A shooting in Terrytown Thursday afternoon (Dec. 1) left a man dead after an argument at an intersection, according to the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office.
Family members at the scene identified the victim as Joe McKnight, former NFL player and local high school football standout. McKnight, who went to John Curtis Christian School in River Ridge, played for the New York Jets and the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Unless the shooter's argument is somehow Mcnight made him fear for his life?
Unless the shooter's argument is somehow Mcnight made him fear for his life?
If it's true he shot him again while he was on the ground. How could that be the case? What about the other witness who claimed McKnight was trying to apologize?
Makes no sense if he indeed shot him once when he was standing and once on the ground.
Gasser, 54, has not been formally charged, said JPSO spokesman Col. John Fortunato. As the investigation into McKnight's death continues, Fortunato asked anyone with information about the shooting to contact department homicide detectives at 504-364-5393.
McKnight, 28, was shot about 3 p.m. Thursday (Dec. 1) at the intersection of Behrman Highway and Holmes Boulevard in Terrytown. A witness, who declined to give her name, said she saw a man at the intersection yelling at McKnight, who was trying to apologize. The man shot McKnight more than once, the witness said. She said he shot McKnight, stood over him and said, "I told you don't you f--- with me." Then the man fired again, she said.
Authorities named the shooter as Ronald Gasser, 54, and said he stayed at the scene and turned his gun in to officers. Gasser was in custody and was being questioned, Jefferson Parish Sheriff Newell Normand said. The sheriff said McKnight did not have a gun, and deputies did not find a gun outside McKnight's vehicle. Link - ( New Window )
Agree with the WTF. There is a witness to the killing, how do they not hold him over night? Also, "i told you don't f--- with me" sounds like premeditated to me
This would be a non-issue is McKnight wasn't black or famous.
This would be a non-issue is McKnight wasn't black or famous.
Riiiight. Freaking commies! It's a complete non-issue for people to shoot someone and kill them because they cut them off etc. Hey, don't piss me off in line at Starbucks! Or... Ka BLAM!
This should go well.
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This should go well.
LOL. Yeah I should not add fuel either.
Has no criminal record
Owns his own business
Is claiming self-defense
These were most likely the reasons why he was released. Not saying I agree with it, just pointing out the factors that point to why.
On a side note, Minnesota was looking at signing McKnight
Has no criminal record
Owns his own business
Is claiming self-defense
These were most likely the reasons why he was released. Not saying I agree with it, just pointing out the factors that point to why.
On a side note, Minnesota was looking at signing McKnight
That's presumably why but it's a bad look nonetheless.
Right. It's what they say to law enforcement that actually counts.
Although the newspaper found one witness that gave that version of events, there could be more that gave law enforcement a completely different account. We don't really know.
Apparently they have laws where if you feel your life is being threatened in your vehicle you can take action to defend yourself. I don't think NY has that law, but down there I guess they do.
I have no idea if this guy feared for his life or not, but that law is probably the reason why he wasn't charged yet.
LA also has a car-jacking law that allows for the occupant to use deadly force. All the occupant has to prove is their perception/fear of a car-jacking. Almost as if the car is an extension to the Castle doctrine.
LOL
Breitbart? This has been pretty civil thus far.
This would be a non-issue is McKnight wasn't black or famous.
Our founders wrote the 2nd Amendment because they were concerned that a central government would disarm the state militias. This is the reason for the Amendment. The Amendment has nothing to do with private citizens (non militia members) having a right to carry firearms. It's true the Supreme Court doesn't interpret the Amendment as written, and instead chooses to ignore original intent.
RIP Joe McKnight.
Just read about this. I imagine you as a road rager with your angry posts.
Anyway, an ASU student was killed during a fender bender this year when a road rager got out of her car and shot Yuoe Jiang (my roommate actually called the family in China to translate).
While this was the opposite situation, any time someone approaches your car it is reason to be fearful. Unless you drive away, you can actually be in a severe disadvantage sitting in your car--even helpless.
The police need evidence to charge the shooter, so personal feelings really don't have much of a factor or even sometime the truth. If they find more information later, they can always charge him then.
Now we know a witness lied (again), it will be pretty hard to convict Gasser. Could a 54 year old average Joe reasonably be in fear of imminent harm from an unarmed ex-NFL player in his 20's while trapped in his car? That's a hurdle.
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Some ignorant fuck had his ego bruised and decided that was justification to gun down an unarmed man. Fuck you Ronald Gasse. May multiple rapes be ahead of you.
RIP Joe McKnight.
Just read about this. I imagine you as a road rager with your angry posts.
Anyway, an ASU student was killed during a fender bender this year when a road rager got out of her car and shot Yuoe Jiang (my roommate actually called the family in China to translate).
While this was the opposite situation, any time someone approaches your car it is reason to be fearful. Unless you drive away, you can actually be in a severe disadvantage sitting in your car--even helpless.
The police need evidence to charge the shooter, so personal feelings really don't have much of a factor or even sometime the truth. If they find more information later, they can always charge him then.
Now we know a witness lied (again), it will be pretty hard to convict Gasser. Could a 54 year old average Joe reasonably be in fear of imminent harm from an unarmed ex-NFL player in his 20's while trapped in his car? That's a hurdle.
Do you imagine me naked when I'm being a 'road rager '? Creep.
Just your peace of mind, I'm not a 'road rager', fuck your very much.
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Some ignorant fuck had his ego bruised and decided that was justification to gun down an unarmed man. Fuck you Ronald Gasse. May multiple rapes be ahead of you.
RIP Joe McKnight.
Just read about this. I imagine you as a road rager with your angry posts.
Anyway, an ASU student was killed during a fender bender this year when a road rager got out of her car and shot Yuoe Jiang (my roommate actually called the family in China to translate).
While this was the opposite situation, any time someone approaches your car it is reason to be fearful. Unless you drive away, you can actually be in a severe disadvantage sitting in your car--even helpless.
The police need evidence to charge the shooter, so personal feelings really don't have much of a factor or even sometime the truth. If they find more information later, they can always charge him then.
Now we know a witness lied (again), it will be pretty hard to convict Gasser. Could a 54 year old average Joe reasonably be in fear of imminent harm from an unarmed ex-NFL player in his 20's while trapped in his car? That's a hurdle.
Do you imagine me naked when I'm being a 'road rager '? Creep.
Just your peace of mind, I'm not a 'road rager', fuck your very much.
perhaps.
Good to know.
But for everyday citizens? "Oh, I thought he was going to beat me up while I was sitting in my locked car, so rather than drive away and report the matter to police, I shot him three times with my handgun". No. No I do not think that's a reasonable standard for the application of deadly force and the taking of a life.
As well, if the roles were reversed, if McKnight had killed the 54 year old white guy, claiming to fear for his life while allegedly sitting in his own car, does anyone really think the police wouldn't have charged McKnight? I'll bet the young black McKnight would have at least spent the night in jail and more probably he'd be tried and convicted of man slaughter and serve time in prison.
But for everyday citizens? "Oh, I thought he was going to beat me up while I was sitting in my locked car, so rather than drive away and report the matter to police, I shot him three times with my handgun". No. No I do not think that's a reasonable standard for the application of deadly force and the taking of a life.
As well, if the roles were reversed, if McKnight had killed the 54 year old white guy, claiming to fear for his life while allegedly sitting in his own car, does anyone really think the police wouldn't have charged McKnight? I'll bet the young black McKnight would have at least spent the night in jail and more probably he'd be tried and convicted of man slaughter and serve time in prison.
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I agree with what you said in principle but you seem to be assuming a scenario in your second paragraph which we do not know if it reflects what happened in this individual case. We need more details in this case. What happened in the original car incident? Who followed who? Was there threats made and any aggressive action taken? Neither of us know. Seems to me that the details need to be known before we make conclusions.
I think we have all the information we need to detain and charge the shooter. We know McKnight wasn't armed. We know McKnigjt is now dead. What further information would we need to bring charges? My overall point is that people shouldn't be allowed to kill other people simply on their own testimony that they felt like they were in danger. The standard for killing is obviously too low and just as obviously presents problems. The race of the shooter and McKnightt can not be ignored here. But let's ignore it for arguments sake for just to make things less charged. If someone follows you and gets out of your car and approaches your car, does this warrant the application of deadly force? I don't think so. In fact there was just such a case here in NYC just a few months ago where an off duty police officer shot and killed a guy approaching his car after road raging and they both were at a toll crossing. The officer has been charged with murder and will get his day in court to gather and present further information for his defense.
But for everyday citizens? "Oh, I thought he was going to beat me up while I was sitting in my locked car, so rather than drive away and report the matter to police, I shot him three times with my handgun". No. No I do not think that's a reasonable standard for the application of deadly force and the taking of a life.
As well, if the roles were reversed, if McKnight had killed the 54 year old white guy, claiming to fear for his life while allegedly sitting in his own car, does anyone really think the police wouldn't have charged McKnight? I'll bet the young black McKnight would have at least spent the night in jail and more probably he'd be tried and convicted of man slaughter and serve time in prison.
It's hard to say without knowing all the details. Did driving away mean driving into traffic? What are the expectations for someone in fear for their life (if it was, which we may truly never know) to act in the best case scenario when rational thought and fine motor skills are the first to go when in fear for your life.
As for the ignorant question, with the same amount of evidence? Absolutely. What good would holding him be if he wasn't seen as an immediate risk to anyone else and could be charged and arrested later if more evidence surfaced.
Do you also assume no black police officers were involved in any way?
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I agree with what you said in principle but you seem to be assuming a scenario in your second paragraph which we do not know if it reflects what happened in this individual case. We need more details in this case. What happened in the original car incident? Who followed who? Was there threats made and any aggressive action taken? Neither of us know. Seems to me that the details need to be known before we make conclusions.
I think we have all the information we need to detain and charge the shooter. We know McKnight wasn't armed. We know McKnigjt is now dead. What further information would we need to bring charges? My overall point is that people shouldn't be allowed to kill other people simply on their own testimony that they felt like they were in danger. The standard for killing is obviously too low and just as obviously presents problems. The race of the shooter and McKnightt can not be ignored here. But let's ignore it for arguments sake for just to make things less charged. If someone follows you and gets out of your car and approaches your car, does this warrant the application of deadly force? I don't think so. In fact there was just such a case here in NYC just a few months ago where an off duty police officer shot and killed a guy approaching his car after road raging and they both were at a toll crossing. The officer has been charged with murder and will get his day in court to gather and present further information for his defense.
He should have been held for as long as the law allowed and charges could be considered.
If charges aren't warranted, he goes home. Something Joe McKnight and his family don't have the luxury of, unequivocally because of the choice this man made.
Anyway, not trying to rile you up or single you out, just saying, it seems like a pretty low standard in this instance for killing a human being.
Yeah at the same damn intersection, followed a guy into a gas station there and proceeded to punch him according to the charges filed against him
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Good lord, I missed that bit. This story just gets worse and worse, IMO.
Yeah at the same damn intersection, followed a guy into a gas station there and proceeded to punch him according to the charges filed against him
That's an interesting new tidbit. This guy sounds like a nut.