER 16 ppg, 1.9 apg, 4.1 rpg
Middleton: 16.8 PER 18.2 ppg, 4.2 apg, 3.8 rpg (not to mention one of the best perimeter defenders in the league)
2016:
Giannis: 25.4 PER 22.8 ppg, 6.2 apg, 7 rpg
Jabari: 18 PER 18.6 ppg, 2.3 apg, 6.1 rpg (37% from 3)
So yes, like Dan mentioned, I absolutely think they could be a top 4 seed had they had Middleton. The reason the Knight trade fucked them over was because Middleton was the only one capable of shooting 3s on the roster (40% career 3 point shooter). Now Jabari's 3 point shot is coming along. Brogdon and and Delly are more than capable 3 point shooters as well. If this Bucks team can become even average at shooting 3s I think they can be a powerhouse in the East with their length, athleticism, defense, and rebounding prowess.
I absolutely never said that but Rubio is absolutely one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. I'm not surprised you don't know that because you are absolutely one of the dumbest posters on BBI.
100% pure BULLSHIT.
Brogs has a peerless work ethic, a huge wingspan, and outstanding BBIQ. He's very strong for a guard and plays an unselfish game. Won't ever be a star, but can be a valuable guy in a winning team's rotation.
How dumb are you? I literally just said Rubio is one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. I'm not even sure how that's arguable.
Brogs has a peerless work ethic, a huge wingspan, and outstanding BBIQ. He's very strong for a guard and plays an unselfish game. Won't ever be a star, but can be a valuable guy in a winning team's rotation.
36% is above average if he translate that into the league. Its enough to make you respectable from range and keep the defense honest.
Guys I never watch? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I watch more games in a week than you do in a year. You even admitted last year you don't watch many games. And now you're claiming I dont? You're a special kind of person who rides a short bus every day.
Hey maybe rubio's defense with thibs, two bigs who can defense, and two atheltic wings can lead them into the top 20 of defense this year.
I don't watch the NBA. I watched more twolves games than bulls games last year.
By far the dumbest person on thr board is you. You're a running joke. Must have killed you seeing rose play well in a loss. Double whammy for you. But then again, I doubt you watched the game.
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You sure have a lot of opinions on a lot of players who you never watch.
Guys I never watch? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I watch more games in a week than you do in a year. You even admitted last year you don't watch many games. And now you're claiming I dont? You're a special kind of person who rides a short bus every day.
Hey maybe rubio's defense with thibs, two bigs who can defense, and two atheltic wings can lead them into the top 20 of defense this year.
I don't watch the NBA. I watched more twolves games than bulls games last year.
By far the dumbest person on thr board is you. You're a running joke. Must have killed you seeing rose play well in a loss. Double whammy for you. But then again, I doubt you watched the game.
Seriously, go fuck yourself and play in traffic or something. I never said any of the shit you think you I said, and you are a pathetic liar. I'm not even sure why you are bring up Rubio or Thibs, since no one but you is discussing them over and over and over and over.........and over and over.
I apologize for my role- shouldn't take the bait from that troll.
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You sure have a lot of opinions on a lot of players who you never watch.
Guys I never watch? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I watch more games in a week than you do in a year. You even admitted last year you don't watch many games. And now you're claiming I dont? You're a special kind of person who rides a short bus every day.
Hey maybe rubio's defense with thibs, two bigs who can defense, and two atheltic wings can lead them into the top 20 of defense this year.
I don't watch the NBA. I watched more twolves games than bulls games last year.
By far the dumbest person on thr board is you. You're a running joke. Must have killed you seeing rose play well in a loss. Double whammy for you. But then again, I doubt you watched the game.
Seriously, go fuck yourself and play in traffic or something. I never said any of the shit you think you I said, and you are a pathetic liar. I'm not even sure why you are bring up Rubio or Thibs, since no one but you is discussing them over and over and over and over.........and over and over.
Was thibs not discussed a lot this offseason? And And didn't And didn't djm mention wanting a defensive minded coach in this thread? And isn't thibs a d coach who's not having success.
And someone repeating something over and over an again does sound familiar. .. lol. Why Why don't OU give us your opinion on rose for the billionth time.
Sgrcts is known for this.
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