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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 12:42 pm
-Rubin does not expect Kelly Johnson to return

-Tapia signs with The Reds, Puello to Texas

-Mets not expected to pursue "big ticket" relievers
Curious to see what the Mets  
JayBinQueens : 12/4/2016 12:43 pm : link
will have to give up to get Johnson back at the deadline
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 12:51 pm : link
Sounds like Rich Hill will remain with LAD on a 3 year deal per multiple reports. I expect Turner to remain there as well
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 12:53 pm : link
Nats interested in Wieters, they would deal Norris if they signed him
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 1:08 pm : link
Rays, Braves and Orioles showing early interest in W. Castillo #Mets
I tend to overestimate the impact from small samples  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/4/2016 1:24 pm : link
but I really liked what I saw from TJ Rivera last year. What role if he expected to play going into this season?
RE: I tend to overestimate the impact from small samples  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13246102 Rob in Rockaway said:
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but I really liked what I saw from TJ Rivera last year. What role if he expected to play going into this season?


If he makes the team he will backup at 2b/3b and maybe some OF/1b. He and Flores will likely serve similar roles.
Thanks Dan. I am pulling for him.  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/4/2016 1:35 pm : link
He appears to have a very quick, compact swing that I think translates well into hitting good pitchers.
RE: Thanks Dan. I am pulling for him.  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13246112 Rob in Rockaway said:
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He appears to have a very quick, compact swing that I think translates well into hitting good pitchers.


All-time leader in BA in the minors. Not a good fielder which holds him back but he can hit. Reminds me a bit of ex-Met Jeff Keppinger
Dan, does this Zach Wheeler  
Rory : 12/4/2016 2:44 pm : link
relief pitcher idea have legs? If so who moves to the 5th spot?

Gsellman or Lugo ?

Does Montero have value anymore?
RE: Dan, does this Zach Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13246149 Rory said:
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relief pitcher idea have legs? If so who moves to the 5th spot?

Gsellman or Lugo ?

Does Montero have value anymore?


Sounds like Wheeler to the pen is more of a backup plan if they strike out on relievers vs. a real consideration. Sounds like Gsellman will be the #5 or they will open with 6. Lugo likely heads to AAA to start vs. sticking him in the pen as they don't have SP's depth in AAA should MLB arms get hurt. Montero is likely an ex-Met come opening day. His 40 man spot is tenuous.
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 2:58 pm : link
Buster OlneyVerified account ‏@Buster_ESPN 56m56 minutes ago
Mets don't have traction on a trade of an outfielder at the moment. In their perfect world, would get bullpen help in return.
I know it's not the best allocation of resoueces  
CMicks3110 : 12/4/2016 3:21 pm : link
But a bench of Reyes, Bruce, Flores, Lagares, Rivera is pretty ducking nice!
Should be an interesting WM - as FA's start coming off the board  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2016 3:29 pm : link
I'd imagine the Mets conversations will start kicking in. Don't expect them to make any big flashy moves and usually those are the first dominoes to fall.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 3:34 pm : link
to nitpick but Reyes on the bench is almost like double dipping as the expectation is he's basically going to be the starting 3b more days than not and Wright will have many days where he not only won't be starting, he will be unavailable to play.
Great  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 3:36 pm : link
read regarding the value of pitch framing/defense behind the plate (and why I'd love to look into Tony Wolters)
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very interesting article  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2016 3:42 pm : link
crazy how much can be quantified these days. Would be really interesting if the data were available to go back and see if someone like Pudge was really as good defensively as we thought.
Shows  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 4:34 pm : link
how good Posey is. #1 pitch framer in the game to go with a career .307 hitter. Future HOFer. Both TDA and Plawecki graded well with pitch framing but it's been said TDA sometimes is TOO focused on it tot he detriment of his other defense. Sherlock likely will be focused on this.
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 6:01 pm : link
like no on a guy like Ziegler. 1 year deals for relievers, that sucks. Guess hope the guy Bruce brings back is decent.
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 6:14 pm : link
Rosario the only "untouchable", Conforto "on the table" via @nypostsports #Mets
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I would hate to give up on Conforto.  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/4/2016 7:05 pm : link
His Defense is way better than advertised and I really think he's going to be an excellent hitter. I know we seemingly have a glut of Corner Outfielders but this is not the one to trade unless we really get equal value to what this kid could be, not the very slightly damaged goods he might be right now based on his regression last season.
I should have read the article first.  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/4/2016 7:08 pm : link
I'm open to trading anyone including Rosario if you get back what you need to win World Series.
I think that article is the correct posture to take  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2016 7:37 pm : link
they want 2 late inning guys and are listening to anything except Rosario. I don't want to trade Conforto either but there could be a scenario where it makes sense if a potential MVP caliber player is on the table (not sure McCutchen is still in that category, but it's worth them investigating the price).
Really  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 7:49 pm : link
disagree with stance of not going more than 1 for ANY reliever. Any reliever settling for 1 year likely has a major reason why. 2 years shouldn't cause you to walk away. I get not wanting to commit 3-4 years to a reliever.
Per  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 8:47 pm : link
Rubin the Orioles rejected Grandy or Bruce for one of their better relievers (Gotta be Givens or Brach)
RE: Really  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2016 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13248361 DanMetroMan said:
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disagree with stance of not going more than 1 for ANY reliever. Any reliever settling for 1 year likely has a major reason why. 2 years shouldn't cause you to walk away. I get not wanting to commit 3-4 years to a reliever.


Totally agree with that, but my guess is they'd cave on that for Blevins on a reasonable deal the same way they did with Bastardo last year. I think 2 years for Holland could be worth a roll of the dice but I understand not wanting to take that risk (not sure this would be his preferred situation anyway).
BA's Mets top 10  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 9:31 am : link
1. Amed Rosario, ss
2. Dominic Smith, 1b
3. Justin Dunn, rhp
4. Desmond Lindsay, of
5. Brandon Nimmo, of
6. Gavin Cecchini, 2b/ss
7. Robert Gsellman, rhp
8. Thomas Szapucki, lhp
9. Gabriel Ynoa, rhp
10. Tomas Nido, c

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/new-york-mets-top-10-prospects-2017/#TiIjKFfZrQSDi27O.99
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 9:45 am : link
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 14s14 seconds ago
Source confirms: Pearce to #BlueJays, two years, $12.5M. First reported: @Buster_ESPN.
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 10:16 am : link
According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, the "perception of outside executives" is that the Astros and Nationals are trying hardest on a Chris Sale trade.
Those execs place the Braves as the next-likeliest suitor. Getting the White Sox to trade Sale is going to take a bevy of young talent, but all three of these organizations are rich in that department. Sale, 27, posted a 3.34 ERA, 1.037 WHIP, and 233/45 K/BB ratio across 226 2/3 innings this past season for the Southsiders. He's on a team-friendly contract that carries options through 2019.
Source: Joel Sherman on TwitterDec 5 - 10:13 AM
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 11:32 am : link
Orioles considering Saunders for RF. Would likely end any "pursuit" of Bruce/Granderson #Mets
Sale trade talks  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 12:03 pm : link
Got me think about Trea Turner and what could have been...
Ironic the desire by some for a Young OF to move quickly through the system is what kept Turner from being a Met. So many massive holes a Turner type player would fill for this roster.
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 12:15 pm : link
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 8m8 minutes ago
Mets finding more interest in granderson than Bruce. Mets seek relief in exchange. @AdamRubinESPN on it
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 1:27 pm : link

Mike PumaVerified account
‏@NYPost_Mets
Also heard the Mets could use their second level of prospects - such as Nimmo and Cecchini - to pursue bullpen help.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 2:57 pm : link
only looking at "bottom tier" relievers ugh.
RE: Mets  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13250465 DanMetroMan said:
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only looking at "bottom tier" relievers ugh.


Why does this surprise you? Sandy has always let it be known he doesn't believe in spending big, nor years, on RP.

Yet he has two very highly paid back end guys. Hmmmpppfff
All misdirection  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 3:07 pm : link
the Mets have done very little the past couple off-seasons that they said they were going to do.

wishful thinking?

I'd open the vault for Chapman and trade Bruce for bench bat/speed. Mets need speed.

And head into the season with a couple competitive spots, but otherwise pray for health.
Should be  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 3:08 pm : link
head into "spring training" with a couple competitive spots....
RE: All misdirection  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13250491 pjcas18 said:
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the Mets have done very little the past couple off-seasons that they said they were going to do.

wishful thinking?

I'd open the vault for Chapman and trade Bruce for bench bat/speed. Mets need speed.

And head into the season with a couple competitive spots, but otherwise pray for health.


Disagree in regard to the pen. They have said for years they don't believe in spending big on the pen and don't. Sandy came out and said they won't be giving years to MR's. That's a team philosophy not some bluff move.
RE: RE: All misdirection  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13250500 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13250491 pjcas18 said:


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the Mets have done very little the past couple off-seasons that they said they were going to do.

wishful thinking?

I'd open the vault for Chapman and trade Bruce for bench bat/speed. Mets need speed.

And head into the season with a couple competitive spots, but otherwise pray for health.



Disagree in regard to the pen. They have said for years they don't believe in spending big on the pen and don't. Sandy came out and said they won't be giving years to MR's. That's a team philosophy not some bluff move.


Well they haven't really needed to. Once they were legit contenders they had Mejia backed up by Familia.

When Mejia was suspended they had Familia and acquired Clippard, Reed, etc.

Last year they entered the season with Familia and Reed.

This year ??? on Familia, but still have Reed.

Probably thinnest back of the BP they have had since they could be considered legit contenders.

Just my opinion.

I consider Sandy a game player who uses the media. Not saying he's doing it here, just hoping he is, since IMO bullpen is potentially the biggest need.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:19 pm : link
Sandy came out and said they won't be doing it and agents Rubin has spoken to have said the Mets are looking at "lower tier" options. They didn't even speak to the top 3 closers and are not expected to bid on Greg Holland. They won't even get a Ziegler type on a 1 year deal. 1 year relievers are garbage or damaged goods. It's buy lows on guys like reduced velocity Drew Storen. COULD a guy like that work out? Sure. But odds are not in your favor.
It's not meant to be a bluff  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 3:19 pm : link
Publicly, the team has been very upfront. Trying to trade Bruce, might have to trade Grandy or even Conforto if that's where the value is.

Publicly made it very clear they want to add BP arms. Prefer a lefty. Know it will have to be in a trade. And FA market will provide depth. It's all out there for everyone to see every single thing has been kept EXTREMELY quiet, but design. But it is very rare for Sandy to say something publicly, and it's meant as a bluff. Very rare.
Rubin-  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:20 pm : link
"One agent who has a fairly prominent reliever on the market says the Mets are "bottom feeding" with respect to bullpen help -- meaning looking for low-cost arms on one-year deals. That's fairly consistent with what Sandy Alderson said on Sunday night."
Hopefully  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:20 pm : link
if Trumbo lands in Colorado, Baltimore relents on Brach, I think Givens is a no-go.
The pen was at it's thinnest 2 years ago when they made the ST trades  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 3:23 pm : link
for Blevins and Torres. Mejia was penciled in as closer and Familia was the setup guy, then Mejia got suspended, and ultimately they acquired Clippard (and Reed).

I think Sandy actually believes in BP, he just thinks it's the most unstable performance wise year to year and the easiest thing to acquire at the deadline. So he doesn't give out long term deals to FA. I think that's a fair position to take but the reality is if you want to do better than Fernando Salas you are going to have to spend more resources either via prospects or $. Chapman and Miller were critical to getting their teams to the WS this past year and look at what those 2 moves cost their teams. The time to find a back end reliever is now and I think Sandy knows that, he'd just prefer to find that guy via trade than FA.
Keep  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:25 pm : link
in mind, odds are likely less than 50% Blevins returns and probably closer to 20% that whomever replaces him is as good as he was. I'm not saying losing Blevins is the end of the world but the pen needed help even before "losing" Blevins. They need quality arms, this isn't a loaded pen that just needs depth.
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:33 pm : link
Matt Gelb ‏@MattGelb 41s42 seconds ago
Joaquin Benoits one-year deal with the Phillies will pay him $7.5 million, according to a source. That is what he made in 2016, too.
I believe bullpen  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 3:34 pm : link
arms are fungible, but that's mostly middle relievers and long-men in the pen IMO.

back of the bullpen not so fungible IMO and my preference (which means nothing to Sandy) is for gas, and gas that can miss bats, not Bobby Parnell gas.

Maybe the Mets are confident that Familia will not be suspended. Though the scrutiny domestic violence gets (and should get) and the early reports of the Familia incident I'd be shocked if that's the case.

I just hate having to dig out of an April hole and the WC sucks, Mets should be building a team to compete for the division.
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13250577 pjcas18 said:
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arms are fungible, but that's mostly middle relievers and long-men in the pen IMO.

back of the bullpen not so fungible IMO and my preference (which means nothing to Sandy) is for gas, and gas that can miss bats, not Bobby Parnell gas.

Maybe the Mets are confident that Familia will not be suspended. Though the scrutiny domestic violence gets (and should get) and the early reports of the Familia incident I'd be shocked if that's the case.

I just hate having to dig out of an April hole and the WC sucks, Mets should be building a team to compete for the division.


Familia almost 1000% is going to be suspended. His wife had visible marks on her face. The question is for how long.
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:38 pm : link
Anthony DiComo ‏@AnthonyDiComo 23s23 seconds ago
The Mets expect David Wright to begin baseball activities this month. He has no medical hurdles to clear before being eligible for that.
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RE: RE: I believe bullpen  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13250583 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13250577 pjcas18 said:


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arms are fungible, but that's mostly middle relievers and long-men in the pen IMO.

back of the bullpen not so fungible IMO and my preference (which means nothing to Sandy) is for gas, and gas that can miss bats, not Bobby Parnell gas.

Maybe the Mets are confident that Familia will not be suspended. Though the scrutiny domestic violence gets (and should get) and the early reports of the Familia incident I'd be shocked if that's the case.

I just hate having to dig out of an April hole and the WC sucks, Mets should be building a team to compete for the division.



Familia almost 1000% is going to be suspended. His wife had visible marks on her face. The question is for how long.


I believe that to be true too that was my point, so why wouldn't the Mets need significant back of the bullpen help?

Reed is the closer? Check out his track record as closer in AZ? Peripherals not nearly as good as in his 8th inning role. And if he does close who is the 8th inning guy? Robles? Smoker?

Familia has been used a ton the past few years, 20M per year for Chapman on a 4 year deal seems like a great investment. In the playoffs, if you have a fresh Reed to Familia to Chapman (or swap the last two if you want) it shortens the game to 6 innings.

with 4 of 5 starters coming off injury makes a lot of sense to protect the staff IMO.
Reed  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:42 pm : link
is most certainly the closer while Familia is out. They pretty clearly also don't trust Robles despite his stuff (2 straight years basically relegated to a very minor role down the stretch). That's really my point. Suspension for Familia, lose Blevins (if they do), the pen just isn't very good on paper. Yeah it's possible someone steps up and impresses but I'd rather not be reliant on Zack Wheeler and Josh Smoker to be key pieces of the 2017 Mets bullpen.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:43 pm : link
a Mets fan but unless there are some extremely unusually facts in regard to the Familia case gotta figure he's getting at minimum a 30 game ban and likely somewhere in the 30-60 range.
So we both agree they need to invest  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 3:43 pm : link
in the bullpen.

My point was Sandy may have something up his sleeve.

We'll have to wait and see the team they go to PSL with.
Rubin  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:44 pm : link
Sandy Alderson said David Wright is in California working with his surgeon's physical therapists and is ready to begin baseball activity this month. Asked who the Mets' third baseman is in 2017, Alderson unequivocally said: "David Wright."
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:47 pm : link
Sandy Alderson expects to test Jose Reyes in the outfield during spring training. The Mets did not want to try that in-season last year. Alderson said the Mets will be doing that with minor leaguers this year as well so they are more flexible when they get to the majors.
Mets talking to O's re: Brach per twitter  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 3:52 pm : link
I still don't think they will move Grandy (whom the O's prefer) - I think it's more likely they deal Bruce and sweeten the deal with someone like Robles or Lugo.
They  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:56 pm : link
rejected Bruce for Brach the other day but they may lose Trumbo. I agree though, we will have to include something else.
Brach is the best fit, if Trumbo bolts I think we'll get him  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 4:05 pm : link
He's from NJ, went to Monmouth, 2 years of team control, and realistically he's the Orioles 4th best reliever. His control this past year was good but his career walk rate is a little higher than you'd want but he gets a lot of ground balls which is something our BP struggled with last year outside of Familia.
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 4:11 pm : link
Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 18s18 seconds ago
#Orioles feel too much $ for Granderson ($15M) or Bruce ($13M) and #Mets saying won't eat any so no match right now. NYM does like Brach.
I think we cave on eating some $ and they cave taking Bruce  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 4:15 pm : link
not sure it's the best value deal we'd ever do considering Bruce will likely hit 35 homers as their cleanup hitter, but it is what it is since we don't really have a place for him here. Brach is a solid 7th/8th inning reliever and makes the team better. Resign Blevins or add someone like Uehara and the BP looks pretty decent.
Personally  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 4:18 pm : link
I'd prefer signing someone like Ziegler and trading Bruce for prospects but I do like Brach.
RE: Personally  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13250688 DanMetroMan said:
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I'd prefer signing someone like Ziegler and trading Bruce for prospects but I do like Brach.


Ziegler would add a very different look to the BP. I haven't seen enough of either to have a strong preference, but I think there's probably around $20M reasons Sandy prefers Brach (or some of the other trade targets). I guess we'll see who they go with, I trust Sandy to make a good decision and I don't think this is a situation where he will just do nothing. By the end of the WM someone will swing and miss and realize it's not such a bad thing to acquire a reasonably priced all star RF. I wish the prices on All Star OF'ers were this cheap 2-3 years ago when we couldn't even find an upgrade over Colin Cowgill. I mean, in some ways this is the equivalent of us saying no to Jay Bruce for Hansel Robles straight up (which, if we had a RF need, would seem like the steal of the century).
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13250706 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13250688 DanMetroMan said:


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I'd prefer signing someone like Ziegler and trading Bruce for prospects but I do like Brach.



Ziegler would add a very different look to the BP. I haven't seen enough of either to have a strong preference, but I think there's probably around $20M reasons Sandy prefers Brach (or some of the other trade targets). I guess we'll see who they go with, I trust Sandy to make a good decision and I don't think this is a situation where he will just do nothing. By the end of the WM someone will swing and miss and realize it's not such a bad thing to acquire a reasonably priced all star RF. I wish the prices on All Star OF'ers were this cheap 2-3 years ago when we couldn't even find an upgrade over Colin Cowgill. I mean, in some ways this is the equivalent of us saying no to Jay Bruce for Hansel Robles straight up (which, if we had a RF need, would seem like the steal of the century).


Well the difference is this.... say you sign Ziegler for 2 years 18 million... and trade Bruce for prospects... the Mets still saving money this year. Brach costs 2.9, so Brach for Bruce (something the Orioles still feel is too expensive) saves the Mets about 10 million vs. say 4-5 with a Ziegler/trade for prospects move but at the end of the day I suspect the Mets have to kick in some cash/take back another player anyway. Ziegler has routinely outpitched his FIP for his career, last 3 seasons 203 games 2.53 era with 53 saves. Likely pitches even better following up a flame thrower like Thor.
BA  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 5:19 pm : link
BA-

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average Dominic Smith
Best Power Hitter Pete Alonso
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Brandon Nimmo
Fastest Baserunner Champ Stuart
Best Athlete Amed Rosario
Best Fastball Justin Dunn
Best Curveball Thomas Szapucki
Best Slider Justin Dunn
Best Changeup P.J. Conlon
Best Control P.J. Conlon
Best Defensive Catcher Tomas Nido
Best Defensive Infielder Luis Guillorme
Best Infield Arm Amed Rosario
Best Defensive Outfielder Champ Stuart
Best Outfield Arm Travis Taijeron

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-new-york-mets-top-10-insider/#0kfsQmeLj6muWwY1.99
Alonso  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 5:23 pm : link
Drool...

Get used to it fellas lol
RE: Alonso  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13250806 Shecky said:
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Drool...

Get used to it fellas lol


Uh oh, Plawecki 2.0? lol
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 5:25 pm : link
Can't fault the Orioles for believing Brach + adding 10 million to payroll is an overpay when a guy like Holliday signed for 1 year 13 #Mets
sooo  
spike : 12/5/2016 8:39 pm : link
when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?
Not really caught up on this thread..  
arcarsenal : 12/5/2016 8:46 pm : link
But if Wade Davis is available, the Mets should make a play for him.
RE: sooo  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13251038 spike said:
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when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?


Career ban. Will never pitch for the Mets again.
Rosenthal says Nats close to getting Sale for Giolito + Robles  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 9:26 pm : link
that would be less than ideal, but their rotation is already filthy so for some reason it's not as terrifying as it could be.
RE: sooo  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13251038 spike said:
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when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?


Crossing the Ts and dotting the i's on the paperwork before they file that lawsuit against MLB lol. Any day now, any day
Would Matz, Conforto and a decent prospect  
bigblue12 : 12/5/2016 10:14 pm : link
Get Sale? If so, I'd do it to keep him away from the Nats. Sale is so good
So, Bruce is proving difficult to trade  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 7:46 am : link
Who would have guessed that last week lol
Gimme  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 7:53 am : link
something like Barnes and Maese for Bruce and move on. Barnes a local kid no less.
The only thing I can hope with sale  
bhill410 : 12/6/2016 8:46 am : link
Is that the drop in some of his peripherals plus some suspect arm history is a precursor for falling off a cliff with nationals. If him and Strasburg stay healthy all year we are screwed. It really chaps my buns that Mets could have drafted giolito but were too cheap or willing to wait.
There's a lot to complain about with drafts  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 9:06 am : link
Especially when using hindsight.
But passing on giolito is not one I'd lose sleep over.
The  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:11 am : link
best move is Bruce for prospects (let your scouts do their thing) and sign Ziegler. They clearly aren't going that route.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:15 am : link
Red Sox deal for unnamed Brewers reliever-Watch... the Red Sox just stole Thornburg who goes on to be dominant for them...
Yup Thornburg (per Rosenthal)  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:20 am : link
so far rumors say they gave up Shaw and their 22nd ranked prospect Josh Pennington.
Love  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:21 am : link
it for Boston. Fantastic move for that price. Damn.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:24 am : link
Very jealous of that Red Sox move #Mets
Thornburg  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 9:24 am : link
was dominant last year too, I wouldn't be surprised if he is again.
Haven't seen Toby Hyde write much lately but I wonder what comparable  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:27 am : link
offer would have. Seems like we had similar pieces to at least the first 2 rumored parts of the trade. Shaw seems like IF platoon fodder and Pennington sounds like a very talented pitcher who then underwent TJS. Flores + Molina Dan?
That  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:27 am : link
is just a great move for Boston. Solid but non-top prospects and Shaw (meh) for an 8th inning arm who is team controlled. MLB.com had them #12 and #22
2 years in a row Red Sox have made moves in BP I wish we'd made  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:28 am : link
Carson Smith last year, Thornburg this year.
That's a very good trade for both  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 9:31 am : link
Shaw wouldn't have been a bad fit for the Mets to be honest. And athornburg is a perfect fit for the Mets ;(
RE: That's a very good trade for both  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:35 am : link
In comment 13251420 Shecky said:
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Shaw wouldn't have been a bad fit for the Mets to be honest. And athornburg is a perfect fit for the Mets ;(


In Mets terms it's a great deal for the Red Sox. The Brewers are totally blowing it up so 3 young pitches for a reliever is fine but for the Sox they gave up some minor league "depth" for a 2017 potential difference maker who is controlled for the next 3 seasons. It's not a "bad" deal for the Brewers but in terms of the Mets it's a great move for Boston.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:55 am : link
Carig

For Mets, the returns for Bruce thus far are underwhelming, I hear. And no traction on Granderson talks. Mets really want to keep him.
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Shecky : 12/6/2016 10:11 am : link
In comment 13251457 DanMetroMan said:
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Carig

For Mets, the returns for Bruce thus far are underwhelming, I hear. And no traction on Granderson talks. Mets really want to keep him.


Lol. These reporters are such puppets. Always late to the party.
The Red Sox probably traded Shaw because  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 10:19 am : link
they felt like the Panda has slimmed down in a major way (for now). No clue what he did, but he looks like he shed a person from the fat guy who busted his belt swinging the bat.



PJ  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 10:21 am : link
My guess is

1) They really liked Thornburg
2) As you stated Panda is in shape... for the time being
3) They have Moncada
4) Likely isn't too hard to find a Shaw type if need be.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 10:23 am : link
Ex-Met farm hand Casey Meisner made 19 starts.... he finished 1-14, eek
Orioles  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 11:14 am : link
and Trumbo meeting today, would likely close the door to a Mets OF/RP swap.
Forgot all about Panda  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 11:23 am : link
WOW!!!! He looks great, good for him.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:10 pm : link
J.P. (Springfield, IL): Thanks for chatting, Matt. How far off was Andres Gimenez, and are you reasonably confident he can remain at SS for the forseeable future?

Matt Eddy: We take our prospect rankings to 30 and beyond, as you know. So while Venezuelan SS Andres Gimenez didn't crack the top 10 (yet), he is prominently featured in the Prospect Handbook chapter. One of the top international talents available in 2015, he turned in an outstanding pro debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2016. Gimenez led the circuit in on-base percentage (.469) while ranking second in average (.350) and doubles (20). He can be a plus hitter with above-avg wheels and above-avg ability at shortstop.

Frank (Indianapolis IN): How many of these guys are likely to make the BA 100?

Matt Eddy: Amed Rosario and Dominic Smith are locks. Justin Dunn is probable. Desmond Lindsay is possible. I could construct cases for Brandon Nimmo, Gavin Cecchini, Robert Gsellman and even Thomas Szapucki, but I wouldn't count on them making it.
Tebow  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:27 pm : link
did not make the top 30..
RE: Tebow  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13252033 DanMetroMan said:
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did not make the top 30..


What do they do with him for 2017? Brooklyn? Cut him? Other?
RE: RE: Tebow  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13252046 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13252033 DanMetroMan said:


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did not make the top 30..



What do they do with him for 2017? Brooklyn? Cut him? Other?


Milk him for revenue. BK or Columbia
I wonder who asked and what they offered  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:54 pm : link
I like Gsellman, but still curious.

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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 7m7 minutes ago

Teams asked the Mets about Robert Gsellman and were told by Sandy Alderson the club has no intention of trading.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:55 pm : link
Sounds like the low ranking for Szapucki relates to risk vs. stuff

Zac (NY): Hi Matt- I saw Szapucki pitch live a few times last season and he looked lights out. It was short season A ball of course, but do you think he has potential to be a top of the rotation guy? Do you have a comp for him/how he needs to develop?

Matt Eddy: From my Word doc to your computer screen: "He just looks like a front-line guy." That's what one pro scout said about LHP Thomas Szapucki based on his look in short-season ball this year. When a teen lefthander has two present plus pitches and a dominating performance, you have to take notice. Szapicki could shoot toward the top of this list next year if he can maintain his stuff and health over 20 starts in full-season ball in 2017. That's not exactly a given, though, because the Mets shut him down early in 2016 with a back issue, and his control needs work, as does his changeup.
They  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:55 pm : link
can't really afford to trade Gsellman with all of Wheeler, deGrom, Harvey, Matz all coming off injury/surgery and Colon gone.
RE: They  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:56 pm : link
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can't really afford to trade Gsellman with all of Wheeler, deGrom, Harvey, Matz all coming off injury/surgery and Colon gone.


I know, still curious to see who it was and what they were considering offering.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:02 pm : link
We have 0 catchers who hit in 2016, now we want to make room for both of them to play at the same time...? That's okay Terry.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:10 pm : link

Matt Eddy: Without hesitation, I would answer SS/2B Phillip Evans, who won the Eastern League batting title this year. That calls to mind Rangers 2B Odubel Herrera, who won a Double-A bating title in 2014, the year the Phillies Rule 5'd him. Evans has some gap power and a sound hitting approach, but he doesn't really run or draw walks. Lots of contact and positional versatility (he has the arm for SS and 3B) is what a team would be buying. The Mets left Evans off the 40-man because they have similar players already, such as Gavin Cecchini, Matt Reynolds and even T.J. Rivera. Some other Mets who might generate Rule 5 interest would be relievers Nabil Crismatt or Paul Sewald or possibly one-tool standouts like Champ Stuart (speed) or Travis Taijeron (power).
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:17 pm : link
Eddy not high on Lugo, would have him in the 20 range if he were eligible
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:43 pm : link
Eddy says the Mets system is "slightly" better than 15th in his eyes.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:45 pm : link

Billy (St. Lucie): In your opinion who would be the closest player comp for Rosario?

Matt Eddy: We have heard everything from Jose Iglesias to Elvis Andrus.
They are really  
Metnut : 12/6/2016 3:51 pm : link
going to expose Evans for Reynolds? Reynolds isn't even an MLB backup. Evans kid looks limited but maybe has some upside.
Carig  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:52 pm : link
doesn't think the Mets match Blevins price of 3 years 15.5-18
These were both me  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 3:54 pm : link
DW (NYC): Matt, Awesome chat. Would you mind naming a few pitchers you like most of the group of arms below St. Lucie? The Gonzalez's, Simon etc? Anyone stand out?

Matt Eddy: Sure, the best arms at Low-A or short-season ball in 2016 (excluding 2016 first-round picks and Top 10 Prospects) were: RHP Merandy Gonzalez, RHP Harrol Gonzalez, RHP Jordan Humphries, LHP Jake Simon and RHP Cameron Planck, the 11th-round Kentucky prep whom they signed for $1 million. Oh, and RHP Adonis Uceta throws really hard and reminds some of Hansel Robles.

Dan Warthen (NYC): Matt, Any thoughts/insight from scouts regarding my ability to somehow coax notably "better" stuff out of SP once they are called up? Does this impact evaluation of Mets pitching prospects?

Matt Eddy: Triple-A pitching coach Frank Viola, pitching coordinator Ron Romanick and other coaches also put a lot into young Mets pitchers. Because while the Mets don't necessarily have *more* pitching prospects than other organizations, they tend to maximize the value of their young pitchers. Additionally, touted Mets rookies are always ready to compete in the majors, with the possible exception of Rafael Montero.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 4:14 pm : link
Clayton (Chicago): What is Brandon Nimmo's ceiling and floor? And who is a good comp? Thanks!

Matt Eddy: Possibly a table-setting left fielder, a la David DeJesus, or if Nimmo begins to turn on more early-count fastballs, maybe a David Murphy-type corner outfielder. I'm interested to hear comps from fans, though. Hit me up on Twitter at @MattEddyBA
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 4:20 pm : link
says Granderson is not available
I'm glad we checked in on Davis but I doubt we have the ammo  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 4:50 pm : link
or appetite to do a deal there. I assume Davis will return more than Thornburg did even though he only has 1 year of control left.
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