...this off-season?
As of now, he has 50 tackles and 7 sacks. That projects to roughly 70 tackles and 10 sacks for the season. He also has 8 passes defensed, 3 forced fumbles and 22.5 hurries.
For comparisons, last year, Vernon had 61 and 7.5 and got that massive contract we all know about. He also had a bunch of hurries.
JPP is currently 27 so still very much in his prime. His numbers aren't JJ Watt eye-popping, but I think he's certainly playing at a high level and maybe just at or just below Pro-Bowl level (maybe I'm being a homer).
Does he stand to get a bonanza?
JPP will be 28 in several weeks
JPP, sans a total meltdown, is getting Vernon dollars. Whether it's from the Giants or someone else remains to be seen.
Hindsight being 20/20, the Giants would have been so much better off having given him that 10-12 mil a year contract he wanted 2 years ago. I still am a bit leery about his enthusiasm year in year out, but there's no denying that he is far better than anything else we've produced or acquired (jury being out on Vernon because of an alleged injury)
Agreed..Our team with OV on one side, OO and RO on the other with our anchors in the middle will survive..We'll draft well and sign FAs as needed..JPP will not cause this D to collapse.If we sign him and let Hankins go, I'll be super, super pissed..Keep both or let JPP go if he expects the moon.
drafting someone or using OO or RO opposite Vernon has flashbacks for me of last year with Ayers on one side before JPP returned. Awful.
Tough to see their future as of yet, but possibility exists that they actually don't have one in the NFL...
drafting someone or using OO or RO opposite Vernon has flashbacks for me of last year with Ayers on one side before JPP returned. Awful.
I have a problem with HUGE guaranteed money for JPP. If it's doable and will allow us to re-sign Hankins and other OL FAs(if young and available), that's fine..Minority opinion or not, I don't believe he will perform well AFTER he gets the big bucks..I'm not a fan of JPP, that's no secret, but I certainly wouldn't cut off my nose to spite my face. If he can be signed for non-sky high dollars, then go for it..
Tough to see their future as of yet, but possibility exists that they actually don't have one in the NFL...
I just said I could live with it, if I, as a fan, had to..I also said that this D, with other parts remaining in place and continual upgrades, will not die/collapse if JPP walks.
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need a "championship" D before ELi's window closes.
drafting someone or using OO or RO opposite Vernon has flashbacks for me of last year with Ayers on one side before JPP returned. Awful.
I have a problem with HUGE guaranteed money for JPP. If it's doable and will allow us to re-sign Hankins and other OL FAs(if young and available), that's fine..Minority opinion or not, I don't believe he will perform well AFTER he gets the big bucks..I'm not a fan of JPP, that's no secret, but I certainly wouldn't cut off my nose to spite my face. If he can be signed for non-sky high dollars, then go for it..
Nothing is guaranteed (no pun intended), but I believe the fireworks incident humbled him if you believe him and have listened to any interviews he's given.
I have no problem with 40-50M guaranteed to him though I'd front load it to the extent possible.
The defense is really just a player or two away from being legit elite IMO and I hate going into the draft saying "we'll draft position X in the first round or rely on the drafted player to start" even if that's the case, it's a crapshoot.
The Giants should use the tag if they have to, but it's not the first choice IMO.
Giants will need to tag him or get real about a contract and that may be hard. Having Odell at a bargain price for two more years may need to stay the case as qb and ends and Jenkins add up to a big cap number.
Hard to gauge sincerity, but listen to him talk about his appreciation for his blind father sine his incident. words are words, but since his return he's seemed like a completely changed player and his words indicate a humility most pro athletes don't have.
He'd be a core player on my team and one I'd build around.
Of course you'd have to make it work financially and there is a point where I'd say not worth it, but the numbers I've been mentioning are a no-brainer IMO.
Giants will need to tag him or get real about a contract and that may be hard. Having Odell at a bargain price for two more years may need to stay the case as qb and ends and Jenkins add up to a big cap number.
Yeah, I see a tag on the horizon as a possibility or even a probability. It gives them another year to see if this year was a huge contract drive on his part or legit. Can't they always tag him after next year as well? I know it doesn't help the cap with a FT hit, but at least we don't have to guarantee huge bucks, even as a front load
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He will clear 14 million annually book it. Whether as a Giant or elsewhere.
Giants will need to tag him or get real about a contract and that may be hard. Having Odell at a bargain price for two more years may need to stay the case as qb and ends and Jenkins add up to a big cap number.
Yeah, I see a tag on the horizon as a possibility or even a probability. It gives them another year to see if this year was a huge contract drive on his part or legit. Can't they always tag him after next year as well? I know it doesn't help the cap with a FT hit, but at least we don't have to guarantee huge bucks, even as a front load
If they tag him two years in a row it's the equivalent of like 35M guaranteed.
Why not just give him 45 - 50M guaranteed, front load it to an extent, and potentially have him for 5 years instead of the two.
let JPP go, and we have one decent DE and then absolutely nothing. JPP and Vernon aren't playing 90 + percent of snaps because we're saving the backups for the playoffs.
I'm not advocating paying JPP whatever he wants, because like BB'56, I'm not convinced he's worth it or that he'll have the same enthusiasm once signed. But, without him there's a huge, huge hole on a very critical part of our defense. IF you can get him at Vernon dollars, you've got to think about it.
Hopefully, with the readjustment of the draft committee, we'll be able to draft a cheaper alternative, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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I would think we would have to go DE with first round pick as we cannot rely upon either of these two guys being the de facto starter opposite Vernon.
Tough to see their future as of yet, but possibility exists that they actually don't have one in the NFL...
I just said I could live with it, if I, as a fan, had to..I also said that this D, with other parts remaining in place and continual upgrades, will not die/collapse if JPP walks.
My point is I don't think we can live with it BB56. We don't have effective pass rushers from DTs or LBs, so will need somebody reliable opposite Vernon. OO/RO could be a fatal flaw.
They already invested heavily in Snacks. You can't keep everybody, and JPP is clearly the better player. This is a pretty dumb reason to get on Reese's ass about.
I'm not making any predictions or anything. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Maybe Cruz or Eli can take a paycut (doubtful). Hopefully, the cap increases again. That would help, too.