but i wish he would go to boston, they are desperate for a name superstar...
crowder and brooklyns 1st is a deal i would do in a second...
melo right now just doesnt seem to want to take a step back and play off the ball..
last night rose was hot and melo continued to take the ball up the court..
I would 100% not do that if I were Boston.
it was rumored that that was the package boston offered but it never went anywhere because melo said no ..
and ainge is desperate he is going to make a stupid trade soon
Rumored last year or this year? I think the Horford signing might've changed things. Crowder might be one of the last guys Ainge would be willing to part with. Maybe he'd do it for some combination of olynyk, smart, Amir Johnson and maybe brown.
But the more I think of it the more I doubt Stevens would be eager to toss in Melo into the lineup. Their biggest need is a dominant Big that can grab boards and protect the paint. Melo doesn't really fit the bill.
that no one get's a pass - just like school ball, AAU, college
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Those who are not running the teams offense and are stinking up the joint need to sit.
Seems like he was afraid to take Melo out on Saturday and Melo was clearly tired and way off, and last night when the ball movement and momentum died with Melo he should have been shown the bench.
Two set's of rules never work.
i thought the rose lee holiday kp noah lineip started playimg well in the 4th, i think he should of kept melo on the bench...
holiday in my opinion needs more minutes
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but i wish he would go to boston, they are desperate for a name superstar...
crowder and brooklyns 1st is a deal i would do in a second...
melo right now just doesnt seem to want to take a step back and play off the ball..
last night rose was hot and melo continued to take the ball up the court..
I would 100% not do that if I were Boston.
it was rumored that that was the package boston offered but it never went anywhere because melo said no ..
and ainge is desperate he is going to make a stupid trade soon
Rumored last year or this year? I think the Horford signing might've changed things. Crowder might be one of the last guys Ainge would be willing to part with. Maybe he'd do it for some combination of olynyk, smart, Amir Johnson and maybe brown.
But the more I think of it the more I doubt Stevens would be eager to toss in Melo into the lineup. Their biggest need is a dominant Big that can grab boards and protect the paint. Melo doesn't really fit the bill.
ainge is actively looking for a superstar..
that team as currently constructed has a ceiling, they have the draft picks to swing for the fences..
not saying it will be for melo but i guarentee they will trade for somebody
many executives don't think cousins will be in Sacramento come march. I can't think of a better match, for both sides. Boston seems willing to unload as many picks/assets for a star as they can, even if he's on an expiring deal.
is eligible for an in-season extension of roughly 3 years 75 million, Berman claims they might consider this late in the season but not right now. I'd like to move on from Rose long term but this seems like the smartest approach. If he plays well all season and stays healthy you revisit this. Right now it would be absolute lunacy
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is eligible for an in-season extension of roughly 3 years 75 million, Berman claims they might consider this late in the season but not right now. I'd like to move on from Rose long term but this seems like the smartest approach. If he plays well all season and stays healthy you revisit this. Right now it would be absolute lunacy
yeah you can not do it now, but if you plan on bringing him back, it would be smart to do it in season,
is eligible for an in-season extension of roughly 3 years 75 million, Berman claims they might consider this late in the season but not right now. I'd like to move on from Rose long term but this seems like the smartest approach. If he plays well all season and stays healthy you revisit this. Right now it would be absolute lunacy
Is there a deadline? If the Knicks are out of it by the trade deadline I think there's a legitimate chance of at least the discussions of Melo moving on. Again, don't know who would trade for him at this point but at this rate teams will give at least starting low ball offers for him considering his contract isn't really that bad. .
If you move on from Melo it Doesn't make much sense to keep Rose around. There's really no FAs that the Knicks can get/would be willing to come here to help them compete.
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a little too much for my taste. If he doesn't get to the rim, I'd rather he didn't shoot unless there is no time on the clock. Defensively, I thought he's been sort of lazy the last few games. As was pointed out above, he's lazy to get through or around picks. His instincts are good which allows him to steal passes and get some blocks, but he needs a better effort on defense, IMO. Melo just needs some effort. I am so sick of that flying 1 armed swat that rarely works instead of just bodying up.
Regarding any trade with melo, it's not happening. I cannot see melo agreeing to go anywhere unless the knicks are terrible come trade deadline and melo feels immense pressures. Without his blessing, whats the point of discussing?
is eligible for an in-season extension of roughly 3 years 75 million, Berman claims they might consider this late in the season but not right now. I'd like to move on from Rose long term but this seems like the smartest approach. If he plays well all season and stays healthy you revisit this. Right now it would be absolute lunacy
Is there a deadline? If the Knicks are out of it by the trade deadline I think there's a legitimate chance of at least the discussions of Melo moving on. Again, don't know who would trade for him at this point but at this rate teams will give at least starting low ball offers for him considering his contract isn't really that bad. .
If you move on from Melo it Doesn't make much sense to keep Rose around. There's really no FAs that the Knicks can get/would be willing to come here to help them compete.
No mention of a deadline. Here is the blurb
According to an NBA source, the Knicks have not approached Rose about an extension, but have not ruled it out for late in the season. The Knicks apparently want to make sure his body holds up across a full season and would be willing to pay more this summer if they had to.
Rose is the 14th-highest paid player in the NBA this season at $21.3 million. If he signs an extension now, next season’s salary begin at $23 million. His wage would go to $24.6M in Year 2 and $26.2M in Year 3.
Not bad — unless you believe Rose will play his way into a max deal this summer, considering the escalating salary cap and ridiculous pacts being dispensed.
If he waits until this summer, Rose’s maximum starting salary could be as high as $29 million. That would allow him a chance to sign a 5-year package worth $175 million if he stays with the Knicks — four years if he leaves.
Rose, 28, said he wanted to learn more about those specifics. Players in similar boats are Utah’s George Hill and Derrick Favors and Indiana’s Paul George. Link - ( New Window )
take the 3 years now than the 5 years later. Regardless of how well he plays now I want 0.0% part of age 32-34 rose.
Let someone else pay him big money. He's been okay this year but hes horrendous on defense. I'd rather pay Jennings and bring in another backup.
I'm completely on board but both you and I know that Rose will be back in Knicks uniform for more than just this season. I'd rather that be 3 years than 5. 2 would be ideal but he would never accept that.
I know its beyond a longshot for him to get traded this year but lets just have fun with it. Possible destinations.
Clippers- could actually really help that team but Knicks wouldn't get much back. Probably Redick and Jamal Crawford to match salaries. Would you do it?
Toronto- Definitely fits in their team and Raptors have plenty to trade. Would be shocked if he waived his no trade to go there.
Miami- Looks like they are tanking.
Lakers- young, up and coming team. Doubt they are trading for Melo.
Milwaukee- Melo and Kidd are close but I doubt he waives his no trade to go here.
Houston- They wanted him bad as a FA but with D'Antoni there its not happening.
Chicago- Could see him waiving his no trade to go play with Wade. Taj Gibson and cap filler?
Cavs- I always thought this could be a good on court fit and was really hoping the 3way trade with Boston and Love would happen this past offseason. Love seems pretty entrenched there now though and the Cavs are rolling. Would they trade Frye/ Dunleavy/ Shumpert type package to bring Melo in? Not sure they could fit everyone and would hurt their depth.
Boston- I just don't see Melo wanting to go there.
Only realistic options seem to be Chicago and the Clippers.
What do you guys think?
IMO it is too early to know which way to go with Rose Â
I'd learn towards letting him sign elsewhere...don't want to blow up more cap space on an aging star.
That said, he's clearly healthy right now and playing hard, and we haven't had a PG with this kind of ability often since the early 70s. Marbury played at this level for a little while before he got weird.
Would love to dump Noah on someone, but good luck with that
If we were going to trade Melo, the time was 2 years ago when his value was higher. I think it would be hard to find a taker (sucker) now
I know its beyond a longshot for him to get traded this year but lets just have fun with it. Possible destinations.
Clippers- could actually really help that team but Knicks wouldn't get much back. Probably Redick and Jamal Crawford to match salaries. Would you do it?
Toronto- Definitely fits in their team and Raptors have plenty to trade. Would be shocked if he waived his no trade to go there.
Miami- Looks like they are tanking.
Lakers- young, up and coming team. Doubt they are trading for Melo.
Milwaukee- Melo and Kidd are close but I doubt he waives his no trade to go here.
Houston- They wanted him bad as a FA but with D'Antoni there its not happening.
Chicago- Could see him waiving his no trade to go play with Wade. Taj Gibson and cap filler?
Cavs- I always thought this could be a good on court fit and was really hoping the 3way trade with Boston and Love would happen this past offseason. Love seems pretty entrenched there now though and the Cavs are rolling. Would they trade Frye/ Dunleavy/ Shumpert type package to bring Melo in? Not sure they could fit everyone and would hurt their depth.
Boston- I just don't see Melo wanting to go there.
Only realistic options seem to be Chicago and the Clippers.
What do you guys think?
Clips- they would not do that. It's gonna be weird to say but I think Reddick is much more valuable to their team than Melo would be. He requires 0 ball dominance and can single handedly win them games by hitting open 3s CP3 sets up for him. They may arguably be the 3rd or even 2nd best team in the NBA right now.
Toronto- Who would they offer? I think it would take Ross + Poetl + Nogiera + Powell to get it done. Which isn't an awful haul, but I don't know if both sides would do it.
Milwaukee- They already have their Melo in Jabari Parkersburg
Cavs- lol hell no. They just won the championship with Love accepting a lesser role but contributing on the glass in the finals series. I think he's flat out better than Melo at this point.
Chicago- No chance in hell. They have arguably the 3 most ball dominant players at the PG, SG, and SF positions in the league. Makes no sense to trade for Melo.
destination for Melo at this point. Maybe something comes up over the summer as teams could potentially absorb him into cap space - but even that is tricky as the cap is not expected to rise as much as originally thought. If I had to bet, I'd say he opts out of his deal after next season and leaves.
but I have no faith in this team right now until they find a HC that preaches defense first. I love the young talent and I can even live some of the vets but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with this style of play. Simple as that.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
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destination for Melo at this point. Maybe something comes up over the summer as teams could potentially absorb him into cap space - but even that is tricky as the cap is not expected to rise as much as originally thought. If I had to bet, I'd say he opts out of his deal after next season and leaves.
You are probably right but do you see Melo leaving 28 mill on the table to opt out at the age of 34?
Time for Holiday, big Willy, and Kuzmingas to play more. On the bright side, I have been impressed with Lee and think it will turn out to be a very good signing.
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but I have no faith in this team right now until they find a HC that preaches defense first. I love the young talent and I can even live some of the vets but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with this style of play. Simple as that.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Long term, the prognosis is murky at best. We have the foundational player, but little else in terms of long term assets that is a sure thing. The Wolves, Jazz, Sixers, Lakers all have a much bigger foundation to build off of them we do for the future. Having said that, Hornacek is definitely not the problem. Personnel is and the vision of what this team is. Phil has no idea and keeps changing it up. It all falls on him.
destination for Melo at this point. Maybe something comes up over the summer as teams could potentially absorb him into cap space - but even that is tricky as the cap is not expected to rise as much as originally thought. If I had to bet, I'd say he opts out of his deal after next season and leaves.
You are probably right but do you see Melo leaving 28 mill on the table to opt out at the age of 34?
it all depends on who has cap room. Maybe he opts out and takes something like 2/50 or 3/60 with player options from another team...or something like that.
Up until Saturday, Melo had been having one of the more efficient season in his career at a high usage rate. Two bad games doesn't suddenly erase the previous 15. Now with KP on the team, he's getting Ewing treatment from fans. The guy has been the focal point of every team he has played on for 13 years.
As for the Rose defense stuff, that's kind of more nonsense as well. Rose's defense has been much better over the past 5+ games. As for PnR defense - that's been the Knicks' weakness the entire year. Obviously they still need to work on it, especially given that their "defensive anchor" is still getting his legs and learning about his teammates each game.
As for Noah being a black hole on offense, do we not remember Tyson Chandler? Yes, his shooting % by the basket was quite good, but he was confined to mainly dunks and layups. On offense he still needs to cut to the basket more, but again - it will require time to fine tune the offense. And not to mention his passing is probably tops for his position in the entire NBA. The fact that people are outraged by him making $18M per year, in a league where Timofey Mozgov and Ian Mahinmi are each making $16M per year, it makes me believe that some fans really lack any critical analysis skills. Will that contract look worse in the 3rd or 4th years? Most likely, yea. But it won't be the albatross-type deal that has been associated with this organization since the early 2000s.
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so. He's cost controlled and pretty solid. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future. I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
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but I have no faith in this team right now until they find a HC that preaches defense first. I love the young talent and I can even live some of the vets but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with this style of play. Simple as that.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Thibs preaches defense. Minnesota is already regretting that contract. Hes made Towns into a jump shooter.
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but I have no faith in this team right now until they find a HC that preaches defense first. I love the young talent and I can even live some of the vets but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with this style of play. Simple as that.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Long term, the prognosis is murky at best. We have the foundational player, but little else in terms of long term assets that is a sure thing. The Wolves, Jazz, Sixers, Lakers all have a much bigger foundation to build off of them we do for the future. Having said that, Hornacek is definitely not the problem. Personnel is and the vision of what this team is. Phil has no idea and keeps changing it up. It all falls on him.
I disagree that Horn isn't the problem. When guys aren't getting back on D time and time again I go right to the HC every time.
We need a real HC. I will keep saying it. Horn is a nice guy...hard worker. Damn good player. Maybe he's got a place in the NBA but he's not the guy that will turn the Knicks around. The Knicks need a General Patton. Horn isn't that guy. And it's as clear as day.
I saw the Knicks give up a fast break basket AFTER they actually scored. The system is catering to the offensive mentality that players love. IT's not going to work. I guarantee it.
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
the focus on Rose and yet Noah has basically been ignored. This signing looks brutal right about now. He's looking like a guy who will go down in Knicks lore as yet another "get paid by the Knicks at the twilight of your career".
the years Harden and Westbrook are having. Their numbers are generational. And yet, something about it seems superficial. I mean you have guys like Lebron, Butler, Durant, Curry wont even get MVP consideration - but actually might be having better years, just a lot less usage. Anthony Davis made a mistake signing long term in NO. Just wasting his career there.
Crazy start to the NBA year. But in reality, everyone is still playing for 2nd in their conference which really has put a dull on the season.
If he ever masters a jump shot, he'll go from star to generational player.
Agreed. He has the potential to be the kind of player where for a decade "he could be the next Greek Freak!" He's truly freakish. Bucks are a weird team and are missing their 2nd best player (for likely most of the season) but they could quietly be pretty dangerous. Ideally they would find a taker for Monroe. How many teams have a better young trio than GF, Parker, Middleton with Henson being solid, Brogdan looking solid and Maker a major wild card? Being without Middleton is killer.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
Great. And I still love the young talent on this team. Go shit in someone else's cheerios.
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Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
I guess this may be me being ignorant of how to run a very small market team but the Bucks have some very questionable signings in terms of contracts and usage.
Right now they have $65M a year (!!!!) committed to Monroe, Henson, plumlee, delladova, teletovic and Sanders (I know he was stretch waived). Do any of those players outside Delly get more than 20 minutes a game? It seems like the Bucks paid literally any young-ish talent they came across before they had the opportunity to trade them.
Im not exactly sure if any of those guys have any trade value either (maybe Henson?).
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
Great. And I still love the young talent on this team. Go shit in someone else's cheerios.
Well in reality there's very little young talent on this team. Maybe preach your bullshit somewhere else?
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Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
I guess this may be me being ignorant of how to run a very small market team but the Bucks have some very questionable signings in terms of contracts and usage.
Right now they have $65M a year (!!!!) committed to Monroe, Henson, plumlee, delladova, teletovic and Sanders (I know he was stretch waived). Do any of those players outside Delly get more than 20 minutes a game? It seems like the Bucks paid literally any young-ish talent they came across before they had the opportunity to trade them.
Im not exactly sure if any of those guys have any trade value either (maybe Henson?).
In fairness the Bucks NEED to overpay to keep/sign players given their market. Delladova looked ridiculous but Monroe looked like a solid signing price wise (not so much fit) and Henson makes basically half of what Noah does. They were clearly betting on his upside
"It's also about time that Henson gets a chance at steady playing time after displaying tons of potential in smaller roles. Over the last three seasons, Henson has averaged 15 points, 10.2 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per 36 minutes. The only four players who blocked more shots per game than Henson last season were Anthony Davis, Serge Ibaka, Rudy Gobert and DeAndre Jordan. Henson, meanwhile, played just 18 minutes per game."
hard to see how Minny is 5-12 with the talent on that team. Despite their record I don't think we match up that well with them.
Ehh yes they have talent but they atill do not play together and they are mainly offensive players, who are their good defensive players besides towns?
knicks should sweep this home and home..
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Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
they had middleton last year and they still sucked...
they screwed up when they traded knight away and it completely killed their team...
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but i wish he would go to boston, they are desperate for a name superstar...
crowder and brooklyns 1st is a deal i would do in a second...
melo right now just doesnt seem to want to take a step back and play off the ball..
last night rose was hot and melo continued to take the ball up the court..
I would 100% not do that if I were Boston.
it was rumored that that was the package boston offered but it never went anywhere because melo said no ..
and ainge is desperate he is going to make a stupid trade soon
Rumored last year or this year? I think the Horford signing might've changed things. Crowder might be one of the last guys Ainge would be willing to part with. Maybe he'd do it for some combination of olynyk, smart, Amir Johnson and maybe brown.
But the more I think of it the more I doubt Stevens would be eager to toss in Melo into the lineup. Their biggest need is a dominant Big that can grab boards and protect the paint. Melo doesn't really fit the bill.
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Those who are not running the teams offense and are stinking up the joint need to sit.
Seems like he was afraid to take Melo out on Saturday and Melo was clearly tired and way off, and last night when the ball movement and momentum died with Melo he should have been shown the bench.
Two set's of rules never work.
i thought the rose lee holiday kp noah lineip started playimg well in the 4th, i think he should of kept melo on the bench...
holiday in my opinion needs more minutes
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but i wish he would go to boston, they are desperate for a name superstar...
crowder and brooklyns 1st is a deal i would do in a second...
melo right now just doesnt seem to want to take a step back and play off the ball..
last night rose was hot and melo continued to take the ball up the court..
I would 100% not do that if I were Boston.
it was rumored that that was the package boston offered but it never went anywhere because melo said no ..
and ainge is desperate he is going to make a stupid trade soon
Rumored last year or this year? I think the Horford signing might've changed things. Crowder might be one of the last guys Ainge would be willing to part with. Maybe he'd do it for some combination of olynyk, smart, Amir Johnson and maybe brown.
But the more I think of it the more I doubt Stevens would be eager to toss in Melo into the lineup. Their biggest need is a dominant Big that can grab boards and protect the paint. Melo doesn't really fit the bill.
ainge is actively looking for a superstar..
that team as currently constructed has a ceiling, they have the draft picks to swing for the fences..
not saying it will be for melo but i guarentee they will trade for somebody
Jonas Jerbko
Jaylen Brown and a future 1
yeah you can not do it now, but if you plan on bringing him back, it would be smart to do it in season,
Is there a deadline? If the Knicks are out of it by the trade deadline I think there's a legitimate chance of at least the discussions of Melo moving on. Again, don't know who would trade for him at this point but at this rate teams will give at least starting low ball offers for him considering his contract isn't really that bad. .
If you move on from Melo it Doesn't make much sense to keep Rose around. There's really no FAs that the Knicks can get/would be willing to come here to help them compete.
Regarding any trade with melo, it's not happening. I cannot see melo agreeing to go anywhere unless the knicks are terrible come trade deadline and melo feels immense pressures. Without his blessing, whats the point of discussing?
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is eligible for an in-season extension of roughly 3 years 75 million, Berman claims they might consider this late in the season but not right now. I'd like to move on from Rose long term but this seems like the smartest approach. If he plays well all season and stays healthy you revisit this. Right now it would be absolute lunacy
Is there a deadline? If the Knicks are out of it by the trade deadline I think there's a legitimate chance of at least the discussions of Melo moving on. Again, don't know who would trade for him at this point but at this rate teams will give at least starting low ball offers for him considering his contract isn't really that bad. .
If you move on from Melo it Doesn't make much sense to keep Rose around. There's really no FAs that the Knicks can get/would be willing to come here to help them compete.
No mention of a deadline. Here is the blurb
According to an NBA source, the Knicks have not approached Rose about an extension, but have not ruled it out for late in the season. The Knicks apparently want to make sure his body holds up across a full season and would be willing to pay more this summer if they had to.
Rose is the 14th-highest paid player in the NBA this season at $21.3 million. If he signs an extension now, next season’s salary begin at $23 million. His wage would go to $24.6M in Year 2 and $26.2M in Year 3.
Not bad — unless you believe Rose will play his way into a max deal this summer, considering the escalating salary cap and ridiculous pacts being dispensed.
If he waits until this summer, Rose’s maximum starting salary could be as high as $29 million. That would allow him a chance to sign a 5-year package worth $175 million if he stays with the Knicks — four years if he leaves.
Rose, 28, said he wanted to learn more about those specifics. Players in similar boats are Utah’s George Hill and Derrick Favors and Indiana’s Paul George.
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Let someone else pay him big money. He's been okay this year but hes horrendous on defense. I'd rather pay Jennings and bring in another backup.
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take the 3 years now than the 5 years later. Regardless of how well he plays now I want 0.0% part of age 32-34 rose.
Let someone else pay him big money. He's been okay this year but hes horrendous on defense. I'd rather pay Jennings and bring in another backup.
I'm completely on board but both you and I know that Rose will be back in Knicks uniform for more than just this season. I'd rather that be 3 years than 5. 2 would be ideal but he would never accept that.
i wouldnt be surprised if both rose and jennings are back as long as the knicks as a team continue to improve
Clippers- could actually really help that team but Knicks wouldn't get much back. Probably Redick and Jamal Crawford to match salaries. Would you do it?
Toronto- Definitely fits in their team and Raptors have plenty to trade. Would be shocked if he waived his no trade to go there.
Miami- Looks like they are tanking.
Lakers- young, up and coming team. Doubt they are trading for Melo.
Milwaukee- Melo and Kidd are close but I doubt he waives his no trade to go here.
Houston- They wanted him bad as a FA but with D'Antoni there its not happening.
Chicago- Could see him waiving his no trade to go play with Wade. Taj Gibson and cap filler?
Cavs- I always thought this could be a good on court fit and was really hoping the 3way trade with Boston and Love would happen this past offseason. Love seems pretty entrenched there now though and the Cavs are rolling. Would they trade Frye/ Dunleavy/ Shumpert type package to bring Melo in? Not sure they could fit everyone and would hurt their depth.
Boston- I just don't see Melo wanting to go there.
Only realistic options seem to be Chicago and the Clippers.
What do you guys think?
That said, he's clearly healthy right now and playing hard, and we haven't had a PG with this kind of ability often since the early 70s. Marbury played at this level for a little while before he got weird.
Would love to dump Noah on someone, but good luck with that
If we were going to trade Melo, the time was 2 years ago when his value was higher. I think it would be hard to find a taker (sucker) now
Clippers- could actually really help that team but Knicks wouldn't get much back. Probably Redick and Jamal Crawford to match salaries. Would you do it?
Toronto- Definitely fits in their team and Raptors have plenty to trade. Would be shocked if he waived his no trade to go there.
Miami- Looks like they are tanking.
Lakers- young, up and coming team. Doubt they are trading for Melo.
Milwaukee- Melo and Kidd are close but I doubt he waives his no trade to go here.
Houston- They wanted him bad as a FA but with D'Antoni there its not happening.
Chicago- Could see him waiving his no trade to go play with Wade. Taj Gibson and cap filler?
Cavs- I always thought this could be a good on court fit and was really hoping the 3way trade with Boston and Love would happen this past offseason. Love seems pretty entrenched there now though and the Cavs are rolling. Would they trade Frye/ Dunleavy/ Shumpert type package to bring Melo in? Not sure they could fit everyone and would hurt their depth.
Boston- I just don't see Melo wanting to go there.
Only realistic options seem to be Chicago and the Clippers.
What do you guys think?
Clips- they would not do that. It's gonna be weird to say but I think Reddick is much more valuable to their team than Melo would be. He requires 0 ball dominance and can single handedly win them games by hitting open 3s CP3 sets up for him. They may arguably be the 3rd or even 2nd best team in the NBA right now.
Toronto- Who would they offer? I think it would take Ross + Poetl + Nogiera + Powell to get it done. Which isn't an awful haul, but I don't know if both sides would do it.
Milwaukee- They already have their Melo in Jabari Parkersburg
Cavs- lol hell no. They just won the championship with Love accepting a lesser role but contributing on the glass in the finals series. I think he's flat out better than Melo at this point.
Chicago- No chance in hell. They have arguably the 3 most ball dominant players at the PG, SG, and SF positions in the league. Makes no sense to trade for Melo.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
young talent? There's exactly TWO players on this roster that one could reasonably call "young talent".
Butler is their small forward and is having a MVP type year. Wade has fit in better than expected and Gibson is their best interior defender.
You are probably right but do you see Melo leaving 28 mill on the table to opt out at the age of 34?
Time for Holiday, big Willy, and Kuzmingas to play more. On the bright side, I have been impressed with Lee and think it will turn out to be a very good signing.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Long term, the prognosis is murky at best. We have the foundational player, but little else in terms of long term assets that is a sure thing. The Wolves, Jazz, Sixers, Lakers all have a much bigger foundation to build off of them we do for the future. Having said that, Hornacek is definitely not the problem. Personnel is and the vision of what this team is. Phil has no idea and keeps changing it up. It all falls on him.
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destination for Melo at this point. Maybe something comes up over the summer as teams could potentially absorb him into cap space - but even that is tricky as the cap is not expected to rise as much as originally thought. If I had to bet, I'd say he opts out of his deal after next season and leaves.
You are probably right but do you see Melo leaving 28 mill on the table to opt out at the age of 34?
it all depends on who has cap room. Maybe he opts out and takes something like 2/50 or 3/60 with player options from another team...or something like that.
As for the Rose defense stuff, that's kind of more nonsense as well. Rose's defense has been much better over the past 5+ games. As for PnR defense - that's been the Knicks' weakness the entire year. Obviously they still need to work on it, especially given that their "defensive anchor" is still getting his legs and learning about his teammates each game.
As for Noah being a black hole on offense, do we not remember Tyson Chandler? Yes, his shooting % by the basket was quite good, but he was confined to mainly dunks and layups. On offense he still needs to cut to the basket more, but again - it will require time to fine tune the offense. And not to mention his passing is probably tops for his position in the entire NBA. The fact that people are outraged by him making $18M per year, in a league where Timofey Mozgov and Ian Mahinmi are each making $16M per year, it makes me believe that some fans really lack any critical analysis skills. Will that contract look worse in the 3rd or 4th years? Most likely, yea. But it won't be the albatross-type deal that has been associated with this organization since the early 2000s.
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so. He's cost controlled and pretty solid. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future. I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Thibs preaches defense. Minnesota is already regretting that contract. Hes made Towns into a jump shooter.
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but I have no faith in this team right now until they find a HC that preaches defense first. I love the young talent and I can even live some of the vets but the Knicks aren't going anywhere with this style of play. Simple as that.
Bring in a real HC please. Let Horn win 48 games for an over achieving team out west.
Long term, the prognosis is murky at best. We have the foundational player, but little else in terms of long term assets that is a sure thing. The Wolves, Jazz, Sixers, Lakers all have a much bigger foundation to build off of them we do for the future. Having said that, Hornacek is definitely not the problem. Personnel is and the vision of what this team is. Phil has no idea and keeps changing it up. It all falls on him.
I disagree that Horn isn't the problem. When guys aren't getting back on D time and time again I go right to the HC every time.
We need a real HC. I will keep saying it. Horn is a nice guy...hard worker. Damn good player. Maybe he's got a place in the NBA but he's not the guy that will turn the Knicks around. The Knicks need a General Patton. Horn isn't that guy. And it's as clear as day.
I saw the Knicks give up a fast break basket AFTER they actually scored. The system is catering to the offensive mentality that players love. IT's not going to work. I guarantee it.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
I think he's going to be a perennial MVP candidate in the prime of his career. I daresay his ceiling is hire than Paul George's.
Crazy start to the NBA year. But in reality, everyone is still playing for 2nd in their conference which really has put a dull on the season.
Really sucks Middleton got hurt. He's their second best player. Brogdon, Gianns and Middleton can bolster a strong perimeter defense together.
Agreed. He has the potential to be the kind of player where for a decade "he could be the next Greek Freak!" He's truly freakish. Bucks are a weird team and are missing their 2nd best player (for likely most of the season) but they could quietly be pretty dangerous. Ideally they would find a taker for Monroe. How many teams have a better young trio than GF, Parker, Middleton with Henson being solid, Brogdan looking solid and Maker a major wild card? Being without Middleton is killer.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
Great. And I still love the young talent on this team. Go shit in someone else's cheerios.
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that don't really fit together well.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
I guess this may be me being ignorant of how to run a very small market team but the Bucks have some very questionable signings in terms of contracts and usage.
Right now they have $65M a year (!!!!) committed to Monroe, Henson, plumlee, delladova, teletovic and Sanders (I know he was stretch waived). Do any of those players outside Delly get more than 20 minutes a game? It seems like the Bucks paid literally any young-ish talent they came across before they had the opportunity to trade them.
Im not exactly sure if any of those guys have any trade value either (maybe Henson?).
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I'd add cheese to the mix even though he's 28 or so.
He's cost controlled and pretty solid. he's controlled for one year after this. Even O'quinn is pretty young.
I like both of these guys but at best they are bench players on a good team. And what are the chances both are still on the roster 2 years from now?
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Honestly, you're missing the point anyway. KP is enough to say the Knicks have a bright future.
Anthony Davis would like a word with you.
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I know that means giving Jackson a shred of credit...sorry.
He trusted his scouts and nailed a lottery pick. Good for him. Unfortunately it takes a lot more than that to build a consistent winner.
Great. And I still love the young talent on this team. Go shit in someone else's cheerios.
Well in reality there's very little young talent on this team. Maybe preach your bullshit somewhere else?
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that don't really fit together well.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
I guess this may be me being ignorant of how to run a very small market team but the Bucks have some very questionable signings in terms of contracts and usage.
Right now they have $65M a year (!!!!) committed to Monroe, Henson, plumlee, delladova, teletovic and Sanders (I know he was stretch waived). Do any of those players outside Delly get more than 20 minutes a game? It seems like the Bucks paid literally any young-ish talent they came across before they had the opportunity to trade them.
Im not exactly sure if any of those guys have any trade value either (maybe Henson?).
In fairness the Bucks NEED to overpay to keep/sign players given their market. Delladova looked ridiculous but Monroe looked like a solid signing price wise (not so much fit) and Henson makes basically half of what Noah does. They were clearly betting on his upside
"It's also about time that Henson gets a chance at steady playing time after displaying tons of potential in smaller roles. Over the last three seasons, Henson has averaged 15 points, 10.2 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per 36 minutes. The only four players who blocked more shots per game than Henson last season were Anthony Davis, Serge Ibaka, Rudy Gobert and DeAndre Jordan. Henson, meanwhile, played just 18 minutes per game."
Ehh yes they have talent but they atill do not play together and they are mainly offensive players, who are their good defensive players besides towns?
knicks should sweep this home and home..
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that don't really fit together well.
Agreed but I'd rather have useful pieces aka trade value than not. Like I said, if Middleton weren't hurt I suspect they would be near the top of the Eastern Conference (not exactly a stretch when the 3 seed is 3 games ahead of them).
they had middleton last year and they still sucked...
they screwed up when they traded knight away and it completely killed their team...
monroe is a center who plays zero defense..