A very poor fit because it wouldn't have really helped the Knicks interior defense or rebounding issues. But if $18M a year for Noah is worth it then Horford should be getting paid $40M a year easy.
i dont think noah is worth 18 million...
enzo mentioned him in the same breathe as durant, and i just laugh at that
everyone makes him out to be a superstar, he is nowhere near auperstar status
Well im not sure who is calling Horford a superstar, I've never heard that. He's a very, very good player but he's not a center unless you have like Serge Ibaka or Anthony Davis playing PF.
so the only other team in the league that wanted him has Scott Layden prominently involved? That's just brilliant. And here you have a guy in Noah who by all accounts desperately wanted to come here - maybe you try and get him for less than 4 guaranteed years? Just a thought.
everyone makes him out to be a superstar, he is nowhere near auperstar status
Well im not sure who is calling Horford a superstar, I've never heard that. He's a very, very good player but he's not a center unless you have like Serge Ibaka or Anthony Davis playing PF.
enzo just mentioned him durants category as freee agents..
and everyone in media said signing horford put celtics over the top..
I thought Noah would fly under the radar and some team would scoop him up as a backup Big on a good deal, like 4 years $40M. Never would I have guessed he would've got what he did. $70M!!!
A very poor fit because it wouldn't have really helped the Knicks interior defense or rebounding issues. But if $18M a year for Noah is worth it then Horford should be getting paid $40M a year easy.
i dont think noah is worth 18 million...
enzo mentioned him in the same breathe as durant, and i just laugh at that
if you think my point was to say Horford is as good as Durant you're lost. Regardless, I take Horford at the full max over what we gave Noah any day of the week. And that's not exactly going out on a limb. Most people with a working brain would as well.
Whether you like the contracts or not and whether you would have gone in a different direction or not, he signed a few guys that were sought after elsewhere and were being offered more elsewhere. Noah, Jennings and Lee.
who was offering Noah more money? As for Jennings, here's a direct quote:
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Q: What other teams were interested in you?
A: Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York.
bahahahaha....
they gave him 5 million for a reason and is actually a smart reason
yes, it was a smart deal. For Jennings. Phil/Mills seem to love giving out deals where all of the upside is with the player.
Into the rhetoric that Boston was a contender just because of the Horford addition. If they got a stud rebounder/rim protector in the middle i think that fixes a lot of their problems. Talking about teams that should make a play for Noel..
A very poor fit because it wouldn't have really helped the Knicks interior defense or rebounding issues. But if $18M a year for Noah is worth it then Horford should be getting paid $40M a year easy.
i dont think noah is worth 18 million...
enzo mentioned him in the same breathe as durant, and i just laugh at that
if you think my point was to say Horford is as good as Durant you're lost. Regardless, I take Horford at the full max over what we gave Noah any day of the week. And that's not exactly going out on a limb. Most people with a working brain would as well.
I mean I agree with this. Certainly rather have Horford on his deal than Noah.
Would've much rather had Dwight howard at his current number than either of those 2 and I still retain that stance.
but I think he's certainly in a group of really good PFs. Say him, LMA, Blake. I did a career compare with those guys and Gasol & Bosh. Looking at Per 100 possession stats (ie normalized for pace), Horford is #1 in Ortg and Drtg. Behind them all in points (22.3 vs. 31-27 for the others) but better shooting %s. #2 BLKs, ST, TO. #3 REB and AST. And this is subjective, but I think he's at or near the top of that pack in both defense and doing the lunch pail things you need to do to win.
Can a guy like that be the best player on a title team? Absolutely not. But maybe the 2nd best and certainly if he is the 3rd best then you're the #1 or #2 title favorite.
he would be getting killed like noah is, he is getting max money and has missed 10 games and is averaging 15 and 6, that is worth max money?
Noah isnt getting killed because he's hurt (though it plays strongly into the condemnation of the contract). He's getting killed because he's averaging 22 minutes and 4 points. Dreadful.
he would be getting killed like noah is, he is getting max money and has missed 10 games and is averaging 15 and 6, that is worth max money?
Horford missed 9 of those games because of a concussion and the other one because of his wife delivering a kid. If you're gonna use that to compare To Noah's fragile limbs, something that has troubled him for years past you're fighting a losing argument. He played 82 games last year 76 the year before. If you're gonna contend he has recurring concussion issues that was known before coming in then I don't know what to say.
Also conveniently leaving off he has 5 assists per game this year which is incredible and not a fluke given his passing ability over the years. Also shootin 38% from 3.
he would be getting killed like noah is, he is getting max money and has missed 10 games and is averaging 15 and 6, that is worth max money?
Horford missed 9 of those games because of a concussion and the other one because of his wife delivering a kid. If you're gonna use that to compare To Noah's fragile limbs, something that has troubled him for years past you're fighting a losing argument. He played 82 games last year 76 the year before. If you're gonna contend he has recurring concussion issues that was known before coming in then I don't know what to say.
Also conveniently leaving off he has 5 assists per game this year which is incredible and not a fluke given his passing ability over the years. Also shootin 38% from 3.
but for a player making max money that is what you want? again if he was in new york you dont think he would be getting killed?
Is some fortune changing superstar but he's certainly an all star and he may be having his best season to date. I think he's been giving Boston everything they paid him for. Sure, they don't pay him $30M to get elbowed in the head and miss games because of a concussion. He should tough it out at all costs...
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he would be getting killed like noah is, he is getting max money and has missed 10 games and is averaging 15 and 6, that is worth max money?
Noah isnt getting killed because he's hurt (though it plays strongly into the condemnation of the contract). He's getting killed because he's averaging 22 minutes and 4 points. Dreadful.
i am not comparing the 2 for reasons they are getting killed..
noah is getting killed because he has not fit in on offense and looks a step slow on defense...
horford would get killed for averaging the numbers he is and making max money
Is some fortune changing superstar but he's certainly an all star and he may be having his best season to date. I think he's been giving Boston everything they paid him for. Sure, they don't pay him $30M to get elbowed in the head and miss games because of a concussion. He should tough it out at all costs...
thats not what i said, do not spin my words..
you dont pay him 30 million to average 14 points and only grab 6 rebounds , the assists are great but you are paying him to be your 2nd superstar and he is not that..
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he would be getting killed like noah is, he is getting max money and has missed 10 games and is averaging 15 and 6, that is worth max money?
Horford missed 9 of those games because of a concussion and the other one because of his wife delivering a kid. If you're gonna use that to compare To Noah's fragile limbs, something that has troubled him for years past you're fighting a losing argument. He played 82 games last year 76 the year before. If you're gonna contend he has recurring concussion issues that was known before coming in then I don't know what to say.
Also conveniently leaving off he has 5 assists per game this year which is incredible and not a fluke given his passing ability over the years. Also shootin 38% from 3.
but for a player making max money that is what you want? again if he was in new york you dont think he would be getting killed?
If he was averaging the same stats? 100% no. I think they'd have rebounding issues and paint protection issues (which they have both of right now) but you don't sign Horford to dominate the defensive interior.
Him gettin the max was the cost of doing business. If Mozgov and Noah are making 60% of what Horford is making then Horford is worth every penny and then some.
Is some fortune changing superstar but he's certainly an all star and he may be having his best season to date. I think he's been giving Boston everything they paid him for. Sure, they don't pay him $30M to get elbowed in the head and miss games because of a concussion. He should tough it out at all costs...
thats not what i said, do not spin my words..
you dont pay him 30 million to average 14 points and only grab 6 rebounds , the assists are great but you are paying him to be your 2nd superstar and he is not that..
I'm not spinning your words. You're killing him for missing 10 games like Noah. Why is Horford missing games? Because of a concussion. Does he have historic concussion problems? No. Was it a freak accident that happens to players every few weeks? Yes.
Why is Noah missing games? Random fucking ankle/shoulder/whatever dings. Has that been an issue for him in the past? Most definetly.
Horford isn't worth the max in the usual sense but how else would've Boston made any improvements? If they didn't give him $30M Atlanta would've retained him for $5-7M less a year (what they have D12 pretty much). But given the Mike Conley got the highest paid contract in league history Horfords contract isn't that ludicrous.
It was the cost of doing business to get an all star player for Boston. What else should they have done after whiffing on KD?
he has games where he is flat out awful. And games where he tunes it up and plays like the Noah of the past. Last night, KAT goes for 47/19. That would not have happened if Noah played.
my whole point was phil got ripped for not pursuing him Â
2.5 blocks a game, and is a very efficient, low usage player. 14 points on .600 TS%. Orating 122 D Rating 106. Great passer, checks all the boxes on advanced and box score metrics. Noah is not even in Hortfords stratosphere as a player at this stage in his career.
he has games where he is flat out awful. And games where he tunes it up and plays like the Noah of the past. Last night, KAT goes for 47/19. That would not have happened if Noah played.
Noah spent Monday night getting pushed around by Adams and Kanter...and somehow managed to collect ZERO defensive rebounds in 26 mins. So yeah, it could have happened and probably would have happened.
2.5 blocks a game, and is a very efficient, low usage player. 14 points on .600 TS%. Orating 122 D Rating 106. Great passer, checks all the boxes on advanced and box score metrics. Noah is not even in Hortfords stratosphere as a player at this stage in his career.
but we got the guy who can make nifty passes from the pinch post!
he has games where he is flat out awful. And games where he tunes it up and plays like the Noah of the past. Last night, KAT goes for 47/19. That would not have happened if Noah played.
Noah spent Monday night getting pushed around by Adams and Kanter...and somehow managed to collect ZERO defensive rebounds in 26 mins. So yeah, it could have happened and probably would have happened.
You're treating every game as if they are the same. He stunk against the Thunder but had some of his best games against Drummond (premier big), Bulls (former team), Raptors (top team in the east).
I know its a poor way to judge a player, but Ive seen it for years with Rose and Noah. They tend to pick it up in games they want. Going against KAT and Thibs would have brought out a pretty good Noah, IMO.
2.5 blocks a game, and is a very efficient, low usage player. 14 points on .600 TS%. Orating 122 D Rating 106. Great passer, checks all the boxes on advanced and box score metrics. Noah is not even in Hortfords stratosphere as a player at this stage in his career.
but we got the guy who can make nifty passes from the pinch post!
so you would be happy with horford making 30 million on the knicks?
I obviously wouldn't be happy. But I don't see how my expectations for KP has anything to do with what Boston had to do in order to upgrade their roster given the current salary cap circumstances.
I'm with you that Horford is not a superstar but did you expect Horford to make significant strides in his game at age 30 to play on par with his contract ? I don't think Boston is delusional in their expectations for him. It's exactly what the Knicks did with Courtney Lee. Lee is the most average SG in the NBA and for $15M a year. I don't think the Knicks were expecting him to become Dwayne Wade. They are getting exactly what any logical person would expect out of Lee. Same with Boston and Horford.
KP ended up as Hortford but Hortford has had an EXTREMELY good NBA career and is still having one. Having said that, the # of players who will end up better then Hortford is extremely low, so I would not be surprised if KP did not have a better career then Hortford.
Is some fortune changing superstar but he's certainly an all star and he may be having his best season to date. I think he's been giving Boston everything they paid him for. Sure, they don't pay him $30M to get elbowed in the head and miss games because of a concussion. He should tough it out at all costs...
thats not what i said, do not spin my words..
you dont pay him 30 million to average 14 points and only grab 6 rebounds , the assists are great but you are paying him to be your 2nd superstar and he is not that..
I'm not spinning your words. You're killing him for missing 10 games like Noah. Why is Horford missing games? Because of a concussion. Does he have historic concussion problems? No. Was it a freak accident that happens to players every few weeks? Yes.
Why is Noah missing games? Random fucking ankle/shoulder/whatever dings. Has that been an issue for him in the past? Most definetly.
Horford isn't worth the max in the usual sense but how else would've Boston made any improvements? If they didn't give him $30M Atlanta would've retained him for $5-7M less a year (what they have D12 pretty much). But given the Mike Conley got the highest paid contract in league history Horfords contract isn't that ludicrous.
It was the cost of doing business to get an all star player for Boston. What else should they have done after whiffing on KD?
Noah has missed 3 games out of 18. Horford has missed half the season so far. Keep in mind that these dings so far this season (ankle, illness) have nothing to do with prior injuries.
Noah's defense hasn't been great, and his offense was never going to be a strength. But he's an excellent passer and rebounder, and the team is better with him on the court versus off the court. He will almost definitely improve his rim protection, and as I've said many a time - if Mozgov and Mahinmi are getting 16M/yr, then I RUN to give Noah 18M/yr.
that is the reason i wanted nothing to do with horford, i knew giving him 30 million was an overpay and boston overreacted after losing out on durant...
ainge is turning into the next morey, chasing the next superstar
but he is a complimentary piece, he is not a superstar player, he is not a second option, he is a 3rd or 4th..
if kp became al horford for his career, woukd you be happy?
Why is KP being brought into this?
My point is Horfords production/Horfords contract >>> Noah's production/Noah's contract.
my point was he is not a superstar, so my question was if kp turns into horford would you be happy?
and i am not going to compare noah with horford, because i did nkt want either one for the contracts they got
KP's ceiling has nothing to do with Horford's abilities. WTF? Would you be happy is KP grew his hair back into braids? Because that question is about as relevant as what you're throwing out there.
You're ok with paying Rose 27 Mill a year but you think Hortford at 30 is a problem? Hortford is a SIGNIFICANTLY better NBA player then Rose right now. Yes, I'd be 100% ok with paying Al 30 mil a year in this NBA.
2.5 blocks a game, and is a very efficient, low usage player. 14 points on .600 TS%. Orating 122 D Rating 106. Great passer, checks all the boxes on advanced and box score metrics. Noah is not even in Hortfords stratosphere as a player at this stage in his career.
but we got the guy who can make nifty passes from the pinch post!
so you would be happy with horford making 30 million on the knicks?
Yes. Horford at 4/113 is a safer bet and a smarter signing going forward than Noah at 4/72.
i dont think noah is worth 18 million...
enzo mentioned him in the same breathe as durant, and i just laugh at that
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Overrated??
everyone makes him out to be a superstar, he is nowhere near auperstar status
Well im not sure who is calling Horford a superstar, I've never heard that. He's a very, very good player but he's not a center unless you have like Serge Ibaka or Anthony Davis playing PF.
Because Minny wasn't willing to offer anything close to $70M...
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but he made it clear he wanted to come to NY.
Because Minny wasn't willing to offer anything close to $70M...
or 4 years. Or even a starting spot. With KAT an da committment to Dieng, they had no room for Noah other than to be a bench big.
so the only other team in the league that wanted him has Scott Layden prominently involved? That's just brilliant. And here you have a guy in Noah who by all accounts desperately wanted to come here - maybe you try and get him for less than 4 guaranteed years? Just a thought.
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Overrated??
everyone makes him out to be a superstar, he is nowhere near auperstar status
Well im not sure who is calling Horford a superstar, I've never heard that. He's a very, very good player but he's not a center unless you have like Serge Ibaka or Anthony Davis playing PF.
enzo just mentioned him durants category as freee agents..
and everyone in media said signing horford put celtics over the top..
$70 fucking million dollars!
Holy shit.
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A very poor fit because it wouldn't have really helped the Knicks interior defense or rebounding issues. But if $18M a year for Noah is worth it then Horford should be getting paid $40M a year easy.
i dont think noah is worth 18 million...
enzo mentioned him in the same breathe as durant, and i just laugh at that
if you think my point was to say Horford is as good as Durant you're lost. Regardless, I take Horford at the full max over what we gave Noah any day of the week. And that's not exactly going out on a limb. Most people with a working brain would as well.
and everyone in media said signing horford put celtics over the top..
Hence why I dont listen to the media. He would have been better off going to OKC.
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Whether you like the contracts or not and whether you would have gone in a different direction or not, he signed a few guys that were sought after elsewhere and were being offered more elsewhere. Noah, Jennings and Lee.
who was offering Noah more money? As for Jennings, here's a direct quote:
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Q: What other teams were interested in you?
A: Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York.
bahahahaha....
they gave him 5 million for a reason and is actually a smart reason
yes, it was a smart deal. For Jennings. Phil/Mills seem to love giving out deals where all of the upside is with the player.
if they gave him the minimum they had no chance..
and as for horford you just said that phil could not get meetings with superstars and then mentioned horford..
so you would rather have horford than lee and noah?
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A very poor fit because it wouldn't have really helped the Knicks interior defense or rebounding issues. But if $18M a year for Noah is worth it then Horford should be getting paid $40M a year easy.
i dont think noah is worth 18 million...
enzo mentioned him in the same breathe as durant, and i just laugh at that
if you think my point was to say Horford is as good as Durant you're lost. Regardless, I take Horford at the full max over what we gave Noah any day of the week. And that's not exactly going out on a limb. Most people with a working brain would as well.
I mean I agree with this. Certainly rather have Horford on his deal than Noah.
Would've much rather had Dwight howard at his current number than either of those 2 and I still retain that stance.
if they gave him the minimum they had no chance..
and as for horford you just said that phil could not get meetings with superstars and then mentioned horford..
so you would rather have horford than lee and noah?
Yes. Especially seeing how serviceable Justin Holiday is now. But that's hindsight. But still yes without even knowing that.
Can a guy like that be the best player on a title team? Absolutely not. But maybe the 2nd best and certainly if he is the 3rd best then you're the #1 or #2 title favorite.
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because now if they want to keep jennings they have a competitive offer they can give him..
if they gave him the minimum they had no chance..
and as for horford you just said that phil could not get meetings with superstars and then mentioned horford..
so you would rather have horford than lee and noah?
Yes. Especially seeing how serviceable Justin Holiday is now. But that's hindsight. But still yes without even knowing that.
so you would take horford only playing 8 games and averaging 14 and 6 on a max deal?
Noah isnt getting killed because he's hurt (though it plays strongly into the condemnation of the contract). He's getting killed because he's averaging 22 minutes and 4 points. Dreadful.
Horford missed 9 of those games because of a concussion and the other one because of his wife delivering a kid. If you're gonna use that to compare To Noah's fragile limbs, something that has troubled him for years past you're fighting a losing argument. He played 82 games last year 76 the year before. If you're gonna contend he has recurring concussion issues that was known before coming in then I don't know what to say.
Also conveniently leaving off he has 5 assists per game this year which is incredible and not a fluke given his passing ability over the years. Also shootin 38% from 3.
if they gave him the minimum they had no chance..
what competitive offer? If Jennings has a good season, he's not coming back for the tiny raise they can give him off the $5 million.
learn to read. I said "top tier free agents". Of the guys who were unrestricted, Hoford was clearly near the top of the list last summer.
that's not the only choice the front office was presented with last summer.
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he would be getting killed like noah is, he is getting max money and has missed 10 games and is averaging 15 and 6, that is worth max money?
Horford missed 9 of those games because of a concussion and the other one because of his wife delivering a kid. If you're gonna use that to compare To Noah's fragile limbs, something that has troubled him for years past you're fighting a losing argument. He played 82 games last year 76 the year before. If you're gonna contend he has recurring concussion issues that was known before coming in then I don't know what to say.
Also conveniently leaving off he has 5 assists per game this year which is incredible and not a fluke given his passing ability over the years. Also shootin 38% from 3.
but for a player making max money that is what you want? again if he was in new york you dont think he would be getting killed?
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he would be getting killed like noah is, he is getting max money and has missed 10 games and is averaging 15 and 6, that is worth max money?
Noah isnt getting killed because he's hurt (though it plays strongly into the condemnation of the contract). He's getting killed because he's averaging 22 minutes and 4 points. Dreadful.
i am not comparing the 2 for reasons they are getting killed..
noah is getting killed because he has not fit in on offense and looks a step slow on defense...
horford would get killed for averaging the numbers he is and making max money
thats not what i said, do not spin my words..
you dont pay him 30 million to average 14 points and only grab 6 rebounds , the assists are great but you are paying him to be your 2nd superstar and he is not that..
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he would be getting killed like noah is, he is getting max money and has missed 10 games and is averaging 15 and 6, that is worth max money?
Horford missed 9 of those games because of a concussion and the other one because of his wife delivering a kid. If you're gonna use that to compare To Noah's fragile limbs, something that has troubled him for years past you're fighting a losing argument. He played 82 games last year 76 the year before. If you're gonna contend he has recurring concussion issues that was known before coming in then I don't know what to say.
Also conveniently leaving off he has 5 assists per game this year which is incredible and not a fluke given his passing ability over the years. Also shootin 38% from 3.
but for a player making max money that is what you want? again if he was in new york you dont think he would be getting killed?
If he was averaging the same stats? 100% no. I think they'd have rebounding issues and paint protection issues (which they have both of right now) but you don't sign Horford to dominate the defensive interior.
Him gettin the max was the cost of doing business. If Mozgov and Noah are making 60% of what Horford is making then Horford is worth every penny and then some.
if kp became al horford for his career, woukd you be happy?
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Is some fortune changing superstar but he's certainly an all star and he may be having his best season to date. I think he's been giving Boston everything they paid him for. Sure, they don't pay him $30M to get elbowed in the head and miss games because of a concussion. He should tough it out at all costs...
thats not what i said, do not spin my words..
you dont pay him 30 million to average 14 points and only grab 6 rebounds , the assists are great but you are paying him to be your 2nd superstar and he is not that..
I'm not spinning your words. You're killing him for missing 10 games like Noah. Why is Horford missing games? Because of a concussion. Does he have historic concussion problems? No. Was it a freak accident that happens to players every few weeks? Yes.
Why is Noah missing games? Random fucking ankle/shoulder/whatever dings. Has that been an issue for him in the past? Most definetly.
Horford isn't worth the max in the usual sense but how else would've Boston made any improvements? If they didn't give him $30M Atlanta would've retained him for $5-7M less a year (what they have D12 pretty much). But given the Mike Conley got the highest paid contract in league history Horfords contract isn't that ludicrous.
It was the cost of doing business to get an all star player for Boston. What else should they have done after whiffing on KD?
if kp became al horford for his career, woukd you be happy?
Why is KP being brought into this?
My point is Horfords production/Horfords contract >>> Noah's production/Noah's contract.
do i like the noah contract? absolutely not and i would of hated the horford contract as well..
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but he is a complimentary piece, he is not a superstar player, he is not a second option, he is a 3rd or 4th..
if kp became al horford for his career, woukd you be happy?
Why is KP being brought into this?
My point is Horfords production/Horfords contract >>> Noah's production/Noah's contract.
my point was he is not a superstar, so my question was if kp turns into horford would you be happy?
and i am not going to compare noah with horford, because i did nkt want either one for the contracts they got
Noah spent Monday night getting pushed around by Adams and Kanter...and somehow managed to collect ZERO defensive rebounds in 26 mins. So yeah, it could have happened and probably would have happened.
but we got the guy who can make nifty passes from the pinch post!
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he has games where he is flat out awful. And games where he tunes it up and plays like the Noah of the past. Last night, KAT goes for 47/19. That would not have happened if Noah played.
Noah spent Monday night getting pushed around by Adams and Kanter...and somehow managed to collect ZERO defensive rebounds in 26 mins. So yeah, it could have happened and probably would have happened.
You're treating every game as if they are the same. He stunk against the Thunder but had some of his best games against Drummond (premier big), Bulls (former team), Raptors (top team in the east).
I know its a poor way to judge a player, but Ive seen it for years with Rose and Noah. They tend to pick it up in games they want. Going against KAT and Thibs would have brought out a pretty good Noah, IMO.
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2.5 blocks a game, and is a very efficient, low usage player. 14 points on .600 TS%. Orating 122 D Rating 106. Great passer, checks all the boxes on advanced and box score metrics. Noah is not even in Hortfords stratosphere as a player at this stage in his career.
but we got the guy who can make nifty passes from the pinch post!
so you would be happy with horford making 30 million on the knicks?
I'm with you that Horford is not a superstar but did you expect Horford to make significant strides in his game at age 30 to play on par with his contract ? I don't think Boston is delusional in their expectations for him. It's exactly what the Knicks did with Courtney Lee. Lee is the most average SG in the NBA and for $15M a year. I don't think the Knicks were expecting him to become Dwayne Wade. They are getting exactly what any logical person would expect out of Lee. Same with Boston and Horford.
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Is some fortune changing superstar but he's certainly an all star and he may be having his best season to date. I think he's been giving Boston everything they paid him for. Sure, they don't pay him $30M to get elbowed in the head and miss games because of a concussion. He should tough it out at all costs...
thats not what i said, do not spin my words..
you dont pay him 30 million to average 14 points and only grab 6 rebounds , the assists are great but you are paying him to be your 2nd superstar and he is not that..
I'm not spinning your words. You're killing him for missing 10 games like Noah. Why is Horford missing games? Because of a concussion. Does he have historic concussion problems? No. Was it a freak accident that happens to players every few weeks? Yes.
Why is Noah missing games? Random fucking ankle/shoulder/whatever dings. Has that been an issue for him in the past? Most definetly.
Horford isn't worth the max in the usual sense but how else would've Boston made any improvements? If they didn't give him $30M Atlanta would've retained him for $5-7M less a year (what they have D12 pretty much). But given the Mike Conley got the highest paid contract in league history Horfords contract isn't that ludicrous.
It was the cost of doing business to get an all star player for Boston. What else should they have done after whiffing on KD?
Noah has missed 3 games out of 18. Horford has missed half the season so far. Keep in mind that these dings so far this season (ankle, illness) have nothing to do with prior injuries.
Noah's defense hasn't been great, and his offense was never going to be a strength. But he's an excellent passer and rebounder, and the team is better with him on the court versus off the court. He will almost definitely improve his rim protection, and as I've said many a time - if Mozgov and Mahinmi are getting 16M/yr, then I RUN to give Noah 18M/yr.
ainge is turning into the next morey, chasing the next superstar
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but he is a complimentary piece, he is not a superstar player, he is not a second option, he is a 3rd or 4th..
if kp became al horford for his career, woukd you be happy?
Why is KP being brought into this?
My point is Horfords production/Horfords contract >>> Noah's production/Noah's contract.
my point was he is not a superstar, so my question was if kp turns into horford would you be happy?
and i am not going to compare noah with horford, because i did nkt want either one for the contracts they got
KP's ceiling has nothing to do with Horford's abilities. WTF? Would you be happy is KP grew his hair back into braids? Because that question is about as relevant as what you're throwing out there.
The Knicks did win...
I hope that's a pleasant surprise?
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2.5 blocks a game, and is a very efficient, low usage player. 14 points on .600 TS%. Orating 122 D Rating 106. Great passer, checks all the boxes on advanced and box score metrics. Noah is not even in Hortfords stratosphere as a player at this stage in his career.
but we got the guy who can make nifty passes from the pinch post!
so you would be happy with horford making 30 million on the knicks?
Yes. Horford at 4/113 is a safer bet and a smarter signing going forward than Noah at 4/72.