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NFT: Cespedes back to the Mets

KWhite2250 : 11/29/2016 2:14 pm
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If they trade Lagares + Bruce, I hope they bring back Ruggiano  
debo_GIANTS : 11/29/2016 3:00 pm : link
He crushes lefties and can be platoon option in CF.
RE: And its all relative...  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13240033 ZGiants98 said:
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Is 2.2 million too much for somebody not expected to make the roster? I would say yes. Depends on what we were referring to so everyone could be right.


My only point is they would 100% give Welington Castillo 2.2 million if he were a FA, so in that sense "yes" he'd be a major upgrade. Please pass on Wieters unless his market totally bottoms out.
RE: If they trade Lagares + Bruce, I hope they bring back Ruggiano  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13240038 debo_GIANTS said:
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He crushes lefties and can be platoon option in CF.


Considering they DFA'ed him despite room on the roster I'd be pretty surprised. They kept guys like Ty Kelly over him.
If  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:02 pm : link
Nimmo is on the big league roster (a big if) they need to add some organizational OF's anyway. As of right now they have "lost" Campbell and Roger Bernadina.
0  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:04 pm : link
Mets make the AFL top 20, sort of surprised to not see Molina make it.
Put it in the Books!!!!!!!!!!  
johnnyb : 11/29/2016 3:08 pm : link
Nice work Sandy Alderson.

I think he could have gotten a fifth year from someone. Guess he really does like it in New York. Glad to have him back.

Next feat: Get something for Jay Bruce.
why did we let Big sexy go? could have been inning eater  
gtt350 : 11/29/2016 3:09 pm : link
in relief and spot stater not to mention his bat
RE: why did we let Big sexy go? could have been inning eater  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13240056 gtt350 said:
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in relief and spot stater not to mention his bat


12.5 million is a lot for a swingman.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I got mocked...  
arcarsenal : 11/29/2016 3:10 pm : link
...for saying Cespedes wanted to be here because he opted out. Which.. was a no-brainer for him. I don't believe for a second that not one team in baseball would have been willing to go 5 years on him if given the chance.
Any chance Bruce stays?  
NewBlue : 11/29/2016 3:11 pm : link
Is it Salary....lack of need at the position?
I think he will rake next year something closer to the way he ended the year rather than how he played when he first arrived.
smart move by Ces  
sshin05 : 11/29/2016 3:13 pm : link
No You're The Puppet ‏@brianpmangan
Note: Cespedes turned 2/46 into 4/110 by opting out, like I was saying on @goodfundies all year.
RE: Any chance Bruce stays?  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13240061 NewBlue said:
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Is it Salary....lack of need at the position?
I think he will rake next year something closer to the way he ended the year rather than how he played when he first arrived.


It would be pretty shocking if both Granderson and Bruce return and Sandy left Bruce out of his off-season comments on the 2017 starting OF which left some to guess he's a goner. It's not impossible Bruce returns but unlikely. Find it very hard to believe they pay Cespedes huge bucks + Bruce 13.5 + Granderson 15 + Lagares 4.5 + Conforto.
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DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:15 pm : link
Jay Bruce's days with the Mets may just have gotten shorter with Yoenis Cespedes returning. It's entirely foreseeable for the Mets now to trade Bruce, who will earn $13 million next season.

Adam Rubin, ESPN Staff Writer
Now let's hope he doesn't get lazy.  
figgy2989 : 11/29/2016 3:17 pm : link
Keep in mind that he was still playing this past year for a long term contract. Great signing and now the focus can move to the bullpen.

Yup... a Bruce trade is next  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:17 pm : link
And if we can recoup a Top 50-ish prospect the deadline deal last year will end up looking like a steal regardless how he ended up playing.
Crazy....  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:20 pm : link
Cespedes will average making 162K a game over the next 4 years. lol More than most of us will make in a year he will make 162 times over.
Seems  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:21 pm : link
like the only realistic way Bruce is back is if a) They find the trade market to be absolutely awful for him. I'm not expecting much for him but they should get some value or b) Teams show FAR more interest in Granderson to the point they go that direction. I'd guess they claim Bruce is staying and then deal him. I'd say 70% chance he's a goner.
Bruce will get dealt at the WM next week  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2016 3:21 pm : link
and I wouldn't be shocked if Sandy gets back a return better than what he gave up in the first place. This is awesome news, the offseason is now at least 95% successful.
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Danny Kanell : 11/29/2016 3:22 pm : link
Congrats Met fans. Any chance they look at Wieters?
Current outfield projection  
NewBlue : 11/29/2016 3:23 pm : link
Conforto...Cespedes...Granderson....??
Lagares......Nimmo....Ruggiano...???
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13240082 Danny Kanell said:
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Congrats Met fans. Any chance they look at Wieters?


Hope not. One of the worst pitch framers in baseball. Extremely overrated. If his market tables then sure. 2 years 24 or something I'm in but anything more than say 3 for 30ish will likely be a disaster. He's not a good player and he's in decline.
RE: Current outfield projection  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13240083 NewBlue said:
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Conforto...Cespedes...Granderson....??
Lagares......Nimmo....Ruggiano...???


Ruggiano is no longer with the Mets
RE: Seems  
sshin05 : 11/29/2016 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13240080 DanMetroMan said:
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like the only realistic way Bruce is back is if a) They find the trade market to be absolutely awful for him. I'm not expecting much for him but they should get some value or b) Teams show FAR more interest in Granderson to the point they go that direction. I'd guess they claim Bruce is staying and then deal him. I'd say 70% chance he's a goner.


Granderson would be far more attractive for one year than Bruce even though he's 6 years older. Check out their last 3 years Bruce 0.2 war, granderson 8.9. So i can see teams asking for him instead.
I think the Mets are stealthily looking at potential  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:24 pm : link
catcher options to team with TDA via trade. They dont want to put all their eggs in his basket again. I expect a catcher move, a Bruce trade, and a reliever (possibly two if Blevins walks).
AAA  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:25 pm : link
OF now consists of Travis Taijeron, Victor Cruzado and Ty Kelly as of right now so they likely look to add at least 1 more veteran OF type (Kelly Johnson or someone like him) and Nimmo to AAA.
RE: Current outfield projection  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13240083 NewBlue said:
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Conforto...Cespedes...Granderson....??
Lagares......Nimmo....Ruggiano...???


They havent said it but IMO it should be Cespedes-Granderson/Lagares-Conforto
RE: Bruce will get dealt at the WM next week  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13240081 Eric on Li said:
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and I wouldn't be shocked if Sandy gets back a return better than what he gave up in the first place. This is awesome news, the offseason is now at least 95% successful.


I agree 100%
RE: RE: Seems  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13240087 sshin05 said:
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In comment 13240080 DanMetroMan said:


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like the only realistic way Bruce is back is if a) They find the trade market to be absolutely awful for him. I'm not expecting much for him but they should get some value or b) Teams show FAR more interest in Granderson to the point they go that direction. I'd guess they claim Bruce is staying and then deal him. I'd say 70% chance he's a goner.



Granderson would be far more attractive for one year than Bruce even though he's 6 years older. Check out their last 3 years Bruce 0.2 war, granderson 8.9. So i can see teams asking for him instead.


I get the impression the Mets are "done" with Bruce so I think the return on granderson would have to be significantly higher. Granderson can fake it in CF, is A++++ off the field (I'm not saying Bruce is a jerk or something just Granderson is unusual) and Granderson can hit leadoff etc. I could be totally off but my impression is Bruce is a goner.
I am sure Sandy has  
johnnyb : 11/29/2016 3:27 pm : link
a trade in place for Bruce. No way he would risk carrying both salaries. He is too smart to get caught like that. As bad as Bruce was for three months with the Mets, he is a power bat from the left side with proven RBI numbers. This is not like trying to deal Jason Bay.
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NewBlue : 11/29/2016 3:27 pm : link
Crazy....
ZGiants98 : 3:20 pm : link : reply
Cespedes will average making 162K a game over the next 4 years. lol More than most of us will make in a year he will make 162 times over.

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And when we lose or go into a funk, we as fans will get more upset then he. Not just talking about Ces. just the player/fan dynamic in general
RE: I am sure Sandy has  
Victor in CT : 11/29/2016 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13240097 johnnyb said:
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a trade in place for Bruce. No way he would risk carrying both salaries. He is too smart to get caught like that. As bad as Bruce was for three months with the Mets, he is a power bat from the left side with proven RBI numbers. This is not like trying to deal Jason Bay.


Agree. Bruce prob just isn't suited for NY. He shouldn't be difficult to move.
Baltimore  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:31 pm : link
is a good fit for Bruce if they lose Trumbo. Houston is looking for more offense, Toronto has shown previous interest (though they were only offering Michael Saunders at the deadline), the Yankees conceivably could be a fit. Might as well wait on Bruce. The FA market is awful with only Fowler, Trumbo, Desmond, Bautista, Gomez, Saunders as your "best" so the Mets likely wait this out a bit.
I expect Bruce to go to 1 of the teams that loses on Trumbo  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2016 3:32 pm : link
for a late inning reliever with some term on his contract. We've talked about Baltimore a bunch and that would make a ton of sense if Trumbo walks.
My  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:34 pm : link
Potential hidden gem at the C position via trade
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Yeah it just makes too much sense  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:34 pm : link
Granderson actually played CF really well down the stretch by both the metrics and eyeball test last year. Maybe Conforto gets a little burn there and obviously Lagares starts against lefties but to me the OF works fine for a year (with Nimmo also in the wings) with that setup. Bruce could never play CF and forcing Conforto there permanently with only a handful of games there in his career seems stupid at least at this point.

Trade Bruce. Power is still at a premium. He will have suitors.
Absolutely  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:37 pm : link
awful season but I'd still look into Derek Norris
RE: Yeah it just makes too much sense  
sshin05 : 11/29/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13240110 ZGiants98 said:
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Granderson actually played CF really well down the stretch by both the metrics and eyeball test last year. Maybe Conforto gets a little burn there and obviously Lagares starts against lefties but to me the OF works fine for a year (with Nimmo also in the wings) with that setup. Bruce could never play CF and forcing Conforto there permanently with only a handful of games there in his career seems stupid at least at this point.

Trade Bruce. Power is still at a premium. He will have suitors.


Makes $13 mil for a power bat, still 29. Def a market for him.
I still like the idea of adding Suzuki for a year on the cheap  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:42 pm : link
Yes, he bats righty but he actually has reverse splits for his career and is still very capable defensively.
Another Bruce trade option could be the A's  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2016 3:42 pm : link
who always seem to look for cheap power. I wonder if they'd trade Vogt or Doolittle for Bruce. I could see them having interest in Robles and Nimmo too maybe in a bigger package.
RE: Another Bruce trade option could be the A's  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13240127 Eric on Li said:
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who always seem to look for cheap power. I wonder if they'd trade Vogt or Doolittle for Bruce. I could see them having interest in Robles and Nimmo too maybe in a bigger package.


Vogt is absolutely awful at framing, for a team built on pitching I doubt the Mets would even make the call.
Wolters  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:44 pm : link
could be a real nice grab, Norris despite his season is very, very intriguing.

Norris/Buchter combo package would fill 2 of our "holes".
I think it's likely still up in the air  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:44 pm : link
But playing Granderson in RF again would almost be criminal. He can play CF at least decently. He is horrid in RF, has no arm, and his metrics went to hell there last year. lol. They started skyrocketing as soon as he was moved.
RE: I think it's likely still up in the air  
debo_GIANTS : 11/29/2016 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13240136 ZGiants98 said:
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But playing Granderson in RF again would almost be criminal. He can play CF at least decently. He is horrid in RF, has no arm, and his metrics went to hell there last year. lol. They started skyrocketing as soon as he was moved.


Granderson even said himself he was surprised how well he played in CF and how his body responded. He has renewed confidence that he can more than adequately handle the position.
I'm still pissed they came so close to getting Lucroy  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2016 3:47 pm : link
and missed out. He would have been such a perfect fit for this team.
re: Vogt  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:48 pm : link
5 catchers in baseball were worse than him and that's out of like 90 qualified catchers. He's a solid bat that plays catcher but teams are moving away from guys who can't handle a staff. Look at the bidding war for Jason Castro.
RE: RE: I think it's likely still up in the air  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13240140 debo_GIANTS said:
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In comment 13240136 ZGiants98 said:


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But playing Granderson in RF again would almost be criminal. He can play CF at least decently. He is horrid in RF, has no arm, and his metrics went to hell there last year. lol. They started skyrocketing as soon as he was moved.



Granderson even said himself he was surprised how well he played in CF and how his body responded. He has renewed confidence that he can more than adequately handle the position.


I think it will shake out that way whether the Mets are planning it now or not. Conforto doesn't seem like a CF to me so even if they try it I bet it will be back to Grandy/Lagares by May and Im fine with it.
Granderson could platoon with Lagares in CF too.It would keep him  
Victor in CT : 11/29/2016 3:50 pm : link
fresh, and Lagares can stay sharp.
RE: I'm still pissed they came so close to getting Lucroy  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2016 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13240141 Eric on Li said:
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and missed out. He would have been such a perfect fit for this team.


Lucroy is a stud. You see his offensive numbers, then look up his framing ranking...16th overall. Gotta identify our version of Cervelli. An underrated/overlooked guy where the numbers suggest he could be good ie Wolters
RE: Granderson could platoon with Lagares in CF too.It would keep him  
ZGiants98 : 11/29/2016 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13240145 Victor in CT said:
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fresh, and Lagares can stay sharp.


Yup that's what I would do. Spell him with Nimmo/Conforto once in a while. Remove him in the 7th for Lagares late in games...You can probably work it out to where he got plenty of rest.
RE: re: Vogt  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2016 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13240142 DanMetroMan said:
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5 catchers in baseball were worse than him and that's out of like 90 qualified catchers. He's a solid bat that plays catcher but teams are moving away from guys who can't handle a staff. Look at the bidding war for Jason Castro.


He does throw well (40/94 last 2 years) though, plus we'd still have D'arnaud who frames well. Not a lot of perfect catchers out there. I know Texas said they wanted to keep Lucroy, but I'd still be tempted to try to make them an offer they can't refuse if their negotiations stall out. Some combo of Bruce + TdA + Lugo/Robles/Nimmo types.
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