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spike : 12/1/2016 12:59 pm
"CANNON BALL, N.D. (Reuters) - More than 2,000 U.S. military veterans plan to form a human shield to protect protesters of a pipeline project near a Native American reservation in North Dakota, organizers said, just ahead of a federal deadline for activists to leave the camp they have been occupying.

It comes as North Dakota law enforcement backed away from a previous plan to cut off supplies to the camp – an idea quickly abandoned after an outcry and with law enforcement’s treatment of Dakota Access Pipeline protesters increasingly under the microscope.

The protesters have spent months rallying against plans to route the $3.8 billion Dakota Access Pipeline beneath a lake near the Standing Rock Sioux reservation, saying it poses a threat to water resources and sacred Native American sites."


I'm surprised the media isnt providing more coverage on this massive ND protest. What do you guys think?




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Ok Im seriously done here. lol  
ZGiants98 : 12/1/2016 2:58 pm : link
If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
RE: RE: Ugh... That was the link  
ZGiants98 : 12/1/2016 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13243024 BMac said:
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In comment 13243019 ZGiants98 said:


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buried in the comment I posted from somebody else that I was asked to clarify.



So, what heartless fucker arrested a beaver for holiday shopping?


lol.
RE: RE: Ugh... That was the link  
Cam in MO : 12/1/2016 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13243024 BMac said:
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In comment 13243019 ZGiants98 said:


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buried in the comment I posted from somebody else that I was asked to clarify.



So, what heartless fucker arrested a beaver for holiday shopping?


Probably needed a haircut. Nothing worse than being surprised by a hairy beaver.



RE: Ok Im seriously done here. lol  
Cam in MO : 12/1/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13243025 ZGiants98 said:
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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.



Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?

Seriously?


RE: RE: RE: Ugh... That was the link  
BMac : 12/1/2016 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13243029 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 13243024 BMac said:


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In comment 13243019 ZGiants98 said:


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buried in the comment I posted from somebody else that I was asked to clarify.



So, what heartless fucker arrested a beaver for holiday shopping?



Probably needed a haircut. Nothing worse than being surprised by a hairy beaver.




I've been more surprised buy a bald beaver, but then I'm older than dirt and have these preconceptions.
RE: RE: Ok Im seriously done here. lol  
Chris in Philly : 12/1/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13243031 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 13243025 ZGiants98 said:


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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.




Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?

Seriously?



I am pretty sure Bismarck looks like Aleppo these days...
RE: RE: Ok Im seriously done here. lol  
ZGiants98 : 12/1/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13243031 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 13243025 ZGiants98 said:


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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.




Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?

Seriously?



Yes and that was from my uncle. If you re-read what he ACTUALLY wrote where this started he said the capital building was vandalized, the bridge was damaged, and its estimated the protesters are destroying about a million dollars in property a week. I didn't mean to insinuate the capital building was burnt to the ground. I was clearly using hyperbole in the moment.
Why is an Indian Burial ground more sacred than other .....  
Crispino : 12/1/2016 3:08 pm : link
burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.
RE: RE: RE: Ok Im seriously done here. lol  
BMac : 12/1/2016 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13243040 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13243031 Cam in MO said:


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In comment 13243025 ZGiants98 said:


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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.




Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?

Seriously?





I am pretty sure Bismarck looks like Aleppo these days...


What's Aleppo?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ok Im seriously done here. lol  
ZGiants98 : 12/1/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13243051 BMac said:
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In comment 13243040 Chris in Philly said:


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In comment 13243031 Cam in MO said:


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In comment 13243025 ZGiants98 said:


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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.




Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?

Seriously?





I am pretty sure Bismarck looks like Aleppo these days...



What's Aleppo?


Syria?
RE: Why is an Indian Burial ground more sacred than other .....  
BMac : 12/1/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13243043 Crispino said:
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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.


Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!
Here is the thing to keep in mind here  
montanagiant : 12/1/2016 3:14 pm : link
I don't know if any of you have ever been to the numerous Indian Res's that reside in N/S Dakota and Montana. Outside off one small rez located SW of Bismarck (because it has a nice casino in a recreational area, they are all complete shitholes. No industry to speak of, crappy school systems, and at times can be every bit as dangerous as S Chicago.

This pipeline could mean many jobs for these people. Won't be a huge boon as it's been sold, but would definitely lift up the Rez's. So you have to question why a group as down as the midwest Indians are, would want to stop this. It's not for BS reasons, it's for cultural and heritage aspects that are about the only thing they hang onto.
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BMac : 12/1/2016 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13243052 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13243025 ZGiants98 said:


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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.




Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?

Seriously?





I am pretty sure Bismarck looks like Aleppo these days...



What's Aleppo?



Syria?


What's Syria?



-- Gary Johnson
RE: RE: Why is an Indian Burial ground more sacred than other .....  
Cam in MO : 12/1/2016 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13243054 BMac said:
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In comment 13243043 Crispino said:


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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.



Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!


Exactly. But instead of a pipeline we should be building more rail through reservations.
RE: Ok Im seriously done here. lol  
montanagiant : 12/1/2016 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13243025 ZGiants98 said:
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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.

I have done work in N Dakota since 1994. We just had a 4-month Jobsite end in Bismarck back in Oct. There has been nothing but minor vandalism regarding Standing Rock. The vast majority of crime happening there is due to the Natural Gas boom that hit ND a few years back. As with any boom that entices transient workers you get the hookers, drug dealers, petty thieves, etc...

There is no massive criminal acts being done to the capital district at all
RE: RE: Ok Im seriously done here. lol  
ZGiants98 : 12/1/2016 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13243068 montanagiant said:
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In comment 13243025 ZGiants98 said:


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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.

That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.

You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.


I have done work in N Dakota since 1994. We just had a 4-month Jobsite end in Bismarck back in Oct. There has been nothing but minor vandalism regarding Standing Rock. The vast majority of crime happening there is due to the Natural Gas boom that hit ND a few years back. As with any boom that entices transient workers you get the hookers, drug dealers, petty thieves, etc...

There is no massive criminal acts being done to the capital district at all


It isnt about the capital district. That was part of an example that encompassed animals being shot and rioters vandalizing and inciting violence against the law. Congratulations for being half way informed. I guess the comments I shared weren't meant for you. 99% of the country is watching a 1 minute clip of rioters being hosed down by water on a CNN loop and thinks they know first hand whats happening there.
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BMac : 12/1/2016 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13243067 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 13243043 Crispino said:


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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.



Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!



Exactly. But instead of a pipeline we should be building more rail through reservations.


Nothing like good old self interest to solve the problems of the day! Actually, being a long-time fan of rail travel, I suggest replacing the interstate highway system with rail.
Man you guys are so....  
Crispino : 12/1/2016 3:29 pm : link
easy sometimes.
RE: RE: I only care about this issue cause Neil Young does.  
njm : 12/1/2016 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13242957 Cam in MO said:
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Neil rules.

And some of these posts are making my highly accurate bullshit detector go off.

I just don't get it. Who gives a flying rats ass about a pipe in North Dakota? Why is that even in America? Can we trade it to Canada for Toronto?

Really hoping Dallas lays an egg tonight. Go Vikes!




I do. Fuck pipelines. Ship everything by rail.



LOL Follow the money.
RE: Man you guys are so....  
BMac : 12/1/2016 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13243072 Crispino said:
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easy sometimes.


I'm easy, but I'm not cheap!
We have more and faster access to news than ever before  
j_rud : 12/1/2016 3:32 pm : link
And we may live in the most misinformed age of America. F*ckin paradoxical yo.
Yes if those Native  
XBRONX : 12/1/2016 3:34 pm : link
Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.
RE: Here is the thing to keep in mind here  
Bill L : 12/1/2016 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13243057 montanagiant said:
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I don't know if any of you have ever been to the numerous Indian Res's that reside in N/S Dakota and Montana. Outside off one small rez located SW of Bismarck (because it has a nice casino in a recreational area, they are all complete shitholes. No industry to speak of, crappy school systems, and at times can be every bit as dangerous as S Chicago.

This pipeline could mean many jobs for these people. Won't be a huge boon as it's been sold, but would definitely lift up the Rez's. So you have to question why a group as down as the midwest Indians are, would want to stop this. It's not for BS reasons, it's for cultural and heritage aspects that are about the only thing they hang onto.
That's a very strong point. I was actually wondering about it from the opposite direction, that being if it was really bad why would the Obama administration, which you would think would be the most sympathetic, on many levels, of any prior administration, support it going through. But I was thinking more from a safety, environmental level and not a cultural one. That may be something he is not as attuned to. However, the little media attention and all of the fb posts I've seen are focused on environment as well (in addition to just support of the protestors without a comment on the pipeline itself).
RE: Yes if those Native  
Bill L : 12/1/2016 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13243084 XBRONX said:
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Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.
China has a very strict immigration policy.
RE: RE: READ YOUR LINK  
Diver_Down : 12/1/2016 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13243012 ZGiants98 said:
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Its about ONE CLAIM of remains, nothing in your link states they went all around the Rez.

Its the link above "Beaver arrested for holiday shopping" story



For the second fucking time it WAS NOT MY LINK. I was sharing thoughts from people that lived there. HE used it and I clarified HIS link for somebody else. AGAIN. If people dont like hearing thoughts from people who live there fine. I live in fucking Florida. lol


You should be more concerned about the Sabal Pipeline Project, then. It won't get the publicity, but all Floridians should be concerned. This pipeline will be going through the heart of the spring region which serves as a massive freeway of freshwater.
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BMac : 12/1/2016 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13243094 Bill L said:
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Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.

China has a very strict immigration policy.


The general Siberia region, actually. Of course, if you want to nitpick, send 'em back to Africa.
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Bill L : 12/1/2016 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13243102 BMac said:
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Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.

China has a very strict immigration policy.



The general Siberia region, actually. Of course, if you want to nitpick, send 'em back to Africa.
Wouldn't we all have to go? That might create a weight imbalance.
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BMac : 12/1/2016 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13243110 Bill L said:
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Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.

China has a very strict immigration policy.



The general Siberia region, actually. Of course, if you want to nitpick, send 'em back to Africa.

Wouldn't we all have to go? That might create a weight imbalance.


Everyone but the Irish. Everyone knows that the Irish came straight from heaven, not like other mere mortals.
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Cam in MO : 12/1/2016 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13243071 BMac said:
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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.



Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!



Exactly. But instead of a pipeline we should be building more rail through reservations.



Nothing like good old self interest to solve the problems of the day! Actually, being a long-time fan of rail travel, I suggest replacing the interstate highway system with rail.


Fuck passengers. We only do freight. More coal, less gas!

I oughtta care about something, so I figure that something oughtta be me.

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BMac : 12/1/2016 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13243118 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 13243071 BMac said:


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In comment 13243067 Cam in MO said:


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In comment 13243054 BMac said:


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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.



Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!



Exactly. But instead of a pipeline we should be building more rail through reservations.



Nothing like good old self interest to solve the problems of the day! Actually, being a long-time fan of rail travel, I suggest replacing the interstate highway system with rail.



Fuck passengers. We only do freight. More coal, less gas!

I oughtta care about something, so I figure that something oughtta be me.


Hey, if it isn't already, the Hobo market should be opening up nicely during the next few years.
Rail tramps don't pay for shit and leave hella messes in boxcars.  
Cam in MO : 12/1/2016 4:14 pm : link
They build nests in them. We've found a few with hypodermic needles in them over the years. It is very sad, actually. And there really aren't anymore bulls to keep them out other than at the big switch yards, either.





RE: Yes if those Native  
spike : 12/1/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13243084 XBRONX said:
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Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.


I hear India is already pretty crowded. Plus their penchant for gang rapes.
RE: Rail tramps don't pay for shit and leave hella messes in boxcars.  
Giants_ROK : 12/1/2016 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13243133 Cam in MO said:
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They build nests in them. We've found a few with hypodermic needles in them over the years. It is very sad, actually. And there really aren't anymore bulls to keep them out other than at the big switch yards, either.

Amen to that.
This is the ultimate  
Gman11 : 12/1/2016 4:43 pm : link
"Get off my lawn."
RE: Rail tramps don't pay for shit and leave hella messes in boxcars.  
BMac : 12/1/2016 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13243133 Cam in MO said:
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They build nests in them. We've found a few with hypodermic needles in them over the years. It is very sad, actually. And there really aren't anymore bulls to keep them out other than at the big switch yards, either.






Where's Ernest Borgnine when you need him !
RE: RE: Rail tramps don't pay for shit and leave hella messes in boxcars.  
BMac : 12/1/2016 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13243185 BMac said:
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In comment 13243133 Cam in MO said:


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They build nests in them. We've found a few with hypodermic needles in them over the years. It is very sad, actually. And there really aren't anymore bulls to keep them out other than at the big switch yards, either.








Where's Ernest Borgnine when you need him !


Shit! ROK beat me to it.
RE: Section 125  
Defense56 : 12/1/2016 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13242825 Frank from CA said:
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There are costs to everything. Re-design, Quality control, re-permitting, re-reviews by authorities, added pipe and appurtenances, balancing pressure, revised HDD planning for both the pilot drills and boring, stress calculations and the iterations of review, calls for new core samples (geotechnical investigation) in the new area. All of this was minor 20-30 years ago, but, with heightened liability at all levels pipe design for installation is very costly.

Ultimately someone will be forced to pay for the delays or the re-alignment of the pipe. Taxpayer. Enjoy the spectacle, you are paying for it.

Excellent post!Spot on.
BMac:  
Giants_ROK : 12/1/2016 5:40 pm : link
Right? Emperor of the North!

Best railroad hobo movie ever made.
Defense56  
XBRONX : 12/1/2016 5:51 pm : link
Spot on. As long as with continue with corporate welfare.
That's a great...  
Chris in Philly : 12/1/2016 5:52 pm : link
movie.
Let's see...  
trueblueinpw : 12/1/2016 6:05 pm : link
Big corporate energy company building a pipeline or Native American's protesting. I wonder what could be motivating either of these groups?
RE: BMac:  
BMac : 12/1/2016 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13243272 Giants_ROK said:
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Right? Emperor of the North!

Best railroad hobo movie ever made.


Fantastic movie, especially considering I'm a big fan of both Borgnine and Marvin.
RE: Let's see...  
Bill L : 12/1/2016 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13243292 trueblueinpw said:
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Big corporate energy company building a pipeline or Native American's protesting. I wonder what could be motivating either of these groups?
wouldn't that be the same thing that motivates every single person on the planet about every single issue on the planet? It's always about the money. And whenever anyone ever says it's not about the money, they're lying through their teeth.
I'm sure it is about the money  
David in LA : 12/1/2016 6:25 pm : link
I don't get the outrage (by some) over the Native Americans turning down the money and wanting more. Just because they were offered like $10m, they should take the money and be happy with it?
These Native Americans are acting like this land  
Vanzetti : 12/1/2016 8:27 pm : link
once belonged to them or something. I don't get it.
I am going to tell a Native American how I fell about this  
PA Giant Fan : 12/1/2016 8:31 pm : link
Now where to find one...?
Why is this discussion  
ctc in ftmyers : 12/1/2016 8:47 pm : link
going on?

Guess it's not political.

In no one's mind.
What is political about the thread?  
montanagiant : 12/1/2016 9:11 pm : link
I have yet to see one aspect of politics brought into the discussion until yours
Per the OP "it poses a threat to water resources and  
Marty in Albany : 12/1/2016 9:13 pm : link
sacred Native American sites."

No question that companies should not be allowed to risk polluting other people's water.

As for "sacred Native American sites," I guess I'm grown accustomed to such kinds of sacrilege. For instance, my favorite NYC building is Trinity Church at One Wall Street. There is no oil pipeline under it, just a subway.
RE: Per the OP  
BMac : 12/1/2016 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13243536 Marty in Albany said:
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sacred Native American sites."

No question that companies should not be allowed to risk polluting other people's water.

As for "sacred Native American sites," I guess I'm grown accustomed to such kinds of sacrilege. For instance, my favorite NYC building is Trinity Church at One Wall Street. There is no oil pipeline under it, just a subway.


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