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Are the Giants and the Steelers the same team?

BurlyMan : 11/30/2016 11:06 am
Not at all, but some very similar stats. This article on Behind the Steel Curtain gets jut about everything wrong about the Giants, but the comments from Steelers and Giants fans were really interesting -- and very civil. I'm starting to think the Giants have a real shot at coming home with a win.


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They've definitely got a shot  
JonC : 11/30/2016 11:08 am : link
I'd wager it depends on how NYG responds to getting smacked in the mouth on the road by a physical, desperate team.
Practically have common  
The Turk : 11/30/2016 11:15 am : link
ownership - see Rooney Mara
What's the Quinnipiac poll say?  
Giants2012 : 11/30/2016 11:23 am : link
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Said it on another thread...  
x meadowlander : 11/30/2016 11:28 am : link
Giants are EXCELLENT at holding teams under 20 points.

Steelers have been held under 20 5 times this year. And they've given up more than 20 6 times.

I actually love the Giants chances in this game. To date, they've done a really good jobs of winning the games they should win - THIS is one of those games.
RE: Said it on another thread...  
Giants2012 : 11/30/2016 11:33 am : link
In comment 13241118 x meadowlander said:
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Giants are EXCELLENT at holding teams under 20 points.



How long can it last when the Giants are 2nd to last in time of possession? Only the 49ers are ranked lower. It's not like the offense is scoring so quickly. They're actually punting quicker.
The difference is...  
BamaBlue : 11/30/2016 11:34 am : link
Bell. The Giants don't have anything close to the ground production he generates.
Steelers have an excellent OL  
ChicagoMarty : 11/30/2016 11:36 am : link
Jints have an excellent DL

Something's gotta give!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are like opposites.  
mattlawson : 11/30/2016 11:41 am : link
Their D isn't what it once was. Ours has drastically improved. Should be a GREAT game
RE: The difference is...  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/30/2016 11:49 am : link
In comment 13241129 BamaBlue said:
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Bell. The Giants don't have anything close to the ground production he generates.


He's an amazing player. Elliot and David Johnson are excellent, but Bell is the best RB in football.
RE: RE: The difference is...  
EricJ : 11/30/2016 11:58 am : link
In comment 13241157 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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He's an amazing player. Elliot and David Johnson are excellent, but Bell is the best RB in football.


Right... and he is deadly catching passes and we all know how well our LBs defend that.

He also is extremely patient running the ball. He lets the O-line setup the blocks and then waits for the LBs to commit to a gap before committing to one himself. This will be one of our biggest challenges on defense because we often struggle here. Because of this, I think Collins plays a critical role in essentially spying on Bell on run plays waiting for him to commit and then attack that gap. The problem is he will by then have gained 2-3 yards already.

The other problem we have is time of possession. We cannot squander drives and opportunities. We need to really focus on plays that move the chains. I don't mind taking a shot down field but last week was way too much and at the wrong times. I also think we need to run the ball but not always when everyone in the stadium is predicting it.
Giants have a much  
Rory : 11/30/2016 12:40 pm : link
better secondary

Steelers have better TE's
This article was kinda crap  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/30/2016 2:18 pm : link
The Giants secondary is not "porous." While they are 24th is yards/game, they are 7th in yards/attempt and 4th in QB rating against. Football Outsiders have them rated 8th in pass defense overall. These are all much better metrics when judging a pass defense than yards per game.

A lot of the passing yardage can be chalked up to the also very good run defense, which forces opponents to throw more.
Vernon  
Joey in VA : 11/30/2016 2:28 pm : link
Should be able to get heat, Villanueva is the type of player he does well against, very big and slow to react. They do have big bodies up front so time of possession is going to matter, we have to find a way to grind out some time on offense.

I'd personally like to see us do what the Raiders did a few weeks ago with their RBs. They used Crabtree and Cooper to stretch the field and their RBs killed the Texans LBs underneath to the tune of 199 receiving yards and 2 TDs. Those bigger more physical 3-4 LBs got exposed in coverage and were worn down in the 4th quarter as the Raiders scored the final 14 of the game to win. Houston's pass defense is solid across the board and instead of challenging it vertically, the Raiders killed them with their RBs instead of their outstanding WR duo. We could very well do that out of the two TE look too, using Tye and Perkins as those pass catchers down the field.
As far as how their organizations are run  
Carson53 : 11/30/2016 2:50 pm : link
they are kind of like two peas in a pod.
Obviously this has nothing to do with stats, just food for thought watching these organizations over the years.
It's no coincidence.
RE: Vernon  
Matt M. : 11/30/2016 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13241491 Joey in VA said:
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Should be able to get heat, Villanueva is the type of player he does well against, very big and slow to react. They do have big bodies up front so time of possession is going to matter, we have to find a way to grind out some time on offense.

I'd personally like to see us do what the Raiders did a few weeks ago with their RBs. They used Crabtree and Cooper to stretch the field and their RBs killed the Texans LBs underneath to the tune of 199 receiving yards and 2 TDs. Those bigger more physical 3-4 LBs got exposed in coverage and were worn down in the 4th quarter as the Raiders scored the final 14 of the game to win. Houston's pass defense is solid across the board and instead of challenging it vertically, the Raiders killed them with their RBs instead of their outstanding WR duo. We could very well do that out of the two TE look too, using Tye and Perkins as those pass catchers down the field.
I like this. But, I have also been saying they are under utilizing Perkins in the passing game for weeks now. I would say the same about Tye and even Adams.
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