Is 2.2 million too much for somebody not expected to make the roster? I would say yes. Depends on what we were referring to so everyone could be right.
My only point is they would 100% give Welington Castillo 2.2 million if he were a FA, so in that sense "yes" he'd be a major upgrade. Please pass on Wieters unless his market totally bottoms out.
RE: If they trade Lagares + Bruce, I hope they bring back Ruggiano
Nimmo is on the big league roster (a big if) they need to add some organizational OF's anyway. As of right now they have "lost" Campbell and Roger Bernadina.
...for saying Cespedes wanted to be here because he opted out. Which.. was a no-brainer for him. I don't believe for a second that not one team in baseball would have been willing to go 5 years on him if given the chance.
Is it Salary....lack of need at the position?
I think he will rake next year something closer to the way he ended the year rather than how he played when he first arrived.
Is it Salary....lack of need at the position?
I think he will rake next year something closer to the way he ended the year rather than how he played when he first arrived.
It would be pretty shocking if both Granderson and Bruce return and Sandy left Bruce out of his off-season comments on the 2017 starting OF which left some to guess he's a goner. It's not impossible Bruce returns but unlikely. Find it very hard to believe they pay Cespedes huge bucks + Bruce 13.5 + Granderson 15 + Lagares 4.5 + Conforto.
Jay Bruce's days with the Mets may just have gotten shorter with Yoenis Cespedes returning. It's entirely foreseeable for the Mets now to trade Bruce, who will earn $13 million next season.
like the only realistic way Bruce is back is if a) They find the trade market to be absolutely awful for him. I'm not expecting much for him but they should get some value or b) Teams show FAR more interest in Granderson to the point they go that direction. I'd guess they claim Bruce is staying and then deal him. I'd say 70% chance he's a goner.
and I wouldn't be shocked if Sandy gets back a return better than what he gave up in the first place. This is awesome news, the offseason is now at least 95% successful.
Congrats Met fans. Any chance they look at Wieters?
Hope not. One of the worst pitch framers in baseball. Extremely overrated. If his market tables then sure. 2 years 24 or something I'm in but anything more than say 3 for 30ish will likely be a disaster. He's not a good player and he's in decline.
like the only realistic way Bruce is back is if a) They find the trade market to be absolutely awful for him. I'm not expecting much for him but they should get some value or b) Teams show FAR more interest in Granderson to the point they go that direction. I'd guess they claim Bruce is staying and then deal him. I'd say 70% chance he's a goner.
Granderson would be far more attractive for one year than Bruce even though he's 6 years older. Check out their last 3 years Bruce 0.2 war, granderson 8.9. So i can see teams asking for him instead.
I think the Mets are stealthily looking at potential
catcher options to team with TDA via trade. They dont want to put all their eggs in his basket again. I expect a catcher move, a Bruce trade, and a reliever (possibly two if Blevins walks).
OF now consists of Travis Taijeron, Victor Cruzado and Ty Kelly as of right now so they likely look to add at least 1 more veteran OF type (Kelly Johnson or someone like him) and Nimmo to AAA.
and I wouldn't be shocked if Sandy gets back a return better than what he gave up in the first place. This is awesome news, the offseason is now at least 95% successful.
like the only realistic way Bruce is back is if a) They find the trade market to be absolutely awful for him. I'm not expecting much for him but they should get some value or b) Teams show FAR more interest in Granderson to the point they go that direction. I'd guess they claim Bruce is staying and then deal him. I'd say 70% chance he's a goner.
Granderson would be far more attractive for one year than Bruce even though he's 6 years older. Check out their last 3 years Bruce 0.2 war, granderson 8.9. So i can see teams asking for him instead.
I get the impression the Mets are "done" with Bruce so I think the return on granderson would have to be significantly higher. Granderson can fake it in CF, is A++++ off the field (I'm not saying Bruce is a jerk or something just Granderson is unusual) and Granderson can hit leadoff etc. I could be totally off but my impression is Bruce is a goner.
a trade in place for Bruce. No way he would risk carrying both salaries. He is too smart to get caught like that. As bad as Bruce was for three months with the Mets, he is a power bat from the left side with proven RBI numbers. This is not like trying to deal Jason Bay.
Crazy....
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Cespedes will average making 162K a game over the next 4 years. lol More than most of us will make in a year he will make 162 times over.
a trade in place for Bruce. No way he would risk carrying both salaries. He is too smart to get caught like that. As bad as Bruce was for three months with the Mets, he is a power bat from the left side with proven RBI numbers. This is not like trying to deal Jason Bay.
Agree. Bruce prob just isn't suited for NY. He shouldn't be difficult to move.
is a good fit for Bruce if they lose Trumbo. Houston is looking for more offense, Toronto has shown previous interest (though they were only offering Michael Saunders at the deadline), the Yankees conceivably could be a fit. Might as well wait on Bruce. The FA market is awful with only Fowler, Trumbo, Desmond, Bautista, Gomez, Saunders as your "best" so the Mets likely wait this out a bit.
I expect Bruce to go to 1 of the teams that loses on Trumbo
Granderson actually played CF really well down the stretch by both the metrics and eyeball test last year. Maybe Conforto gets a little burn there and obviously Lagares starts against lefties but to me the OF works fine for a year (with Nimmo also in the wings) with that setup. Bruce could never play CF and forcing Conforto there permanently with only a handful of games there in his career seems stupid at least at this point.
Trade Bruce. Power is still at a premium. He will have suitors.
Granderson actually played CF really well down the stretch by both the metrics and eyeball test last year. Maybe Conforto gets a little burn there and obviously Lagares starts against lefties but to me the OF works fine for a year (with Nimmo also in the wings) with that setup. Bruce could never play CF and forcing Conforto there permanently with only a handful of games there in his career seems stupid at least at this point.
Trade Bruce. Power is still at a premium. He will have suitors.
Makes $13 mil for a power bat, still 29. Def a market for him.
I still like the idea of adding Suzuki for a year on the cheap
who always seem to look for cheap power. I wonder if they'd trade Vogt or Doolittle for Bruce. I could see them having interest in Robles and Nimmo too maybe in a bigger package.
who always seem to look for cheap power. I wonder if they'd trade Vogt or Doolittle for Bruce. I could see them having interest in Robles and Nimmo too maybe in a bigger package.
Vogt is absolutely awful at framing, for a team built on pitching I doubt the Mets would even make the call.
But playing Granderson in RF again would almost be criminal. He can play CF at least decently. He is horrid in RF, has no arm, and his metrics went to hell there last year. lol. They started skyrocketing as soon as he was moved.
But playing Granderson in RF again would almost be criminal. He can play CF at least decently. He is horrid in RF, has no arm, and his metrics went to hell there last year. lol. They started skyrocketing as soon as he was moved.
Granderson even said himself he was surprised how well he played in CF and how his body responded. He has renewed confidence that he can more than adequately handle the position.
I'm still pissed they came so close to getting Lucroy
5 catchers in baseball were worse than him and that's out of like 90 qualified catchers. He's a solid bat that plays catcher but teams are moving away from guys who can't handle a staff. Look at the bidding war for Jason Castro.
But playing Granderson in RF again would almost be criminal. He can play CF at least decently. He is horrid in RF, has no arm, and his metrics went to hell there last year. lol. They started skyrocketing as soon as he was moved.
Granderson even said himself he was surprised how well he played in CF and how his body responded. He has renewed confidence that he can more than adequately handle the position.
I think it will shake out that way whether the Mets are planning it now or not. Conforto doesn't seem like a CF to me so even if they try it I bet it will be back to Grandy/Lagares by May and Im fine with it.
Granderson could platoon with Lagares in CF too.It would keep him
and missed out. He would have been such a perfect fit for this team.
Lucroy is a stud. You see his offensive numbers, then look up his framing ranking...16th overall. Gotta identify our version of Cervelli. An underrated/overlooked guy where the numbers suggest he could be good ie Wolters
RE: Granderson could platoon with Lagares in CF too.It would keep him
Yup that's what I would do. Spell him with Nimmo/Conforto once in a while. Remove him in the 7th for Lagares late in games...You can probably work it out to where he got plenty of rest.
5 catchers in baseball were worse than him and that's out of like 90 qualified catchers. He's a solid bat that plays catcher but teams are moving away from guys who can't handle a staff. Look at the bidding war for Jason Castro.
He does throw well (40/94 last 2 years) though, plus we'd still have D'arnaud who frames well. Not a lot of perfect catchers out there. I know Texas said they wanted to keep Lucroy, but I'd still be tempted to try to make them an offer they can't refuse if their negotiations stall out. Some combo of Bruce + TdA + Lugo/Robles/Nimmo types.
My only point is they would 100% give Welington Castillo 2.2 million if he were a FA, so in that sense "yes" he'd be a major upgrade. Please pass on Wieters unless his market totally bottoms out.
Considering they DFA'ed him despite room on the roster I'd be pretty surprised. They kept guys like Ty Kelly over him.
I think he could have gotten a fifth year from someone. Guess he really does like it in New York. Glad to have him back.
Next feat: Get something for Jay Bruce.
12.5 million is a lot for a swingman.
I think he will rake next year something closer to the way he ended the year rather than how he played when he first arrived.
Note: Cespedes turned 2/46 into 4/110 by opting out, like I was saying on @goodfundies all year.
I think he will rake next year something closer to the way he ended the year rather than how he played when he first arrived.
It would be pretty shocking if both Granderson and Bruce return and Sandy left Bruce out of his off-season comments on the 2017 starting OF which left some to guess he's a goner. It's not impossible Bruce returns but unlikely. Find it very hard to believe they pay Cespedes huge bucks + Bruce 13.5 + Granderson 15 + Lagares 4.5 + Conforto.
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Lagares......Nimmo....Ruggiano...???
Hope not. One of the worst pitch framers in baseball. Extremely overrated. If his market tables then sure. 2 years 24 or something I'm in but anything more than say 3 for 30ish will likely be a disaster. He's not a good player and he's in decline.
Lagares......Nimmo....Ruggiano...???
Ruggiano is no longer with the Mets
Granderson would be far more attractive for one year than Bruce even though he's 6 years older. Check out their last 3 years Bruce 0.2 war, granderson 8.9. So i can see teams asking for him instead.
Lagares......Nimmo....Ruggiano...???
They havent said it but IMO it should be Cespedes-Granderson/Lagares-Conforto
I agree 100%
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like the only realistic way Bruce is back is if a) They find the trade market to be absolutely awful for him. I'm not expecting much for him but they should get some value or b) Teams show FAR more interest in Granderson to the point they go that direction. I'd guess they claim Bruce is staying and then deal him. I'd say 70% chance he's a goner.
Granderson would be far more attractive for one year than Bruce even though he's 6 years older. Check out their last 3 years Bruce 0.2 war, granderson 8.9. So i can see teams asking for him instead.
I get the impression the Mets are "done" with Bruce so I think the return on granderson would have to be significantly higher. Granderson can fake it in CF, is A++++ off the field (I'm not saying Bruce is a jerk or something just Granderson is unusual) and Granderson can hit leadoff etc. I could be totally off but my impression is Bruce is a goner.
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Cespedes will average making 162K a game over the next 4 years. lol More than most of us will make in a year he will make 162 times over.
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And when we lose or go into a funk, we as fans will get more upset then he. Not just talking about Ces. just the player/fan dynamic in general
Agree. Bruce prob just isn't suited for NY. He shouldn't be difficult to move.
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Trade Bruce. Power is still at a premium. He will have suitors.
Trade Bruce. Power is still at a premium. He will have suitors.
Makes $13 mil for a power bat, still 29. Def a market for him.
Vogt is absolutely awful at framing, for a team built on pitching I doubt the Mets would even make the call.
Norris/Buchter combo package would fill 2 of our "holes".
Granderson even said himself he was surprised how well he played in CF and how his body responded. He has renewed confidence that he can more than adequately handle the position.
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But playing Granderson in RF again would almost be criminal. He can play CF at least decently. He is horrid in RF, has no arm, and his metrics went to hell there last year. lol. They started skyrocketing as soon as he was moved.
Granderson even said himself he was surprised how well he played in CF and how his body responded. He has renewed confidence that he can more than adequately handle the position.
I think it will shake out that way whether the Mets are planning it now or not. Conforto doesn't seem like a CF to me so even if they try it I bet it will be back to Grandy/Lagares by May and Im fine with it.
Lucroy is a stud. You see his offensive numbers, then look up his framing ranking...16th overall. Gotta identify our version of Cervelli. An underrated/overlooked guy where the numbers suggest he could be good ie Wolters
Yup that's what I would do. Spell him with Nimmo/Conforto once in a while. Remove him in the 7th for Lagares late in games...You can probably work it out to where he got plenty of rest.
He does throw well (40/94 last 2 years) though, plus we'd still have D'arnaud who frames well. Not a lot of perfect catchers out there. I know Texas said they wanted to keep Lucroy, but I'd still be tempted to try to make them an offer they can't refuse if their negotiations stall out. Some combo of Bruce + TdA + Lugo/Robles/Nimmo types.