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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2016 12:42 pm
-Rubin does not expect Kelly Johnson to return

-Tapia signs with The Reds, Puello to Texas

-Mets not expected to pursue "big ticket" relievers
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I'm  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:43 pm : link
a Mets fan but unless there are some extremely unusually facts in regard to the Familia case gotta figure he's getting at minimum a 30 game ban and likely somewhere in the 30-60 range.
So we both agree they need to invest  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 3:43 pm : link
in the bullpen.

My point was Sandy may have something up his sleeve.

We'll have to wait and see the team they go to PSL with.
Rubin  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:44 pm : link
Sandy Alderson said David Wright is in California working with his surgeon's physical therapists and is ready to begin baseball activity this month. Asked who the Mets' third baseman is in 2017, Alderson unequivocally said: "David Wright."
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:47 pm : link
Sandy Alderson expects to test Jose Reyes in the outfield during spring training. The Mets did not want to try that in-season last year. Alderson said the Mets will be doing that with minor leaguers this year as well so they are more flexible when they get to the majors.
Mets talking to O's re: Brach per twitter  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 3:52 pm : link
I still don't think they will move Grandy (whom the O's prefer) - I think it's more likely they deal Bruce and sweeten the deal with someone like Robles or Lugo.
They  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 3:56 pm : link
rejected Bruce for Brach the other day but they may lose Trumbo. I agree though, we will have to include something else.
Brach is the best fit, if Trumbo bolts I think we'll get him  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 4:05 pm : link
He's from NJ, went to Monmouth, 2 years of team control, and realistically he's the Orioles 4th best reliever. His control this past year was good but his career walk rate is a little higher than you'd want but he gets a lot of ground balls which is something our BP struggled with last year outside of Familia.
..  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 4:11 pm : link
Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 18s18 seconds ago
#Orioles feel too much $ for Granderson ($15M) or Bruce ($13M) and #Mets saying won't eat any so no match right now. NYM does like Brach.
I think we cave on eating some $ and they cave taking Bruce  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 4:15 pm : link
not sure it's the best value deal we'd ever do considering Bruce will likely hit 35 homers as their cleanup hitter, but it is what it is since we don't really have a place for him here. Brach is a solid 7th/8th inning reliever and makes the team better. Resign Blevins or add someone like Uehara and the BP looks pretty decent.
Personally  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 4:18 pm : link
I'd prefer signing someone like Ziegler and trading Bruce for prospects but I do like Brach.
RE: Personally  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13250688 DanMetroMan said:
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I'd prefer signing someone like Ziegler and trading Bruce for prospects but I do like Brach.


Ziegler would add a very different look to the BP. I haven't seen enough of either to have a strong preference, but I think there's probably around $20M reasons Sandy prefers Brach (or some of the other trade targets). I guess we'll see who they go with, I trust Sandy to make a good decision and I don't think this is a situation where he will just do nothing. By the end of the WM someone will swing and miss and realize it's not such a bad thing to acquire a reasonably priced all star RF. I wish the prices on All Star OF'ers were this cheap 2-3 years ago when we couldn't even find an upgrade over Colin Cowgill. I mean, in some ways this is the equivalent of us saying no to Jay Bruce for Hansel Robles straight up (which, if we had a RF need, would seem like the steal of the century).
RE: RE: Personally  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13250706 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13250688 DanMetroMan said:


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I'd prefer signing someone like Ziegler and trading Bruce for prospects but I do like Brach.



Ziegler would add a very different look to the BP. I haven't seen enough of either to have a strong preference, but I think there's probably around $20M reasons Sandy prefers Brach (or some of the other trade targets). I guess we'll see who they go with, I trust Sandy to make a good decision and I don't think this is a situation where he will just do nothing. By the end of the WM someone will swing and miss and realize it's not such a bad thing to acquire a reasonably priced all star RF. I wish the prices on All Star OF'ers were this cheap 2-3 years ago when we couldn't even find an upgrade over Colin Cowgill. I mean, in some ways this is the equivalent of us saying no to Jay Bruce for Hansel Robles straight up (which, if we had a RF need, would seem like the steal of the century).


Well the difference is this.... say you sign Ziegler for 2 years 18 million... and trade Bruce for prospects... the Mets still saving money this year. Brach costs 2.9, so Brach for Bruce (something the Orioles still feel is too expensive) saves the Mets about 10 million vs. say 4-5 with a Ziegler/trade for prospects move but at the end of the day I suspect the Mets have to kick in some cash/take back another player anyway. Ziegler has routinely outpitched his FIP for his career, last 3 seasons 203 games 2.53 era with 53 saves. Likely pitches even better following up a flame thrower like Thor.
BA  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 5:19 pm : link
BA-

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average Dominic Smith
Best Power Hitter Pete Alonso
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Brandon Nimmo
Fastest Baserunner Champ Stuart
Best Athlete Amed Rosario
Best Fastball Justin Dunn
Best Curveball Thomas Szapucki
Best Slider Justin Dunn
Best Changeup P.J. Conlon
Best Control P.J. Conlon
Best Defensive Catcher Tomas Nido
Best Defensive Infielder Luis Guillorme
Best Infield Arm Amed Rosario
Best Defensive Outfielder Champ Stuart
Best Outfield Arm Travis Taijeron

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-new-york-mets-top-10-insider/#0kfsQmeLj6muWwY1.99
Alonso  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 5:23 pm : link
Drool...

Get used to it fellas lol
RE: Alonso  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13250806 Shecky said:
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Drool...

Get used to it fellas lol


Uh oh, Plawecki 2.0? lol
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 5:25 pm : link
Can't fault the Orioles for believing Brach + adding 10 million to payroll is an overpay when a guy like Holliday signed for 1 year 13 #Mets
sooo  
spike : 12/5/2016 8:39 pm : link
when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?
Not really caught up on this thread..  
arcarsenal : 12/5/2016 8:46 pm : link
But if Wade Davis is available, the Mets should make a play for him.
RE: sooo  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13251038 spike said:
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when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?


Career ban. Will never pitch for the Mets again.
Rosenthal says Nats close to getting Sale for Giolito + Robles  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2016 9:26 pm : link
that would be less than ideal, but their rotation is already filthy so for some reason it's not as terrifying as it could be.
RE: sooo  
Shecky : 12/5/2016 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13251038 spike said:
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when is Mejia coming back from suspensioN?


Crossing the Ts and dotting the i's on the paperwork before they file that lawsuit against MLB lol. Any day now, any day
Would Matz, Conforto and a decent prospect  
bigblue12 : 12/5/2016 10:14 pm : link
Get Sale? If so, I'd do it to keep him away from the Nats. Sale is so good
So, Bruce is proving difficult to trade  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 7:46 am : link
Who would have guessed that last week lol
Gimme  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 7:53 am : link
something like Barnes and Maese for Bruce and move on. Barnes a local kid no less.
The only thing I can hope with sale  
bhill410 : 12/6/2016 8:46 am : link
Is that the drop in some of his peripherals plus some suspect arm history is a precursor for falling off a cliff with nationals. If him and Strasburg stay healthy all year we are screwed. It really chaps my buns that Mets could have drafted giolito but were too cheap or willing to wait.
There's a lot to complain about with drafts  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 9:06 am : link
Especially when using hindsight.
But passing on giolito is not one I'd lose sleep over.
The  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:11 am : link
best move is Bruce for prospects (let your scouts do their thing) and sign Ziegler. They clearly aren't going that route.
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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:15 am : link
Red Sox deal for unnamed Brewers reliever-Watch... the Red Sox just stole Thornburg who goes on to be dominant for them...
Yup Thornburg (per Rosenthal)  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:20 am : link
so far rumors say they gave up Shaw and their 22nd ranked prospect Josh Pennington.
Love  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:21 am : link
it for Boston. Fantastic move for that price. Damn.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:24 am : link
Very jealous of that Red Sox move #Mets
Thornburg  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 9:24 am : link
was dominant last year too, I wouldn't be surprised if he is again.
Haven't seen Toby Hyde write much lately but I wonder what comparable  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:27 am : link
offer would have. Seems like we had similar pieces to at least the first 2 rumored parts of the trade. Shaw seems like IF platoon fodder and Pennington sounds like a very talented pitcher who then underwent TJS. Flores + Molina Dan?
That  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:27 am : link
is just a great move for Boston. Solid but non-top prospects and Shaw (meh) for an 8th inning arm who is team controlled. MLB.com had them #12 and #22
2 years in a row Red Sox have made moves in BP I wish we'd made  
Eric on Li : 12/6/2016 9:28 am : link
Carson Smith last year, Thornburg this year.
That's a very good trade for both  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 9:31 am : link
Shaw wouldn't have been a bad fit for the Mets to be honest. And athornburg is a perfect fit for the Mets ;(
RE: That's a very good trade for both  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:35 am : link
In comment 13251420 Shecky said:
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Shaw wouldn't have been a bad fit for the Mets to be honest. And athornburg is a perfect fit for the Mets ;(


In Mets terms it's a great deal for the Red Sox. The Brewers are totally blowing it up so 3 young pitches for a reliever is fine but for the Sox they gave up some minor league "depth" for a 2017 potential difference maker who is controlled for the next 3 seasons. It's not a "bad" deal for the Brewers but in terms of the Mets it's a great move for Boston.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 9:55 am : link
Carig

For Mets, the returns for Bruce thus far are underwhelming, I hear. And no traction on Granderson talks. Mets really want to keep him.
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Shecky : 12/6/2016 10:11 am : link
In comment 13251457 DanMetroMan said:
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Carig

For Mets, the returns for Bruce thus far are underwhelming, I hear. And no traction on Granderson talks. Mets really want to keep him.


Lol. These reporters are such puppets. Always late to the party.
The Red Sox probably traded Shaw because  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 10:19 am : link
they felt like the Panda has slimmed down in a major way (for now). No clue what he did, but he looks like he shed a person from the fat guy who busted his belt swinging the bat.



PJ  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 10:21 am : link
My guess is

1) They really liked Thornburg
2) As you stated Panda is in shape... for the time being
3) They have Moncada
4) Likely isn't too hard to find a Shaw type if need be.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 10:23 am : link
Ex-Met farm hand Casey Meisner made 19 starts.... he finished 1-14, eek
Orioles  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 11:14 am : link
and Trumbo meeting today, would likely close the door to a Mets OF/RP swap.
Forgot all about Panda  
Shecky : 12/6/2016 11:23 am : link
WOW!!!! He looks great, good for him.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:10 pm : link
J.P. (Springfield, IL): Thanks for chatting, Matt. How far off was Andres Gimenez, and are you reasonably confident he can remain at SS for the forseeable future?

Matt Eddy: We take our prospect rankings to 30 and beyond, as you know. So while Venezuelan SS Andres Gimenez didn't crack the top 10 (yet), he is prominently featured in the Prospect Handbook chapter. One of the top international talents available in 2015, he turned in an outstanding pro debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2016. Gimenez led the circuit in on-base percentage (.469) while ranking second in average (.350) and doubles (20). He can be a plus hitter with above-avg wheels and above-avg ability at shortstop.

Frank (Indianapolis IN): How many of these guys are likely to make the BA 100?

Matt Eddy: Amed Rosario and Dominic Smith are locks. Justin Dunn is probable. Desmond Lindsay is possible. I could construct cases for Brandon Nimmo, Gavin Cecchini, Robert Gsellman and even Thomas Szapucki, but I wouldn't count on them making it.
Tebow  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:27 pm : link
did not make the top 30..
RE: Tebow  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:34 pm : link
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did not make the top 30..


What do they do with him for 2017? Brooklyn? Cut him? Other?
RE: RE: Tebow  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13252046 pjcas18 said:
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did not make the top 30..



What do they do with him for 2017? Brooklyn? Cut him? Other?


Milk him for revenue. BK or Columbia
I wonder who asked and what they offered  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:54 pm : link
I like Gsellman, but still curious.

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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 7m7 minutes ago

Teams asked the Mets about Robert Gsellman and were told by Sandy Alderson the club has no intention of trading.
,  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:55 pm : link
Sounds like the low ranking for Szapucki relates to risk vs. stuff

Zac (NY): Hi Matt- I saw Szapucki pitch live a few times last season and he looked lights out. It was short season A ball of course, but do you think he has potential to be a top of the rotation guy? Do you have a comp for him/how he needs to develop?

Matt Eddy: From my Word doc to your computer screen: "He just looks like a front-line guy." That's what one pro scout said about LHP Thomas Szapucki based on his look in short-season ball this year. When a teen lefthander has two present plus pitches and a dominating performance, you have to take notice. Szapicki could shoot toward the top of this list next year if he can maintain his stuff and health over 20 starts in full-season ball in 2017. That's not exactly a given, though, because the Mets shut him down early in 2016 with a back issue, and his control needs work, as does his changeup.
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