for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Neither announcer,

Doomster : 12/1/2016 11:43 pm
said anything about the facemask/blow to head penalty....

Finally, in summary, Collins said Vikings didn't catch a break on the call....catch a break? It was flagrant, and I can't believe not one official saw it.....how many times do we see officials 10 miles away throw a flag that the official next to the play didn't?

Dallas just seems to get calls like this...especially at the end of games...
They both mentioned  
pjcas18 : 12/1/2016 11:45 pm : link
it. Collinsworth said it should have been called, but corrente didn't see it.
They mentioned it  
montanagiant : 12/1/2016 11:45 pm : link
But they also made some silly ass excuses why it was not called
What a tool..  
section125 : 12/1/2016 11:48 pm : link
they both called it...even showed Corrente saying the hit was on the shoulder and saying he missed it.

Try again.
From my comment on the other string  
bigfish703 : 12/2/2016 1:20 am : link
In the Vikings/Dallas game
bigfish703 : 1:17 am : link : reply
officials missed 2 roughing the passer penalties that should have been called on the Cowboys. In the first, there was obvious daylight between the tackler & Bradford after he released the the pass. The tackler then crashed into the side of his chest with his helmet, forcing the QB out of the game temporarily due the intense pain. Either one of these infractions should have resulted in a call & they missed both altho the infractions were obvious on the replay.

On the last play of the game when Bradford attempted a 2 point pass, the tackler's hand hit him on the helmet, not the shoulder as announced. In the replay I could see the QB's helmet turn as it took the blow.

I begin to wonder what the function of instant replay is if the officials cannot interpret what they must have plainly seen. I for one would just like to do away with it & leave calls subject to human error as they had previously been. It also slows down the flow of the game. I think we fool ourselves into believing that technology can solve all of these problems. Seeing them blow game-changing calls is frustrating.

I watched this game to get an idea as to whether the Giants can beat Dallas 2 weeks from now. Yes, they can, if the officials can avoid mucking it up. I noticed all the mistakes & fumbles the hitherto "perfect" Cowboy offense made when for once they were pressured by a good defense. Go Giants D!
I Keep...  
nccowboyfan : 12/2/2016 1:30 am : link
...Seeing people call it a "blow" to the head. His hand barely touched his helmet. Can someone please explain how this "non-call" changed the outcome? It came slightly AFTER Bradford's shitty throw. He had committed to that throw before the glancing of a hand hit the helmet. This was a good call, and within the spirit of the rule. The rule was put into place to protect people from just running by and clubbing QBs in the head, which was clearly not the case here. I have looked at it several times and just do not see it. I felt like there were more bad causes against Dallas, than any game before this one.
RE: I Keep...  
adamg : 12/2/2016 1:35 am : link
In comment 13243993 nccowboyfan said:
Quote:
...Seeing people call it a "blow" to the head. His hand barely touched his helmet. Can someone please explain how this "non-call" changed the outcome? It came slightly AFTER Bradford's shitty throw. He had committed to that throw before the glancing of a hand hit the helmet. This was a good call, and within the spirit of the rule. The rule was put into place to protect people from just running by and clubbing QBs in the head, which was clearly not the case here. I have looked at it several times and just do not see it. I felt like there were more bad causes against Dallas, than any game before this one.


Talk about the spirit of he rule when you works against your favor and you'll have some legitimacy. It was a clear hit to the face of a QB. They call that every time, except tonight apparently.
RE: I Keep...  
montanagiant : 12/2/2016 1:41 am : link
In comment 13243993 nccowboyfan said:
Quote:
...Seeing people call it a "blow" to the head. His hand barely touched his helmet. Can someone please explain how this "non-call" changed the outcome? It came slightly AFTER Bradford's shitty throw. He had committed to that throw before the glancing of a hand hit the helmet. This was a good call, and within the spirit of the rule. The rule was put into place to protect people from just running by and clubbing QBs in the head, which was clearly not the case here. I have looked at it several times and just do not see it. I felt like there were more bad causes against Dallas, than any game before this one.

LMAO...He smacked the hell out of him, his whole head dropped and the helmet came down over his eyes
Could you imagine all the shit the replacement refs would have had  
montanagiant : 12/2/2016 1:43 am : link
With all the horrid job the officials have done this year?
How Corrupt has the NFL become since  
shelovesnycsports : 12/2/2016 1:54 am : link
Goodell took over?
She love  
joeinpa : 12/2/2016 6:17 am : link
Corrupt?
You are right - the annoucers missed it  
ZogZerg : 12/2/2016 6:37 am : link
They were going on about such a high throw. Someone must have gotten into Collinsworth ear as he finally mentioned it.
Whatever....  
EricJ : 12/2/2016 7:38 am : link
I miss the days when you could blast a QB in the head. Go back and look at the LT highlites.
Dak and Ziek  
eliapple : 12/2/2016 7:39 am : link
Are praised? With Dallas oline
They should be doing better. Dallas
Is like Giants. D is winning games.
O is under achieving. ..
Is the fix in or the refs inept?  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 12/2/2016 7:41 am : link
I honestly don't know
RE: Is the fix in or the refs inept?  
jcn56 : 12/2/2016 7:43 am : link
In comment 13244023 Giants Fan in Steelers Land said:
Quote:
I honestly don't know


I've really been leaning toward fixed, because if not the level of ineptitude is alarmingly high. There are plays I've seen this year that Ray Charles could have called better, and he's both blind AND dead.
...  
feelflows : 12/2/2016 7:43 am : link
Nobody understands the rules  
Giants2012 : 12/2/2016 8:05 am : link
The fans don't, the players don't, the coaches don't, the refs don't, the announcers don't, Goodell doesn't . . . nobody knows.


The entire point...  
Chris in Philly : 12/2/2016 8:34 am : link
of the thread is invalid. They both talked about it. Collinsworth said it should have been called. I won't even get into the idiot cowboy troll ignoring the obvious.

I swear I don't know what some of you people are watching.
They even replayed it....  
BillKo : 12/2/2016 8:40 am : link
with commentary by both announcers. CC said it should have been called, and was missed.

With that, officials will miss calls. It's not about the Cowboys being positioned to win.

Bad calls happen to all teams...............
RE: They mentioned it  
BillKo : 12/2/2016 8:43 am : link
In comment 13243948 montanagiant said:
Quote:
But they also made some silly ass excuses why it was not called


I think the excuse was somewhat valid...no the replay, you couldn't see the defenders right hand, because his left hand came crashing down on Bradford's shoulder pad.

Should have been called, and was missed, but that's football.
RE: Nobody understands the rules  
schabadoo : 12/2/2016 8:44 am : link
In comment 13244037 Giants2012 said:
Quote:
The fans don't, the players don't, the coaches don't, the refs don't, the announcers don't, Goodell doesn't . . . nobody knows.



No. Not the issue at all.

The ref was on the side, the arm closest to him hit the shoulder. It obscured the smack to the face.
CiP..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/2/2016 8:45 am : link
I'm with you. What game are people watching sometimes? In another thread, there's a poster who thinks Washington clearly recovered Duke Johnson's fumble. It is almost like eyes differ in what they process.

If I have a beef about the no call it is that Tony Corrente told Bradford he was hit in the shoulder pads. Hell, if he didn't see the blow to the head, just say "I didn't see it". Don't make shit up to support the no-call.
When Corrente signlaed that it was a shoulder hit  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/2/2016 8:47 am : link
I think from his angle he only saw the Dallas player's left hand and that the right arm shot was blocked by Bradford's throwing motion and the Dallas player himself. Tough to miss the head bob but possible.

We really won't know unless somebody posts the All-22 of Corrente's position on the play.
RE: CiP..  
BillKo : 12/2/2016 8:49 am : link
In comment 13244077 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
I'm with you. What game are people watching sometimes? In another thread, there's a poster who thinks Washington clearly recovered Duke Johnson's fumble. It is almost like eyes differ in what they process.

If I have a beef about the no call it is that Tony Corrente told Bradford he was hit in the shoulder pads. Hell, if he didn't see the blow to the head, just say "I didn't see it". Don't make shit up to support the no-call.


FMIC - the left arm came down hard on Bradford's shoulder pad, screening the right hand to the face.....you could even see it on the replay that way.

It's a missed call, but I can see why. And if the ref was unsure of the right hand, he probably errors on the side of letting the play run without a call.
What I'm saying..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/2/2016 8:51 am : link
is Corrente should just say "I didn't see the blow to the head". Telling Bradford the guy only hit the shoulder pads was wrong.

Corrente shook his head side to side and touched his shoulder. When I played, I appreciated it more if a ref just admitted they didn't see something, rather than create their own interpretation.
RE: RE: CiP..  
Chris in Philly : 12/2/2016 8:52 am : link
In comment 13244081 BillKo said:
Quote:
In comment 13244077 FatMan in Charlotte said:


Quote:


I'm with you. What game are people watching sometimes? In another thread, there's a poster who thinks Washington clearly recovered Duke Johnson's fumble. It is almost like eyes differ in what they process.

If I have a beef about the no call it is that Tony Corrente told Bradford he was hit in the shoulder pads. Hell, if he didn't see the blow to the head, just say "I didn't see it". Don't make shit up to support the no-call.



FMIC - the left arm came down hard on Bradford's shoulder pad, screening the right hand to the face.....you could even see it on the replay that way.

It's a missed call, but I can see why. And if the ref was unsure of the right hand, he probably errors on the side of letting the play run without a call.


That's how I saw it too. That's why one of the other refs needed to throw the flag.
RE: What I'm saying..  
BillKo : 12/2/2016 8:53 am : link
In comment 13244087 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
is Corrente should just say "I didn't see the blow to the head". Telling Bradford the guy only hit the shoulder pads was wrong.

Corrente shook his head side to side and touched his shoulder. When I played, I appreciated it more if a ref just admitted they didn't see something, rather than create their own interpretation.


Got it.

From my perspective, from when I played hearing I didn't see it is worse......and isn't his interpretation is what he's paid to do? LOL.....
RE: RE: Nobody understands the rules  
Giants2012 : 12/2/2016 8:59 am : link
In comment 13244073 schabadoo said:
Quote:
In comment 13244037 Giants2012 said:


Quote:


The fans don't, the players don't, the coaches don't, the refs don't, the announcers don't, Goodell doesn't . . . nobody knows.





No. Not the issue at all.

The ref was on the side, the arm closest to him hit the shoulder. It obscured the smack to the face.


Everybody sees and interprets something different. That is the issue.
RE: RE: RE: Nobody understands the rules  
schabadoo : 12/2/2016 9:11 am : link
In comment 13244096 Giants2012 said:
Quote:
In comment 13244073 schabadoo said:


Quote:


In comment 13244037 Giants2012 said:


Quote:


The fans don't, the players don't, the coaches don't, the refs don't, the announcers don't, Goodell doesn't . . . nobody knows.





No. Not the issue at all.

The ref was on the side, the arm closest to him hit the shoulder. It obscured the smack to the face.



Everybody sees and interprets something different. That is the issue.


No, not with this play. He didn't see him get hit in the facemask, so he didn't call it. That's it.
The Vikings  
ryanmkeane : 12/2/2016 9:18 am : link
didn't lose because of a missed call - and honestly I thought the Elliott overturned call was correct. He clearly got it back and had control. The Vikings and Bradford just aren't very good right now, that's why they lost. That OL looks JV compared to ours.
my feeling  
giantfan2000 : 12/2/2016 9:23 am : link
it wasn't blow to head but once player got his finger in facemask and turn his helmet that should have been called
RE: The Vikings  
jsuds : 12/2/2016 9:39 am : link
In comment 13244116 ryanmkeane said:
Quote:
didn't lose because of a missed call - and honestly I thought the Elliott overturned call was correct. He clearly got it back and had control. The Vikings and Bradford just aren't very good right now, that's why they lost. That OL looks JV compared to ours.

^
This. Vikes settled for field goals three times in the red zone mostly due to their own ineptitude (sacks, penalties). Convert one of those three for a TD and they come away a winner.
RE: The Vikings  
schabadoo : 12/2/2016 9:49 am : link
In comment 13244116 ryanmkeane said:
Quote:
didn't lose because of a missed call - and honestly I thought the Elliott overturned call was correct. He clearly got it back and had control. The Vikings and Bradford just aren't very good right now, that's why they lost. That OL looks JV compared to ours.


Rudolph not catching that TD and the muffed punt lost this game. Bradford did enough with a terrible Oline and awful receivers.
The ref's  
Glover : 12/2/2016 10:16 am : link
subconscious reluctance to give the Vikings a chance (they deserved) to beat the Cowboys is why the flag was not thrown. The refs can throw that flag anytime a QB gets hit in the head/neck area, they did not throw it because subconsciously they could not allow the Vikings a chance to beat the 10-1 Cowboys with those white uniforms with the stars on their helmets. This is an unrecognized factor in officiating. It is why the Raiders are usually first in penalties, and why teams with momentum keep momentum and win games. They aren't gong to throw the flag against the team that has scored the last 3 times in a great comeback. They throw the flag against the team that is losing the lead and is getting pushed around on the field.
This time it was "I can't throw a flag on that hit to the head to Sam Bradford? Really? I'm gonna throw a flag that changes the outcome of this game, in Sam Bradford?s favor? Against the 10-1 DALLAS COWBOYS?!! Oh hell no!" That is what the ref was thinking as he didnt reach for the flag.
RE: I Keep...  
Sonic Youth : 12/2/2016 10:36 am : link
In comment 13243993 nccowboyfan said:
Quote:
...Seeing people call it a "blow" to the head. His hand barely touched his helmet. Can someone please explain how this "non-call" changed the outcome? It came slightly AFTER Bradford's shitty throw. He had committed to that throw before the glancing of a hand hit the helmet. This was a good call, and within the spirit of the rule. The rule was put into place to protect people from just running by and clubbing QBs in the head, which was clearly not the case here. I have looked at it several times and just do not see it. I felt like there were more bad causes against Dallas, than any game before this one.
You call that barely touching? Are you fucking blind?
Back to the Corner