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12. As for Shattenkirk, in all of last summer’s rumours, I didn’t realize until last week that some teams were actually allowed to talk to him. As usual, the particular clubs and agent Jordan Neumann weren’t talking, but Arizona and Edmonton had their shot. Don’t think Shattenkirk was too interested in Northern Alberta, but the Coyotes apparently did make some headway. A few teams believe the Connecticut-born defender eyes the New York Rangers, but that will take some salary-cap dancing.
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Good stuff. The analytics approach, so embraced here on BBI by some of the core--and the skepticism that Hurdle and Rowe had/have to deal with: heading down on the train Sunday night, seeing so many Rangers' faithful in their traditional Blueshirts with the diagonal rwb lettering, it's difficult to reconcile that expression of tradition with the metrics oriented direction of much of the league; but many here are taking the bit between the teeth and leading.
I'm actually sort of skeptical of Florida - I think they made a number of high-risk moves this off-season at a time where the franchise didn't need them. I like Yandle, but that deal is really high-risk. It could be a disaster in year three or four when the Panthers should be in prime Cup contention years.
I thought at first that he never recovered from his earlier injury, but if he was wouldn't AV have sat him by now?
The 30 thoughts article I linked above talked about Carle's decline and how he never really recovered from an injury and never felt comfortable after surgery. Even Redden talked about feeling the surprising decline in an article a year or two ago - I'm curious on how teams track those things.
'Canes had no answers for Nash; that carry the length of the ice and not one d'man could catch him or get close enough to get a body on him, and that seemingly harmless flick of the backhand, umpapa
Haven't seen the Rangers dump and chase in the attacking zone like that all season, thought I was watching Torts' team; Doogs mentioned this, Carolina was just so good at its blue line.
Crazy wild at the end, lots of Rangers throwing themselves in the way of Carolina shots, not the Valiquette version (it was a very good piece), but prostrating themselves in front. Henrik has to clean up the 5 hole, it's been a problem the last couple of weeks
Haven't seen the Rangers dump and chase in the attacking zone like that all season, thought I was watching Torts' team; Doogs mentioned this, Carolina was just so good at its blue line.
Think we're gonna see a lot of this from opposing teams, part of the adjustment defenses are making against us. Negating our speed with the trap, forcing more of a dump and chase game which isn't exactly the specialty for a lot of our forwards. Need to adjust.
12 shots on goal through 2 periods was ugly but they had a nice 3rd period.
...I didn't get a chance to follow the thread during the game but was reading what you guys thought this AM.
Kyle I think it was you a few days ago but you made excellent points about Lundqvist. I think MAB and I were frustrated at the Pittsburgh game.
In my humble opinion, the eye test tells me that he doesn't look sharp at times. The stats indicate otherwise. The positive thing I will say is that he has been amazing late in games. So while he may let in softie here and there, he is still reliable.
That was a good win last night against a team that was playing well.
prior to that (at Carolina, at Colombus) were ridiculous. His Philly game was excellent, but in general HL has another gear and he'll be the first to say so. I look forward to seeing it though I dont think he's a Vezina contender anymore, in my honest opinion. Still really good - top 10 for sure, but not at a Price / Schneider level any more. Shoot me if you like.
The Corsi trends are really concerning, though I suppose when you looked at the team in preseason it shouldnt be terribly surprising. We also really miss Zibanejad and Buchnevich - sure all teams have injuries and no one feels sorry for NJ (lost 6 of 7) with Hall out.... but this team's competitive advantage was rolling out 4 lines that could all do damage. Losing 2 explosive offensive players and replacing them with Lindberg, Jooris and a guy we picked up off waivers hurts.
Hopefully we'll adjust to the way defenses are playing us and generate more scoring chances - the goals are still coming to a degree (ex Ottawa) but its not sustainable when you only put 20 shots on net a night.
On to Buffalo (would have been nice to miss Eichel once this year, damn)
Also - just one OT game in 24 contests now. Incredible. Wouldnt it be great if the NHL rewarded 16 regulation wins appropriately, damnit.
going forward if teams are going to stand up the blue line or trap. Luckily we have big forwards with speed who can get into the corners. I think we're going to have to prove that we can score that way before teams let up a little on contesting zone entries.
One of the upsides of this is that it takes pressure of the Ds, who are not good with the puck. Still would like to see Clendo get in a fucking game. But that's not going to happen because Girardi and Klein have spots for life.
I will never understand why AV doesn't rotate guys more.
Not only was November busy - but we play 10 games over 18 days coming up as well. Apparently these compressed schedules are due to newly instituted second half bye weeks and the preseason tournament ... Through on the latter I thought season always started mid October so ... Surprised. All teams seem to be affected though.
who got less run than Clendo is getting and cant think of anyone. Allegiance to vets aside, I wonder whether AV affirmatively dislikes his game.
I'm curious on what AV values after seeing the team let Stralman walk, put Yandle on the third pair, bench Clendening, keep putting Girardi on the top pairing, and continuously playing Klein. I'm hoping Gorton views dmen differently than AV does.
I had written out the following a couple of hours ago, in response to the back and forth on Clendening but decided not to muck up the home team, so, I guess it would have been ok:
"a popular meme on Giants' threads during the last of the TC years was whether he and Reese were on the same page re. player usage, snaps, being buried on the bench, etc. With Gort on such a hot streak this year, one wonders whether AV ever stops in to chat. Then again, until recently, AV has been on a hot streak."
And re. the worrisome trends, I saw Deej's note in the pre-game thread that showed the Rangers @ 27th in CF%. I went to hockey.stats and Corsi and went to the various definitions, but CF% left me scratching my head. Does it refer to puck possessions in various thirds, or what? Would someone translate in a few words? tia
CF%=Corsi For %=Corsi for/(Corsi for+Corsi Against).
Corsi=Shot attempts (blocked or unblocked). Corsi for=Your teams shot attempts. Corsi against=shot attempts against. Generally referenced as 5 on 5 - Hockey stats let's you sort of by tied, close (tied or up or down 1), etc.
It's frequently referenced as puck possession but that isn't entirely accurate since you can have the puck without shooting. The correlation is usually close but not perfect. The Avs a few years ago and I think the Rangers in 14/15 had good time of possession numbers but average (or bad in the case of the Avs) Corsi numbers.
who got less run than Clendo is getting and cant think of anyone. Allegiance to vets aside, I wonder whether AV affirmatively dislikes his game.
I'm curious on what AV values after seeing the team let Stralman walk, put Yandle on the third pair, bench Clendening, keep putting Girardi on the top pairing, and continuously playing Klein. I'm hoping Gorton views dmen differently than AV does.
Seems pretty clear that he prefers stay at home types to play big minutes against other teams' top lines, and probably doesnt buy into the notion that moving the puck out of the zone is part of "defense". Ham and eggers to win battles in the corners. Really no idea how he could have decided that Staal > Yandle.
I like those guys too, but the guys who used to do that (Klein, Girardi, Staal) aren't winning those battles anymore. And not only are they not winning them, they're ceding the battle and going to the middle instead to prevent a pass where they'd win those battles in the past. The lack of acknowledgement in the decline of those players is what annoys me even more than his misvaluing of PMD.
Wasn't Staal signed before we got Yandle? I do agree with the point, generally, but it seems like those were much more separate decisions than Girardi and Boyle over Stralman were.
personally, not only Clendening, but in preseason I would have dumped Klein to have given McIlraith a real shot here (since we didnt know anything about Clendening back then).
Is what it is - I disagree with AV on many of his personnel decisions and I also find him slow to adjust when injuries hit his roster to how he gameplans. I'm still not sold his style will ever win a Cup.
But obviously he does many things well too -- could be worse (cough Captain Jack cough)
thank you for your 2:52, it clarifies it, but man trying to reduce shots and possession time per that formula to a stat to be believed in what you're seeing on ice, is challenging....
re. the Rangers' d-men, after the Rangers went ahead on Vesey's goal (and wasn't that double minor a much needed Godsend?)--on which I was sure Nash's shot was going to be buried in (I was sure he was going to lift it over) Cam Ward's prone body--the 'Canes really started bringing it, and there were stretches of play, on each Carolina rush, where the d pairing, and I'm thinking it was Klein and Staal but also could have been DG and McD just gave them the blue line and skated backwards to the circles, it was a poor look.
It's ironic, if deej's theory is correct, that some of the best play we've had is where BS and Holden are out there. They're not bullet proof, but they're not sitting ducks.
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12. As for Shattenkirk, in all of last summer’s rumours, I didn’t realize until last week that some teams were actually allowed to talk to him. As usual, the particular clubs and agent Jordan Neumann weren’t talking, but Arizona and Edmonton had their shot. Don’t think Shattenkirk was too interested in Northern Alberta, but the Coyotes apparently did make some headway. A few teams believe the Connecticut-born defender eyes the New York Rangers, but that will take some salary-cap dancing.
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Good stuff. The analytics approach, so embraced here on BBI by some of the core--and the skepticism that Hurdle and Rowe had/have to deal with: heading down on the train Sunday night, seeing so many Rangers' faithful in their traditional Blueshirts with the diagonal rwb lettering, it's difficult to reconcile that expression of tradition with the metrics oriented direction of much of the league; but many here are taking the bit between the teeth and leading.
I'm actually sort of skeptical of Florida - I think they made a number of high-risk moves this off-season at a time where the franchise didn't need them. I like Yandle, but that deal is really high-risk. It could be a disaster in year three or four when the Panthers should be in prime Cup contention years.
Deep.
Not sure why but it seems like the D started playing so much more conservatively about 5-6 games ago.
Valiquette had a great segment on this a few games ago.
Agreed, I think he's incredible.
I thought at first that he never recovered from his earlier injury, but if he was wouldn't AV have sat him by now?
The 30 thoughts article I linked above talked about Carle's decline and how he never really recovered from an injury and never felt comfortable after surgery. Even Redden talked about feeling the surprising decline in an article a year or two ago - I'm curious on how teams track those things.
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Agreed, I think he's incredible.
Yes. His web series is amazing. not sure if they put it on TV too.
No easy teams in this division this year - as deep and competitive a division as I've ever seen.
I think it was Holden who made a few bad plays that led to that first goal, but he's much improved from those first ten games.
Great third period. Team really turned it on.
Haven't seen the Rangers dump and chase in the attacking zone like that all season, thought I was watching Torts' team; Doogs mentioned this, Carolina was just so good at its blue line.
Crazy wild at the end, lots of Rangers throwing themselves in the way of Carolina shots, not the Valiquette version (it was a very good piece), but prostrating themselves in front. Henrik has to clean up the 5 hole, it's been a problem the last couple of weeks
Think we're gonna see a lot of this from opposing teams, part of the adjustment defenses are making against us. Negating our speed with the trap, forcing more of a dump and chase game which isn't exactly the specialty for a lot of our forwards. Need to adjust.
12 shots on goal through 2 periods was ugly but they had a nice 3rd period.
Kyle I think it was you a few days ago but you made excellent points about Lundqvist. I think MAB and I were frustrated at the Pittsburgh game.
In my humble opinion, the eye test tells me that he doesn't look sharp at times. The stats indicate otherwise. The positive thing I will say is that he has been amazing late in games. So while he may let in softie here and there, he is still reliable.
That was a good win last night against a team that was playing well.
The Corsi trends are really concerning, though I suppose when you looked at the team in preseason it shouldnt be terribly surprising. We also really miss Zibanejad and Buchnevich - sure all teams have injuries and no one feels sorry for NJ (lost 6 of 7) with Hall out.... but this team's competitive advantage was rolling out 4 lines that could all do damage. Losing 2 explosive offensive players and replacing them with Lindberg, Jooris and a guy we picked up off waivers hurts.
Hopefully we'll adjust to the way defenses are playing us and generate more scoring chances - the goals are still coming to a degree (ex Ottawa) but its not sustainable when you only put 20 shots on net a night.
On to Buffalo (would have been nice to miss Eichel once this year, damn)
Also - just one OT game in 24 contests now. Incredible. Wouldnt it be great if the NHL rewarded 16 regulation wins appropriately, damnit.
Really there's Price... and then there's everyone else. Still not sold on Holtby.
One of the upsides of this is that it takes pressure of the Ds, who are not good with the puck. Still would like to see Clendo get in a fucking game. But that's not going to happen because Girardi and Klein have spots for life.
Why Klein is untouchable is beyond me.
Not only was November busy - but we play 10 games over 18 days coming up as well. Apparently these compressed schedules are due to newly instituted second half bye weeks and the preseason tournament ... Through on the latter I thought season always started mid October so ... Surprised. All teams seem to be affected though.
I'm curious on what AV values after seeing the team let Stralman walk, put Yandle on the third pair, bench Clendening, keep putting Girardi on the top pairing, and continuously playing Klein. I'm hoping Gorton views dmen differently than AV does.
"a popular meme on Giants' threads during the last of the TC years was whether he and Reese were on the same page re. player usage, snaps, being buried on the bench, etc. With Gort on such a hot streak this year, one wonders whether AV ever stops in to chat. Then again, until recently, AV has been on a hot streak."
And re. the worrisome trends, I saw Deej's note in the pre-game thread that showed the Rangers @ 27th in CF%. I went to hockey.stats and Corsi and went to the various definitions, but CF% left me scratching my head. Does it refer to puck possessions in various thirds, or what? Would someone translate in a few words? tia
Corsi=Shot attempts (blocked or unblocked). Corsi for=Your teams shot attempts. Corsi against=shot attempts against. Generally referenced as 5 on 5 - Hockey stats let's you sort of by tied, close (tied or up or down 1), etc.
It's frequently referenced as puck possession but that isn't entirely accurate since you can have the puck without shooting. The correlation is usually close but not perfect. The Avs a few years ago and I think the Rangers in 14/15 had good time of possession numbers but average (or bad in the case of the Avs) Corsi numbers.
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who got less run than Clendo is getting and cant think of anyone. Allegiance to vets aside, I wonder whether AV affirmatively dislikes his game.
I'm curious on what AV values after seeing the team let Stralman walk, put Yandle on the third pair, bench Clendening, keep putting Girardi on the top pairing, and continuously playing Klein. I'm hoping Gorton views dmen differently than AV does.
Seems pretty clear that he prefers stay at home types to play big minutes against other teams' top lines, and probably doesnt buy into the notion that moving the puck out of the zone is part of "defense". Ham and eggers to win battles in the corners. Really no idea how he could have decided that Staal > Yandle.
Wasn't Staal signed before we got Yandle? I do agree with the point, generally, but it seems like those were much more separate decisions than Girardi and Boyle over Stralman were.
Sean Day will save us.
Is what it is - I disagree with AV on many of his personnel decisions and I also find him slow to adjust when injuries hit his roster to how he gameplans. I'm still not sold his style will ever win a Cup.
But obviously he does many things well too -- could be worse (cough Captain Jack cough)
re. the Rangers' d-men, after the Rangers went ahead on Vesey's goal (and wasn't that double minor a much needed Godsend?)--on which I was sure Nash's shot was going to be buried in (I was sure he was going to lift it over) Cam Ward's prone body--the 'Canes really started bringing it, and there were stretches of play, on each Carolina rush, where the d pairing, and I'm thinking it was Klein and Staal but also could have been DG and McD just gave them the blue line and skated backwards to the circles, it was a poor look.
It's ironic, if deej's theory is correct, that some of the best play we've had is where BS and Holden are out there. They're not bullet proof, but they're not sitting ducks.
lucky B in ALB - might actually get this game on the tube tonight... though it'd be funny if they stuck him with NYI & WASH