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NFT: Carolina Hurricanes @ New York Rangers - 11/29/16

GiantFilthy : 11/29/2016 1:23 pm
7:00 PM est on FSCR, MSG
Madison Square Garden, Manhattan, New York


Canes 4, Rangers 1
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Ha  
MadPlaid : 11/29/2016 1:24 pm : link
you so funny
5-1 now.  
GiantFilthy : 11/29/2016 1:36 pm : link
.
6-1  
Jints in Carolina : 11/29/2016 1:37 pm : link
.
Canes playing well  
Gman11 : 11/29/2016 1:38 pm : link
The Rangers playing meh.

Rangers win it 6-2.
Beta Blocker  
Davisian : 11/29/2016 1:44 pm : link
...
Rangers now 27th in CF%  
Deej : 11/29/2016 1:47 pm : link
Not good.
RE: Rangers now 27th in CF%  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13239852 Deej said:
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Not good.


Watch the games.t
Also, what happened to the Senators thread?  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 2:01 pm : link
Grabner is apparently sick and a decision will be made ~5.

Rangers had a scout at the Islanders/Flames game last night.
RE: RE: Rangers now 27th in CF%  
Deej : 11/29/2016 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13239888 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 13239852 Deej said:


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Not good.



Watch the games.t


Tru. They're #3 in Warrior close%
Miller says he's 90% to play  
Greg from LI : 11/29/2016 2:19 pm : link
His knee needed stitches from being hit by a shot
The players are always  
Gman11 : 11/29/2016 3:02 pm : link
more optimistic than the trainers. But, this is hockey. He'll play.
.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 4:53 pm : link
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12. As for Shattenkirk, in all of last summer’s rumours, I didn’t realize until last week that some teams were actually allowed to talk to him. As usual, the particular clubs and agent Jordan Neumann weren’t talking, but Arizona and Edmonton had their shot. Don’t think Shattenkirk was too interested in Northern Alberta, but the Coyotes apparently did make some headway. A few teams believe the Connecticut-born defender eyes the New York Rangers, but that will take some salary-cap dancing.

30 Thoughts - ( New Window )
Im far from in a panic  
Deej : 11/29/2016 6:00 pm : link
but once again it seems the league has "figured out" that you can shut down the Rangers speed by clogging the neutral zone rather than forechecking. Which begs the questions, (1) how many years does our coach need to figure out a counter-counter, and (2) is the problem still that many of the Ds cannot advance the puck?
Deej, 2 is definitely a huge factor  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 6:04 pm : link
And Clendening continues to rot in the press box. Is any of our D other than McD and maybe Skeji playing well enough that they should be in there no questions asked every night? I don't get it.
Absurd that Clendening is still sitting  
NYerInMA : 11/29/2016 6:11 pm : link
He should be in for Girardi or Klein on an alternating basis at least. I expect the Canes to blow the Rangers' doors off tonight.
RE: Im far from in a panic  
ColHowPepper : 11/29/2016 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13240393 Deej said:
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but once again it seems the league has "figured out" that you can shut down the Rangers speed by clogging the neutral zone rather than forechecking. Which begs the questions, (1) how many years does our coach need to figure out a counter-counter, and (2) is the problem still that many of the Ds cannot advance the puck?
And going back to Brooks' declaration that '16-'17 bears no resemblance to the start of '15-'16, or how the Rangers were ground to a slow walk by the Kings, it seems we're redux this dilemma.
RE: .  
ColHowPepper : 11/29/2016 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13240290 BrettNYG10 said:
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12. As for Shattenkirk, in all of last summer’s rumours, I didn’t realize until last week that some teams were actually allowed to talk to him. As usual, the particular clubs and agent Jordan Neumann weren’t talking, but Arizona and Edmonton had their shot. Don’t think Shattenkirk was too interested in Northern Alberta, but the Coyotes apparently did make some headway. A few teams believe the Connecticut-born defender eyes the New York Rangers, but that will take some salary-cap dancing.

30 Thoughts - ( New Window )
Good stuff. The analytics approach, so embraced here on BBI by some of the core--and the skepticism that Hurdle and Rowe had/have to deal with: heading down on the train Sunday night, seeing so many Rangers' faithful in their traditional Blueshirts with the diagonal rwb lettering, it's difficult to reconcile that expression of tradition with the metrics oriented direction of much of the league; but many here are taking the bit between the teeth and leading.
I hope there's  
Stufftherun : 11/29/2016 7:16 pm : link
never a repeat of that particular rendition of the Nat'l Anthem at MSG. Hemdrix he is not!
RE: RE: .  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13240415 ColHowPepper said:
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12. As for Shattenkirk, in all of last summer’s rumours, I didn’t realize until last week that some teams were actually allowed to talk to him. As usual, the particular clubs and agent Jordan Neumann weren’t talking, but Arizona and Edmonton had their shot. Don’t think Shattenkirk was too interested in Northern Alberta, but the Coyotes apparently did make some headway. A few teams believe the Connecticut-born defender eyes the New York Rangers, but that will take some salary-cap dancing.

30 Thoughts - ( New Window )

Good stuff. The analytics approach, so embraced here on BBI by some of the core--and the skepticism that Hurdle and Rowe had/have to deal with: heading down on the train Sunday night, seeing so many Rangers' faithful in their traditional Blueshirts with the diagonal rwb lettering, it's difficult to reconcile that expression of tradition with the metrics oriented direction of much of the league; but many here are taking the bit between the teeth and leading.


I'm actually sort of skeptical of Florida - I think they made a number of high-risk moves this off-season at a time where the franchise didn't need them. I like Yandle, but that deal is really high-risk. It could be a disaster in year three or four when the Panthers should be in prime Cup contention years.
Another soft  
bluesince56 : 11/29/2016 7:22 pm : link
goal given up
The rangers D  
bigbluehoya : 11/29/2016 7:23 pm : link
Have got to be more supportive at the blue line when they get pucks
Deep.

Not sure why but it seems like the D started playing so much more conservatively about 5-6 games ago.
puck deflected off holden  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 7:23 pm : link
defensemen need to know when to get out of the way and give the goalie a clear view from that far out
RE: puck deflected off holden  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13240473 Kyle in NY said:
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defensemen need to know when to get out of the way and give the goalie a clear view from that far out


Valiquette had a great segment on this a few games ago.
Vally has become  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 7:29 pm : link
a really strong analyst
Marvelous start ...  
Stufftherun : 11/29/2016 7:33 pm : link
Klein has been pretty bad this early part of the season.
What does Klein have to do  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 7:34 pm : link
to come out of the lineup? For fucks sake
RE: Vally has become  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 7:34 pm : link
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a really strong analyst


Agreed, I think he's incredible.
RE: What does Klein have to do  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13240486 Kyle in NY said:
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to come out of the lineup? For fucks sake


I thought at first that he never recovered from his earlier injury, but if he was wouldn't AV have sat him by now?

The 30 thoughts article I linked above talked about Carle's decline and how he never really recovered from an injury and never felt comfortable after surgery. Even Redden talked about feeling the surprising decline in an article a year or two ago - I'm curious on how teams track those things.
Just got this pic from my buddy at the game  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/29/2016 7:46 pm : link
Jonathan Hankins in the house

I'm not sure  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 7:46 pm : link
I don't have any faith right now in the coach to do what is right and necessary with the defense. Just a complete blindspot for him
Holden  
Deej : 11/29/2016 8:17 pm : link
his mustache says "alright, alright, alright" but his goal says "2-1"
Finally pot one.  
Stufftherun : 11/29/2016 8:17 pm : link
A little more energy out there.
RE: RE: Vally has become  
Deej : 11/29/2016 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13240487 BrettNYG10 said:
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a really strong analyst



Agreed, I think he's incredible.


Yes. His web series is amazing. not sure if they put it on TV too.
wow - Nash!  
Del Shofner : 11/29/2016 8:56 pm : link
what a goal ...
Haven't seen a speed burst  
bigbluehoya : 11/29/2016 8:57 pm : link
Like that from Nash in forever.
Holy crap  
RodneyHamp : 11/29/2016 8:57 pm : link
what a goal by Nash
Rick Nash  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 8:58 pm : link
Still really good
Nice finish.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 9:23 pm : link
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That was awesome  
Sonic Youth : 11/29/2016 9:26 pm : link
good call also
Impressive comeback - well done  
MetsAreBack : 11/29/2016 9:36 pm : link
Hi Filthy. Hi Jints.

No easy teams in this division this year - as deep and competitive a division as I've ever seen.
Nice 3rd  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 9:37 pm : link
first two period were ugly. Nash can still really take over and did it there. Holden has settled in nicely too. He's definitely not an issue right now
Nash was in beast mode  
Rob in Rockaway : 11/29/2016 9:46 pm : link
need to see more of that.
RE: Nice 3rd  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2016 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13240593 Kyle in NY said:
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first two period were ugly. Nash can still really take over and did it there. Holden has settled in nicely too. He's definitely not an issue right now


I think it was Holden who made a few bad plays that led to that first goal, but he's much improved from those first ten games.


Great third period. Team really turned it on.
Brett  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 9:57 pm : link
yeah he did, he's not great. But relatively speaking he's a positive on defense right now.
terrific win  
ColHowPepper : 11/29/2016 9:58 pm : link
'Canes had no answers for Nash; that carry the length of the ice and not one d'man could catch him or get close enough to get a body on him, and that seemingly harmless flick of the backhand, umpapa

Haven't seen the Rangers dump and chase in the attacking zone like that all season, thought I was watching Torts' team; Doogs mentioned this, Carolina was just so good at its blue line.

Crazy wild at the end, lots of Rangers throwing themselves in the way of Carolina shots, not the Valiquette version (it was a very good piece), but prostrating themselves in front. Henrik has to clean up the 5 hole, it's been a problem the last couple of weeks
Filthy with the broadway hat  
Davisian : 11/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
He's got puck poise.

.  
Kyle in NY : 11/29/2016 10:11 pm : link
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Haven't seen the Rangers dump and chase in the attacking zone like that all season, thought I was watching Torts' team; Doogs mentioned this, Carolina was just so good at its blue line.


Think we're gonna see a lot of this from opposing teams, part of the adjustment defenses are making against us. Negating our speed with the trap, forcing more of a dump and chase game which isn't exactly the specialty for a lot of our forwards. Need to adjust.

12 shots on goal through 2 periods was ugly but they had a nice 3rd period.
what a performance by Nash. Uplifting.  
Victor in CT : 11/30/2016 8:32 am : link
Anyone else think that Kreider doesn't have the same "hop" nor is he as physical since the injury? To me he doesn't look like the same player.
You guys made some great points last night...  
Drewcon40 : 11/30/2016 10:30 am : link
...I didn't get a chance to follow the thread during the game but was reading what you guys thought this AM.

Kyle I think it was you a few days ago but you made excellent points about Lundqvist. I think MAB and I were frustrated at the Pittsburgh game.

In my humble opinion, the eye test tells me that he doesn't look sharp at times. The stats indicate otherwise. The positive thing I will say is that he has been amazing late in games. So while he may let in softie here and there, he is still reliable.

That was a good win last night against a team that was playing well.

Well the Pittsburgh game and a few of his games  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2016 10:55 am : link
prior to that (at Carolina, at Colombus) were ridiculous. His Philly game was excellent, but in general HL has another gear and he'll be the first to say so. I look forward to seeing it though I dont think he's a Vezina contender anymore, in my honest opinion. Still really good - top 10 for sure, but not at a Price / Schneider level any more. Shoot me if you like.

The Corsi trends are really concerning, though I suppose when you looked at the team in preseason it shouldnt be terribly surprising. We also really miss Zibanejad and Buchnevich - sure all teams have injuries and no one feels sorry for NJ (lost 6 of 7) with Hall out.... but this team's competitive advantage was rolling out 4 lines that could all do damage. Losing 2 explosive offensive players and replacing them with Lindberg, Jooris and a guy we picked up off waivers hurts.

Hopefully we'll adjust to the way defenses are playing us and generate more scoring chances - the goals are still coming to a degree (ex Ottawa) but its not sustainable when you only put 20 shots on net a night.

On to Buffalo (would have been nice to miss Eichel once this year, damn)

Also - just one OT game in 24 contests now. Incredible. Wouldnt it be great if the NHL rewarded 16 regulation wins appropriately, damnit.
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