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Julius Peppers vs. Michael Strahan

Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/1/2016 11:26 am
Peppers recently tied Stray in career regular season sacks with 141.5 (Stray still has a 4 sack edge including the playoffs).

Tied for Most Sacks of any player during the past 25 years

How would you Giants fans compare the two?
My take  
dep026 : 12/1/2016 11:30 am : link
JP at his peak could dominate a game more than Strahan.
However, strahans ability to play the run plus consistently getting to the QB makes him probably the better DE.

Peppers has been excellent too, but IMO Strahan was more dominant  
jcn56 : 12/1/2016 11:31 am : link
in his later years than Peppers was, and Peppers was never as good against the run (something Strahan excelled at in addition to pass rush).
RE: My take  
giants#1 : 12/1/2016 11:44 am : link
In comment 13242606 dep026 said:
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JP at his peak could dominate a game more than Strahan.
However, strahans ability to play the run plus consistently getting to the QB makes him probably the better DE.


I see it the other way around. I don't think Peppers ever had a 3 year stretch comparable to Strahan's 2001-2003 run.
Peppers is a great player and a HOF'er  
sjnyfan : 12/1/2016 11:45 am : link
but I'll still take Strahan of course. Yes he tied him in sacks but he's played more games (229 vs 216). More importantly it's such a different league now. When Strahan came in way back in '93 it was a still a run first league. Strahan didn't have double digit sacks until his fifth season. If that happened today to a second round pick at DE he would be labeled a bust. Even by the time he retired it was more balanced. Today it is without question pass first. Peppers has 5.5 sacks with a total of 12 tackles this season. If you matched Strahan with Peppers entering the league I think he'd be way ahead by now.
RE: Peppers is a great player and a HOF'er  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/1/2016 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13242650 sjnyfan said:
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but I'll still take Strahan of course. Yes he tied him in sacks but he's played more games (229 vs 216). More importantly it's such a different league now. When Strahan came in way back in '93 it was a still a run first league. Strahan didn't have double digit sacks until his fifth season. If that happened today to a second round pick at DE he would be labeled a bust. Even by the time he retired it was more balanced. Today it is without question pass first. Peppers has 5.5 sacks with a total of 12 tackles this season. If you matched Strahan with Peppers entering the league I think he'd be way ahead by now.


It might be a pass-first league, but the passes are quicker in today's game. A lot less 7 step drops and chucking it down the field. Less time to sack the QB on most pass plays.
Both Great Players With HOF Careers  
Trainmaster : 12/1/2016 12:10 pm : link
As others have stated, Strahan's ability to dominate in the run game (Peppers is no slouch) separates Strahan from many other DEs (and the POS DT Sapp).
I'm definitely taking Strahan  
UConn4523 : 12/1/2016 12:10 pm : link
its close to an extent, but his skill set doesn't grow on trees (playing the run almost or as well as the pass). Strahan also had the personality/charisma/leadership to excel in NY and was the driving force behind SB XLII.

Peppers will own the "freak" label, but i'm starting to care less and less about pure athletic ability more and more as the years go by.

Strahan has 150 tackles or so in 13 less games which is almost 3 seasons worth of production. Speaks volumes to his versatility.
Strahan  
mdthedream : 12/1/2016 12:13 pm : link
total tackles are a lot more 851 combine tackles to 649 for Peppers. Strahan was a force against the run.
Strahan overall  
njm : 12/1/2016 12:17 pm : link
As a pure speed rusher it's hard to top Peppers. But overall rush ability and defensing the run gives Strahan the edge IMHO.
RE: Strahan  
mfsd : 12/1/2016 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13242712 mdthedream said:
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total tackles are a lot more 851 combine tackles to 649 for Peppers. Strahan was a force against the run.


Bingo. No knock on Peppers, a sure thing for the HOF, but Strahan was better
It's weird to me how freakishly athletic Peppers was  
Patrick77 : 12/1/2016 12:22 pm : link
And how big he was to me he never ever dominated like prime Strahan. The tools Peppers had to work with were incredible.
RE: RE: Peppers is a great player and a HOF'er  
UConn4523 : 12/1/2016 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13242702 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 13242650 sjnyfan said:


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but I'll still take Strahan of course. Yes he tied him in sacks but he's played more games (229 vs 216). More importantly it's such a different league now. When Strahan came in way back in '93 it was a still a run first league. Strahan didn't have double digit sacks until his fifth season. If that happened today to a second round pick at DE he would be labeled a bust. Even by the time he retired it was more balanced. Today it is without question pass first. Peppers has 5.5 sacks with a total of 12 tackles this season. If you matched Strahan with Peppers entering the league I think he'd be way ahead by now.



It might be a pass-first league, but the passes are quicker in today's game. A lot less 7 step drops and chucking it down the field. Less time to sack the QB on most pass plays.


There are still guys putting up monster numbers in sacks in today's game. Just taking a peak in 2002 the Eagles had 56 total sacks, Panthers had 52, and the Steelers at 50. Carolina had 60 in 2013 followed by Buffalo and LA with 57 and 53. 2015 seemed to be a bit down, but more or less the sack numbers don't look all that different over the past 15 years, not enough to point to running heavy or quick passing. The 2003 high was 47 for Baltimore, for example, a year after the high was 56.

A guy who's great at rushing the passer and/or is in a good scheme is going to get sacks.
RE: My take  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/1/2016 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13242606 dep026 said:
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JP at his peak could dominate a game more than Strahan.
However, strahans ability to play the run plus consistently getting to the QB makes him probably the better DE.


Spot on.
other than Reggie White  
Enzo : 12/1/2016 12:29 pm : link
I think Strahan might be the best defensive end of the last 30 years.
I think Ware is a better comparison for Peppers  
UConn4523 : 12/1/2016 12:40 pm : link
same exact era, similar stats, both physical freaks.
RE: other than Reggie White  
NINEster : 12/1/2016 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13242744 Enzo said:
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I think Strahan might be the best defensive end of the last 30 years.


Going back to 1986?

Now you're tapping into some golden eras of defense.

Was Strahan better than Richard Dent?


Strahan  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/1/2016 12:55 pm : link
might have more tackles because he was a better hustle player and run defender than Peppers. But Peppers was a hell of a playmaker.

Peppers: 76 Passes Defended -- 46 Forced Fumbles -- 11 INTs -- 13 Blocked Kicks -- 6 Def. TDs
Strahan: 36 Passes Defended -- 22 Forced Fumbles -- 4 INTs -- 1 Blocked Kick -- 3 Def. TDs

Strahan has a 200ish tackle edge but Peppers has 24 more Forced Fumbles, 7 more INTs, 12 more Blocked Kicks, and 40 More Passes Defended.

Those 13 blocked kicks really stand out. Just a special playmaker.

small gap...tho i take stray...  
BronxBombers : 12/1/2016 1:07 pm : link
see what I did there?
Peppers was a freak of an athlete at DE  
est1986 : 12/1/2016 1:09 pm : link
But without bias I don't think its fair to put Peppers in the same class as Strahan. Maybe just maybe, he was equally good at rushing the passer but that's all. Strahan was a leader and a all around player.
I mentioned Peppers' edge  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/1/2016 1:36 pm : link
in terms of Big Plays in my previous post. But I thought it was worth pointing out that Strahan has an edge in Stuffs (Run Tackles for a Loss).

Strahan: 84 Stuffs + 141.5 Sacks
Peppers: 48 Stuffs + 141.5 Sacks

Peppers was a complete DE but Strahan made a lot more stops against the run.
RE: Strahan  
BillKo : 12/1/2016 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13242789 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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might have more tackles because he was a better hustle player and run defender than Peppers. But Peppers was a hell of a playmaker.

Peppers: 76 Passes Defended -- 46 Forced Fumbles -- 11 INTs -- 13 Blocked Kicks -- 6 Def. TDs
Strahan: 36 Passes Defended -- 22 Forced Fumbles -- 4 INTs -- 1 Blocked Kick -- 3 Def. TDs

Strahan has a 200ish tackle edge but Peppers has 24 more Forced Fumbles, 7 more INTs, 12 more Blocked Kicks, and 40 More Passes Defended.

Those 13 blocked kicks really stand out. Just a special playmaker.


Isn't some of this distorted because Peppers was playing some LB with GB?
he had 6 forced fumbles  
UConn4523 : 12/1/2016 1:48 pm : link
the best of his career, in his first year with GB. No idea the snap count as an OLBer, but its something to note. That's a ton of forced fumbles either way.
RE: he had 6 forced fumbles  
BillKo : 12/1/2016 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13242893 UConn4523 said:
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the best of his career, in his first year with GB. No idea the snap count as an OLBer, but its something to note. That's a ton of forced fumbles either way.


I think GB plays him mostly, at least when they first signed him, as OLB.

That would contribute heavily to more passes defended, and INTs.
Peppers  
djstat : 12/1/2016 3:55 pm : link
IMO is overrated. Do not feel like he has ever made a huge impact.
Peppers blocked 13 kicks??  
Jimmy Googs : 12/1/2016 4:33 pm : link
Not too shabby but give me Strahan all day long...
I dont think Im a homer here  
Deej : 12/1/2016 5:06 pm : link
but Strahan matching Pepper's sack total while doing it without the benefit of rushing off the QB's blind side puts MS a significant step ahead of Peppers IMO. It's just not comparable. So much easier to get sacks, and in particular FFs, from the blind side.
RE: Peppers blocked 13 kicks??  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/2/2016 12:19 am : link
In comment 13243158 Jimmy Googs said:
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Not too shabby but give me Strahan all day long...


Dude could power n jump like no one else. Always thought JPP was the closest thing to Peppers. Wayy more flexibility than Mario
Peppers is and has been  
KWALL2 : 12/2/2016 1:18 am : link
Underrated.

A nightmare to block vs run and pass. He wasn't a speed rush guy. He could beat a guy outside but also bull rush or rip inside.. He tossed around OL and controlled them. Excellent vs the run too. One of the best I've seen.

Better than Strahan? I don't know but close. He's a HOF player.
Osi  
KWALL2 : 12/2/2016 1:20 am : link
I see JPP and Peppers as the same type of player too.
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Banks : 12/2/2016 1:26 am : link
I personally thought Strahan was the better pass rusher and run defender. I think many non-Giant fans don't comprehend how special he was. Peppers is great too. The topic of sacks in the various eras have come up and I found it's pretty much been the same throughout the beginning of Strahan's career til the presumable end of Peppers
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probably should have just embedded it  
Banks : 12/2/2016 1:27 am : link
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