Well he sure as heck isn't going to be playing LF in our stadium. I'm sure he'll follow the same instruction manual we've been feeding Arod and McCann.
The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
RE: Interesting that Holliday's supposed to play 1B some, when he's only Â
The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
RE: RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility Â
With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
There are quite a few people who assume most if not all of these big name players will hit free agency when the likelihood is that most of them will sign extensions and never hit free agency.
RE: RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility Â
The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
Since the Yanks are going to be BIG players in 2018 FA, if you are the agents of any of those big name FA, you make SURE your client does not sign a contract extension unless you are setting a record. Just having the Yanks to play off your own team or other team is worth MILLIONS to those FA.
Let's put it this way- in 2019, the luxury tax line will be about $205M. Assuming that no long term contracts beyond 2018 are signed (or they can trade Ellsbury and/or Castro), they theoretically could sign Machado for $400M for 10 years ($40M annually) AND Harper for the same or more- and STILL have almost $100M to spend before they worry about luxury tax penalties.
So, if you were the agents for ANY of those players, would you even consider a contract extension unless it was near $40M annually?
RE: RE: RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility Â
The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
Since the Yanks are going to be BIG players in 2018 FA, if you are the agents of any of those big name FA, you make SURE your client does not sign a contract extension unless you are setting a record. Just having the Yanks to play off your own team or other team is worth MILLIONS to those FA.
Let's put it this way- in 2019, the luxury tax line will be about $205M. Assuming that no long term contracts beyond 2018 are signed (or they can trade Ellsbury and/or Castro), they theoretically could sign Machado for $400M for 10 years ($40M annually) AND Harper for the same or more- and STILL have almost $100M to spend before they worry about luxury tax penalties.
So, if you were the agents for ANY of those players, would you even consider a contract extension unless it was near $40M annually?
Will that be a factor? Absolutely. Keep in mind how much those players may prefer to continue playing where they are for the teams they have come up with provided the money isn't too dissimilar. Those teams know exactly who they may be competing with also.
That Frazier is able to work his way on the roster sometime in the second half of the season, now they do need to address the pitching and if they could upgrade third, that would be a huge bonus. The other two keys for the offense will be Bird and Judge. If Judge could be a 240 hitter and hit 25-30 homers, then he can be serviceable. If Bird could give us what we saw in 2014 that would be perfect for us.
Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.
Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.
Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.
Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.
I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.
Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.
The Yankees really want to get below the tax threshold. Â
I expect them to be in on Chapman and some kind of typical Cashman trade for starting pitching - an arm with lesser results, a la Eovaldi. That's about it. I don't think they will trade Gardner.
Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.
Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.
I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.
Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.
Pitching is much riskier, look at Strasburg. Signed the extension and then his arm started barking. Looks smart on his part. But for the big-ticket position players, injury risk is considerably lower.
Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.
Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.
I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.
Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.
Pitching is much riskier, look at Strasburg. Signed the extension and then his arm started barking. Looks smart on his part. But for the big-ticket position players, injury risk is considerably lower.
I agree, my point was to the poster who was saying no one is going to sign an extension at this point (from the 2018 FA class b/c the Yankees stand to have so much money.
I was saying pitchers have incentive to because they are more injury prone and if they get a 25M per year extension offer for 100M or more, what are you really holding out for? that's generational money if handled even semi-responsibly.
RE: Looks like the Yanks maintaining flexibility Â
The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
First, I like the one year deal. Second, I like this better than Encanacion, who I would not touch. Who knows how he performs away from the chemical clubhouse? Third, it at least makes it seem they had a plan B to Beltran.
and pitched very well. I don't think market size is going to turn him into a pumpkin again overnight.
but not big markets, wonder why guys like Burnett and even
a Cervelli play better in a place like Pittsburgh, well it's
not NY for one reason. I saw Melancon a lot living in
New England, you don't want him here. Jensen or Chapman
I can live with either. I don't know why people on here look
3 years down the road as well, a LOT can happen between now
and then. My prediction, the Yanks will not invest 400 mill.
on anybody, Hal would have a conniption.
excite velocity suggests he's still hitting ropes. Less time in the field should help him. I think both he and Beltran were excellent pickups for both teams.
I think that the Yanks would love to trade Gardner, but aren't Â
looking to give him away. They've got Mason Williams in the wings, and Frazier and Fowler on the way. Gardner's a declining player and doesn't fit into their plans long term.
RE: RE: I think 13 for Holliday is a LOT of money. Â
Might as well have matched the Houston offer for Beltran if they were going to go that high for this guy.
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Just one year, that's why it is okay.
There's a solid chance, maybe 50/50, that Holliday gives better offensive production than Beltran this year. Beltran was very good in 2016, he was decent in 2015 and he was below average in 2014, and he'll be 40 years old. If Holliday's production was injury-related, it should rebound. Plus, he goes to a better hitter's park. Throw in the fact that he can fake it in the OF better than Beltran can and 1/$13 doesn't look like a bad deal at all.
dag nabbit.
I'm only glad they grabbed Holliday because it makes it less likely they throw away the plan to sign Encarnacion.
Hated the Lindgren pick then, hate it more now.
I don't think Holliday has a big L/R split. He could back up Bird/Austin as well.
Well he sure as heck isn't going to be playing LF in our stadium. I'm sure he'll follow the same instruction manual we've been feeding Arod and McCann.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
As a former 3b I'm sure he's more comfortable in the IF than some other guys.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
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With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
There are quite a few people who assume most if not all of these big name players will hit free agency when the likelihood is that most of them will sign extensions and never hit free agency.
Quote:
The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
Since the Yanks are going to be BIG players in 2018 FA, if you are the agents of any of those big name FA, you make SURE your client does not sign a contract extension unless you are setting a record. Just having the Yanks to play off your own team or other team is worth MILLIONS to those FA.
Let's put it this way- in 2019, the luxury tax line will be about $205M. Assuming that no long term contracts beyond 2018 are signed (or they can trade Ellsbury and/or Castro), they theoretically could sign Machado for $400M for 10 years ($40M annually) AND Harper for the same or more- and STILL have almost $100M to spend before they worry about luxury tax penalties.
So, if you were the agents for ANY of those players, would you even consider a contract extension unless it was near $40M annually?
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In comment 13248198 rich in DC said:
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The Yanks now have an exceptional amount of money coming off the luxury tax calculations after 2017- and it LOOKS like they intend to be under the tax line in 2018 in preparation for the HUGE FA class coming after that season.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
With all the talk about that class i'm wondering how many actually make it to FA.
Since the Yanks are going to be BIG players in 2018 FA, if you are the agents of any of those big name FA, you make SURE your client does not sign a contract extension unless you are setting a record. Just having the Yanks to play off your own team or other team is worth MILLIONS to those FA.
Let's put it this way- in 2019, the luxury tax line will be about $205M. Assuming that no long term contracts beyond 2018 are signed (or they can trade Ellsbury and/or Castro), they theoretically could sign Machado for $400M for 10 years ($40M annually) AND Harper for the same or more- and STILL have almost $100M to spend before they worry about luxury tax penalties.
So, if you were the agents for ANY of those players, would you even consider a contract extension unless it was near $40M annually?
Will that be a factor? Absolutely. Keep in mind how much those players may prefer to continue playing where they are for the teams they have come up with provided the money isn't too dissimilar. Those teams know exactly who they may be competing with also.
Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.
Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.
I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.
Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.
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Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.
Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.
I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.
Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.
Pitching is much riskier, look at Strasburg. Signed the extension and then his arm started barking. Looks smart on his part. But for the big-ticket position players, injury risk is considerably lower.
Sources: #SFGiants close on Melancon.
Sources: #SFGiants close on Melancon.
Good, I wouldn't trust that guy in a big market,
failed miserably in Boston. If they can get Chapman
for four years and 75 mill., I would do it.
There is not much in SP out there, glad Rich Hill
is going back to the Dodgers, didn't want him either.
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Nobody else seems to. Hell, Chris Davis was a Camden creation and he was daring anyone to get within the O's range. And Harper has no particular loyalty to the Nats either. You'll see an extension or two but there will be a buttload of money waiting to be spent that offseason.
Holliday is a great signing. His 2016 production was still valuable, even at that dollar figure, and there is a good chance that if healthy he is closer to career norms.
I think the pitchers could be enticed to sign before FA strictly because of the risk pitchers have with their health. Matt Harvey, Dallas Kuechel, Britton, and others on their first FA contract.
Kershaw, Price, etc. who have already made a ton I could see waiting it out to pick their team.
Pitching is much riskier, look at Strasburg. Signed the extension and then his arm started barking. Looks smart on his part. But for the big-ticket position players, injury risk is considerably lower.
I agree, my point was to the poster who was saying no one is going to sign an extension at this point (from the 2018 FA class b/c the Yankees stand to have so much money.
I was saying pitchers have incentive to because they are more injury prone and if they get a 25M per year extension offer for 100M or more, what are you really holding out for? that's generational money if handled even semi-responsibly.
Think about this. After 2017, the Yanks will have only the following under contract: Ellsbury $21.143M, Gardner $11.5M, Headley $13M, and Castro $10.857. Technically, Tanaka is also under contract for $22M- but he has an opt out after 2017 that he will almost certainly exercise.
Thus, the Yanks will have only $56.5M allocated (with that bumping up to $78.5M if Tanaka doesn't opt out.Add in that the only major arbitration cases for the winter of 2017 are Betances, Didi, and Warren.
In short, going into 2018, the Yanks are positioned not only to be BELOW the luxury tax line- but WAY below.
Then- consider this- after 2018, the only contracts left will be Ellsbury ($21.143) and Castro ($11.857- and will be a FA after 2018). Technically, Tanaka will also be under contract, but the opt out after 2017 changes this number.
Think about that- when the BIG class of FA hits- the Yanks will have an EXTRAORDINARY amount of money to spend.
It's chump change. 1 WAR is worth about 7.5 million.
but not big markets, wonder why guys like Burnett and even
a Cervelli play better in a place like Pittsburgh, well it's
not NY for one reason. I saw Melancon a lot living in
New England, you don't want him here. Jensen or Chapman
I can live with either. I don't know why people on here look
3 years down the road as well, a LOT can happen between now
and then. My prediction, the Yanks will not invest 400 mill.
on anybody, Hal would have a conniption.
Just one year, that's why it is okay.
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Might as well have matched the Houston offer for Beltran if they were going to go that high for this guy.
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Just one year, that's why it is okay.
There's a solid chance, maybe 50/50, that Holliday gives better offensive production than Beltran this year. Beltran was very good in 2016, he was decent in 2015 and he was below average in 2014, and he'll be 40 years old. If Holliday's production was injury-related, it should rebound. Plus, he goes to a better hitter's park. Throw in the fact that he can fake it in the OF better than Beltran can and 1/$13 doesn't look like a bad deal at all.
Kershaw, Kazmir, Hill, Ryu, Urias, DeLeon, Maeda, McCarthy, Wood. I suppose they could just option the Young-uns.
Also true.
Sherman was talking about him, said he thinks the Yanks should
go 2/18 for him. Seemed high to me, but he brings versatility.