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rut17 : 12/4/2016 6:55 pm
Jon Heyman & #8207;@JonHeyman 4m4 minutes ago

Yanks have deal with Holliday. 13M
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RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility  
RasputinPrime : 12/4/2016 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13248198 rich in DC said:
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The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.

Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.

Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.

In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.

Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.

Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.


With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
RE: RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility  
Jay on the Island : 12/4/2016 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13248209 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 13248198 rich in DC said:


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With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.

There are quite a few people who assume most if not all of these big name players will hit free agency when the likelihood is that most of them will sign extensions and never hit free agency.
RE: RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility  
rich in DC : 12/4/2016 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13248209 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 13248198 rich in DC said:


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The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.

Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.

Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.

In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.

Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.

Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.



With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.


Since the Yanks are going to be BIG players in 2018 FA, if you are the agents of any of those big name FA, you make SURE your client does not sign a contract extension unless you are setting a record. Just having the Yanks to play off your own team or other team is worth MILLIONS to those FA.

Let's put it this way- in 2019, the luxury tax line will be about $205M. Assuming that no long term contracts beyond 2018 are signed (or they can trade Ellsbury and/or Castro), they theoretically could sign Machado for $400M for 10 years ($40M annually) AND Harper for the same or more- and STILL have almost $100M to spend before they worry about luxury tax penalties.

So, if you were the agents for ANY of those players, would you even consider a contract extension unless it was near $40M annually?
RE: RE: RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility  
RasputinPrime : 12/4/2016 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13248283 rich in DC said:
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In comment 13248209 RasputinPrime said:


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In comment 13248198 rich in DC said:


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The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.

Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.

Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.

In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.

Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.

Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.



With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.



Since the Yanks are going to be BIG players in 2018 FA, if you are the agents of any of those big name FA, you make SURE your client does not sign a contract extension unless you are setting a record. Just having the Yanks to play off your own team or other team is worth MILLIONS to those FA.

Let's put it this way- in 2019, the luxury tax line will be about $205M. Assuming that no long term contracts beyond 2018 are signed (or they can trade Ellsbury and/or Castro), they theoretically could sign Machado for $400M for 10 years ($40M annually) AND Harper for the same or more- and STILL have almost $100M to spend before they worry about luxury tax penalties.

So, if you were the agents for ANY of those players, would you even consider a contract extension unless it was near $40M annually?


Will that be a factor? Absolutely. Keep in mind how much those players may prefer to continue playing where they are for the teams they have come up with provided the money isn't too dissimilar. Those teams know exactly who they may be competing with also.
There  
PaulN : 12/4/2016 9:11 pm : link
Is actually an idiot that thinks they will sign Encarnacion? LOL! Unreal.
I am hoping  
PaulN : 12/4/2016 9:19 pm : link
That Frazier is able to work his way on the roster sometime in the second half of the season, now they do need to address the pitching and if they could upgrade third, that would be a huge bonus. The other two keys for the offense will be Bird and Judge. If Judge could be a 240 hitter and hit 25-30 homers, then he can be serviceable. If Bird could give us what we saw in 2014 that would be perfect for us.
Encarnacion  
PaulN : 12/4/2016 9:21 pm : link
Will be going back to Toronto. I think he would jump at the 4 year 80 mil contract now.
Encarnacion's bat is enticing  
mfsd : 12/4/2016 9:33 pm : link
But not for 4 years. Love the Holliday signing...if we sign another veteran hitter, we need a lefty
Maybe Machado loves the Orioles...  
Dunedin81 : 12/4/2016 9:53 pm : link
Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.

Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.

his HR with a broken thumb  
RasputinPrime : 12/4/2016 10:00 pm : link
was one hell of a way to close that chapter of his career.
Winter Meetings really begin today...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 8:48 am : link
I doubt the Yanks are particularly aggressive, wouldn't shock me if a Chapman deal is the last big thing they pull off.
RE: Maybe Machado loves the Orioles...  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 8:56 am : link
In comment 13248851 Dunedin81 said:
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Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.

Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.


I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.

Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.
The Yankees really want to get below the tax threshold.  
Heisenberg : 12/5/2016 9:14 am : link
I expect them to be in on Chapman and some kind of typical Cashman trade for starting pitching - an arm with lesser results, a la Eovaldi. That's about it. I don't think they will trade Gardner.
RE: RE: Maybe Machado loves the Orioles...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 11:42 am : link
In comment 13249357 pjcas18 said:
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Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.

Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.




I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.

Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.


Pitching is much riskier, look at Strasburg. Signed the extension and then his arm started barking. Looks smart on his part. But for the big-ticket position players, injury risk is considerably lower.
First closer domino  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 11:43 am : link
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 15s16 seconds ago
Sources: #SFGiants close on Melancon.
RE: First closer domino  
Carson53 : 12/5/2016 11:46 am : link
In comment 13249917 Dunedin81 said:
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Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 15s16 seconds ago
Sources: #SFGiants close on Melancon.
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Good, I wouldn't trust that guy in a big market,
failed miserably in Boston. If they can get Chapman
for four years and 75 mill., I would do it.

There is not much in SP out there, glad Rich Hill
is going back to the Dodgers, didn't want him either.
He has played on competitive teams for the last several years...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 12:11 pm : link
and pitched very well. I don't think market size is going to turn him into a pumpkin again overnight.
RE: RE: RE: Maybe Machado loves the Orioles...  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2016 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13249914 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 13248851 Dunedin81 said:


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Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.

Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.




I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.

Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.



Pitching is much riskier, look at Strasburg. Signed the extension and then his arm started barking. Looks smart on his part. But for the big-ticket position players, injury risk is considerably lower.


I agree, my point was to the poster who was saying no one is going to sign an extension at this point (from the 2018 FA class b/c the Yankees stand to have so much money.

I was saying pitchers have incentive to because they are more injury prone and if they get a 25M per year extension offer for 100M or more, what are you really holding out for? that's generational money if handled even semi-responsibly.
RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility  
Vin R : 12/5/2016 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13248198 rich in DC said:
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The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.

Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.

Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.

In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.

Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.

Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.


I like this for a few reasons  
Matt M. : 12/5/2016 12:32 pm : link
First, I like the one year deal. Second, I like this better than Encanacion, who I would not touch. Who knows how he performs away from the chemical clubhouse? Third, it at least makes it seem they had a plan B to Beltran.
I think 13 for Holliday is a LOT of money.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/5/2016 12:32 pm : link
Might as well have matched the Houston offer for Beltran if they were going to go that high for this guy.
RE: I think 13 for Holliday is a LOT of money.  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13250060 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Might as well have matched the Houston offer for Beltran if they were going to go that high for this guy.


It's chump change. 1 WAR is worth about 7.5 million.
RE: He has played on competitive teams for the last several years...  
Carson53 : 12/5/2016 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13250001 Dunedin81 said:
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and pitched very well. I don't think market size is going to turn him into a pumpkin again overnight.



but not big markets, wonder why guys like Burnett and even
a Cervelli play better in a place like Pittsburgh, well it's
not NY for one reason. I saw Melancon a lot living in
New England, you don't want him here. Jensen or Chapman
I can live with either. I don't know why people on here look
3 years down the road as well, a LOT can happen between now
and then. My prediction, the Yanks will not invest 400 mill.
on anybody, Hal would have a conniption.
RE: I think 13 for Holliday is a LOT of money.  
Carson53 : 12/5/2016 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13250060 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Might as well have matched the Houston offer for Beltran if they were going to go that high for this guy.
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Just one year, that's why it is okay.
I truly hope I'm wrong,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/5/2016 12:41 pm : link
but I could see him being horrible next season. His decreasing OPS+ is foreboding.
Holliday's  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2016 12:43 pm : link
excite velocity suggests he's still hitting ropes. Less time in the field should help him. I think both he and Beltran were excellent pickups for both teams.
I think that the Yanks would love to trade Gardner, but aren't  
yatqb : 12/5/2016 12:57 pm : link
looking to give him away. They've got Mason Williams in the wings, and Frazier and Fowler on the way. Gardner's a declining player and doesn't fit into their plans long term.
RE: RE: I think 13 for Holliday is a LOT of money.  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13250087 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13250060 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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Might as well have matched the Houston offer for Beltran if they were going to go that high for this guy.

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Just one year, that's why it is okay.


There's a solid chance, maybe 50/50, that Holliday gives better offensive production than Beltran this year. Beltran was very good in 2016, he was decent in 2015 and he was below average in 2014, and he'll be 40 years old. If Holliday's production was injury-related, it should rebound. Plus, he goes to a better hitter's park. Throw in the fact that he can fake it in the OF better than Beltran can and 1/$13 doesn't look like a bad deal at all.
Hill back to LAD, 3/$48...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 1:23 pm : link
would have been fine with 2/$40 for him, but I'm glad we didn't take the plunge on 3.
Dodgers have a shit load of pitchers.  
Heisenberg : 12/5/2016 1:39 pm : link
Maybe Cash looks into a reunion with Brandon McCarthy?

Kershaw, Kazmir, Hill, Ryu, Urias, DeLeon, Maeda, McCarthy, Wood. I suppose they could just option the Young-uns.
You could easily envision a scenario in which...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 1:40 pm : link
of that group there aren't five healthy arms.
RE: You could easily envision a scenario in which...  
Heisenberg : 12/5/2016 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13250283 Dunedin81 said:
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of that group there aren't five healthy arms.


Also true.
Take the lefty Kasmir  
xman : 12/5/2016 1:56 pm : link
off their hands
is Valbuena available?  
RasputinPrime : 12/5/2016 1:59 pm : link
I read some blog yesterday that was talking about him now potentially being available on the cheap-ish. He would be solid at 1-2 years.
RE: is Valbuena available?  
Carson53 : 12/5/2016 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13250321 RasputinPrime said:
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I read some blog yesterday that was talking about him now potentially being available on the cheap-ish. He would be solid at 1-2 years.
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Sherman was talking about him, said he thinks the Yanks should
go 2/18 for him. Seemed high to me, but he brings versatility.
Unlikely, but interesting...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 2:43 pm : link
FanRag Sports @FanRagSports 51s52 seconds ago
Per @JonHeyman, #Yankees have at least checked in with the #MNTwins on 2B Brian Dozier. #Dodgers interested as well:
eh  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2016 2:46 pm : link
Dozier turns 30 next year, and I'll eat my hat if he ever matches his 2016 numbers again.
Music to my ears...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 2:49 pm : link
Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m1 minute ago
The #Nationals, saying they are taken aback by Bryce Harper's long-term contract request, set to move on after '18
RE: eh  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13250433 Greg from LI said:
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Dozier turns 30 next year, and I'll eat my hat if he ever matches his 2016 numbers again.


40+ HRs is an aberration, but he has been a power hitter for a few years now. Of course, a RH pull hitter at Yankee Stadium negates the power advantage somewhat.
RE: Music to my ears...  
Vin R : 12/5/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13250441 Dunedin81 said:
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Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m1 minute ago
The #Nationals, saying they are taken aback by Bryce Harper's long-term contract request, set to move on after '18


YESSSSSS

he doesn't want to stay in Washington anyway  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2016 3:11 pm : link
Doesn't mean he's definitely Bronx-bound, but I never thought the Nats had a prayer of keeping him after 2018.
I'm excited about Harper...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 3:14 pm : link
but I really hope he starts showing some of that 2015 form if he actually wants that much dough.
I don't understand Dozier. Unless you think 40 homers is his new  
Heisenberg : 12/5/2016 3:16 pm : link
normal, he's not significantly better than Castro.
Castro's OBP was .300 or worse in 3 of the last 4 seasons  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2016 3:22 pm : link
He hit 20 homers. Yay. He's still below average.
Even if Dozier is a 25 HR guy instead of a 40-HR guy...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 3:34 pm : link
he walks and steals bases (for now). Castro doesn't really do either one. Dozier has been an above average offensive player for three years, Castro just once in the last four. Dozier is an upgrade, 2016 Dozier is a significant upgrade. But that doesn't mean it's worth the asking price.
...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 3:36 pm : link
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 3m3 minutes ago
Potential FA after the 2018 season: Harper, Machado, Kershaw, Donaldson, Price, McCutchen, Harvey, Keuchel, Miller, Kimbrel, Britton, more.
Cash emphatically said...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 7:51 pm : link
The report is false and he has had no conversations on Dozier.
Per Ken Rosenthal...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2016 9:29 pm : link
Nats and White Sox making progress on a Sale deal centered around Victor Robles and Lucas Giolito, trying to hash out secondary parts.
nice  
rut17 : 12/6/2016 10:08 am : link
Yankees PR Dept. ‏@YankeesPR 8m8 minutes ago

The @Yankees announce that Derek Jeter will be honored with number retirement and Monument Park plaque on Sunday, May 14.

Rule 5 draft coming up Thursday morning -  
Del Shofner : 12/6/2016 12:55 pm : link
Eric Jagielo is eligible to be taken, I see. Also:

Unprotected players of note in the Yankees' Top 30 include catcher Luis Torrens (No. 17) and outfielder Jake Cave (No. 24), the latter of whom was selected by the Reds in last year's Rule 5 Draft only to be offered back to New York. Other appealing Yankees farmhands left unprotected include right-hander Mark Montgomery and left-hander Tyler Webb.
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