If you really believe Porzingis should be a fulltime 5 at this point in his career, you should stick to NFL mock drafts. Playing the 5 isn't predicated upon purely a player's height. God knows what your advice for Nowitzki would have been his first few years in the league.
Lmao.. true. KP isn't ready for the fulltime 5 role just yet. Noahs contract is an abysmal. But right now KP needs to lean on him for veteran leadership. Can't have KP out there banging with 5's every night.
Honestly, my main beef with the Noah contract is length, not salary. In a period where Mozgov and Mahinmi each got 16/yr, I'd gladly pay 18/yr for Noah. Just not for 4 years.
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If you really believe Porzingis should be a fulltime 5 at this point in his career, you should stick to NFL mock drafts. Playing the 5 isn't predicated upon purely a player's height. God knows what your advice for Nowitzki would have been his first few years in the league.
Lmao.. true. KP isn't ready for the fulltime 5 role just yet. Noahs contract is an abysmal. But right now KP needs to lean on him for veteran leadership. Can't have KP out there banging with 5's every night.
Honestly, my main beef with the Noah contract is length, not salary. In a period where Mozgov and Mahinmi each got 16/yr, I'd gladly pay 18/yr for Noah. Just not for 4 years.
Especially if he's going to be riding the bench in between periods of mediocre play.
will be the contract. You can't fault him for anything else. Yes, he's a black hole on offense. But he brings veteran leadership, has played in the big games, and can mentor KP.
He can makes this Knicks team tough. But... his injury history is already not looking good so far this year. He's constantly out, his minutes are limited, and it looks like Plumlee, KP and HernanGomez look to be suitable.
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Before the game winner. An open 3 off a Jennings PnR that he airballed, and an elbow jumper - basically his bread and butter shot. He's in a shooting slump - it happens.
People give Melo shit for Iso-ing all the time, but there's a reason that it's been consistent throughout various coaches over the past 6 years. He's one of the best in the NBA at creating his own shot. Give him an inch and he'll hit the shot with a lot of consistency.
Go look at an interview with Paul Pierce from a few years ago where he named the toughest players he ever had to guard. Read the blurb on Melo. Knicks fans take what he brings to the team for granted.
And DESPITE EVERYTHING, Melo came into the game KNOWING that his shot was off. Throughout the entire 1st half, both Breen and Clyde were talking about how Melo wasn't even looking for his shot, and just trying to pass. The dude can't win.
Because of how 1 dimensional he is, that's true. If he can't shoot, he's worthless.
Yes, last year when he had career highs in rebounds and assists and played some of the best defense of his career, he proved his monodimensionality. I'll give you that his defense has been shit this year, but you can say that with everyone on the team this year. Rose has gotten better on D, Holiday has been great on that side, and Jennings has proved to be quite pesky at times (bringing back memories of Prigioni). Everyone else has been dogshit.
And this "effort" argument isn't even worth addressing.
He didn't have career high rebounds last year. He did assists tho. I didn't know a personal best qualified as relevant to a players relative strengths within the league tho...
This year his assist% is slightly below his career average. Rebounds% is around career average. So, this is really Melo's game apparently. If you want to look numbers.
Apologies, his 2nd highest rebounding numbers of his career, behind 13-14 when he had to fill in at the 4 most of the time to compensate for injuries to Chandler and Bargnani.
And his assist % percentage is down slightly from his career average, the same year that the Knicks brought in 2 PGs in the offseason? Nothing more than a coincidence. Melo doesn't adapt, remember?
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Apologies, his 2nd highest rebounding numbers of his career, behind 13-14 when he had to fill in at the 4 most of the time to compensate for injuries to Chandler and Bargnani.
And his assist % percentage is down slightly from his career average, the same year that the Knicks brought in 2 PGs in the offseason? Nothing more than a coincidence. Melo doesn't adapt, remember?
You ignored my point, which was that this is career average for him, by the numbers. I wasn't dogging his as%
knicks really should win their next 3, twolves, kings and heat...
get a couple of games above 500
Outside Cleveland/Toronto it looks like every other spot is up for grabs. I don't think Boston is anything special unless they get a legit center by mid season.
I thought th east would be a lot better this season Â
But I think the shitty teams in the east made some strides while the top teams didn't really change much. I think it is stronger but it won't be evidenced in W/L records because all the teams are about as good as each other. Still a ways to go to matchup to the top of the west.
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Apologies, his 2nd highest rebounding numbers of his career, behind 13-14 when he had to fill in at the 4 most of the time to compensate for injuries to Chandler and Bargnani.
And his assist % percentage is down slightly from his career average, the same year that the Knicks brought in 2 PGs in the offseason? Nothing more than a coincidence. Melo doesn't adapt, remember?
You ignored my point, which was that this is career average for him, by the numbers. I wasn't dogging his as%
I'm not sure what your point is, so if I ignored it - oops? Melo is never going to be a Lebron type playmaker. He's a phenomenal scorer, a great passer and a good rebounder. But his assist numbers will never increase dramatically, because his vision and passing is usually a product of how he's getting the ball on offense. Think more hockey assists than anything. And look at the game that Rose hit the game winner - Melo grabbing rebounds at the end basically made it happen. People say he's selfish, but he always does what he needs to do to help the team within the primary scorer mentality.
we're now in December and the #8 seed in the playoffs if Â
I don't think we're far off anyone's projections among Knicks fans who saw us as an in-the-playoffs-but-not-by-much team.
Can't tell you guys what to do, but a lot of vitriol spilled here among fans who should be pulling on the same rope.
I'm liking Hornacek as coach, and I think several of Phil's moves as GM have paid off. Players like Melo, Noah, Rose - they are not going to get either brain or body transplants, so don't engage in wishful thinking.
It's an interesting mix of young and old, US and international - that's what we've got, along with a likely low-seed playoff team.
Beats last year IMO ...
Thank you for putting Rose on the bench coach Hornacek. Â
Rose has been playing well this season but he was struggling in the fourth last night. Nothing wrong with taken the ball out of his hands..
"kid, you don't have it tonight". Should of done the same with Melo on Saturday.
KAT was amazing last night. Just an absolutely beastly performance Â
of the Dantoni era where every once in a while they would steal a win due to hitting a bunch of threes. I didn't come away from that game thinking they played all that well.
of the Dantoni era where every once in a while they would steal a win due to hitting a bunch of threes. I didn't come away from that game thinking they played all that well.
You are correct, but stealing a win on the road from a western conference team is always huge.
Its absolutely amazing that the TWolves are going to be in the lottery again. They need to trade Rubio ASAP. And hope they can land a Ball or Fox in the draft.
of the Dantoni era where every once in a while they would steal a win due to hitting a bunch of threes. I didn't come away from that game thinking they played all that well.
On the other hand, we've also lost some games this year due to aberrant 3 point shooting by opponents. Washington beat us by 7 shooting 15-25 from 3 (60%). If instead they had shot an insane 48%, they would have 9 less points and we could have won. If they had shot their season average 34.1% (even including our game), they might have scored 18 fewer points. Similarly, Detroit beat us by 13, shooting 8-13 from 3. If they had shot their season average 33.3%, it would have been a very close game.
of the Dantoni era where every once in a while they would steal a win due to hitting a bunch of threes. I didn't come away from that game thinking they played all that well.
You are correct, but stealing a win on the road from a western conference team is always huge.
Its absolutely amazing that the TWolves are going to be in the lottery again. They need to trade Rubio ASAP. And hope they can land a Ball or Fox in the draft.
Im really not so amazed. Learning to win is part of the development curve. Knicks of the past several years have been in a lot of games and then the veteran good teams pull away in the last 2 minutes because they have been there, done that. Minny's Expected W-L per BBR is 8-10; I dont think the discrepancy is them being unlucky, I think it is inexperience in closing out.
It's also early for them and they have a new coach. They could get very hot (they have the talent). It's a very tough draw to get to they playoffs from 5-13, but I think there is a good shot that the 8th seed in the west is a few games under 500. If Portland falters/see injuries, it's a bunch of 7-11 or worse teams and the Lakers, who I dont buy as a 41 win squad.
plus if the wolves did not get every single call Â
Im curious to know, of the people now taking a dump on Melo, Rose, or Noah, whether any of them supported adding Rose and Noah this offseason to "compete" during "Melo's window".
Because Im not as down on that trio as some, but it was clear to me that there were huge age/injury risks and no championship upside, so I advocated a sell off instead of acquisitions.
the Wolves have a ton of work to do as far as filling out the rest of their roster with legit NBA rotation pieces.
They are probably regretting the contract to Dieng right now. 16 million a year for a 4th option is steep plus he has not been as good defensively this year. I think eventually they are going to have to choose between Wiggins or Lavine as who to keep.
Is maybe we can get a young star to bite on Rose's salary slot next year cause that player would have KP to team up with for years to come.
knicks do not have the cap space even if they let rose go, it is part of the reason i think knicks sign him to a 3 year deal and then noah, lee, rose and melo all expire same time and hopefully someone says i want to play with kp
wiggins did nothing except for hitting a couple of open shots, his d was good on melo but nothing crazy..
lavine did nothing, he is all flair with no substance..
rubio looks shot, looks like he doesnt care..
dunn looks dreadful
i really hope thibs does not run towns into the ground
Dunn was suppose to NBA-ready, however having him sit behind Rubio has really slowed his progress down. I always felt Lavine would be a better PG than a SG, however he falls in love with the 3 point shot and forces it when he doesnt get attempts.
If they continue to lose, they have to trade Rubio. Well they should trade him anyways. However the protoypical PG that rubio is dying in the NBA. He cant shoot and doesnt have the speed to get to the basket or the foul line. I dont see where he fits on an NBA roster. I felt Philly was a good spot, but when Simmonds returns, he is going to be ball dominate. The Twolves were suppose to turn the corner and at this point, they have actually regressed.
just trolled the FUCK out of Michael Jordan (assuming this is real)
Yup that was real.
It's sometimes hard to remember that Thomas was an IU grad. All his accomplishments came decades before I was even born, let alone went to IU. Caused so much misery for me as a Knicks fan and I didn't get to enjoy any of his success as an IU fan. Woe is me.
Is maybe we can get a young star to bite on Rose's salary slot next year cause that player would have KP to team up with for years to come.
knicks do not have the cap space even if they let rose go, it is part of the reason i think knicks sign him to a 3 year deal and then noah, lee, rose and melo all expire same time and hopefully someone says i want to play with kp
Im not advocating that, but if that goes down (note Melo expires a year earlier), the best FAs in 2020 will be the players from the 2012 draft who have opt outs, and the ones from the 2011 draft who dont.
2012ers: Davis and Lilliard have no opt outs, Drummond and Draymond do so they will be FAs.
2011ers: Basically all the good ones come free a year earlier (Butler, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie, Kemba, Baby Zeke (2018). Reggie Jackson comes free in 2020; but note that he came in a little older than most, so his next deal will mostly cover his early 30s.
My roommate from college and I once took a tour of the turner sports/NBA studio a few years back. We are walking out of the studio as two men were walking in. One turned and said "hi" and I said "hi" back, not giving so much as a quick glance. After they walk by my roommate was like "I'm pretty sure that was Isiah Thomas that said hi to you and the other guy was Dominique Wilkins".
free agents has proven to be a dicey approach. So far Phil and all of his rings hasn't even been able to get meetings with the top tier guys, let alone sign them.
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wiggins did nothing except for hitting a couple of open shots, his d was good on melo but nothing crazy..
lavine did nothing, he is all flair with no substance..
rubio looks shot, looks like he doesnt care..
dunn looks dreadful
i really hope thibs does not run towns into the ground
Dunn was suppose to NBA-ready, however having him sit behind Rubio has really slowed his progress down. I always felt Lavine would be a better PG than a SG, however he falls in love with the 3 point shot and forces it when he doesnt get attempts.
If they continue to lose, they have to trade Rubio. Well they should trade him anyways. However the protoypical PG that rubio is dying in the NBA. He cant shoot and doesnt have the speed to get to the basket or the foul line. I dont see where he fits on an NBA roster. I felt Philly was a good spot, but when Simmonds returns, he is going to be ball dominate. The Twolves were suppose to turn the corner and at this point, they have actually regressed.
I personally thought Dunn was very raw for a junior in college. He has upside but I think he fits better as a good bench guard. But so does Rubio.
I kind of disagree with them having to choose between Wiggins and Lavine. I don't think Wiggins is suited as a ball dominant player. He's still a poor dribbler and looks to jack up step backs/fadeways instead of playing within an offense. I think he can be very, very good if he stays off the ball.
Despite all of Lavines 3 point jacking he's still shooting 37% on 6.5 3s a game. Nothing impressive but there are games he can win you when he's hot. He's very streaky but he's about a pure shooter as you'll see in basketball.
Wolves will need to make a trade one way or another. Something like Dunn/Dieng for Noel. The future starting PG for this wolves team is currently not on the roster IMO.
free agents has proven to be a dicey approach. So far Phil and all of his rings hasn't even been able to get meetings with the top tier guys, let alone sign them.
Such as who? Who were all these top guys that we couldn't get a meeting with? Only one I can think of is Aldridge and we made it clear that we wanted him at the 5 and if not, let's not waste time. Please list.
Whether you like the contracts or not and whether you would have gone in a different direction or not, he signed a few guys that were sought after elsewhere and were being offered more elsewhere. Noah, Jennings and Lee.
free agents has proven to be a dicey approach. So far Phil and all of his rings hasn't even been able to get meetings with the top tier guys, let alone sign them.
Key point. Whereas I believe that in a few years, KP + a few high picks + the Melo return would have had us either in the convo with FAs or in a position to make a trade for someone.
Give KP a lead guard (say a Wall, who I think is dying to leave), plus say Noel when he becomes a free agent and 3&Ds at the wing slots (trying to be realistic) and you have a title competitive team I think.
Whether you like the contracts or not and whether you would have gone in a different direction or not, he signed a few guys that were sought after elsewhere and were being offered more elsewhere. Noah, Jennings and Lee.
Jennings I believe said he got no other offers. Not sure that anyone was offering Noah materially more. Lee is a depth starter.
free agents has proven to be a dicey approach. So far Phil and all of his rings hasn't even been able to get meetings with the top tier guys, let alone sign them.
Such as who? Who were all these top guys that we couldn't get a meeting with? Only one I can think of is Aldridge and we made it clear that we wanted him at the 5 and if not, let's not waste time. Please list.
LMA, Horford, Durant. Durant was taking meetings IN NEW YORK and Phil couldn't even get in to see him. And then you had Mills trying to spin it after the fact. It's pathetic. Of the top guys who've been free agents, have any of them even considered the Knicks? Deandre is the only one I can think of where it was even mentioned that the Knicks were in the running. Even the lower tier guys like Monroe have spurned him.
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wiggins did nothing except for hitting a couple of open shots, his d was good on melo but nothing crazy..
lavine did nothing, he is all flair with no substance..
rubio looks shot, looks like he doesnt care..
dunn looks dreadful
i really hope thibs does not run towns into the ground
Dunn was suppose to NBA-ready, however having him sit behind Rubio has really slowed his progress down. I always felt Lavine would be a better PG than a SG, however he falls in love with the 3 point shot and forces it when he doesnt get attempts.
If they continue to lose, they have to trade Rubio. Well they should trade him anyways. However the protoypical PG that rubio is dying in the NBA. He cant shoot and doesnt have the speed to get to the basket or the foul line. I dont see where he fits on an NBA roster. I felt Philly was a good spot, but when Simmonds returns, he is going to be ball dominate. The Twolves were suppose to turn the corner and at this point, they have actually regressed.
I personally thought Dunn was very raw for a junior in college. He has upside but I think he fits better as a good bench guard. But so does Rubio.
I kind of disagree with them having to choose between Wiggins and Lavine. I don't think Wiggins is suited as a ball dominant player. He's still a poor dribbler and looks to jack up step backs/fadeways instead of playing within an offense. I think he can be very, very good if he stays off the ball.
Despite all of Lavines 3 point jacking he's still shooting 37% on 6.5 3s a game. Nothing impressive but there are games he can win you when he's hot. He's very streaky but he's about a pure shooter as you'll see in basketball.
Wolves will need to make a trade one way or another. Something like Dunn/Dieng for Noel. The future starting PG for this wolves team is currently not on the roster IMO.
At this rate they may be in the mix for a draft heavy PG. Ball, Fox, Fultz, and Smith are all top 10 already.
jennings they gave 5 million to so they have some rights to try and resign him, they tried trading for him to get his bird righta but couldnt get it done..
noah there were rumors of other teams but i dont know how true they were, noah never really mentioned other teams
he'd be nice in philly too but depending on how much Simmons dominates the ball it may better to surround him and Embiid with as many shooters as possible.
free agents has proven to be a dicey approach. So far Phil and all of his rings hasn't even been able to get meetings with the top tier guys, let alone sign them.
Such as who? Who were all these top guys that we couldn't get a meeting with? Only one I can think of is Aldridge and we made it clear that we wanted him at the 5 and if not, let's not waste time. Please list.
LMA, Horford, Durant. Durant was taking meetings IN NEW YORK and Phil couldn't even get in to see him. And then you had Mills trying to spin it after the fact. It's pathetic. Of the top guys who've been free agents, have any of them even considered the Knicks? Deandre is the only one I can think of where it was even mentioned that the Knicks were in the running. Even the lower tier guys like Monroe have spurned him.
horford? who cares he is so overrated it is unbelievable..
durant if you remember was with melo for a lot of his time in new york before his meetings, i am glad the knicks did not waste their time of he had no interest...
monroe is a thank god the knicks did not sign him and phil offered him less than the max, he would have been an awful fit
jennings they gave 5 million to so they have some rights to try and resign him, they tried trading for him to get his bird righta but couldnt get it done..
noah there were rumors of other teams but i dont know how true they were, noah never really mentioned other teams
Only other team I really heard tied to Noah was Minnesota and that was because thibs was there. Would've made very little sense for them to give Noah anywhere near that much. They passed on Luol Deng as well.
Whether you like the contracts or not and whether you would have gone in a different direction or not, he signed a few guys that were sought after elsewhere and were being offered more elsewhere. Noah, Jennings and Lee.
who was offering Noah more money? As for Jennings, here's a direct quote:
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jennings they gave 5 million to so they have some rights to try and resign him, they tried trading for him to get his bird righta but couldnt get it done..
noah there were rumors of other teams but i dont know how true they were, noah never really mentioned other teams
Only other team I really heard tied to Noah was Minnesota and that was because thibs was there. Would've made very little sense for them to give Noah anywhere near that much. They passed on Luol Deng as well.
Whether you like the contracts or not and whether you would have gone in a different direction or not, he signed a few guys that were sought after elsewhere and were being offered more elsewhere. Noah, Jennings and Lee.
who was offering Noah more money? As for Jennings, here's a direct quote:
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Q: What other teams were interested in you?
A: Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York.
bahahahaha....
they gave him 5 million for a reason and is actually a smart reason
A very poor fit because it wouldn't have really helped the Knicks interior defense or rebounding issues. But if $18M a year for Noah is worth it then Horford should be getting paid $40M a year easy.
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1 - Rose
2 - Lee
3 - Whomever
4 - Melo
5 - Porzingis
If you really believe Porzingis should be a fulltime 5 at this point in his career, you should stick to NFL mock drafts. Playing the 5 isn't predicated upon purely a player's height. God knows what your advice for Nowitzki would have been his first few years in the league.
Lmao.. true. KP isn't ready for the fulltime 5 role just yet. Noahs contract is an abysmal. But right now KP needs to lean on him for veteran leadership. Can't have KP out there banging with 5's every night.
Honestly, my main beef with the Noah contract is length, not salary. In a period where Mozgov and Mahinmi each got 16/yr, I'd gladly pay 18/yr for Noah. Just not for 4 years.
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1 - Rose
2 - Lee
3 - Whomever
4 - Melo
5 - Porzingis
If you really believe Porzingis should be a fulltime 5 at this point in his career, you should stick to NFL mock drafts. Playing the 5 isn't predicated upon purely a player's height. God knows what your advice for Nowitzki would have been his first few years in the league.
Lmao.. true. KP isn't ready for the fulltime 5 role just yet. Noahs contract is an abysmal. But right now KP needs to lean on him for veteran leadership. Can't have KP out there banging with 5's every night.
Honestly, my main beef with the Noah contract is length, not salary. In a period where Mozgov and Mahinmi each got 16/yr, I'd gladly pay 18/yr for Noah. Just not for 4 years.
Especially if he's going to be riding the bench in between periods of mediocre play.
He can makes this Knicks team tough. But... his injury history is already not looking good so far this year. He's constantly out, his minutes are limited, and it looks like Plumlee, KP and HernanGomez look to be suitable.
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Before the game winner. An open 3 off a Jennings PnR that he airballed, and an elbow jumper - basically his bread and butter shot. He's in a shooting slump - it happens.
People give Melo shit for Iso-ing all the time, but there's a reason that it's been consistent throughout various coaches over the past 6 years. He's one of the best in the NBA at creating his own shot. Give him an inch and he'll hit the shot with a lot of consistency.
Go look at an interview with Paul Pierce from a few years ago where he named the toughest players he ever had to guard. Read the blurb on Melo. Knicks fans take what he brings to the team for granted.
And DESPITE EVERYTHING, Melo came into the game KNOWING that his shot was off. Throughout the entire 1st half, both Breen and Clyde were talking about how Melo wasn't even looking for his shot, and just trying to pass. The dude can't win.
Because of how 1 dimensional he is, that's true. If he can't shoot, he's worthless.
Yes, last year when he had career highs in rebounds and assists and played some of the best defense of his career, he proved his monodimensionality. I'll give you that his defense has been shit this year, but you can say that with everyone on the team this year. Rose has gotten better on D, Holiday has been great on that side, and Jennings has proved to be quite pesky at times (bringing back memories of Prigioni). Everyone else has been dogshit.
And this "effort" argument isn't even worth addressing.
He didn't have career high rebounds last year. He did assists tho. I didn't know a personal best qualified as relevant to a players relative strengths within the league tho...
This year his assist% is slightly below his career average. Rebounds% is around career average. So, this is really Melo's game apparently. If you want to look numbers.
Apologies, his 2nd highest rebounding numbers of his career, behind 13-14 when he had to fill in at the 4 most of the time to compensate for injuries to Chandler and Bargnani.
And his assist % percentage is down slightly from his career average, the same year that the Knicks brought in 2 PGs in the offseason? Nothing more than a coincidence. Melo doesn't adapt, remember?
Apologies, his 2nd highest rebounding numbers of his career, behind 13-14 when he had to fill in at the 4 most of the time to compensate for injuries to Chandler and Bargnani.
And his assist % percentage is down slightly from his career average, the same year that the Knicks brought in 2 PGs in the offseason? Nothing more than a coincidence. Melo doesn't adapt, remember?
You ignored my point, which was that this is career average for him, by the numbers. I wasn't dogging his as%
get a couple of games above 500
get a couple of games above 500
Outside Cleveland/Toronto it looks like every other spot is up for grabs. I don't think Boston is anything special unless they get a legit center by mid season.
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Apologies, his 2nd highest rebounding numbers of his career, behind 13-14 when he had to fill in at the 4 most of the time to compensate for injuries to Chandler and Bargnani.
And his assist % percentage is down slightly from his career average, the same year that the Knicks brought in 2 PGs in the offseason? Nothing more than a coincidence. Melo doesn't adapt, remember?
You ignored my point, which was that this is career average for him, by the numbers. I wasn't dogging his as%
I'm not sure what your point is, so if I ignored it - oops? Melo is never going to be a Lebron type playmaker. He's a phenomenal scorer, a great passer and a good rebounder. But his assist numbers will never increase dramatically, because his vision and passing is usually a product of how he's getting the ball on offense. Think more hockey assists than anything. And look at the game that Rose hit the game winner - Melo grabbing rebounds at the end basically made it happen. People say he's selfish, but he always does what he needs to do to help the team within the primary scorer mentality.
I don't think we're far off anyone's projections among Knicks fans who saw us as an in-the-playoffs-but-not-by-much team.
Can't tell you guys what to do, but a lot of vitriol spilled here among fans who should be pulling on the same rope.
I'm liking Hornacek as coach, and I think several of Phil's moves as GM have paid off. Players like Melo, Noah, Rose - they are not going to get either brain or body transplants, so don't engage in wishful thinking.
It's an interesting mix of young and old, US and international - that's what we've got, along with a likely low-seed playoff team.
Beats last year IMO ...
"kid, you don't have it tonight". Should of done the same with Melo on Saturday.
You are correct, but stealing a win on the road from a western conference team is always huge.
Its absolutely amazing that the TWolves are going to be in the lottery again. They need to trade Rubio ASAP. And hope they can land a Ball or Fox in the draft.
On the other hand, we've also lost some games this year due to aberrant 3 point shooting by opponents. Washington beat us by 7 shooting 15-25 from 3 (60%). If instead they had shot an insane 48%, they would have 9 less points and we could have won. If they had shot their season average 34.1% (even including our game), they might have scored 18 fewer points. Similarly, Detroit beat us by 13, shooting 8-13 from 3. If they had shot their season average 33.3%, it would have been a very close game.
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of the Dantoni era where every once in a while they would steal a win due to hitting a bunch of threes. I didn't come away from that game thinking they played all that well.
You are correct, but stealing a win on the road from a western conference team is always huge.
Its absolutely amazing that the TWolves are going to be in the lottery again. They need to trade Rubio ASAP. And hope they can land a Ball or Fox in the draft.
Im really not so amazed. Learning to win is part of the development curve. Knicks of the past several years have been in a lot of games and then the veteran good teams pull away in the last 2 minutes because they have been there, done that. Minny's Expected W-L per BBR is 8-10; I dont think the discrepancy is them being unlucky, I think it is inexperience in closing out.
It's also early for them and they have a new coach. They could get very hot (they have the talent). It's a very tough draw to get to they playoffs from 5-13, but I think there is a good shot that the 8th seed in the west is a few games under 500. If Portland falters/see injuries, it's a bunch of 7-11 or worse teams and the Lakers, who I dont buy as a 41 win squad.
towns shot more free throws than the entire knicks team..
Jennings never gets a call in the paint, never..it was a complete 1 sided officiated game
Because Im not as down on that trio as some, but it was clear to me that there were huge age/injury risks and no championship upside, so I advocated a sell off instead of acquisitions.
They are probably regretting the contract to Dieng right now. 16 million a year for a 4th option is steep plus he has not been as good defensively this year. I think eventually they are going to have to choose between Wiggins or Lavine as who to keep.
lavine did nothing, he is all flair with no substance..
rubio looks shot, looks like he doesnt care..
dunn looks dreadful
i really hope thibs does not run towns into the ground
who?
knicks do not have the cap space even if they let rose go, it is part of the reason i think knicks sign him to a 3 year deal and then noah, lee, rose and melo all expire same time and hopefully someone says i want to play with kp
lavine did nothing, he is all flair with no substance..
rubio looks shot, looks like he doesnt care..
dunn looks dreadful
i really hope thibs does not run towns into the ground
Dunn was suppose to NBA-ready, however having him sit behind Rubio has really slowed his progress down. I always felt Lavine would be a better PG than a SG, however he falls in love with the 3 point shot and forces it when he doesnt get attempts.
If they continue to lose, they have to trade Rubio. Well they should trade him anyways. However the protoypical PG that rubio is dying in the NBA. He cant shoot and doesnt have the speed to get to the basket or the foul line. I dont see where he fits on an NBA roster. I felt Philly was a good spot, but when Simmonds returns, he is going to be ball dominate. The Twolves were suppose to turn the corner and at this point, they have actually regressed.
1 for Isaiah. Needs about 1,000 more to catch up to jordan trolling. How's that 1992 gold medal working on for Zeke?
Yup that was real.
It's sometimes hard to remember that Thomas was an IU grad. All his accomplishments came decades before I was even born, let alone went to IU. Caused so much misery for me as a Knicks fan and I didn't get to enjoy any of his success as an IU fan. Woe is me.
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Is maybe we can get a young star to bite on Rose's salary slot next year cause that player would have KP to team up with for years to come.
knicks do not have the cap space even if they let rose go, it is part of the reason i think knicks sign him to a 3 year deal and then noah, lee, rose and melo all expire same time and hopefully someone says i want to play with kp
Im not advocating that, but if that goes down (note Melo expires a year earlier), the best FAs in 2020 will be the players from the 2012 draft who have opt outs, and the ones from the 2011 draft who dont.
2012ers: Davis and Lilliard have no opt outs, Drummond and Draymond do so they will be FAs.
2011ers: Basically all the good ones come free a year earlier (Butler, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie, Kemba, Baby Zeke (2018). Reggie Jackson comes free in 2020; but note that he came in a little older than most, so his next deal will mostly cover his early 30s.
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wiggins did nothing except for hitting a couple of open shots, his d was good on melo but nothing crazy..
lavine did nothing, he is all flair with no substance..
rubio looks shot, looks like he doesnt care..
dunn looks dreadful
i really hope thibs does not run towns into the ground
Dunn was suppose to NBA-ready, however having him sit behind Rubio has really slowed his progress down. I always felt Lavine would be a better PG than a SG, however he falls in love with the 3 point shot and forces it when he doesnt get attempts.
If they continue to lose, they have to trade Rubio. Well they should trade him anyways. However the protoypical PG that rubio is dying in the NBA. He cant shoot and doesnt have the speed to get to the basket or the foul line. I dont see where he fits on an NBA roster. I felt Philly was a good spot, but when Simmonds returns, he is going to be ball dominate. The Twolves were suppose to turn the corner and at this point, they have actually regressed.
I personally thought Dunn was very raw for a junior in college. He has upside but I think he fits better as a good bench guard. But so does Rubio.
I kind of disagree with them having to choose between Wiggins and Lavine. I don't think Wiggins is suited as a ball dominant player. He's still a poor dribbler and looks to jack up step backs/fadeways instead of playing within an offense. I think he can be very, very good if he stays off the ball.
Despite all of Lavines 3 point jacking he's still shooting 37% on 6.5 3s a game. Nothing impressive but there are games he can win you when he's hot. He's very streaky but he's about a pure shooter as you'll see in basketball.
Wolves will need to make a trade one way or another. Something like Dunn/Dieng for Noel. The future starting PG for this wolves team is currently not on the roster IMO.
Such as who? Who were all these top guys that we couldn't get a meeting with? Only one I can think of is Aldridge and we made it clear that we wanted him at the 5 and if not, let's not waste time. Please list.
Key point. Whereas I believe that in a few years, KP + a few high picks + the Melo return would have had us either in the convo with FAs or in a position to make a trade for someone.
Give KP a lead guard (say a Wall, who I think is dying to leave), plus say Noel when he becomes a free agent and 3&Ds at the wing slots (trying to be realistic) and you have a title competitive team I think.
Jennings I believe said he got no other offers. Not sure that anyone was offering Noah materially more. Lee is a depth starter.
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free agents has proven to be a dicey approach. So far Phil and all of his rings hasn't even been able to get meetings with the top tier guys, let alone sign them.
Such as who? Who were all these top guys that we couldn't get a meeting with? Only one I can think of is Aldridge and we made it clear that we wanted him at the 5 and if not, let's not waste time. Please list.
LMA, Horford, Durant. Durant was taking meetings IN NEW YORK and Phil couldn't even get in to see him. And then you had Mills trying to spin it after the fact. It's pathetic. Of the top guys who've been free agents, have any of them even considered the Knicks? Deandre is the only one I can think of where it was even mentioned that the Knicks were in the running. Even the lower tier guys like Monroe have spurned him.
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wiggins did nothing except for hitting a couple of open shots, his d was good on melo but nothing crazy..
lavine did nothing, he is all flair with no substance..
rubio looks shot, looks like he doesnt care..
dunn looks dreadful
i really hope thibs does not run towns into the ground
Dunn was suppose to NBA-ready, however having him sit behind Rubio has really slowed his progress down. I always felt Lavine would be a better PG than a SG, however he falls in love with the 3 point shot and forces it when he doesnt get attempts.
If they continue to lose, they have to trade Rubio. Well they should trade him anyways. However the protoypical PG that rubio is dying in the NBA. He cant shoot and doesnt have the speed to get to the basket or the foul line. I dont see where he fits on an NBA roster. I felt Philly was a good spot, but when Simmonds returns, he is going to be ball dominate. The Twolves were suppose to turn the corner and at this point, they have actually regressed.
I personally thought Dunn was very raw for a junior in college. He has upside but I think he fits better as a good bench guard. But so does Rubio.
I kind of disagree with them having to choose between Wiggins and Lavine. I don't think Wiggins is suited as a ball dominant player. He's still a poor dribbler and looks to jack up step backs/fadeways instead of playing within an offense. I think he can be very, very good if he stays off the ball.
Despite all of Lavines 3 point jacking he's still shooting 37% on 6.5 3s a game. Nothing impressive but there are games he can win you when he's hot. He's very streaky but he's about a pure shooter as you'll see in basketball.
Wolves will need to make a trade one way or another. Something like Dunn/Dieng for Noel. The future starting PG for this wolves team is currently not on the roster IMO.
At this rate they may be in the mix for a draft heavy PG. Ball, Fox, Fultz, and Smith are all top 10 already.
noah there were rumors of other teams but i dont know how true they were, noah never really mentioned other teams
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free agents has proven to be a dicey approach. So far Phil and all of his rings hasn't even been able to get meetings with the top tier guys, let alone sign them.
Such as who? Who were all these top guys that we couldn't get a meeting with? Only one I can think of is Aldridge and we made it clear that we wanted him at the 5 and if not, let's not waste time. Please list.
LMA, Horford, Durant. Durant was taking meetings IN NEW YORK and Phil couldn't even get in to see him. And then you had Mills trying to spin it after the fact. It's pathetic. Of the top guys who've been free agents, have any of them even considered the Knicks? Deandre is the only one I can think of where it was even mentioned that the Knicks were in the running. Even the lower tier guys like Monroe have spurned him.
horford? who cares he is so overrated it is unbelievable..
durant if you remember was with melo for a lot of his time in new york before his meetings, i am glad the knicks did not waste their time of he had no interest...
monroe is a thank god the knicks did not sign him and phil offered him less than the max, he would have been an awful fit
noah there were rumors of other teams but i dont know how true they were, noah never really mentioned other teams
Only other team I really heard tied to Noah was Minnesota and that was because thibs was there. Would've made very little sense for them to give Noah anywhere near that much. They passed on Luol Deng as well.
who was offering Noah more money? As for Jennings, here's a direct quote:
A: Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York.
bahahahaha....
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jennings they gave 5 million to so they have some rights to try and resign him, they tried trading for him to get his bird righta but couldnt get it done..
noah there were rumors of other teams but i dont know how true they were, noah never really mentioned other teams
Only other team I really heard tied to Noah was Minnesota and that was because thibs was there. Would've made very little sense for them to give Noah anywhere near that much. They passed on Luol Deng as well.
yeah noah i do think the knicks over bid..
everyone makes him out to be a superstar, he is nowhere near auperstar status
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Whether you like the contracts or not and whether you would have gone in a different direction or not, he signed a few guys that were sought after elsewhere and were being offered more elsewhere. Noah, Jennings and Lee.
who was offering Noah more money? As for Jennings, here's a direct quote:
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Q: What other teams were interested in you?
A: Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York.
bahahahaha....
they gave him 5 million for a reason and is actually a smart reason