and are wasting him on the bench. Plus he will be 23, so its not like he is young and needs time. They could have drafted Murray who has been picking it up. They could have taken Chriss who has flashed. Hell, they could have taken Maker (who I am not huge on, but the upside is there). You dont draft a PG and sit him behind the worst offensive PG in the NBA.
This team should be at least .500 fighting for a playoff spot.
and are wasting him on the bench. Plus he will be 23, so its not like he is young and needs time. They could have drafted Murray who has been picking it up. They could have taken Chriss who has flashed. Hell, they could have taken Maker (who I am not huge on, but the upside is there). You dont draft a PG and sit him behind the worst offensive PG in the NBA.
This team should be at least .500 fighting for a playoff spot.
Dunn has been even worse than Rubio. It's probably right to invest in him for the long term but that might have even made their start worse than it is.
RE: RE: RE: and they should be much better defensively
Well, I guess it's the difference in expectations. I can see the room for them to be much better but that doesn't make it fair to expect it. They basically added a top pick, who has struggled mightily. The rest is based on Thibs and another year under their belt? Ok, I can see how they can be expected to be better, but how much? 7-11 instead of 5-13? It's a stretch to say that they should definitely compete for a playoff spot. That's a lot of onus on some really guys who have so far flashed highlights and piled up stats in losses. They have no veteran leadership. That bench is pretty bad, too.
The bench part can't be stressed enough. Especially if you consider that Rubio and Dieng as plus bench guys and not starters on a good team.
Ny16 that brings back to my point, when have 20 year olds been impact defenders regardless of athleticism? Deandre Jordan is as about of a good of an athlete as they come in the NBA and it took him a good 6 years before becoming one of the premier defensive anchors in the league. He was fairly below average for the first 3-4 years as well. Kawhi was a stiff coming into the league and needed to be seasoned for a good 4 years before realizing his defensive potential. Anthony Davis was just a damn good shot blocker for the first few years. Same with ibaka. Ibaka wasn't very good at actual help defense until the last few years. I could go on and on. You see young guys make all star teams but how many actually make all defensive teams in the NBA.
Defense in the NBA is simply really, really hard.
i am not saying they should be lock down defenders but with their athleticism and thibs expertise on that end i thiught they would be much better...
i thought lavine and wiggins could be a terror together on defense with towns shot blocking
How bad has this draft class been. Even counting Simmons being hurt. Embiid and Saric have been the two best "rookies".
Ingram, bender, hield and dunn have been horrendous. Brownand sabonis have been OK. Murray honestly looks like the second best player from the draft (not counting Ingram out, he's gonna be fine, but boy it was crime to even compare him to KD 3 months ago let alone today). Chriss hasn't been all that good but considering how raw he was he's looking alright compared to his peers.
The Maker pick doesn't look like a bad risk at all now.
lavine looks lazy on defense and only wants to score on offense...
they really cpuld of used one more year with kg at least on the bench beong a leader like sheed was here
Hmm yeah I can understand the Wiggins criticism, but he's still only 21, he's gonna have some sort of useful role in the league. Lavine was a horrible defender coming in so it might take him a bit longer than Wiggins or towns to become competent on that end. But overall I like his potential more than that of Wiggins.
and are wasting him on the bench. Plus he will be 23, so its not like he is young and needs time. They could have drafted Murray who has been picking it up. They could have taken Chriss who has flashed. Hell, they could have taken Maker (who I am not huge on, but the upside is there). You dont draft a PG and sit him behind the worst offensive PG in the NBA.
This team should be at least .500 fighting for a playoff spot.
Dunn has been even worse than Rubio. It's probably right to invest in him for the long term but that might have even made their start worse than it is.
He still needs to play more. But he also plays for Thibs who doesnt really play rookies.
This team should be at least .500 fighting for a playoff spot.
This team should be at least .500 fighting for a playoff spot.
Dunn has been even worse than Rubio. It's probably right to invest in him for the long term but that might have even made their start worse than it is.
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with all the athleticism on their team
Well, I guess it's the difference in expectations. I can see the room for them to be much better but that doesn't make it fair to expect it. They basically added a top pick, who has struggled mightily. The rest is based on Thibs and another year under their belt? Ok, I can see how they can be expected to be better, but how much? 7-11 instead of 5-13? It's a stretch to say that they should definitely compete for a playoff spot. That's a lot of onus on some really guys who have so far flashed highlights and piled up stats in losses. They have no veteran leadership. That bench is pretty bad, too.
The bench part can't be stressed enough. Especially if you consider that Rubio and Dieng as plus bench guys and not starters on a good team.
Ny16 that brings back to my point, when have 20 year olds been impact defenders regardless of athleticism? Deandre Jordan is as about of a good of an athlete as they come in the NBA and it took him a good 6 years before becoming one of the premier defensive anchors in the league. He was fairly below average for the first 3-4 years as well. Kawhi was a stiff coming into the league and needed to be seasoned for a good 4 years before realizing his defensive potential. Anthony Davis was just a damn good shot blocker for the first few years. Same with ibaka. Ibaka wasn't very good at actual help defense until the last few years. I could go on and on. You see young guys make all star teams but how many actually make all defensive teams in the NBA.
Defense in the NBA is simply really, really hard.
i am not saying they should be lock down defenders but with their athleticism and thibs expertise on that end i thiught they would be much better...
i thought lavine and wiggins could be a terror together on defense with towns shot blocking
lavine looks lazy on defense and only wants to score on offense...
they really cpuld of used one more year with kg at least on the bench beong a leader like sheed was here
Ingram, bender, hield and dunn have been horrendous. Brownand sabonis have been OK. Murray honestly looks like the second best player from the draft (not counting Ingram out, he's gonna be fine, but boy it was crime to even compare him to KD 3 months ago let alone today). Chriss hasn't been all that good but considering how raw he was he's looking alright compared to his peers.
The Maker pick doesn't look like a bad risk at all now.
lavine looks lazy on defense and only wants to score on offense...
they really cpuld of used one more year with kg at least on the bench beong a leader like sheed was here
Hmm yeah I can understand the Wiggins criticism, but he's still only 21, he's gonna have some sort of useful role in the league. Lavine was a horrible defender coming in so it might take him a bit longer than Wiggins or towns to become competent on that end. But overall I like his potential more than that of Wiggins.
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and are wasting him on the bench. Plus he will be 23, so its not like he is young and needs time. They could have drafted Murray who has been picking it up. They could have taken Chriss who has flashed. Hell, they could have taken Maker (who I am not huge on, but the upside is there). You dont draft a PG and sit him behind the worst offensive PG in the NBA.
This team should be at least .500 fighting for a playoff spot.
Dunn has been even worse than Rubio. It's probably right to invest in him for the long term but that might have even made their start worse than it is.
He still needs to play more. But he also plays for Thibs who doesnt really play rookies.