"CANNON BALL, N.D. (Reuters) - More than 2,000 U.S. military veterans plan to form a human shield to protect protesters of a pipeline project near a Native American reservation in North Dakota, organizers said, just ahead of a federal deadline for activists to leave the camp they have been occupying.
It comes as North Dakota law enforcement backed away from a previous plan to cut off supplies to the camp – an idea quickly abandoned after an outcry and with law enforcement’s treatment of Dakota Access Pipeline protesters increasingly under the microscope.
The protesters have spent months rallying against plans to route the $3.8 billion Dakota Access Pipeline beneath a lake near the Standing Rock Sioux reservation, saying it poses a threat to water resources and sacred Native American sites."
I'm surprised the media isnt providing more coverage on this massive ND protest. What do you guys think?
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I'm not against the pipeline at all. But how much money is this company losing with the delays?
Ultimately someone will be forced to pay for the delays or the re-alignment of the pipe. Taxpayer. Enjoy the spectacle, you are paying for it.
I'm not against the pipeline at all. But how much money is this company losing with the delays?
Is it that simple from an engineering stand point? If so, this whole thing has been silly.
This whole thing is horrible. The protesters have been starting fires, killing live stock, leaving wreckage and litter in their camps, just to name a few. So they are fighting for the water by destroying other aspects of Mother Nature and it all started because the Army Corps wouldn't give them 50 million dollars. So money, this riot started over money.
Are these types of things approved by the tribe and are they just divided over allowing it ? Are we taking advantage of them through our "immoral" laws so it is legal but wrong ?
It seems that we only hear one side of the story and that it is the fighters of clean water for the tribe vs. the big bad corporations, yet if that were the case, wouldn't the protest side have more to stand on and getting more coverage in the mainstream press ?
I am hard pressed to have an informed, independant opinion on this one and wondering if I am alone.
This whole thing is horrible. The protesters have been starting fires, killing live stock, leaving wreckage and litter in their camps, just to name a few. So they are fighting for the water by destroying other aspects of Mother Nature and it all started because the Army Corps wouldn't give them 50 million dollars. So money, this riot started over money.
Thanks for your efforts in distilling down the issue. Do you have a source with more detail ?
This whole thing is horrible. The protesters have been starting fires, killing live stock, leaving wreckage and litter in their camps, just to name a few. So they are fighting for the water by destroying other aspects of Mother Nature and it all started because the Army Corps wouldn't give them 50 million dollars. So money, this riot started over money.
I'm just curious where you're getting this from. Links?
So I still have friends on my page liking and sharing these anti-pipeline articles and memes. If you don't pipeline for a living, and you're not from North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, or Illinois then you should really stay out of this conversation, especially if you're just going to keep sharing the same lies over and over. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is not about opinions, it's about facts, and the facts are; the Dakota access pipeline DOES NOT cross the Standing Rock reservation, it DOES have all the necessary permits and approvals, and it is NOT disturbing any burial grounds This information is easily accessible online with a quick Google search, but I'll include a map anyway, in case you don't have time to research the lies you're sharing. And here are the links showing they have the permits, and that North Dakota's top archeologists surveyed these sites and found nothing. http://m.bismarcktribune.com/…/article_5dc1e955-fd71-5003-8…
http://m.kcci.com/…/archaeologist-no-human-remains…/41226410
And before you start in about possible water contamination, that's just another scare tactic. The Missouri river will be directionally drilled and the pipeline will have the latest technologies and monitoring systems to help prevent releases and will be constructed 90 feet below the riverbed to ensure nothing may reach the river — far above and beyond what’s required by federal regulations.
Don't be fooled, the battle right now may be against this pipeline, but the war is on oil. I know some of you hate oil (even though you consume as much as the rest of us on a daily basis) but there simply is not enough renewable energy to meet the current demand, so this oil WILL be brought to market one way or another, and the safest way is via pipeline. They have a smaller carbon footprint and are 4.5 times less likely to cause a spill than trains. It's an easy choice. So don't tell me you're against pipelines because you care about the environment, because the two ideas are contradictory.
On face value, it is so easy to side with the protesters and people seem to have gravitated to it at the grass roots level. The lack of legitimate support and reporting at a summary level (other than specific incidents or certain court rulings that don't explain a lot) by the media, indicates that your source has some validity.
Water cannons
Rubber bullets
Tear Gas
And you wonder why people are crowding to join in the protests?
At this point the treatment of the protesters is the isssue drawing more people in. The reaction to some or even many bad apples among the protestors has lead to this growing. Protesting pipelines is also a popular pastime now, so any publicity draws more people in again.
So what's the solution now? Double down on overwhelming force?
So I still have friends on my page liking and sharing these anti-pipeline articles and memes. If you don't pipeline for a living, and you're not from North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, or Illinois then you should really stay out of this conversation, especially if you're just going to keep sharing the same lies over and over. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is not about opinions, it's about facts, and the facts are; the Dakota access pipeline DOES NOT cross the Standing Rock reservation, it DOES have all the necessary permits and approvals, and it is NOT disturbing any burial grounds This information is easily accessible online with a quick Google search, but I'll include a map anyway, in case you don't have time to research the lies you're sharing. And here are the links showing they have the permits, and that North Dakota's top archeologists surveyed these sites and found nothing. http://m.bismarcktribune.com/…/article_5dc1e955-fd71-5003-8…
http://m.kcci.com/…/archaeologist-no-human-remains…/41226410
And before you start in about possible water contamination, that's just another scare tactic. The Missouri river will be directionally drilled and the pipeline will have the latest technologies and monitoring systems to help prevent releases and will be constructed 90 feet below the riverbed to ensure nothing may reach the river — far above and beyond what’s required by federal regulations.
Don't be fooled, the battle right now may be against this pipeline, but the war is on oil. I know some of you hate oil (even though you consume as much as the rest of us on a daily basis) but there simply is not enough renewable energy to meet the current demand, so this oil WILL be brought to market one way or another, and the safest way is via pipeline. They have a smaller carbon footprint and are 4.5 times less likely to cause a spill than trains. It's an easy choice. So don't tell me you're against pipelines because you care about the environment, because the two ideas are contradictory.
Z- Can you repost links that are complete/accurate please ? Using the "Add A Link" feature for posting, maybe ?
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So I still have friends on my page liking and sharing these anti-pipeline articles and memes. If you don't pipeline for a living, and you're not from North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, or Illinois then you should really stay out of this conversation, especially if you're just going to keep sharing the same lies over and over. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is not about opinions, it's about facts, and the facts are; the Dakota access pipeline DOES NOT cross the Standing Rock reservation, it DOES have all the necessary permits and approvals, and it is NOT disturbing any burial grounds This information is easily accessible online with a quick Google search, but I'll include a map anyway, in case you don't have time to research the lies you're sharing. And here are the links showing they have the permits, and that North Dakota's top archeologists surveyed these sites and found nothing. http://m.bismarcktribune.com/…/article_5dc1e955-fd71-5003-8…
http://m.kcci.com/…/archaeologist-no-human-remains…/41226410
And before you start in about possible water contamination, that's just another scare tactic. The Missouri river will be directionally drilled and the pipeline will have the latest technologies and monitoring systems to help prevent releases and will be constructed 90 feet below the riverbed to ensure nothing may reach the river — far above and beyond what’s required by federal regulations.
Don't be fooled, the battle right now may be against this pipeline, but the war is on oil. I know some of you hate oil (even though you consume as much as the rest of us on a daily basis) but there simply is not enough renewable energy to meet the current demand, so this oil WILL be brought to market one way or another, and the safest way is via pipeline. They have a smaller carbon footprint and are 4.5 times less likely to cause a spill than trains. It's an easy choice. So don't tell me you're against pipelines because you care about the environment, because the two ideas are contradictory.
Z- Can you repost links that are complete/accurate please ? Using the "Add A Link" feature for posting, maybe ?
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This whole thing is horrible. The protesters have been starting fires, killing live stock, leaving wreckage and litter in their camps, just to name a few. So they are fighting for the water by destroying other aspects of Mother Nature and it all started because the Army Corps wouldn't give them 50 million dollars. So money, this riot started over money.
That's factually incorrect
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Anti-fracking activists are using the public’s misunderstandings of the Dakota Access Pipeline to paint the multi-state project as a blight against American Indians and the environment. But some details about the hotly contested project might dispel some of those misconceptions.
Protesters and members of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe have relentlessly blasted the $3.8 billion pipeline, arguing the DAPL’s construction would trample on tribal lands and destroy ancient tribal artifacts. They also argue it could potentially poison waterways, including rivers such as the Missouri River and Lake Oahe.
Many of the demonstrations against the nearly 1,200-mile long pipeline have turned violent and bloody.
In fact, the Army Corps of Engineers, which had previously approved the pipeline, met with leaders from Standing Rock Sioux on Friday in hopes to avoid more confrontations between police and protesters.
Here are a few pieces of information to keep in mind when considering what to make of the pipeline’s construction.
The Tribe Never Took Part In The Initial Consulting Process
The Army Corps of Engineers attempted more than a dozen times between 2014 and 2016, according to court documents, to discuss the DAPL route with the Standing Rock. The tribe either failed to respond to requests for consultation or dragged its feet during the process.
The Corps sent a letter to the tribe in October of 2014 with information about the proposed pipeline routes as well as maps documenting the known cultural sites the Corps had identified.
“In addition, the letter requested that any party interested in consulting on the matter reply within thirty days,” the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia wrote in August. “No response was received from the Tribe.”
The head of the North Dakota Public Service Commission mirrored the judge’s decision earlier this week, telling reporters that the tribe had plenty of time to voice concerns before the pipeline’s construction.
Julie Fedorchak, who serves as the chairman of the commission, told National Public Radio in an interview Wednesday that Standing Rock Sioux did not participate in the nearly 30 hours of meetings held to determine the pipeline’s southern route.
The tribe’s decision to drag its feet on the issue is odd considering it usually does engage with the commission on other issues, Fedorchak added. It’s also strange based on the sheer amount of angst the project has received in recent months.
The DAPL Runs Parallel To An Already Existing Pipeline
The DAPL runs parallel to an already existing pipeline built back in 1982 called the Northern Border Pipeline, which already runs through the areas currently being disputed by Standing Rock.
The Northern Border line never received any protests or complaints from demonstrators associated with Standing Rock, according to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission’s Environmental Impact Statement for the pipeline.
The Government Rerouted DAPL Several Times To Avoid Tribal Lands
Cultural surveys conducted prior to the pipeline receiving the approval show 91 of the 149 eligible sites contained stone features considered sacred American Indian tribes.
The pipeline, which is expected to shuttle more than 500,000 barrels of Bakken oil from North Dakota to Illinois, was rerouted and modified to avoid all 91 of those areas, and all but nine of the other potentially eligible sites.
The modifications convinced the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to deny a motion for a preliminary injunction in September by the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, citing the inability of the tribe to show how the pipeline would damage the group’s sacred ground.
The Pipeline Does Not Cut Through Standing Rock’s Reservation
The DAPL route does not cut through Standing Rock’s reservation — in fact, the entire area is privately owned, meaning the route is located several miles North of the tribe’s ancestral land.
The tribe has attempted to meander around that problem by arguing the land is theirs under the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1851.
“This demolition is devastating,” Standing Rock Chairman David Archambault II told reporters in October. “These grounds are the resting places of our ancestors. The ancient cairns and stone prayer rings there cannot be replaced. In one day, our sacred land has been turned into hollow ground.”
The treaty was forged between the U.S. government and the Great Sioux Nation, not Standing Rock. Still, tribe members have challenged the treaty and others like it in court for not being honored.
The Pipeline Was Moved Over Environmental Concerns
Energy Transfer Partners moved the project South near the Standing Rock reservation because it was 11 miles shorter and considered less damaging to the environment, according to a report the Army Corps of Engineers. The new pipeline also cost $23 million less than the initial route.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers evaluated the Bismarck route, eventually concluding it was not a viable option because of the project’s close proximity to the capital’s municipal water supply wells. The department also determined the northern route would have made it difficult to stay 500 or more feet away from homes, a policy required in North Dakota.
The southern route near Standing Rock’s reservation is mostly rural, making it easier for the pipeline to be constructed with as little environmental impact as possible.
Army Corps of Engineers, in fact, would later deem the new pipeline route crossing Lake Ohae safe in an environmental assessment, arguing that the ETP has “developed response and action plans, and will include several monitoring systems, shut-off valves, and other safety features to minimize the risk of spills and reduce…any potential damages.”
Eminent Domain Was Never Used On The North Dakota Route
Energy Transfer Partners relied on voluntary easements, which are non-possessory rights to use the property of a landowner without owning the land itself, to construct the pipeline’s southern route near Standing Rock Sioux’s reservation. Much of the land that protesters are occupying during their demonstrations is private property owned by farmers.
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Still, federal officials are refusing to evict those hunkered down at makeshift campsites along the DAPL route. Officials believe booting the protesters would harm free speech rights, despite the fact that the land is privately owned.
Eminent domain was used in other portions of the route in Iowa, prompting farmers to sue the Iowa Utilities Board (IUB) in an effort to prevent the company from gaining the right to use the property-seizing tool. A judge eventually allowed the DAPL use of the land.
Investments in pipelines like DAPL have increased since 2010 by some 60 percent, according to an American Petroleum Institute study, and have nearly doubled from $56.3 billion in 2010 to $89.6 billion in 2013. The increase has likely raised concerns among environmentalists about the use of eminent domain.
It's all the big fact checker conspiracy...
It wasn't "my source". I shared what somebody who lived there posted and it had a link that Marin wanted clarified. The info I shared are mostly from family and people that are living there and dealing with this stuff every single day.
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Just like in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and the report that he collapsed at an eatery.
My understanding is that it was supposed to go through Bismark, but then it was deemed too big a risk to their water access. It was then routed through the Tribal land without the proper impact study. DAPL wanted to cram it through.. hence the protest and the situation were in now.. where people are getting strong armed and their rights are being violated. Hearing from people coming back from that area.. things are not going well. People's constitional rights are being violated.
From NPR. " The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Monday that it needs more information before it can decide whether to allow the Dakota Access Pipeline to be built along its planned route.
In a joint statement by the U.S. Army and Department of the Interior, the Corps announced it had finished a review of the route, and concluded that more study was needed before it could grant the pipeline company the easement it needs to cross under a section of the Missouri River."
Lots of media silence on this ... which is also troubling.
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And some of these posts are making my highly accurate bullshit detector go off.
I just don't get it. Who gives a flying rats ass about a pipe in North Dakota? Why is that even in America? Can we trade it to Canada for Toronto?
Really hoping Dallas lays an egg tonight. Go Vikes!
If anything, they're way more emotionally invested and biased because of all of the problems the protests have caused for them, logically.
They aren't necessarily the authority to appeal to, IMO.
My understanding is that it was supposed to go through Bismark, but then it was deemed too big a risk to their water access. It was then routed through the Tribal land without the proper impact study. DAPL wanted to cram it through.. hence the protest and the situation were in now.. where people are getting strong armed and their rights are being violated. Hearing from people coming back from that area.. things are not going well. People's constitional rights are being violated.
From NPR. " The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Monday that it needs more information before it can decide whether to allow the Dakota Access Pipeline to be built along its planned route.
In a joint statement by the U.S. Army and Department of the Interior, the Corps announced it had finished a review of the route, and concluded that more study was needed before it could grant the pipeline company the easement it needs to cross under a section of the Missouri River."
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Gross Blau Oberst just shared an article that backs up what most of my family and others are saying.
And some of these posts are making my highly accurate bullshit detector go off.
I just don't get it. Who gives a flying rats ass about a pipe in North Dakota? Why is that even in America? Can we trade it to Canada for Toronto?
Really hoping Dallas lays an egg tonight. Go Vikes!
I do. Fuck pipelines. Ship everything by rail.
If anything, they're way more emotionally invested and biased because of all of the problems the protests have caused for them, logically.
They aren't necessarily the authority to appeal to, IMO.
The issue IS that the protesters are not peaceful. Are you seriously going to tell me these people dont know that their capital building, bridges, ect have been destroyed? All these people going there to support a cause and are for human rights, ect. have no idea what's happening there. The pipeline is not going through the reservation and the pipeline is being drilled WELL below the river and out of harms way.
In the meantime, any corporation that thinks its ok to coat people with freezing water.. is not ok. Its actually illegal.
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I just watched that for the first time a couple days ago. Really good, though I thought it ended sort of abruptly. Beautiful film though.
I am also not nearly educated enough about what is going on to take one side or another based on anything other than my own selfish bias.
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I can't find anything about the capitol building being destroyed other than a fire in 1885.
There was a lock down, though.
That sentence kinda illustrates my point about being emotionally invested.
If the answer is YES - then get out of our backyard, big brother!
If the answer is NO - then beat it, hippies!
#opinionforming
Absolutely illegal.
Surely some oil spilled on the wall is a bit short of destroyed, no?
"Destroyed" I think could be considered hyperbole in this case, but I guess I'm not sure.
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It wasn't "my source". I shared what somebody who lived there posted and it had a link that Marin wanted clarified. The info I shared are mostly from family and people that are living there and dealing with this stuff every single day.
Well you can't claim this guy who has a huge vested interest in seeing this pipe go through, is giving unbiased opinions of what he is seeing.
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Snopes is run by the Jews. Yeah, I said it.
That is a link to a claim that at one spot there were remains. Does not address that where they are worried the pipe is going through is an Indian Burial ground.
Absolutely illegal.
Surely some oil spilled on the wall is a bit short of destroyed, no?
"Destroyed" I think could be considered hyperbole in this case, but I guess I'm not sure.
"Destroyed" is hyperbole as you said. But perhaps if that same amount of oil spilled into a water supply it would be very bad for people. I don't know, but I do know I'd be alarmed if I lived there.
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That is a link to a claim that at one spot there were remains. Does not address that where they are worried the pipe is going through is an Indian Burial ground.
It's not. They went completely around the reservation.
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I just watched that for the first time a couple days ago. Really good, though I thought it ended sort of abruptly. Beautiful film though.
Its been a long time since we've had journalism like that...
The event, Veterans Stand for Standing Rock, is a call for veterans to "assemble as a peaceful, unarmed militia" to "defend the water protectors from assault and intimidation at the hands of the militarized police force and DAPL security." The organizers hope to prevent progress on the construction of the pipeline as well as draw national attention to the cause.
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The event, Veterans Stand for Standing Rock, is a call for veterans to "assemble as a peaceful, unarmed militia" to "defend the water protectors from assault and intimidation at the hands of the militarized police force and DAPL security." The organizers hope to prevent progress on the construction of the pipeline as well as draw national attention to the cause.
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That is a link to a claim that at one spot there were remains. Does not address that where they are worried the pipe is going through is an Indian Burial ground.
It's not. They went completely around the reservation.
YOUR link is addressing ONE claim of remains being found in a completely different area then where the Tribe says they are
Yikes.
Its the link above "Beaver arrested for holiday shopping" story
Z has some points- I didn't mean to try to dismiss everything he was saying because there is a lot of good information that he has posted.
I was just specifically pointing out why I don't think his appeal to authority (family living in the area) carries any weight whatsoever.
Its the link above "Beaver arrested for holiday shopping" story
For the second fucking time it WAS NOT MY LINK. I was sharing thoughts from people that lived there. HE used it and I clarified HIS link for somebody else. AGAIN. If people dont like hearing thoughts from people who live there fine. I live in fucking Florida. lol
That is where the current Rez is situated. The burial grounds are located where the Rez was in the 1800's before they were moved for the 3rd time. You are getting some really parsed info that fails to take into account the history of the situation
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Its about ONE CLAIM of remains, nothing in your link states they went all around the Rez.
Its the link above "Beaver arrested for holiday shopping" story
For the second fucking time it WAS NOT MY LINK. I was sharing thoughts from people that lived there. HE used it and I clarified HIS link for somebody else. AGAIN. If people dont like hearing thoughts from people who live there fine. I live in fucking Florida. lol
So then why are you claiming your link said they searched the whole area when it did not say that?
A stunning resume for a "Reader" of the website..lol
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The event, Veterans Stand for Standing Rock, is a call for veterans to "assemble as a peaceful, unarmed militia" to "defend the water protectors from assault and intimidation at the hands of the militarized police force and DAPL security." The organizers hope to prevent progress on the construction of the pipeline as well as draw national attention to the cause.
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Hippy libtards. Pfft...
So, what heartless fucker arrested a beaver for holiday shopping?
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
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So, what heartless fucker arrested a beaver for holiday shopping?
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So, what heartless fucker arrested a beaver for holiday shopping?
Probably needed a haircut. Nothing worse than being surprised by a hairy beaver.
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?
Seriously?
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So, what heartless fucker arrested a beaver for holiday shopping?
Probably needed a haircut. Nothing worse than being surprised by a hairy beaver.
I've been more surprised buy a bald beaver, but then I'm older than dirt and have these preconceptions.
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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?
Seriously?
I am pretty sure Bismarck looks like Aleppo these days...
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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?
Seriously?
Yes and that was from my uncle. If you re-read what he ACTUALLY wrote where this started he said the capital building was vandalized, the bridge was damaged, and its estimated the protesters are destroying about a million dollars in property a week. I didn't mean to insinuate the capital building was burnt to the ground. I was clearly using hyperbole in the moment.
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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?
Seriously?
I am pretty sure Bismarck looks like Aleppo these days...
What's Aleppo?
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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?
Seriously?
I am pretty sure Bismarck looks like Aleppo these days...
What's Aleppo?
Syria?
Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!
This pipeline could mean many jobs for these people. Won't be a huge boon as it's been sold, but would definitely lift up the Rez's. So you have to question why a group as down as the midwest Indians are, would want to stop this. It's not for BS reasons, it's for cultural and heritage aspects that are about the only thing they hang onto.
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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
Wait. You literally typed that their capitol building and bridges are being destroyed by protestors and then accuse others of having zero clue as to what's going on?
Seriously?
I am pretty sure Bismarck looks like Aleppo these days...
What's Aleppo?
Syria?
What's Syria?
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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.
Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!
Exactly. But instead of a pipeline we should be building more rail through reservations.
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
I have done work in N Dakota since 1994. We just had a 4-month Jobsite end in Bismarck back in Oct. There has been nothing but minor vandalism regarding Standing Rock. The vast majority of crime happening there is due to the Natural Gas boom that hit ND a few years back. As with any boom that entices transient workers you get the hookers, drug dealers, petty thieves, etc...
There is no massive criminal acts being done to the capital district at all
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If a poster on BBI lived in ND and was knee deep in this shit every day, I personally would have loved to have heard their thoughts on the matter.
That was my reason for sharing some of their thoughts.
You guys think your better informed, good for you. I think the majority of the population has zero clue what's going on there one way or the other so I felt like sharing.
I have done work in N Dakota since 1994. We just had a 4-month Jobsite end in Bismarck back in Oct. There has been nothing but minor vandalism regarding Standing Rock. The vast majority of crime happening there is due to the Natural Gas boom that hit ND a few years back. As with any boom that entices transient workers you get the hookers, drug dealers, petty thieves, etc...
There is no massive criminal acts being done to the capital district at all
It isnt about the capital district. That was part of an example that encompassed animals being shot and rioters vandalizing and inciting violence against the law. Congratulations for being half way informed. I guess the comments I shared weren't meant for you. 99% of the country is watching a 1 minute clip of rioters being hosed down by water on a CNN loop and thinks they know first hand whats happening there.
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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.
Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!
Exactly. But instead of a pipeline we should be building more rail through reservations.
Nothing like good old self interest to solve the problems of the day! Actually, being a long-time fan of rail travel, I suggest replacing the interstate highway system with rail.
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Neil rules.
And some of these posts are making my highly accurate bullshit detector go off.
I just don't get it. Who gives a flying rats ass about a pipe in North Dakota? Why is that even in America? Can we trade it to Canada for Toronto?
Really hoping Dallas lays an egg tonight. Go Vikes!
I do. Fuck pipelines. Ship everything by rail.
LOL Follow the money.
I'm easy, but I'm not cheap!
This pipeline could mean many jobs for these people. Won't be a huge boon as it's been sold, but would definitely lift up the Rez's. So you have to question why a group as down as the midwest Indians are, would want to stop this. It's not for BS reasons, it's for cultural and heritage aspects that are about the only thing they hang onto.
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Its about ONE CLAIM of remains, nothing in your link states they went all around the Rez.
Its the link above "Beaver arrested for holiday shopping" story
For the second fucking time it WAS NOT MY LINK. I was sharing thoughts from people that lived there. HE used it and I clarified HIS link for somebody else. AGAIN. If people dont like hearing thoughts from people who live there fine. I live in fucking Florida. lol
You should be more concerned about the Sabal Pipeline Project, then. It won't get the publicity, but all Floridians should be concerned. This pipeline will be going through the heart of the spring region which serves as a massive freeway of freshwater.
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Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.
China has a very strict immigration policy.
The general Siberia region, actually. Of course, if you want to nitpick, send 'em back to Africa.
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Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.
China has a very strict immigration policy.
The general Siberia region, actually. Of course, if you want to nitpick, send 'em back to Africa.
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Americans don't like it they can go back where they came from.
China has a very strict immigration policy.
The general Siberia region, actually. Of course, if you want to nitpick, send 'em back to Africa.
Wouldn't we all have to go? That might create a weight imbalance.
Everyone but the Irish. Everyone knows that the Irish came straight from heaven, not like other mere mortals.
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In comment 13243043 Crispino said:
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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.
Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!
Exactly. But instead of a pipeline we should be building more rail through reservations.
Nothing like good old self interest to solve the problems of the day! Actually, being a long-time fan of rail travel, I suggest replacing the interstate highway system with rail.
Fuck passengers. We only do freight. More coal, less gas!
I oughtta care about something, so I figure that something oughtta be me.
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In comment 13243054 BMac said:
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In comment 13243043 Crispino said:
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burial grounds? The Garden State Parkway in NJ was built right through a cemetery in Newark and hundreds of graves were relocated for the project. I imagine this has happened all over the country, and without millions of dollars changing hands.
Yeah, fuck them redskins and their culture. Who do they think they are, anyway, the original owners or something? Sheesh!
Exactly. But instead of a pipeline we should be building more rail through reservations.
Nothing like good old self interest to solve the problems of the day! Actually, being a long-time fan of rail travel, I suggest replacing the interstate highway system with rail.
Fuck passengers. We only do freight. More coal, less gas!
I oughtta care about something, so I figure that something oughtta be me.
Hey, if it isn't already, the Hobo market should be opening up nicely during the next few years.
I hear India is already pretty crowded. Plus their penchant for gang rapes.
Amen to that.
Where's Ernest Borgnine when you need him !
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They build nests in them. We've found a few with hypodermic needles in them over the years. It is very sad, actually. And there really aren't anymore bulls to keep them out other than at the big switch yards, either.
Where's Ernest Borgnine when you need him !
Shit! ROK beat me to it.
Ultimately someone will be forced to pay for the delays or the re-alignment of the pipe. Taxpayer. Enjoy the spectacle, you are paying for it.
Excellent post!Spot on.
Best railroad hobo movie ever made.
Best railroad hobo movie ever made.
Fantastic movie, especially considering I'm a big fan of both Borgnine and Marvin.
Guess it's not political.
In no one's mind.
No question that companies should not be allowed to risk polluting other people's water.
As for "sacred Native American sites," I guess I'm grown accustomed to such kinds of sacrilege. For instance, my favorite NYC building is Trinity Church at One Wall Street. There is no oil pipeline under it, just a subway.
No question that companies should not be allowed to risk polluting other people's water.
As for "sacred Native American sites," I guess I'm grown accustomed to such kinds of sacrilege. For instance, my favorite NYC building is Trinity Church at One Wall Street. There is no oil pipeline under it, just a subway.
Say what?