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College Playoff Selection

Joey from GlenCove : 12/4/2016 10:01 am
I don't watch much college football but I find the upcoming selection show very interesting.

1. Does the selection committee go conservative and chose
Bama
Osu
Wash
Clemson

2. 2 big 10 teams
Bama
Osu
Mich/penn
Clemson

Wash gets knocked for poor schedule

3. Conference champ winners
Bama
Penn
Clemson
Wash


Are the best teams in football?
Bama
Mich
Osu
USC


Is there another possible combo?


Did the sec have a down year, big 10 much better?


This is all interesting to the casual fan like myself.
I don't believe teams should get dropped for winning  
Patrick77 : 12/4/2016 10:08 am : link
So the top 4 likely won't change at all. Maybe Washington and Clemson switch spots.

The SEC was way down this year, it's basically Alabama and then a bunch of teams who in other conferences might be 3rd or 4th. It still has depth just not the kind of depth they used to. There were years where Arkansas for example likely would have hammered most of the ACC or various other conferences but had no shot in the SEC. This year it is just Alabama.

It would be cool if the championships meant a spot to the playoff but in order to do that and still always get the best teams the playoff needs expanded IMO.
RE: I don't believe teams should get dropped for winning  
Joey from GlenCove : 12/4/2016 10:10 am : link
In comment 13245878 Patrick77 said:
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So the top 4 likely won't change at all. Maybe Washington and Clemson switch spots.

The SEC was way down this year, it's basically Alabama and then a bunch of teams who in other conferences might be 3rd or 4th. It still has depth just not the kind of depth they used to. There were years where Arkansas for example likely would have hammered most of the ACC or various other conferences but had no shot in the SEC. This year it is just Alabama.

It would be cool if the championships meant a spot to the playoff but in order to do that and still always get the best teams the playoff needs expanded IMO.


Agree a simple fix is champ winners of big10, big 12 ,pac ,sec ,acc and 3 at large teams.
this to me is why college football  
TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 10:10 am : link
will always be second tier relative to the NFL. these voting processes, whether it was the BCS before or this new playoff, predominantly turns the whole thing into a figure skating competition with subjective voting on which teams look prettiest.

hey you know what would be fun? put the whole AFC west in the playoffs, you know they sure as shit deserve it over any AFC south team...yet that's why there are divisions. you win your division (even with a fucking 7-9 record) and you're in.

while i realize that the # of teams in college dwarves that of the NFL by 3-4X, it's pretty clear that there are major conferences. so set up a system where each major conference is forced into having a conference championship and conference champions get playoff berths.

from there, maybe add a couple of wild cards etc. then it becomes pretty clear - like most actual sports - that if you win your division/conference, you have earned the right to win a championship.

not this horseshit where PSU (however you may think about the school doesn't matter right now...), they won their conference and they have to sweat out knowing that another team *in their conference*, who they beat no less, would get the opportunity to play for a national title while not even EARNING the right to play lastnight.

what a joke.
the underlying problem in the big 10  
dep026 : 12/4/2016 10:16 am : link
Is there are too many teams. 14 teams means you do not play 4 league opponents. Plus, the division alignments are drastically 1 sides. Now penn state deserves the title because of only 1 loss and beating OSU., thrn besting a 2nd tier team in the championship... but whose to say they win against UW in the regular season? Plus the 40 point wallop doesn't help their resume.

It could be argued that Penn state is the third best team in the big 10, and if they get in over OSU.... then shame on the big 10. They created this madness.
Extend the playoff to 8 teams  
RobCarpenter : 12/4/2016 10:27 am : link
so what if the Marylands of the world don't go to bowl games as a result.

Also, fuck the refs in the Ohio State/Michigan game.
Same four teams.  
Crispino : 12/4/2016 10:27 am : link
Nobody lost. Why would it change now?
RE: Same four teams.  
jeff57 : 12/4/2016 10:32 am : link
In comment 13245903 Crispino said:
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Nobody lost. Why would it change now?

Probably true. OSU may drop behind Clemson, but the only difference that would make is who gets to wear the home jersey.
I have Washington out  
Carson53 : 12/4/2016 10:46 am : link
and now Penn State in, even though I find it difficult to
really say that. There are two universities I cannot
pull for anymore: Penn State and Baylor!
Has to be the same four.  
section125 : 12/4/2016 10:56 am : link
Despite the PSU win, does anyone really think PSU is better than Michigan who destroyed them or OSU. Michigan can't be in because of the 2 OT loss on a very controversial call. You could argue that PSU beat OSU, but it is a weak argument because of the shellacking from UM.

1.) Alabama
2.) Clemson
3.) OSU
4.) Washington (by far the weakest team.)

Just outside:
5.) Michigan
6.) PSU
RE: Has to be the same four.  
Carson53 : 12/4/2016 11:18 am : link
In comment 13245935 section125 said:
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Despite the PSU win, does anyone really think PSU is better than Michigan who destroyed them or OSU. Michigan can't be in because of the 2 OT loss on a very controversial call. You could argue that PSU beat OSU, but it is a weak argument because of the shellacking from UM.

1.) Alabama
2.) Clemson
3.) OSU
4.) Washington (by far the weakest team.)


Just outside:
5.) Michigan
6.) PSU


They don't have to better than Michigan, just like real estate, timing is everything. It's the final poll too!
Clemson  
Carl in CT : 12/4/2016 11:20 am : link
Is the worst team of the bunch. I'd leave them out.
Tell me one tough opponent that  
Carl in CT : 12/4/2016 11:22 am : link
Clemson beat? Louisville (barley), FL State (barely) vA Tech (barely) they are not good.
So beating good teams is a bad thing?  
Patrick77 : 12/4/2016 11:27 am : link
Clemson is a major conference champion with 1 loss. Pretty easy decision. Their one loss is to pitt by 1 point who also beat Pedophile U.

Clemson is a lock.
RE: Tell me one tough opponent that  
section125 : 12/4/2016 11:47 am : link
In comment 13245961 Carl in CT said:
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Clemson beat? Louisville (barley), FL State (barely) vA Tech (barely) they are not good.


The way FSU is playing now, they wouldn't show badly against any of the top 4, except Alabama.
RE: RE: Has to be the same four.  
section125 : 12/4/2016 11:51 am : link
In comment 13245959 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13245935 section125 said:


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Despite the PSU win, does anyone really think PSU is better than Michigan who destroyed them or OSU. Michigan can't be in because of the 2 OT loss on a very controversial call. You could argue that PSU beat OSU, but it is a weak argument because of the shellacking from UM.

1.) Alabama
2.) Clemson
3.) OSU
4.) Washington (by far the weakest team.)


Just outside:
5.) Michigan
6.) PSU



They don't have to better than Michigan, just like real estate, timing is everything. It's the final poll too!


You are correct, timing is everything, which is really a more fair way to do this - but would PSU beat UM right now or OSU? IDK.
RE: Clemson  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/4/2016 11:52 am : link
In comment 13245960 Carl in CT said:
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Is the worst team of the bunch. I'd leave them out.


ACC is tied for second strongest conference win percentage with .600 win percentage the BIG is ahead of them, but the ACC played 20 games out of conference compared to the BIGs 13.

BIG 12 was the worst and the SEC was second worst.

Win percentage out of conference - ( New Window )
RE: So beating good teams is a bad thing?  
dep026 : 12/4/2016 11:54 am : link
In comment 13245967 Patrick77 said:
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Clemson is a major conference champion with 1 loss. Pretty easy decision. Their one loss is to pitt by 1 point who also beat Pedophile U.

Clemson is a lock.


I agree that clemson is not playing too well which is shocking since they have a boatload of talent... but they are a lock though.
Clemson is not as good as they were last year....  
Crispino : 12/4/2016 12:00 pm : link
But at their best, when Deshaun Watson is on, they are one of the next best 3 teams after Alabama.
How long are they going to drag this thing out  
jeff57 : 12/4/2016 12:27 pm : link
.
. . . .  
jeff57 : 12/4/2016 12:32 pm : link
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Washington

As I thought, they flipped Clemson and OSU
Here we go  
dpinzow : 12/4/2016 12:32 pm : link
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Washington

5. Penn State
6. Michigan
They got it  
dep026 : 12/4/2016 12:35 pm : link
Right.

Fuck wilton speight.
I know they'll probably never go to an 8 team playoff  
nyjuggernaut2 : 12/4/2016 12:54 pm : link
but check out what the matchups would've looked like had it been an 8 team pool...

#1 Alabama vs #8 USC
#2 Clemson vs #7 Oklahoma
#3 Ohio St. vs #6 Michigan
#4 Wash. vs #5 Penn St

Fun games across the board, and more excitement than what we have right now (sorry but Bama v Washington doesn't intrigue me)
PSU beats OSU, and wins the Big Ten  
PatersonPlank : 12/4/2016 12:59 pm : link
yet sits out while OSU goes. What a crock.
Penn State  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/4/2016 1:22 pm : link
lost at Pitt (good, not great team) and lost by 40 points to Michigan. They get no sympathy from me. A 40-point loss is an absolute embarrassment, and it was to a team left out of the playoffs.

Perhaps the most cited computer model is Jeff Sagarin's and he has PSU at 6. Ken Massey has them at 5.

It hasn't been updated, but the composite that Massey compiles of ~120 different computer models had Penn State at 8 after last week (will be higher when updated after beating Wisconsin and Colorado losing).

The AP has Penn State at 5.

I just don't see the argument for Penn State to make the playoffs.
RE: Penn State  
TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13246100 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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lost at Pitt (good, not great team) and lost by 40 points to Michigan. They get no sympathy from me. A 40-point loss is an absolute embarrassment, and it was to a team left out of the playoffs.

Perhaps the most cited computer model is Jeff Sagarin's and he has PSU at 6. Ken Massey has them at 5.

It hasn't been updated, but the composite that Massey compiles of ~120 different computer models had Penn State at 8 after last week (will be higher when updated after beating Wisconsin and Colorado losing).

The AP has Penn State at 5.

I just don't see the argument for Penn State to make the playoffs.


um because they won their fucking conference? and beat the team representing their conference in the playoff?

this system is a joke. why do conferences exist? if you're just going to ignore them, then these conference championships mean jack shit also. if winning your conference doesn't matter, then let everyone just be Notre Dame and continue on with the beauty pageant method of choosing teams to play for a national title.

ironically, it was king Urban Meyer in '06 who claimed if you can't win your conference, how do you justify fighting for a national title.

what a fucking sham college football is
Beating #9 Colorado by 31 prevented Washington from getting screwed  
njm : 12/4/2016 1:58 pm : link
And PSU got into the B1G title game via a tiebreaker rather than a better record. If you're going to argue a 2 loss team should go you have a better case for Michigan, based on who they lost to and the fact they didn't get blown out by 30+.
TexasGmenFan  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/4/2016 2:00 pm : link
It'll be ok, buddy.
Oh, and go Bucks  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/4/2016 2:01 pm : link
There are 4 teams that have 1 loss or less. Those are the 4 teams in the Top 4.

This isn't that complicated or controversial. These are the 4 teams that should be there..
RE: TexasGmenFan  
TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13246125 Mike in Long Beach said:
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It'll be ok, buddy.


ha. i have no horse in the race dude. i'm a longhorns fan and just a fan of the sport itself. it's just mind-boggling to me that for as popular as college football is, they can't figure out a good systematic way to determine its champion.

it may as well be figure skating with pads, and luckily for OSU, the judges thought they were prettier this year.
Was pretty evident how it would play out last night  
B in ALB : 12/4/2016 2:22 pm : link
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Clemson will jump Ohio State
B in ALB : 12:09 am : link : reply
And that's it.
New Year's Six bowls  
dpinzow : 12/4/2016 2:44 pm : link
Rose: Penn State vs. USC
Sugar: Oklahoma vs. Auburn
Cotton: W. Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Orange: Michigan vs. Florida State

Have to admit, PSU-USC and Michigan/FSU are more interesting than the playoff matchups
As for how I think those games will go  
dpinzow : 12/4/2016 2:47 pm : link
Michigan should beat FSU, but it will be a good game
Wisconsin will humiliate Western Michigan
Oklahoma should beat Auburn, but they might not care since they believe they should be in the playoff

PSU/USC is a complete tossup and will be extremely entertaining
Very  
Jon in NYC : 12/4/2016 2:47 pm : link
stoked to get a NY6 bowl.
RE: Penn State  
jeff57 : 12/4/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13246100 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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lost at Pitt (good, not great team) and lost by 40 points to Michigan. They get no sympathy from me. A 40-point loss is an absolute embarrassment, and it was to a team left out of the playoffs.

Perhaps the most cited computer model is Jeff Sagarin's and he has PSU at 6. Ken Massey has them at 5.

It hasn't been updated, but the composite that Massey compiles of ~120 different computer models had Penn State at 8 after last week (will be higher when updated after beating Wisconsin and Colorado losing).

The AP has Penn State at 5.

I just don't see the argument for Penn State to make the playoffs.

Agree I think the committee got it right.
Conference championships matter  
Kyle in NY : 12/4/2016 3:02 pm : link
but they are not the sole factor. And it's not enough to overcome a team with a better resume otherwise. Last two years, they were the difference in each team getting in. This year, not so much. Just how it goes. Lose two games, you're not getting in.
sorry to the buckeyes fans  
mdc1 : 12/4/2016 3:32 pm : link
but Penn St should really go ahead of them considering they beat them and won the conference championship. Most of the sports writers have an incredible bias for Ohio St and have for decades, so not surprising what we are seeing. Not saying they are not a playoff capable team but seriously? You have a B10 champion and they are not going?
No mention of how TCU  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/4/2016 4:05 pm : link
Got hopped 2 years ago by eventual Champ Ohio State because they won their conference, yet they had the ugliest loss of any team playing by losing to my Hokies. How does the championship game matter in that instance enough to have them jump 2 spots to get into the playoffs, but now all of sudden it no longer matters if you lose your game.

There should be a legit points system to determine championships. Every out of conference game should have points accociated with it. Conference games all count the same. Ranked teams give you more points. It would put a 1 loss team like OSu in the conference game.
RE: No mention of how TCU  
mdc1 : 12/4/2016 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13246294 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Got hopped 2 years ago by eventual Champ Ohio State because they won their conference, yet they had the ugliest loss of any team playing by losing to my Hokies. How does the championship game matter in that instance enough to have them jump 2 spots to get into the playoffs, but now all of sudden it no longer matters if you lose your game.

There should be a legit points system to determine championships. Every out of conference game should have points accociated with it. Conference games all count the same. Ranked teams give you more points. It would put a 1 loss team like OSu in the conference game.


This more of chicanery that went one before BCS in which the Big10 and Pac10 would collude with the sports writers and journalists to influence the rankings to always position the national championship through the Rose Bowl. More of the same, just new day and scheme. I kind of wonder about Ohio St offense. It seems pretty impotent against good teams when they are not blowing out the bums on their annual schedule.
RE: RE: Penn State  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/4/2016 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13246117 TexasGmenFan said:
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In comment 13246100 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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lost at Pitt (good, not great team) and lost by 40 points to Michigan. They get no sympathy from me. A 40-point loss is an absolute embarrassment, and it was to a team left out of the playoffs.

Perhaps the most cited computer model is Jeff Sagarin's and he has PSU at 6. Ken Massey has them at 5.

It hasn't been updated, but the composite that Massey compiles of ~120 different computer models had Penn State at 8 after last week (will be higher when updated after beating Wisconsin and Colorado losing).

The AP has Penn State at 5.

I just don't see the argument for Penn State to make the playoffs.



um because they won their fucking conference? and beat the team representing their conference in the playoff?

this system is a joke. why do conferences exist? if you're just going to ignore them, then these conference championships mean jack shit also. if winning your conference doesn't matter, then let everyone just be Notre Dame and continue on with the beauty pageant method of choosing teams to play for a national title.

ironically, it was king Urban Meyer in '06 who claimed if you can't win your conference, how do you justify fighting for a national title.

what a fucking sham college football is


According to your argument, If Penn State lost all three non-conference games, then they would have been a 9-4 team who should have been in the playoffs because, and I quote, "um because they won their fucking conference? and beat the team representing their conference in the playoff?"

It's great that Penn State won its conference, but that only counts for so much. The size of the conference caused imbalanced schedules and so the result of winning the conference championship game is less impressive than actaully looking at the resume and the performance in the games that led to that result.

Also, how can you just ignore the non-conference?

There are 128 Division 1 football teams playing all different schedules. Simply saying that a team won a certain conference championship game and therefore deserves to be in the four-team playoffs conveniently ignores the harder task of trying to figure out the four most deserving teams.

Penn State lost by nearly SIX touchdowns to Michigan. Acting as if it is shocking or disgraceful that Penn State didn't make the playoffs doesn't make sense.
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