So now we have the Eagles and GB both at 5-6. Both a game and a half out of the last playoff spot.
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NY Times simulator (running it 3 times to see simulator variability):
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If MIN wins Thursday night:
NYG seed:
#1) 7%, 11%, 10%
#2) 5%, 3%, 4%
#3) 1%, 1%, 2%
#4) 1%, less than 1%, 1%
#5) 45%, 47%, 46%
#6) 21%, 19%, 17%
No playoffs: 20%, 19%, 20%
If DAL wins Thursday night:
NYG seed:
#1) 3%, 5%, 3%
#2) less than 1%, 1%, less than 1%
#3) less than 1%, 1%, less than 1%
#4) less than 1%, less than 1%, less than 1%
#5) 60% 54%, 62%
#6) 21%, 22%, 19%
No playoffs: 16%, 17%, 16%
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Quick Summary
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To win division essentially need to beat DAL and make up 1 other game in the standings on DAL.
Very few ways not to make it at 11-5. Will require 2 from the set (WAS, MIN, TB) to win out and other stuff as well.
At 10-6 siginificant problem arise if two teams from the set (WAS, MIN, TB) lose only once.
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Division Standings
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DAL 10-1 NYG 8-3 WAS 6.5-4.5 PHI 5-6
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WILD CARD
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+ = Giants have head-to-head win
? = will play the Giants
- = Giants have head-to-head loss
0 = won't play the Giants
I don't address possibility of NYG tiebreaks with the teams that have played a tie.
DAL (+?) 10-1 (6-1 CONF) (current NFC East leader)
SEA 7.5-3.5 (current NFC West leader)
DET (?) 7-4 (5-2 CONF) (current NFC North leader)
ATL (0) 7-4 (5-3 CONF) (current NFC south leader)
NYG 8-3 (5-3 CONF) (current wild card 1)
WAS 6.5-4.5 (current wild card 2)
TB (0) 6-5 (5-3 CONF) (wins 2-way tiebreak vs. NYG at 10-6 or 11-5)
MIN (-) 6-5 (4-5 CONF)
NO (+) 5-6 (4-3 CONF)
GB (-) 5-6 (4-4 CONF)
PHI (+?) 5-6 (3-6 CONF)
ARI 4.5-6.5
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Detailed scenarios
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NYG at 13-3:
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NYG get #1 seed if DAL loses to at least 1 team besides NYG. NYG get #5 seed otherwise.
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NYG at 12-4 loss is not to DAL:
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NYG win division if DAL loses to at least 2 teams besides NYG. NYG get #5 seed otherwise.
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NYG at 12-4 loss is to DAL:
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NYG win division if
DAL loses to PHI AND MIN AND DET AND TB
OR
DAL loses to PHI AND MIN AND DET AND NYG take strength of victory
NYG get #5 seed otherwise.
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NYG at 11-5
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DAL wins division if they beat NYG or 2 teams other than NYG. If this doesn't happen and WAS loses 1 game, NYG wins division.
Assuming DAL wins the division the only threats to the Giants are:
Case 1) WAS winning out
Case 2) MIN winning out AND DET goes 11-5 or 12-4.
Case 3) ATL/TB 2nd place team going 11-5. This requires a TB win out and ATL going 11-5 or 12-4. If ATL and TB goes 11-5 there are some cases for which tiebreaks are TBD.
Two of these cases have to happen for the Giants to be eliminated.
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NYG at 10-6
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Assume that DAL wins 1 game (DAL wins division). And assume that GB and NO do not win out (for simplicity).
Then the only threats to NYG are
Case 1) WAS goes 4-1 to get to 10-5-1
Case 2)
MIN going 4-1 to get to 10-6 AND DET doing 10-6 or better
OR
MIN wins out AND DET goes 10-6 and NYG lose to DET
Case 3) the 2nd place team from TB/ATL gets to 10-6 or 11-5. If ATL is the 10-6 team there are some tiebreakers that are TBD.
Case 4) PHI wins out to get to 10-6 AND PHI takes a tiebreak from NYG by having the same or better record vs DAL and WAS (PHI 2-2 in this scenario, NYG currently 1-1).
Two of these cases would have to happen for the Giants to be eliminated.
After all, what's the point of the playoffs if there are teams remaining you can't beat that you will have to face?
I want to believe we can beat everyone, particularly in January/February. It starts now. Having said that - if we can at least win three of the five we are looking very good to get in. The four scenarios you outline there are constantly looking better to me.
Thanks for all your work you do on this.
Philadelphia
Washington
Dallas
We win those three games and we are 11-5. It would be nice to beat Pittsburgh but the bigger win would be Detroit. However, I do not see anyone on the schedule that the Gmen would need to fear. The Giants can beat any of those teams.
This . . . throw in Minnesota and Washington wins to add fuel to the fire.
if you assume win over Cowboys but nothing else, probability of winning division is given as about 25%.
Definitely agree. We need two more NFC Conference wins........
Definitely agree. We need two more NFC Conference wins........
This only matters in tiebreaks involving ATL. Whether they finish 6-6 or 7-5 in the conference doesn't help them with
anything else.
This is the case because we will play most of the other possible WC competitors head-to-head and because Tampa Bay, who we won't play, already has the conference tiebreaker against us locked up.
So, bottom line, the Steelers game is just about as important as the NFC games. A win's a win.