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bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 12:34 pm
Haven't started a NYR thread before (at least as far as I can remember)0, but we need to shake things up. Time for this team to get their heads out of their asses and return to form.

As you would have guessed, Clendo back to the luxury suite.

Hank in net. No two ways about it, he needs to play better.

Get it done.
Girardi was about as bad as it gets last game  
Deej : 12/3/2016 12:54 pm : link
lets see if there is any acknowledgment of that in TOI this game. Im thinking not.
RE: Girardi was about as bad as it gets last game  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13245266 Deej said:
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lets see if there is any acknowledgment of that in TOI this game. Im thinking not.


He spent more time on his belly than on his skates
I'm just shocked Dolan let us play an afternoon game at his venue  
MetsAreBack : 12/3/2016 1:00 pm : link
I thought we were only allowed Sunday night home games during football season. Kids actually get to go to a game. News at 11.

As for AV - I dunno ... Just seems so stuck in his ways. Octobers impressive performance feels more like chip Kelly's Eagles now - eg a team in better shape to start the season than opponents with legs not quite ready to bottle up stretch passing .... But now the league has adjusted and AV doesn't seem to care to adapt.
By the way  
MetsAreBack : 12/3/2016 1:02 pm : link
Kudos to the NHL for scheduling carolina's only two trips to msg this year in a period of four days.
MAB  
Drewcon40 : 12/3/2016 1:08 pm : link
Very odd scheduling indeed. We also have back to back Sunday games hosting the Devils. Thank goodness the Giants dont have any significant games on those dates.
AV doesnt have great options  
Deej : 12/3/2016 1:09 pm : link
D cant move the puck. Tough to break a trap that way. Tough it's not an excuse for DG on the top pair. There is no excuse for that, period. It is indefensible.

Of 129 NHL Ds with 300 minutes played, Rangers top 6 are ALL bottom 20 in CF%. Girardi is last in the NHL at 40.4%.
Review that shit  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 1:14 pm : link
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That's in  
Deej : 12/3/2016 1:14 pm : link
come on
That's definitely in and Rask pushed Klein into the goalie  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 1:14 pm : link
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That's a fucking goal.  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 1:15 pm : link
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Also  
Deej : 12/3/2016 1:15 pm : link
every puck should have a chip in it, and the goal frames need to be wired. Fox had chips in the pucks 20 years ago.

GOOOOOOOOOOAL!
RE: Also  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13245281 Deej said:
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every puck should have a chip in it, and the goal frames need to be wired. Fox had chips in the pucks 20 years ago.

GOOOOOOOOOOAL!


Seriously, it's about as basic of a technology as you could imagine.
I've never seen Hank as out of position/floppy  
Deej : 12/3/2016 1:19 pm : link
as he was last game, and he looked the same on that sequence. Something is up.
Always nice  
Stufftherun : 12/3/2016 1:20 pm : link
to get that first one. Really thought they were going to rule interference as it looked like Step's skate made contact with his right pad. I then thought the league would rule that the glove obscured part of the puck thus they'd rule against it. Just never know with these things.
RE: I've never seen Hank as out of position/floppy  
BrettNYG10 : 12/3/2016 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13245288 Deej said:
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as he was last game, and he looked the same on that sequence. Something is up.


He kind of looked like this back in 2015 when he came back from the injury for the first two games.
I miss Sam  
JoeMoney19 : 12/3/2016 1:39 pm : link
:(
Dammit Holden  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 1:40 pm : link
Take the fucking shot
Where can I see  
Deej : 12/3/2016 1:44 pm : link
single corsi and fenwick stats?
Outshot 15-3  
MetsAreBack : 12/3/2016 1:45 pm : link
But somehow have a lead. Starting to feel like our club last November/December again
Don't think that was as bad a period  
Kyle in NY : 12/3/2016 1:47 pm : link
as the shots suggest. At least compared to recent games. Carolina throwing shots from all over the place and our guys seem to be waiting for the perfect shot
RE: Where can I see  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13245305 Deej said:
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single corsi and fenwick stats?


By single you mean individual player? Corsica.hockey
When is AV  
XBRONX : 12/3/2016 1:56 pm : link
ever going to bench bad play by Dmen?
...  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2016 1:56 pm : link
terrific post-game discussion on Thursday re. relative value of signing a #1 or 2 d-man (right or left (: ) and vs. the churn in players and picks, MSL, Yandle, etc. And whither frigging Stralman. As board predicted, Clendo in the suites, makes little sense.

made a comment after the Flyers' game (it didn't excite anyone enough to warrant a remark, and that's ok; nonetheless, it sticks with me): shot from the point goes waist high wide to his left and King sticks out his catching glove to his left as the shot goes by him. He continues to stare at the glove as if he had caught it, staring, but meanwhile play and the puck are continuing behind the net and scrum beginning to emerge on the right side of his net--it was if he was playing an alternate reality. That is, the delay in awareness/reaction time between realizing he had not gloved the puck before he got back in the game was extraordinarily long. This is not normal goal keepers' action or awareness.

(I know some of you guys are/were serious players, I have no such pretensions, but keeper was what I did play). ok, I'll shut up and back to your regular programming.
GO bigbluehoya
When if ever  
XBRONX : 12/3/2016 2:05 pm : link
is Ryan Graves going to be a player in NHL?
RE: When is AV  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13245317 XBRONX said:
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ever going to bench bad play by Dmen?


He did....this past game
Jeez  
Deej : 12/3/2016 2:15 pm : link
Brutal
WHY CAN'T WE FUCKING STOP VIKTOR STALBERG?  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 2:15 pm : link
He's a chump. A fast chump.
The Girardi special  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 2:15 pm : link
Snow angel
Hank giving up  
Stufftherun : 12/3/2016 2:15 pm : link
the short side again!
23-5 shots in favor of the Hurricanes  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 2:18 pm : link
Pathetic
RE: When if ever  
Deej : 12/3/2016 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13245324 XBRONX said:
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is Ryan Graves going to be a player in NHL?


He's well served honing his game in the AHL and ironing out his skating. But to answer the question, when there is an opening for a LD. Right now our 4 best dmen are all LDs.

Thanks bbhoya
I really hope this is rock bottom  
MetsAreBack : 12/3/2016 2:22 pm : link
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Zibby and Buch  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 2:25 pm : link
Can't get back quickly enough.

Just pray for point-per-game hockey until then.
Gotta be Mike Rogers  
Stufftherun : 12/3/2016 2:26 pm : link
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Klein's been our best D-man today  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 2:26 pm : link
Though that's not saying much


Still, it's encouraging
Nash is playing a really nice game  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 2:33 pm : link
But I wish his trigger was a bit faster on this rookie goalie. He should be thinking shot first
Hayes constantly  
Kyle in NY : 12/3/2016 2:39 pm : link
trying to walk the puck into the net. Team is dying for shots and he's turning down point blank chances.
RE: Nash is playing a really nice game  
MetsAreBack : 12/3/2016 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13245363 bigbluehoya said:
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But I wish his trigger was a bit faster on this rookie goalie. He should be thinking shot first


I'm not able to watch the game but isn't leighton a 35 year old career journeyman ? Regardless 11 shots at home through 2 periods is unacceptable but becoming the norm with this group and coach the last few weeks
You're right, my bad  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 2:45 pm : link
I incorrectly assumed that he was a rookie based on having played 1 game this season and the rest in AHL.
But either way  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 2:45 pm : link
They should be looking to pepper this clown
Great pass by Skjei  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 3:03 pm : link
Grabber is a blur
SHHHHHHHWWWWEEEET pass from Skjei to Grabner  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 3:03 pm : link
2-1
Now that was pretty  
Stufftherun : 12/3/2016 3:03 pm : link
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Great passing there to go back on top.  
Mad Mike : 12/3/2016 3:04 pm : link
When we're operating like that, it's so much fun to watch.
Could very well be coming back  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 3:04 pm : link
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FUCK  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 3:04 pm : link
I think it's gonna be nullified
sucks  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2016 3:06 pm : link
beautiful combination and finish
ALRIGHT!  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 3:06 pm : link
Good going, refs!
Arc-  
Drewcon40 : 12/3/2016 3:06 pm : link
I can't believe a team would give up on Grabner.
I'll take it!  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 3:06 pm : link
Goal decision aside, such a better third period so far.

Breakouts much cleaner and putting pucks on net
SON OF A BITCH  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 3:07 pm : link
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I guess God thought that was offsides,  
Mad Mike : 12/3/2016 3:07 pm : link
even if the officials couldn't tell.
God damnit  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 3:07 pm : link
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We deserved that  
Deej : 12/3/2016 3:08 pm : link
pathetic
Hate how we collapse  
Kyle in NY : 12/3/2016 3:08 pm : link
in the d zone. Points are wide open and makes it difficult to get pucks ou
I'll take it!  
Anakim : 12/3/2016 3:19 pm : link
3-2
KREID 'R DIE  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 3:20 pm : link
Whooooooo
KREIDER!  
dpinzow : 12/3/2016 3:20 pm : link
3-2 blueshirts
Hang on to your hat ...  
Stufftherun : 12/3/2016 3:21 pm : link
panic at the disco time.
Don't know what  
Kyle in NY : 12/3/2016 3:22 pm : link
the numbers say (probably not great) but to my eye Girardi has had a solid bounceback game

Now don't go into the shell again, this has been better play here in the 3rd
Whoooooooo  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 3:28 pm : link
!!
loleighton.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/3/2016 3:28 pm : link
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KREIDER!  
dpinzow : 12/3/2016 3:28 pm : link
4-2 blueshirts
was NOT looking forward to empty net 6 on 5  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2016 3:29 pm : link
YES
Krediah again!  
Deej : 12/3/2016 3:29 pm : link
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Nice to see CK  
Stufftherun : 12/3/2016 3:30 pm : link
let 'er rip!
After a slow start points-wise  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 3:31 pm : link
Steps is really starting to fill it up
Build on that 3rd period!  
Kyle in NY : 12/3/2016 3:37 pm : link
Can't underestimate how big the loss of Zibanejad and Buch has been. Just stack as many point as possible in the meantime. Defense had a better game too.
That 3rd period  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 3:39 pm : link
Was probably the best hockey I've watched them play since mid-November
We'd been missing  
Phil in LA : 12/3/2016 4:25 pm : link
Kreider as much as Mika and Buch. Maybe he can tip things back the other way.
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BrettNYG10 : 12/3/2016 4:31 pm : link
#NYR have tallied at least 95 goals in the first 26 games of one season for the first time since 1993-94. #NYR90
RE: That 3rd period  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2016 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13245444 bigbluehoya said:
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Was probably the best hockey I've watched them play since mid-November
Tip of the cap to the OP.

To your 3:06, for sure, and seems to me a main factor was the forwards were not buried so deep, positioned themselves higher and ripe for the breakout and cross ice or center ice pass. I'm not sure why they were able to start higher in their own end, or why stuck so deep in the first two and against Sabres, but the play of the back line has to factor in. And not for nothing, while the Rangers did not play well in Buffalo (only 1 goal in loss to Bruins today), seemed to me the Sabres were flat out flying.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 12/3/2016 6:51 pm : link
CHP, re: your 1:56, I don't recall that play specifically. I have a friend who plays net and does shit like that sometimes (he played one of the lower divisions in college hockey).

I'm always curious about reading the debates on goaltenders and their declines - I've seen people who have played the position argue both sides of the Lundqvist decline argument (that he should have a longer peak because he's so good positionally, and the other being that he will have a sharper one because he relies on his reflexes). I don't really know enough to comment. Some games he looks 'off' (and I could be totally wrong). Sometimes it might be the way the ice was cut or something, though, so I tend not to read into these things too much. Your post is interesting, though.
In the last couple of games  
bigbluehoya : 12/3/2016 6:57 pm : link
I agree with your observation that he's kinda been all over the place.

Maybe I'm just noticing it more for some reason, but I've been surprised. By the number of times Ive seen him with his inside shoulder wider than the post (I.e. He moves so far left that his right shoulder is outside of the left post, and vice versa).

I probably did a really shitty job of verbalizing that thought.
just got back from seeing "Manchester By the Sea"  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2016 11:13 pm : link
Casey Affleck and Michelle Williams, very, very good, but very wrenching, needed a couple of drinks after.

Just another thought on Henrik, 'Canes' 2nd goal this afternoon, on which it appeared from the behind-the-net cam that there was a fairly good line of vision, and maybe slight deflection off Kreider's skate; then the first Sabre's goal Thursday, and others doing back a few weeks, long shots, and it seems Henrik is having difficulty picking them up--a serious question: should he get his vision checked out? I don't know if he wears contacts, but he's at an age when changes can occur.

Sigh, I yearn for the days of Rogie Vachon, pre-butterfly, lol.
Pretty sure their second goal was deflected off a ranger  
MetsAreBack : 12/3/2016 11:40 pm : link
Watching the highlights we really caught some breaks with Toronto for once. First one was borderline and the officials on the ice ruled no goal - surprising overturn. But the grabner goal wasn't all that close (I can't stand that dumb ass rule oh by the way - worse penalties are missed or called everyday setting up power plays with more effect on goals than a half step offsides) - but rules by the dumb shits are still rules and grabner was clearly offsides.
for people here enjoying the season, check this  
SethFromAstoria : 12/4/2016 12:56 am : link
Corey Pronman@coreypronman

NYR D prospect Sergei Zborovskiy with a 7(!!) point night in the WHL vs. Prince Albert. Potential WJC bound.
RE: The Girardi special  
SethFromAstoria : 12/4/2016 12:59 am : link
In comment 13245340 Anakim said:
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Snow angel



which occurs more. ? its like a blind squirrel finding a nut.
Buch out a couple more weeks per the Post  
MetsAreBack : 12/5/2016 9:56 am : link

Well, WTF.... he's too young for this shit.
RE: Buch out a couple more weeks per the Post  
Anakim : 12/5/2016 11:11 am : link
In comment 13249526 MetsAreBack said:
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Well, WTF.... he's too young for this shit.


Fuck.


Also, Hrivik recalled
Weird way to report on Buch  
Deej : 12/5/2016 12:04 pm : link
You'd think you'd report that as news itself, not mention it as an aside. Not reported elsewhere, so not sure what to make of it.

Weirdly Grabner is skating as the extra skater at practice, on the 4th pair with Clendo.
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BrettNYG10 : 12/5/2016 1:03 pm : link
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Sean Day - ( New Window )
RE: Weird way to report on Buch  
Anakim : 12/5/2016 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13249980 Deej said:
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You'd think you'd report that as news itself, not mention it as an aside. Not reported elsewhere, so not sure what to make of it.

Weirdly Grabner is skating as the extra skater at practice, on the 4th pair with Clendo.


Grabner is out tomorrow. Death in the family.
Well thats great news  
MetsAreBack : 12/5/2016 1:27 pm : link
in fairness, it would have been cruel though to unleash Grabs on the old team that gave up on him.
10-8-18 so far for Day this year in 22 games  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2016 1:56 pm : link
He only scored 6-16-22 in 57 games last season
The AHL will do a ton of good for Day  
Deej : 12/5/2016 2:02 pm : link
He needs to be in an environment where playing the right way is more important than winning, and he isnt a super vital piece. Essentially a place where he can be bench if he doesnt play hard. Because that's really his only problem -- there isnt enough urgency in his game. Sometimes he looks like he's playing at 75% effort, even when it's a highlight.
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