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The Braves have traded RHP John Gant, RHP Chris Ellis and INF Luke Dykstra to the Cardinals for LHP Jaime Garcia.
It's about time they started acting like a team that's in the market size they are. Hopefully the impetus to get a stadium deal done (esp now that Wolf is out of the way)
Arrested after leaving the scene in a DUI related accident. This after being under investigation for raping a girl last year. Glad we stayed away from that one.
I have asked this before but does anyone think there is any chance Reyes pulls a Desmond and takes fly balls in spring? Or is that asking to much of his legs?
I don't think I could stomach giving up the pick for fowler or Desmond and I am not sure that Carlos Gomez is an option unless his market craters
I have asked this before but does anyone think there is any chance Reyes pulls a Desmond and takes fly balls in spring? Or is that asking to much of his legs?
I don't think I could stomach giving up the pick for fowler or Desmond and I am not sure that Carlos Gomez is an option unless his market craters
I really dont see the point of it barring an emergency type of situation. Reyes is almost as old as Granderson and Granderson just proved he can still play there at least decently (and has played almost his whole career there). You have a gold glover in Lagares backing him up and Nimmo has played a bunch of CF in his life (whether he's average/below average or what).
Just go with Granderson and Lagares and baby Grandy. Hopefully Nimmo keeps hitting and can take over at some point.
Suspect Melancon gets closer to 15 and Blevins closer to 10
I dont doubt what you're saying but 10 million for a LOOGY would be absurd!!! lol. Melancon I could see if there's a bidding war for sure. I'd still offer him 4/45 and see what happens.
said the Mets are in fact in the market for a late-inning closer type in light of Familia's suspension so I actually do think we'll be in on a few guys. I bet we pass on Chapman and Janson for sure but I could see us adding a "name". I think we are going after a catcher too.
Bullpens kind of evolve as the year goes on. That's pretty much my dream offseason though. I dont think it will go down like that either but I do think it will be some variation of it. A loogy, a guy with some closing experience, a catcher, maybe KJ. It's really just rounding off the edges at this point.
I know Reed has closing experience, but I think he's better in that 8th inning role and the last time he was relied on as the primary closer he wasn't very good. In fact when you look at his stats, his peripherals were never as good as they were this past one plus seasons with the Mets.
not much worse to demoralize a team than a closer blowing leads.
I'd make closer a priority and then if/when Familia comes back it's a good problem to have. I assume you watched the playoffs, both teams in the WS used their BP's a lot and closers unconventionally (Miller at least).
I know Reed has closing experience, but I think he's better in that 8th inning role and the last time he was relied on as the primary closer he wasn't very good. In fact when you look at his stats, his peripherals were never as good as they were this past one plus seasons with the Mets.
not much worse to demoralize a team than a closer blowing leads.
I'd make closer a priority and then if/when Familia comes back it's a good problem to have. I assume you watched the playoffs, both teams in the WS used their BP's a lot and closers unconventionally (Miller at least).
Yeah and almost all of those teams acquired bullpen help later in the year/deadline. Cubs didnt have Chapman. Indians didnt have Miller. Nationals didn't have Melancon. Familia is probably looking at a 30 day suspension. Is it really the end of the world if one of the best relievers in all of baseball last year who has over 100 saves closes for us in April?? Is it really that awful if Robles/Smoker got their feet a little wet in big moments early?? Familia isn't getting suspended for the year. lol. It's also a LONG season.
And of course the Mets will make moves anyway this offseason
Just saying hypothetically even if they did nothing it wont be the end of the world. If the worst case scenario is Edgin's the LOOGY, Smoker/Robles get setup work, Plawecki's the backup, and Nimmo is the 5th OF/25th man... the roster isn't that far off from the best case scenario.
but bullpen by committees never work IMO, and you just need someone who can consistently close.
I just wouldn't minimize it.
Ok, well we have 2 of the of the top 8 relievers in baseball last year. Familia isn't going anywhere. Forgive me if I dont freak out if Reed has to close out some games against the Marlins, Reds, and Padres in April!
and from the sounds of it getting better, I'd much rather win the division than the WC (obvious?) and I'm not freaking out, simply saying I do have urgency around the bullpen and my response isn't "whatever, if Reed has to close while Familia is suspended he will or we'll find someone"
I'd make it a priority, maybe the biggest priority right now.
and from the sounds of it getting better, I'd much rather win the division than the WC (obvious?) and I'm not freaking out, simply saying I do have urgency around the bullpen and my response isn't "whatever, if Reed has to close while Familia is suspended he will or we'll find someone"
I'd make it a priority, maybe the biggest priority right now.
Yeah yeah... Same song and dance last year and we finished with second best bullpen in baseball. Worrying about the pen is kind of your thang. ;)
Simply because the roster is close to damn set. Obviously, we need to find a taker for Bruce. Hopefully, the Granderson talk is a smokescreen. LOOGY's can go very late in the offseason. Id expect Sandy to come a way with a catcher in the meetings and a Bruce deal. That's what Im hoping for anyway.
and from the sounds of it getting better, I'd much rather win the division than the WC (obvious?) and I'm not freaking out, simply saying I do have urgency around the bullpen and my response isn't "whatever, if Reed has to close while Familia is suspended he will or we'll find someone"
I'd make it a priority, maybe the biggest priority right now.
Yeah yeah... Same song and dance last year and we finished with second best bullpen in baseball. Worrying about the pen is kind of your thang. ;)
I think you can win the WS with the Mets rotation and lineup, but take Familia out of the pen and BP becomes a weakness IMO.
I'm not saying do something drastic, but I'd not be comfortable going in to the season for an undertermined amout of time without Familia and only the players on today's roster in the pen.
and from the sounds of it getting better, I'd much rather win the division than the WC (obvious?) and I'm not freaking out, simply saying I do have urgency around the bullpen and my response isn't "whatever, if Reed has to close while Familia is suspended he will or we'll find someone"
I'd make it a priority, maybe the biggest priority right now.
Yeah yeah... Same song and dance last year and we finished with second best bullpen in baseball. Worrying about the pen is kind of your thang. ;)
I think you can win the WS with the Mets rotation and lineup, but take Familia out of the pen and BP becomes a weakness IMO.
I'm not saying do something drastic, but I'd not be comfortable going in to the season for an undertermined amout of time without Familia and only the players on today's roster in the pen.
Ok but why are you talking about a WS with Familia off the roster? There is literally zero chance of that happening unless he's injured. Plus with as volatile as relievers can be season to season and how easily they can get injured it might actually make MORE sense to go after a guy at the deadline like the Cubs, Indians, and Nationals did. Sandy's added Clippard, Reed, and Salas at the deadline and Blevins in Spring Training. He seems to continually look for guys and isnt afraid to make deals later.
wouldn't be on the WS roster, but you need to get to the WS.
and with the Nationals proving 2015 was an anomaly and IMO they're better than that and 2016 is more the reality for them and the division is the preferred way to the playoffs I don't think the Mets have 30 days to roll the dice on a closer.
that's what I meant by the Mets can win the WS with their rotation and lineup, but not BP without Familia. I was suggesting to get there.
I think part of your problem is you dont trust Reed
Which is fine. The guy has closed for three entire seasons, however. He is coming off a career year where he was one of the top 4 relievers in all of baseball and he's still 27. There would be no closer by committee in April or "uncertainty". Reed's your closer and likely a damn good one. You aren't throwing away games in April at all IMO. How else are you supposed to get a look at younger players anyway? It's a freaking long season. Not the end of the world to test a few guys and see what they got. I think Smoker is going to be a late inning option very early.
as a closer, his best career numbers were the past season and a half in NY. By far in some cases.
Look at his stats and his 2016 season is such an outlier, with relievers being so fungible you have to hope it's not an anomaly but the norm with him going forward. I like him, but I'd hate to put my eggs all in that basket.
I'm not saying the Mets don't try it, Reed has been great as a Met, but I prefer him in the 8th inning role.
I'd love to be able to shorten games. Don't rely on starters to HAVE to go 7 innings.
IMO the Mets need another premier bullpen arm to do it.
Reed saving 29, 42, and 32 games averaging about a 3.5 FIP as a 21-23 year old isn't really peanuts. He flat out credits Warthen for improving him further in 2016 (really second half 2015 too). I just think you're severely undervaluing him. 20 teams in baseball make him their number one option closer in a blink if they had him after last year.
I don't trust himit all
Didn't care for him going into 16 and just as concerned going into 17. Most likely guy on team to underperform his salary. Just a personal opinion.
When they are usually the easiest and cheapest piece to acquire in the offseason. Look at what miller cost monatarily and look at the return he got. Relievers somehow increase massively in value mid season.
I don't trust himit all
Didn't care for him going into 16 and just as concerned going into 17. Most likely guy on team to underperform his salary. Just a personal opinion.
Rzepczynski too. Good LOOGY. Expected to settle for about 10 mil/2 years
Signed with Seattle, 2 year deal
Yup. Was citing what he was expected to sign for. 10 mil for 2 years. Was just saying he's a pretty damn good LOOGY and isn't signing for a kings ransom.
Is going to have a 1.97 FIP and a 1.97 ERA in 2017? Hell no. Do I think at minimum he'll be the guy who was a closer for 3 years averaging 30 saves with a 3.5 FIP?? Hell yes. Do I think somewhere in that range will be good enough while Familia is out for 30 days or so?? Hell yes.
You dont just become that dominant and that elite for nearly 80 innings unless something was really clicking. Not really going out on a limb saying he wont be "as" dominant though IMO.
Sandy is going to fill out the pen so this is really pretty pointless. I just think Reed and Familia will form an excellent tandem once again in 2017 and we dont really need that dominant name closer that is all the rage lately. But everyone saw my dream wish list and it had Melancom on it. Shit, it's only money and I cant see many other places we can spend it! Why not?
When they are usually the easiest and cheapest piece to acquire in the offseason. Look at what miller cost monatarily and look at the return he got. Relievers somehow increase massively in value mid season.
Except that none of these relievers are cheap in the offseason anymore. Hell, Dan's predicting 10 mil per for Blevins! That's nuts!
Alex Avila (30)
Juan Centeno (27)
Steve Clevenger (31)
Hank Conger (29)
A.J. Ellis (36)
Chris Gimenez (34)
Ryan Hanigan (36)
Nick Hundley (33)
Chris Iannetta (34)
Jeff Mathis (34)
Dioner Navarro (33)
Brayan Pea (35)
A.J. Pierzynski (40)
Wilson Ramos (29)
Wilin Rosario (28)
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (32)
Geovany Soto (34)
Kurt Suzuki (33)
Josh Thole (30)
Matt Wieters (31)
Bobby Wilson (34)
It takes a lot for me to change an opinion on a player
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The Braves have traded RHP John Gant, RHP Chris Ellis and INF Luke Dykstra to the Cardinals for LHP Jaime Garcia.
Has OF experience as well Link - ( New Window )
It's about time they started acting like a team that's in the market size they are. Hopefully the impetus to get a stadium deal done (esp now that Wolf is out of the way)
(expectation is the Pirates do NOT get Robles in the deal).
Not sure how mats convince them if a package without Robles. Interesting if true.
I don't think I could stomach giving up the pick for fowler or Desmond and I am not sure that Carlos Gomez is an option unless his market craters
I don't think I could stomach giving up the pick for fowler or Desmond and I am not sure that Carlos Gomez is an option unless his market craters
I really dont see the point of it barring an emergency type of situation. Reyes is almost as old as Granderson and Granderson just proved he can still play there at least decently (and has played almost his whole career there). You have a gold glover in Lagares backing him up and Nimmo has played a bunch of CF in his life (whether he's average/below average or what).
Just go with Granderson and Lagares and baby Grandy. Hopefully Nimmo keeps hitting and can take over at some point.
1.) Reyes 3B
2.) Granderson CF
3.) Cespedes LF
4.) Duda/Flores 1B
5.) Walker
6.) Conforto RF
7.) Cabrera SS
8.) TDA/Suzuki
1.) Thor
2.) deGrom
3.) Matz
4.) Harvey
5.) Gsellman
1.) Familia
2.) Melancon
3.) Reed
4.) Smoker
5.) Blevins
6.) Robles
7.) Sewald
1.) Lagares
2.) KJ
3.) Wright
4.) Flores/Duda
5.) TDA/Suzuki
AAA.
1.) Lugo
2.) Ynoa
3.) Nimmo
4.) TJ Rivera
5.) Rosario
6.) Cecchini
7.) Smith
8.) Plawecki
AA.
1.) Wheeler
Melancon 10-11 Mil
Suzuki 7 mil
Blevins 7 mil
KJ 2 mil
Minus Bruce 11 mil
Payroll ends up around 160 mil.
I dont doubt what you're saying but 10 million for a LOOGY would be absurd!!! lol. Melancon I could see if there's a bidding war for sure. I'd still offer him 4/45 and see what happens.
I know Reed has closing experience, but I think he's better in that 8th inning role and the last time he was relied on as the primary closer he wasn't very good. In fact when you look at his stats, his peripherals were never as good as they were this past one plus seasons with the Mets.
not much worse to demoralize a team than a closer blowing leads.
I'd make closer a priority and then if/when Familia comes back it's a good problem to have. I assume you watched the playoffs, both teams in the WS used their BP's a lot and closers unconventionally (Miller at least).
I know Reed has closing experience, but I think he's better in that 8th inning role and the last time he was relied on as the primary closer he wasn't very good. In fact when you look at his stats, his peripherals were never as good as they were this past one plus seasons with the Mets.
not much worse to demoralize a team than a closer blowing leads.
I'd make closer a priority and then if/when Familia comes back it's a good problem to have. I assume you watched the playoffs, both teams in the WS used their BP's a lot and closers unconventionally (Miller at least).
Yeah and almost all of those teams acquired bullpen help later in the year/deadline. Cubs didnt have Chapman. Indians didnt have Miller. Nationals didn't have Melancon. Familia is probably looking at a 30 day suspension. Is it really the end of the world if one of the best relievers in all of baseball last year who has over 100 saves closes for us in April?? Is it really that awful if Robles/Smoker got their feet a little wet in big moments early?? Familia isn't getting suspended for the year. lol. It's also a LONG season.
I just wouldn't minimize it.
I just wouldn't minimize it.
Ok, well we have 2 of the of the top 8 relievers in baseball last year. Familia isn't going anywhere. Forgive me if I dont freak out if Reed has to close out some games against the Marlins, Reds, and Padres in April!
I'd make it a priority, maybe the biggest priority right now.
I'd make it a priority, maybe the biggest priority right now.
Yeah yeah... Same song and dance last year and we finished with second best bullpen in baseball. Worrying about the pen is kind of your thang. ;)
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and from the sounds of it getting better, I'd much rather win the division than the WC (obvious?) and I'm not freaking out, simply saying I do have urgency around the bullpen and my response isn't "whatever, if Reed has to close while Familia is suspended he will or we'll find someone"
I'd make it a priority, maybe the biggest priority right now.
Yeah yeah... Same song and dance last year and we finished with second best bullpen in baseball. Worrying about the pen is kind of your thang. ;)
I think you can win the WS with the Mets rotation and lineup, but take Familia out of the pen and BP becomes a weakness IMO.
I'm not saying do something drastic, but I'd not be comfortable going in to the season for an undertermined amout of time without Familia and only the players on today's roster in the pen.
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and from the sounds of it getting better, I'd much rather win the division than the WC (obvious?) and I'm not freaking out, simply saying I do have urgency around the bullpen and my response isn't "whatever, if Reed has to close while Familia is suspended he will or we'll find someone"
I'd make it a priority, maybe the biggest priority right now.
Yeah yeah... Same song and dance last year and we finished with second best bullpen in baseball. Worrying about the pen is kind of your thang. ;)
I think you can win the WS with the Mets rotation and lineup, but take Familia out of the pen and BP becomes a weakness IMO.
I'm not saying do something drastic, but I'd not be comfortable going in to the season for an undertermined amout of time without Familia and only the players on today's roster in the pen.
Ok but why are you talking about a WS with Familia off the roster? There is literally zero chance of that happening unless he's injured. Plus with as volatile as relievers can be season to season and how easily they can get injured it might actually make MORE sense to go after a guy at the deadline like the Cubs, Indians, and Nationals did. Sandy's added Clippard, Reed, and Salas at the deadline and Blevins in Spring Training. He seems to continually look for guys and isnt afraid to make deals later.
and with the Nationals proving 2015 was an anomaly and IMO they're better than that and 2016 is more the reality for them and the division is the preferred way to the playoffs I don't think the Mets have 30 days to roll the dice on a closer.
that's what I meant by the Mets can win the WS with their rotation and lineup, but not BP without Familia. I was suggesting to get there.
Look at his stats and his 2016 season is such an outlier, with relievers being so fungible you have to hope it's not an anomaly but the norm with him going forward. I like him, but I'd hate to put my eggs all in that basket.
I'm not saying the Mets don't try it, Reed has been great as a Met, but I prefer him in the 8th inning role.
I'd love to be able to shorten games. Don't rely on starters to HAVE to go 7 innings.
IMO the Mets need another premier bullpen arm to do it.
Yep, could be more could be less. No clue how MLB goes on this.
Didn't care for him going into 16 and just as concerned going into 17. Most likely guy on team to underperform his salary. Just a personal opinion.
Signed with Seattle, 2 year deal
Didn't care for him going into 16 and just as concerned going into 17. Most likely guy on team to underperform his salary. Just a personal opinion.
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Rzepczynski too. Good LOOGY. Expected to settle for about 10 mil/2 years
Signed with Seattle, 2 year deal
Yup. Was citing what he was expected to sign for. 10 mil for 2 years. Was just saying he's a pretty damn good LOOGY and isn't signing for a kings ransom.
You dont just become that dominant and that elite for nearly 80 innings unless something was really clicking. Not really going out on a limb saying he wont be "as" dominant though IMO.
So you were wrong but your doubling down on 2017? Nice! I like it! hehe.
Except that none of these relievers are cheap in the offseason anymore. Hell, Dan's predicting 10 mil per for Blevins! That's nuts!
Juan Centeno (27)
Steve Clevenger (31)
Hank Conger (29)
A.J. Ellis (36)
Chris Gimenez (34)
Ryan Hanigan (36)
Nick Hundley (33)
Chris Iannetta (34)
Jeff Mathis (34)
Dioner Navarro (33)
Brayan Pea (35)
A.J. Pierzynski (40)
Wilson Ramos (29)
Wilin Rosario (28)
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (32)
Geovany Soto (34)
Kurt Suzuki (33)
Josh Thole (30)
Matt Wieters (31)
Bobby Wilson (34)