I don't watch much college football but I find the upcoming selection show very interesting.
1. Does the selection committee go conservative and chose
Bama
Osu
Wash
Clemson
2. 2 big 10 teams
Bama
Osu
Mich/penn
Clemson
Wash gets knocked for poor schedule
3. Conference champ winners
Bama
Penn
Clemson
Wash
Are the best teams in football?
Bama
Mich
Osu
USC
Is there another possible combo?
Did the sec have a down year, big 10 much better?
This is all interesting to the casual fan like myself.
The SEC was way down this year, it's basically Alabama and then a bunch of teams who in other conferences might be 3rd or 4th. It still has depth just not the kind of depth they used to. There were years where Arkansas for example likely would have hammered most of the ACC or various other conferences but had no shot in the SEC. This year it is just Alabama.
It would be cool if the championships meant a spot to the playoff but in order to do that and still always get the best teams the playoff needs expanded IMO.
The SEC was way down this year, it's basically Alabama and then a bunch of teams who in other conferences might be 3rd or 4th. It still has depth just not the kind of depth they used to. There were years where Arkansas for example likely would have hammered most of the ACC or various other conferences but had no shot in the SEC. This year it is just Alabama.
It would be cool if the championships meant a spot to the playoff but in order to do that and still always get the best teams the playoff needs expanded IMO.
Agree a simple fix is champ winners of big10, big 12 ,pac ,sec ,acc and 3 at large teams.
hey you know what would be fun? put the whole AFC west in the playoffs, you know they sure as shit deserve it over any AFC south team...yet that's why there are divisions. you win your division (even with a fucking 7-9 record) and you're in.
while i realize that the # of teams in college dwarves that of the NFL by 3-4X, it's pretty clear that there are major conferences. so set up a system where each major conference is forced into having a conference championship and conference champions get playoff berths.
from there, maybe add a couple of wild cards etc. then it becomes pretty clear - like most actual sports - that if you win your division/conference, you have earned the right to win a championship.
not this horseshit where PSU (however you may think about the school doesn't matter right now...), they won their conference and they have to sweat out knowing that another team *in their conference*, who they beat no less, would get the opportunity to play for a national title while not even EARNING the right to play lastnight.
what a joke.
It could be argued that Penn state is the third best team in the big 10, and if they get in over OSU.... then shame on the big 10. They created this madness.
Also, fuck the refs in the Ohio State/Michigan game.
Probably true. OSU may drop behind Clemson, but the only difference that would make is who gets to wear the home jersey.
really say that. There are two universities I cannot
pull for anymore: Penn State and Baylor!
1.) Alabama
2.) Clemson
3.) OSU
4.) Washington (by far the weakest team.)
Just outside:
5.) Michigan
6.) PSU
1.) Alabama
2.) Clemson
3.) OSU
4.) Washington (by far the weakest team.)
Just outside:
5.) Michigan
6.) PSU
They don't have to better than Michigan, just like real estate, timing is everything. It's the final poll too!
Clemson is a lock.
The way FSU is playing now, they wouldn't show badly against any of the top 4, except Alabama.
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Despite the PSU win, does anyone really think PSU is better than Michigan who destroyed them or OSU. Michigan can't be in because of the 2 OT loss on a very controversial call. You could argue that PSU beat OSU, but it is a weak argument because of the shellacking from UM.
1.) Alabama
2.) Clemson
3.) OSU
4.) Washington (by far the weakest team.)
Just outside:
5.) Michigan
6.) PSU
They don't have to better than Michigan, just like real estate, timing is everything. It's the final poll too!
You are correct, timing is everything, which is really a more fair way to do this - but would PSU beat UM right now or OSU? IDK.
ACC is tied for second strongest conference win percentage with .600 win percentage the BIG is ahead of them, but the ACC played 20 games out of conference compared to the BIGs 13.
BIG 12 was the worst and the SEC was second worst.
Win percentage out of conference - ( New Window )
Clemson is a lock.
I agree that clemson is not playing too well which is shocking since they have a boatload of talent... but they are a lock though.
Clemson
Ohio State
Washington
As I thought, they flipped Clemson and OSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Washington
5. Penn State
6. Michigan
Fuck wilton speight.
#1 Alabama vs #8 USC
#2 Clemson vs #7 Oklahoma
#3 Ohio St. vs #6 Michigan
#4 Wash. vs #5 Penn St
Fun games across the board, and more excitement than what we have right now (sorry but Bama v Washington doesn't intrigue me)
Perhaps the most cited computer model is Jeff Sagarin's and he has PSU at 6. Ken Massey has them at 5.
It hasn't been updated, but the composite that Massey compiles of ~120 different computer models had Penn State at 8 after last week (will be higher when updated after beating Wisconsin and Colorado losing).
The AP has Penn State at 5.
I just don't see the argument for Penn State to make the playoffs.
Perhaps the most cited computer model is Jeff Sagarin's and he has PSU at 6. Ken Massey has them at 5.
It hasn't been updated, but the composite that Massey compiles of ~120 different computer models had Penn State at 8 after last week (will be higher when updated after beating Wisconsin and Colorado losing).
The AP has Penn State at 5.
I just don't see the argument for Penn State to make the playoffs.
um because they won their fucking conference? and beat the team representing their conference in the playoff?
this system is a joke. why do conferences exist? if you're just going to ignore them, then these conference championships mean jack shit also. if winning your conference doesn't matter, then let everyone just be Notre Dame and continue on with the beauty pageant method of choosing teams to play for a national title.
ironically, it was king Urban Meyer in '06 who claimed if you can't win your conference, how do you justify fighting for a national title.
what a fucking sham college football is
This isn't that complicated or controversial. These are the 4 teams that should be there..
ha. i have no horse in the race dude. i'm a longhorns fan and just a fan of the sport itself. it's just mind-boggling to me that for as popular as college football is, they can't figure out a good systematic way to determine its champion.
it may as well be figure skating with pads, and luckily for OSU, the judges thought they were prettier this year.
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And that's it.
Sugar: Oklahoma vs. Auburn
Cotton: W. Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Orange: Michigan vs. Florida State
Have to admit, PSU-USC and Michigan/FSU are more interesting than the playoff matchups
Wisconsin will humiliate Western Michigan
Oklahoma should beat Auburn, but they might not care since they believe they should be in the playoff
PSU/USC is a complete tossup and will be extremely entertaining
Perhaps the most cited computer model is Jeff Sagarin's and he has PSU at 6. Ken Massey has them at 5.
It hasn't been updated, but the composite that Massey compiles of ~120 different computer models had Penn State at 8 after last week (will be higher when updated after beating Wisconsin and Colorado losing).
The AP has Penn State at 5.
I just don't see the argument for Penn State to make the playoffs.
Agree I think the committee got it right.
There should be a legit points system to determine championships. Every out of conference game should have points accociated with it. Conference games all count the same. Ranked teams give you more points. It would put a 1 loss team like OSu in the conference game.
There should be a legit points system to determine championships. Every out of conference game should have points accociated with it. Conference games all count the same. Ranked teams give you more points. It would put a 1 loss team like OSu in the conference game.
This more of chicanery that went one before BCS in which the Big10 and Pac10 would collude with the sports writers and journalists to influence the rankings to always position the national championship through the Rose Bowl. More of the same, just new day and scheme. I kind of wonder about Ohio St offense. It seems pretty impotent against good teams when they are not blowing out the bums on their annual schedule.
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lost at Pitt (good, not great team) and lost by 40 points to Michigan. They get no sympathy from me. A 40-point loss is an absolute embarrassment, and it was to a team left out of the playoffs.
Perhaps the most cited computer model is Jeff Sagarin's and he has PSU at 6. Ken Massey has them at 5.
It hasn't been updated, but the composite that Massey compiles of ~120 different computer models had Penn State at 8 after last week (will be higher when updated after beating Wisconsin and Colorado losing).
The AP has Penn State at 5.
I just don't see the argument for Penn State to make the playoffs.
um because they won their fucking conference? and beat the team representing their conference in the playoff?
this system is a joke. why do conferences exist? if you're just going to ignore them, then these conference championships mean jack shit also. if winning your conference doesn't matter, then let everyone just be Notre Dame and continue on with the beauty pageant method of choosing teams to play for a national title.
ironically, it was king Urban Meyer in '06 who claimed if you can't win your conference, how do you justify fighting for a national title.
what a fucking sham college football is
According to your argument, If Penn State lost all three non-conference games, then they would have been a 9-4 team who should have been in the playoffs because, and I quote, "um because they won their fucking conference? and beat the team representing their conference in the playoff?"
It's great that Penn State won its conference, but that only counts for so much. The size of the conference caused imbalanced schedules and so the result of winning the conference championship game is less impressive than actaully looking at the resume and the performance in the games that led to that result.
Also, how can you just ignore the non-conference?
There are 128 Division 1 football teams playing all different schedules. Simply saying that a team won a certain conference championship game and therefore deserves to be in the four-team playoffs conveniently ignores the harder task of trying to figure out the four most deserving teams.
Penn State lost by nearly SIX touchdowns to Michigan. Acting as if it is shocking or disgraceful that Penn State didn't make the playoffs doesn't make sense.