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NFT: Sunday Morning Mets chat

DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 12:42 pm
-Rubin does not expect Kelly Johnson to return

-Tapia signs with The Reds, Puello to Texas

-Mets not expected to pursue "big ticket" relievers
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Alonso  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 5:23 pm : link
Drool...

Get used to it fellas lol
RE: Alonso  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13250806 Shecky said:
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Drool...

Get used to it fellas lol


Uh oh, Plawecki 2.0? lol
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 5:25 pm : link
Can't fault the Orioles for believing Brach + adding 10 million to payroll is an overpay when a guy like Holliday signed for 1 year 13 #Mets
sooo  
spike : 12/5/2016 8:39 pm : link
when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?
Not really caught up on this thread..  
arcarsenal : 12/5/2016 8:46 pm : link
But if Wade Davis is available, the Mets should make a play for him.
RE: sooo  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13251038 spike said:
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when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?


Career ban. Will never pitch for the Mets again.
Rosenthal says Nats close to getting Sale for Giolito + Robles  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 9:26 pm : link
that would be less than ideal, but their rotation is already filthy so for some reason it's not as terrifying as it could be.
RE: sooo  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13251038 spike said:
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when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?


Crossing the Ts and dotting the i's on the paperwork before they file that lawsuit against MLB lol. Any day now, any day
Would Matz, Conforto and a decent prospect  
bigblue12 : 12/5/2016 10:14 pm : link
Get Sale? If so, I'd do it to keep him away from the Nats. Sale is so good
So, Bruce is proving difficult to trade  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 7:46 am : link
Who would have guessed that last week lol
Gimme  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 7:53 am : link
something like Barnes and Maese for Bruce and move on. Barnes a local kid no less.
The only thing I can hope with sale  
bhill410 : 12/6/2016 8:46 am : link
Is that the drop in some of his peripherals plus some suspect arm history is a precursor for falling off a cliff with nationals. If him and Strasburg stay healthy all year we are screwed. It really chaps my buns that Mets could have drafted giolito but were too cheap or willing to wait.
There's a lot to complain about with drafts  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 9:06 am : link
Especially when using hindsight.
But passing on giolito is not one I'd lose sleep over.
The  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:11 am : link
best move is Bruce for prospects (let your scouts do their thing) and sign Ziegler. They clearly aren't going that route.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:15 am : link
Red Sox deal for unnamed Brewers reliever-Watch... the Red Sox just stole Thornburg who goes on to be dominant for them...
Yup Thornburg (per Rosenthal)  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:20 am : link
so far rumors say they gave up Shaw and their 22nd ranked prospect Josh Pennington.
Love  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:21 am : link
it for Boston. Fantastic move for that price. Damn.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:24 am : link
Very jealous of that Red Sox move #Mets
Thornburg  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 9:24 am : link
was dominant last year too, I wouldn't be surprised if he is again.
Haven't seen Toby Hyde write much lately but I wonder what comparable  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:27 am : link
offer would have. Seems like we had similar pieces to at least the first 2 rumored parts of the trade. Shaw seems like IF platoon fodder and Pennington sounds like a very talented pitcher who then underwent TJS. Flores + Molina Dan?
That  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:27 am : link
is just a great move for Boston. Solid but non-top prospects and Shaw (meh) for an 8th inning arm who is team controlled. MLB.com had them #12 and #22
2 years in a row Red Sox have made moves in BP I wish we'd made  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:28 am : link
Carson Smith last year, Thornburg this year.
That's a very good trade for both  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 9:31 am : link
Shaw wouldn't have been a bad fit for the Mets to be honest. And athornburg is a perfect fit for the Mets ;(
RE: That's a very good trade for both  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:35 am : link
In comment 13251420 Shecky said:
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Shaw wouldn't have been a bad fit for the Mets to be honest. And athornburg is a perfect fit for the Mets ;(


In Mets terms it's a great deal for the Red Sox. The Brewers are totally blowing it up so 3 young pitches for a reliever is fine but for the Sox they gave up some minor league "depth" for a 2017 potential difference maker who is controlled for the next 3 seasons. It's not a "bad" deal for the Brewers but in terms of the Mets it's a great move for Boston.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:55 am : link
Carig

For Mets, the returns for Bruce thus far are underwhelming, I hear. And no traction on Granderson talks. Mets really want to keep him.
RE: .  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 10:11 am : link
In comment 13251457 DanMetroMan said:
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Carig

For Mets, the returns for Bruce thus far are underwhelming, I hear. And no traction on Granderson talks. Mets really want to keep him.


Lol. These reporters are such puppets. Always late to the party.
The Red Sox probably traded Shaw because  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 10:19 am : link
they felt like the Panda has slimmed down in a major way (for now). No clue what he did, but he looks like he shed a person from the fat guy who busted his belt swinging the bat.



PJ  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 10:21 am : link
My guess is

1) They really liked Thornburg
2) As you stated Panda is in shape... for the time being
3) They have Moncada
4) Likely isn't too hard to find a Shaw type if need be.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 10:23 am : link
Ex-Met farm hand Casey Meisner made 19 starts.... he finished 1-14, eek
Orioles  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 11:14 am : link
and Trumbo meeting today, would likely close the door to a Mets OF/RP swap.
Forgot all about Panda  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 11:23 am : link
WOW!!!! He looks great, good for him.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:10 pm : link
J.P. (Springfield, IL): Thanks for chatting, Matt. How far off was Andres Gimenez, and are you reasonably confident he can remain at SS for the forseeable future?

Matt Eddy: We take our prospect rankings to 30 and beyond, as you know. So while Venezuelan SS Andres Gimenez didn't crack the top 10 (yet), he is prominently featured in the Prospect Handbook chapter. One of the top international talents available in 2015, he turned in an outstanding pro debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2016. Gimenez led the circuit in on-base percentage (.469) while ranking second in average (.350) and doubles (20). He can be a plus hitter with above-avg wheels and above-avg ability at shortstop.

Frank (Indianapolis IN): How many of these guys are likely to make the BA 100?

Matt Eddy: Amed Rosario and Dominic Smith are locks. Justin Dunn is probable. Desmond Lindsay is possible. I could construct cases for Brandon Nimmo, Gavin Cecchini, Robert Gsellman and even Thomas Szapucki, but I wouldn't count on them making it.
Tebow  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:27 pm : link
did not make the top 30..
RE: Tebow  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13252033 DanMetroMan said:
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did not make the top 30..


What do they do with him for 2017? Brooklyn? Cut him? Other?
RE: RE: Tebow  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13252046 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13252033 DanMetroMan said:


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did not make the top 30..



What do they do with him for 2017? Brooklyn? Cut him? Other?


Milk him for revenue. BK or Columbia
I wonder who asked and what they offered  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:54 pm : link
I like Gsellman, but still curious.

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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 7m7 minutes ago

Teams asked the Mets about Robert Gsellman and were told by Sandy Alderson the club has no intention of trading.
,  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:55 pm : link
Sounds like the low ranking for Szapucki relates to risk vs. stuff

Zac (NY): Hi Matt- I saw Szapucki pitch live a few times last season and he looked lights out. It was short season A ball of course, but do you think he has potential to be a top of the rotation guy? Do you have a comp for him/how he needs to develop?

Matt Eddy: From my Word doc to your computer screen: "He just looks like a front-line guy." That's what one pro scout said about LHP Thomas Szapucki based on his look in short-season ball this year. When a teen lefthander has two present plus pitches and a dominating performance, you have to take notice. Szapicki could shoot toward the top of this list next year if he can maintain his stuff and health over 20 starts in full-season ball in 2017. That's not exactly a given, though, because the Mets shut him down early in 2016 with a back issue, and his control needs work, as does his changeup.
They  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:55 pm : link
can't really afford to trade Gsellman with all of Wheeler, deGrom, Harvey, Matz all coming off injury/surgery and Colon gone.
RE: They  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13252094 DanMetroMan said:
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can't really afford to trade Gsellman with all of Wheeler, deGrom, Harvey, Matz all coming off injury/surgery and Colon gone.


I know, still curious to see who it was and what they were considering offering.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:02 pm : link
We have 0 catchers who hit in 2016, now we want to make room for both of them to play at the same time...? That's okay Terry.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:10 pm : link

Matt Eddy: Without hesitation, I would answer SS/2B Phillip Evans, who won the Eastern League batting title this year. That calls to mind Rangers 2B Odubel Herrera, who won a Double-A bating title in 2014, the year the Phillies Rule 5'd him. Evans has some gap power and a sound hitting approach, but he doesn't really run or draw walks. Lots of contact and positional versatility (he has the arm for SS and 3B) is what a team would be buying. The Mets left Evans off the 40-man because they have similar players already, such as Gavin Cecchini, Matt Reynolds and even T.J. Rivera. Some other Mets who might generate Rule 5 interest would be relievers Nabil Crismatt or Paul Sewald or possibly one-tool standouts like Champ Stuart (speed) or Travis Taijeron (power).
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:17 pm : link
Eddy not high on Lugo, would have him in the 20 range if he were eligible
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:43 pm : link
Eddy says the Mets system is "slightly" better than 15th in his eyes.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:45 pm : link

Billy (St. Lucie): In your opinion who would be the closest player comp for Rosario?

Matt Eddy: We have heard everything from Jose Iglesias to Elvis Andrus.
They are really  
Metnut : 12/6/2016 3:51 pm : link
going to expose Evans for Reynolds? Reynolds isn't even an MLB backup. Evans kid looks limited but maybe has some upside.
Carig  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:52 pm : link
doesn't think the Mets match Blevins price of 3 years 15.5-18
These were both me  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:54 pm : link
DW (NYC): Matt, Awesome chat. Would you mind naming a few pitchers you like most of the group of arms below St. Lucie? The Gonzalez's, Simon etc? Anyone stand out?

Matt Eddy: Sure, the best arms at Low-A or short-season ball in 2016 (excluding 2016 first-round picks and Top 10 Prospects) were: RHP Merandy Gonzalez, RHP Harrol Gonzalez, RHP Jordan Humphries, LHP Jake Simon and RHP Cameron Planck, the 11th-round Kentucky prep whom they signed for $1 million. Oh, and RHP Adonis Uceta throws really hard and reminds some of Hansel Robles.

Dan Warthen (NYC): Matt, Any thoughts/insight from scouts regarding my ability to somehow coax notably "better" stuff out of SP once they are called up? Does this impact evaluation of Mets pitching prospects?

Matt Eddy: Triple-A pitching coach Frank Viola, pitching coordinator Ron Romanick and other coaches also put a lot into young Mets pitchers. Because while the Mets don't necessarily have *more* pitching prospects than other organizations, they tend to maximize the value of their young pitchers. Additionally, touted Mets rookies are always ready to compete in the majors, with the possible exception of Rafael Montero.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 4:14 pm : link
Clayton (Chicago): What is Brandon Nimmo's ceiling and floor? And who is a good comp? Thanks!

Matt Eddy: Possibly a table-setting left fielder, a la David DeJesus, or if Nimmo begins to turn on more early-count fastballs, maybe a David Murphy-type corner outfielder. I'm interested to hear comps from fans, though. Hit me up on Twitter at @MattEddyBA
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 4:20 pm : link
says Granderson is not available
I'm glad we checked in on Davis but I doubt we have the ammo  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 4:50 pm : link
or appetite to do a deal there. I assume Davis will return more than Thornburg did even though he only has 1 year of control left.
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