but I'm less optimistic about this team's chances to make postseason noise. The pass rush piece could be there, but I just don't see a credible 2nd receiver that can beat playoff defenses. We had 3 guys in 2011.
RE: Ereck Flowers is to LT what Ian Allen is to RT
Flowers makes me long for the days of Luke Petitgout
He's not improving much if any. He's actually pretty good when he moves his feet but that's vanishingly rare. Stand and reaching is just asking for whiffs and penalties.
The offense has been broken all year. It was broken last week against the worst defense in the league, it was broken today against a pretty mediocre Steelers defense and there's really no reason to think it won't be broken next week either.
Defense wasn't great but really, this loss is on the offense.
We are still up 2 games on the playoffs with 4 to go, and the next 2 are at home. Plus one of our games is against Philly who seems to have packed it in.
We control our own playoff destiny. We just need to get our offense on track
But do I miss Rueben Randell. Cruz just doesn't have it. Shep is a slot WR. We need a WR opposite OBJ, a TE, possibly another RB, and help all around the OLine.
RE: RE: Ereck Flowers is to LT what Ian Allen is to RT
Flowers makes me long for the days of Luke Petitgout
He's not improving much if any. He's actually pretty good when he moves his feet but that's vanishingly rare. Stand and reaching is just asking for whiffs and penalties.
Not an excuse but I think it's hard for him to improve when the entire line is a shit show and out LG has been a revolving door the last three or so games. I agree it's frustrating and my patience is waning also, but this is what it is for this year.
IF we are able to upgrade the OLine (significantly) and the TE position in this upcoming offseason, we will be contenders.
Flowers is horrific. Eli wants no part of taking a hit behind this OLine, and the running game sucks, too. Defense is good, but they can't do everything and do it every single week.
They don't play against each other. I hate when they bring that up. Aikman was really bad today and I usually think he's fair, but man that was a terribly called game.
The offensive line worries me less than the skill guys
They don't play against each other. I hate when they bring that up. Aikman was really bad today and I usually think he's fair, but man that was a terribly called game.
Ben is a better QB than Eli. It's okay to accept it at this point.
They don't play against each other. I hate when they bring that up. Aikman was really bad today and I usually think he's fair, but man that was a terribly called game.
Hard to say that when the Giants played a terrible game on offense too.
But do I miss Rueben Randell. Cruz just doesn't have it. Shep is a slot WR. We need a WR opposite OBJ, a TE, possibly another RB, and help all around the OLine.
We miss his size. We have to many short receivers.
They played their hearts out and did their best to keep the offense in the game. But the offense, ugh. And yeah, Eli was a part of the problem. I'm a big Eli guy but I have to admit, he's looked off for a while.
Hasn't Victor Cruz been targeted 2 times in the last 3 games?
I'd rather have lost this game than one to a NFC opponent and it was highly unlikely we were going to run the table. Even if we can go 3-1 the rest of the way, this will be a successful season at 11-5 . At least that's how I'm trying to look at it.
They played their hearts out and did their best to keep the offense in the game. But the offense, ugh. And yeah, Eli was a part of the problem. I'm a big Eli guy but I have to admit, he's looked off for a while.
Hasn't Victor Cruz been targeted 2 times in the last 3 games?
I wonder if he's playing through an injury - which I've suspected about Richburg as well.
Cruz is JAG at this point sadly.
As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
I'd rather have lost this game than one to a NFC opponent and it was highly unlikely we were going to run the table. Even if we can go 3-1 the rest of the way, this will be a successful season at 11-5 . At least that's how I'm trying to look at it.
This is correct. This game was the one to lose, if we had to lose one. Of all 5 this was the least important, and likely the hardest one.
biggest problem is the OL. Our tackles can't handle speed rushers. Flowers looks like a slightly better version of James Brewer. RIchburg gets no push. He's frequently pushed back.
No running game, and constantly throwing against six and seven DBs puts pressure on Eli. This is part of the reason nobody but OBJ is ever open. But Eli has missed a lot of throws, and it looks like he has lost some arm strength.
We have no breakaway RB. Perkins is a "make you miss" RB, but won't run away from anyone.
We have no TE who can threaten the seam. Tye is a very good move the chains TE, but doesn't have the speed to get up the middle. Not sure about Adams.
But do I miss Rueben Randell. Cruz just doesn't have it. Shep is a slot WR. We need a WR opposite OBJ, a TE, possibly another RB, and help all around the OLine.
There is no situation that Ruben Randle can fix.
I feel the same with Donnell. I felt uneasy the moment I saw him in the game, and then, boom.
during the week. And I think the Dallas win at Minnesota took air out of the Giants sails trying to win the East. Eli's pick pretty much put the Giants in catch up mode all game.
I still think they beat Dallas next week. The Giants need this game more than they do and they are due for a clunker. The Giants will beat them and I see them finishing with the #5 seed at 10-6 or 11-5.
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
At this point I'm just hoping somebody stops the Cowboys from marching to 18-1.
But do I miss Rueben Randell. Cruz just doesn't have it. Shep is a slot WR. We need a WR opposite OBJ, a TE, possibly another RB, and help all around the OLine.
Seriously? You miss him? If he's in this game Eli throws 4 picks, not 2.
Patient? He's shown that he hasn't improved at all from last year. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year with injuries and what not but it's time to face facts that he isn't a left tackle by any stretch of the imagination
me of the Packers game. Couple good drives, couldn't take advantage of anything and ultimately got outplayed throughout the majority and didn't have enough to stay in it.
biggest problem is the OL. Our tackles can't handle speed rushers. Flowers looks like a slightly better version of James Brewer. RIchburg gets no push. He's frequently pushed back.
No running game, and constantly throwing against six and seven DBs puts pressure on Eli. This is part of the reason nobody but OBJ is ever open. But Eli has missed a lot of throws, and it looks like he has lost some arm strength.
We have no breakaway RB. Perkins is a "make you miss" RB, but won't run away from anyone.
We have no TE who can threaten the seam. Tye is a very good move the chains TE, but doesn't have the speed to get up the middle. Not sure about Adams.
We also desperately need a coverage LB.
Acid, I don't think he's lost arm strength. I think it's bad fundamentals resulting for battered QB syndrome.
me of the Packers game. Couple good drives, couldn't take advantage of anything and ultimately got outplayed throughout the majority and didn't have enough to stay in it.
Yep, really you could just change uniforms. It was like watching a rerun.
on Thursday makes this much less painful. Total fantasy that we were in the hunt for the division. Split the last 4 and we'll almost surely get our first playoff spot in 5 years.
we need to start watching out for Tampa. They are hot and I could see the worst case scenario of Dallas finding a way to beat the Giants and then rolling over "like a dog" as Simms used to say to Tampa and losing, putting the Giants and Skins in trouble.
He had a phantom holding call, and then 1 illegal procedure call. Much better than Jerry (for instance). I thought he was ok. Hart is starting to look like the real deal at RT.
when it's tie breaker time, a loss on the road to an AFC team isn't the worst thing. If I had to pick a game they had to lose in this final 5 game stretch, it would be this one.
on Thursday makes this much less painful. Total fantasy that we were in the hunt for the division. Split the last 4 and we'll almost surely get our first playoff spot in 5 years.
Need to hope for a Seahawks loss also tonight, make today's shitshow much more palatable
but he needs to sit for Perkins...and McAdoo absolutely needs to do something about the O-line...if McAdoo can't fix these 2 issues, then this season going down in flames is on him.
They don't play against each other. I hate when they bring that up. Aikman was really bad today and I usually think he's fair, but man that was a terribly called game.
Ben is a better QB than Eli. It's okay to accept it at this point.
I don't think so......but that's my opinion and to bring up the point that Ben is 3-1 head to head against Eli is a ridiculous statement.
That has to go into the the Troy Aikman Bias Hall of Fame .
He ignored every uncalled flag (holds, PI) that would favor the NY Giants (except implying Beckham is a "crybaby"), and repeatedly replayed "uncalled" flags on Pittsburg.
but he needs to sit for Perkins...and McAdoo absolutely needs to do something about the O-line...if McAdoo can't fix these 2 issues, then this season going down in flames is on him.
I agree with this. Jennings needs a better blocking line in front of him. Perkins gives us something we need.
biggest problem is the OL. Our tackles can't handle speed rushers. Flowers looks like a slightly better version of James Brewer. RIchburg gets no push. He's frequently pushed back.
Agreed that Flowers is a problem, but I think Hart played pretty well. But let's face it, the holding penalty for the Safety was weak. Villanueva was wrapping up Vernon all game and wasn't getting called.
They have struggled offensively against some of the worst defenses in the league. This guy McAdoo is over his head. I really underestimated Tommy's impact on game planning and in game adjustments.
The first warning sign was not being able to score on NEw Orleans shitty defense at home.
1. this team has for too long ignored 5-15 yards from the LOS. that means ignoring TE on offense, ignoring LBs on defense. it seemingly bites us every week - - on both sides
2. our # 2 and # 3 WRs are non-existent. disgraceful. either they get zero separation or Eli doesn't look at them. blame the run game, but there are several plays where Eli has time and no one is open.
3. the OL is disgusting.
a. Flowers may be the biggest first round bust this franchise has had in quite some time if he's continually left to dry at LT. he's flagged multiple times per game (ticky tack on the safety or not), he's beaten on most plays he's NOT flagged on, and quite frankly the one "real" TD we got today could've easily been called back on yet another blatant hold from him.
b. Jerry was obliterated on the 4th down pass play to Tye, where if Eli gets half an extra second, Beckham is standing wide open
c. Newhouse is not a guard. clearly.
4. this is a championship caliber defense even with glaring holes at LB. you can't fault a defense that time and again puts the offense in good position just to see them piss it away. and seeing as how the offense can't actually sustain a drive (we had literally ONE today, which ended in the game's biggest play; the INT), the D is starting to get gassed late in the game.
5. Eli is not the QB we saw the last couple of years. i'm not saying get rid of him or anything absurd, but anyone that believes he's playing at the same level as 2011, 2014, 2015 is delusional. i still trust him, but i don't think he's the same and its showing.
going backwards. And when he's driven back like he was on that one play the refs should have blown the whistle, BUT, he should have known there was NO WAY he could make a play happen after spinning free and running back forward again. He was back tracking on every catch.
This offense just needs to play high risk throughout the entire game like they did the last two seasons. We scored a ton because we had to risk it in countless shoot outs.
RE: RE: RE: Wtf cares is Big Ben is 3-1 against Eli?!
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
He had a phantom holding call, and then 1 illegal procedure call. Much better than Jerry (for instance). I thought he was ok. Hart is starting to look like the real deal at RT.
Flowers was real lucky to not get called for holding on Jennings's TD.
I also think Ben should relinquish playcalling (bite my tongue)
otherwise we might find ourselves on the outside of the playoffs again. I hate to say that because of how far we've come this year and were finding ways to win. TB is now 7-5 and breathing down our necks in the Wild Crad too and so is Atlanta. Next week becomes an extremely important game for us and how confident can you be about our offense winning a game against the Cowboys, even at home?!
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
Hmm. You said the Eagles would run the table prior to the Packer game.
He had a phantom holding call, and then 1 illegal procedure call. Much better than Jerry (for instance). I thought he was ok. Hart is starting to look like the real deal at RT.
Flowers was real lucky to not get called for holding on Jennings's TD.
Yea he held the shit out of Timmons. I wouldn't have been surprised if they called it. Anytime this team has a big explosive momentum changing play he's there to bring it back with penalty.
Of these last five gauntlet games this is the one they could most afford to lose. The division is lost but we can still get inside the Cowboys head with a win next week, remember what happened to our former coach in '99 the Jaguars only lost to one team, Tennessee the entire year but lost to them THREE times. BELIEVE!!! Yes I have been drinking
otherwise we might find ourselves on the outside of the playoffs again. I hate to say that because of how far we've come this year and were finding ways to win. TB is now 7-5 and breathing down our necks in the Wild Crad too and so is Atlanta. Next week becomes an extremely important game for us and how confident can you be about our offense winning a game against the Cowboys, even at home?!
Its TB or ATL... we dont have to worry about both. One will win the division and go in, we'd have to compete with the other for a wildcard.
to address the OL next year bigtime. Starts in the trenchs, 57 yards rushing today, f-n horrible.
He tried, he's just not being successful. But we have 3 1st or second round picks in the line. Pugh is pretty good, Richburg seemed decent last year (but frankly I think that might have been a bit of mirage) and Flowers needs to go to RT. If we pick in the mid 20's not sure we're going to get a LT candidate (isn't not meant to be a poor offensive tackle draft?) and we're certainly not getting one in FA.
going into today. Now, I'm pretty sure we're f'ed. The team overall is better than last year, mostly due to the defense, but the offense is broken. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't they can compete with the better teams they're facing the rest of the season.
The play calling is predictable and unimaginative. The one surprise gave the offense its only (non-garbage) TD. The issue, IMO, is not merely getting to the playoffs, but winning. The D is good or very good; the O is terrible. Where is Beatty? Is he really worse than any of the other 5? McAdoo strikes me as being as stubborn as he is unimaginative. Until McAdoo, Manning (who has no confidence), and the OL (poorly coached) improve, we'll continue to see defensive players fight for 40 minutes per game in losing efforts.
Can you imagine 'IF' Eli puts touch on the ball on the first INT and gets the easy touchdown? We then score 21 points total...
Can you imagine 'IF' on the fourth and short on the seven yard line, Tye doesn't drop the easy touchdown? Final score is now 28. Four points higher then Pittsburgh.
Can you imagine 'IF' on the Pitt TD scramble play halfway through the second quarter JJ pushes Brown out of the endzone before he has a chance to land in bounds? Would probably take four points off the board, making it 20 points for Pitt.
As shitty as we played, we actually, in a messed up, "if's and buts way, could have won this game. Sad thought process but it's oddly true.
We can't move Flowers to RT because of Hart. Flowers could play right guard. Maybe have Pugh or Beatty play LT. Put Jones in at LG. Keep Jerry and Newhouse on the bench where they belong.
RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
when it's tie breaker time, a loss on the road to an AFC team isn't the worst thing. If I had to pick a game they had to lose in this final 5 game stretch, it would be this one.
and this is not a team that was going to carry an 11 game win streak into the postseason.
sometimes a loss is hood in the long run. this loss has the chance to be. we played a tough team in a tough venue and generally beat ourselves. our young players and exspecially our young coach have a lot to gain from this loss.
take the hit. learn from it. come back strong next week. let the the team come alive infront of the home crowd pull one out of our ass and surg into the playoffs
Richburg and Pugh are in the better 3rd, maybe top 25% at their position. Flowers - man, I'd love to know what McAdoo and the OL Coaches think about him.
Keep in mind, the two players Giants were rumored to have coveted are starting and playing well for the Titans.
RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
Explain your opinion of the Eagles running the table at 5-5.
RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
Hmm. You said the Eagles would run the table prior to the Packer game.
Wrong. I said their schedule was set up for them to run the table after the Packer game. I will say that, while they appear to be faltering, they will play the NYG tough at home and very well can saddle us with a devastating week 16 loss. The Linc is a House of Horrors for the NYG.
I don't take glee at all. I hate when the NYG lose. I want to see them win 10 and get valuable playoff experience (win or lose) for 2017. It's frustrating because I don't get paid to put a team together or to evaluate talent and I saw this coming back in the spring, yet everyone in the FO said they had faith in the abilities along the OL. Yes we are 8-4, but I don't see how anyone can be confident of playoffs with what lies ahead. We don't score enough. Even against bad defenses.
Cant throw accurate long or short now
And forces obj cause Cruz sucks...Sterling is
Rookie...no running game...no oline
We need mobile qb and playmakers on O
Based on the personnel we played against. They got abused all game long. The pick thrown in Shepard direction is a touchdown if Eli has time to set his feet, being forced to throw the ball constantly within 1 of 2 yards of the line is scrimmage because of pressure. Just a horrific showing by the o line.
so much of 07-11, the panic, sky is falling over the top we hate our team idiocy. This was, as far as can be, a total Zebra home stadium sellout. Who knows who might have won in a real football game, our guys seemed to me to, on the field, be far stronger. But the BBI tone is so far from reality again. This team is indomninable. We, will gain the inevitable triumph, count on it, to paraphrase. One thing only, coaching needs to stop, as does most of you BBI, assuming that the new G-Men are not ready to meet these sucky opponents on an even keel. A 6-5 team, led by a pudgy pudding, give me a break.
RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
You've been predicting the demise of this team for two months and you vanish whenever the Giants win. Now you want to pound every thread with I told you so posts even though the Giants are still in a good spot. You're a such a miserable, worthless fuck who doesn't have the balls to buy his money where his mouth is.
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Well said dim, this is the last BS we need to hear right now. If they had taken a more conservative approach, would have been right there at the end.
that's because he does. and when he's not holding (the false start today was a nice touch...), he's getting completely toasted by any and all speed rushers.
# 9 pick overall. amazing.
RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Well said dim, this is the last BS we need to hear right now. If they had taken a more conservative approach, would have been right there at the end.
Beckham looks like a fucking clown out there begging for a flag after every play. Flowers is a fucking pussy who i never want to see in a giants uniform again. Eli was fucking awful today. Why the fuck is donnell on the field? Haven't we learned our lesson since london? What a fucking shitshow this game.
The six game winning streak was smoke and mirrors. And I think most Giant fans who are honest knew we probably would lose this game. Pitt is very tough at home.
Mac lets D bail out O and plays conservative.
This week they were going down field more?
Pitt let us run and covrd wrs...it worked.
Mac is bad play caller..should give Sully
Try but wont...eli cant throw an accurate
Pass so get used to ints....
We may lose next 4
The guy had played next to 4 guards this year, 3 of whom probably shouldn't be playing. Let's see what happens when Pugh gets back full time. Maybe someone can comment on this but the Pitt LT blocking Vernon looked like he was doing the same things Flowers was doing but no calls. !
Also, did it look like the Steeler secondary got away with a whole lot of questionable plays well behind 5 yards beyond the LOS.
Last, check out Big Bens record at home & this was close to a must win for them. At least a non conference loss
Mac lets D bail out O and plays conservative.
This week they were going down field more?
Pitt let us run and covrd wrs...it worked.
Mac is bad play caller..should give Sully
Try but wont...eli cant throw an accurate
Pass so get used to ints....
We may lose next 4
Totally agee. Giants O was totally outcoached. Mara promoted the wrong assistant.
Is crying somewhere knowing 8mil to Cruz was
Mistake...Harris 3.5 mil...wr/st...2 injury
Prone guys. We have no deep threat except
Lewis and he is underthrown or runs wrong
Route...king should be playing. .
You have an O coach and he cant have a
Good offense..Spags doin better job
W D...fire Mac and get real OC..
Is crying somewhere knowing 8mil to Cruz was
Mistake...Harris 3.5 mil...wr/st...2 injury
Prone guys. We have no deep threat except
Lewis and he is underthrown or runs wrong
Route...king should be playing. .
You have an O coach and he cant have a
Good offense..Spags doin better job
W D...fire Mac and get real OC..
during the week. And I think the Dallas win at Minnesota took air out of the Giants sails trying to win the East. Eli's pick pretty much put the Giants in catch up mode all game.
I still think they beat Dallas next week. The Giants need this game more than they do and they are due for a clunker. The Giants will beat them and I see them finishing with the #5 seed at 10-6 or 11-5.
Let's hope JPP isn't hurt too badly.
Matt, you're among the most rational and informed of posters here. I agree with your 1st and 3rd paras, but your 2nd para echoes a post you made earlier in the week, either to the effect that the Giants' OL is analogous to where the OL was in 2011 or that the Dallas OL was due for a fail, in addition to saying that Dallas was certain to falter. Hate to say this, but Cowpukes have been a model of consistency. It's clunker may have come against the Vikes and a League best d. Hope is not a viable strategy.
I was fearful we might but the game was worse than I feared.
Much of that was the officiating. Flowers already has a sign on his back in their mind:FLAG ME WHENEVER! and OBJ is the badboy in the battle with JNorman, and the sign on his back is: NEVER THROW THE FLAG TO HELP THIS GUY!
And Yes they missed opportunities and made mistakes where they may have ended up winning anyway, but I just can't get past the hometown calls and thinking what if (the sideline OPI on OBJ set in he trend).
RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
The disappearing act during the win streak was very enjoyable. How are those great moves the Eagles made panning out for you?
RE: RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
You've been predicting the demise of this team for two months and you vanish whenever the Giants win. Now you want to pound every thread with I told you so posts even though the Giants are still in a good spot. You're a such a miserable, worthless fuck who doesn't have the balls to buy his money where his mouth is.
Bullshit. I post here just about every day. And I've yet to be wrong this year. About anything.
I live by one rule: I don't wager with anyone I don't respect. You're a fucking nobody who apparently hates that I'm always right about the NYG.
RE: RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other
Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
The disappearing act during the win streak was very enjoyable. How are those great moves the Eagles made panning out for you?
Disappearing act?
If you think I haven't been posting just about every day all season, you must be dumb.
Since you think I'm an Eagle fan, it's worse than dumb, actually: you're a fucking moron.
Out coached and out played
jlukes : 7:38 pm : link : reply
you would think that the Giants defense didn't prepare for any sort of screen game
Eli clearly does not trust his offensive line, and to some degree, the playcalling.
The Giants offense has absolutely no identity other than force feeding the ball to OBJ. McAdoo seems like he is in over his head.
I know you are who your record says you are, but the Giants need to be one of the worst 8-4 teams I have ever seen
I don't think were the worst 8-4 team we could easily
end up 8-8 The offense has nothing going for it right now
they can't put a drive together . And the Defense is
starting to break down physically and is sure doesn't
help when we get a lead and go into fetal position .
The dink and dunk will lead to more punts and turnovers .
McAdoo this and Flowers that and Eli this and the officiating that.............. and only if Tye held onto the ball????
Really? Can we be totally honest with ourselves?
Our 2016 Giants are just a very mediocre team!!!!!!!!!!!
Many felt this was a 9-7 team yet i did not expect no significant progress from Flowers.
Has age caught up to the QB or are we on the doorstep of a real problem? He has to be better than this. I think there is more in the tank yet his age doesn't guarantee anything.
not contenders today, lot of people sucked today.
The O Line, LB's were abused, Eli of course.
The defense was okay, needed a stop after Giants made it
14-7, they let them march down the filed for another TD,
that was essentially ballgame. I hope they can get to
10 wins.
Eagles have lost three straight, can't score...and he says "they appear to be faltering"......
Why the mods let The_Boss troll his way around here is a great fucking mystery. He's the worst iteration of troll, talks a ton of shit when the team is down, and takes his shit on the road when they win. Call him out on it, and starts in with the personal attacks.
Great fucking job, mods. I'm remembering you during the next contribution cycle.
Eagles have lost three straight, can't score...and he says "they appear to be faltering"......
Why the mods let The_Boss troll his way around here is a great fucking mystery. He's the worst iteration of troll, talks a ton of shit when the team is down, and takes his shit on the road when they win. Call him out on it, and starts in with the personal attacks.
Great fucking job, mods. I'm remembering you during the next contribution cycle.
Him and Realgiants, whose only goal is to ruin the game thread as much as possible
and i knew it would be. Look, your team just went on an impressive 6 game win streak and you act like them getting a 7th in a row is a god given right. If you had to pick a game in the remaining schedule to lose, this was the one. If you felt confident going into todays game, you're an idiot.
Winning today would have been awesome, it didn't happen, we're 8-4, stop crying like a little pussy.
The Giants are next to last in time of possession this year to only SF... 14 run plays vs. 41 pass plays. Time of possession in favor of Steelers by almost 9 minutes. The defense is good and held its own again. No team can win with defense on the field more than not.
#7 in passing plays versus run plays this year- historically, if you stop the run and make Eli beat you; when he's on he's on, when not... 2 interception game again; panic throws instead of taking a hit; only 2 sacks.
If you look at offensive line stats, the Giants are consistent with yardage to the left and up the middle, instead once again, we try to force the run to the right.
Sick to death of 3rd and short and incomplete 20+ yard attempts.
Giants averaged 4.0 yards per carry against Steelers. 4x3 = 12 yards = 1st down.
Giants 14 run plays for 4.0 average/ Steelers 30 run plays for 3.9 average.
Couple of REAL debatable penalties- how come we don't get the Cowboy's refs? OBJ was right in calling them out.
Dallas can be beat again this year. Pressure on Dick and continue the run stopping like the first game by keying on Z. Giants won't burn up the field with runs, but run consistently up the gut and to the left instead of relying solely on Eli to beat them. In the 1st game we passed the ball 28 times and ran the ball 24 times and WON.
Can you imagine 'IF' Eli puts touch on the ball on the first INT and gets the easy touchdown? We then score 21 points total...
Can you imagine 'IF' on the fourth and short on the seven yard line, Tye doesn't drop the easy touchdown? Final score is now 28. Four points higher then Pittsburgh.
Can you imagine 'IF' on the Pitt TD scramble play halfway through the second quarter JJ pushes Brown out of the endzone before he has a chance to land in bounds? Would probably take four points off the board, making it 20 points for Pitt.
As shitty as we played, we actually, in a messed up, "if's and buts way, could have won this game. Sad thought process but it's oddly true.
How would that first INTS have been an easy TD? Donnell was already falling backward with the ball in the air and the DB was right behind him. G-d forbid he would actually make a catch in complete control of his body. If that got over Timmons head, there is an excellent chance it went incomplete and we would all be cursing Donnell right now.
Richburg and Pugh are in the better 3rd, maybe top 25% at their position. Flowers - man, I'd love to know what McAdoo and the OL Coaches think about him.
Keep in mind, the two players Giants were rumored to have coveted are starting and playing well for the Titans.
I still maintain he was never drafted with LT in mind. Nothing they said or did after the draft belies that. It wasn't until Beatty got hurt that he was moved over and the comments came out that they were going to move him there eventually.
and i knew it would be. Look, your team just went on an impressive 6 game win streak and you act like them getting a 7th in a row is a god given right. If you had to pick a game in the remaining schedule to lose, this was the one. If you felt confident going into todays game, you're an idiot.
Winning today would have been awesome, it didn't happen, we're 8-4, stop crying like a little pussy.
And it'll continue to happen unless we win the Super Bowl. When before the season 8-9 wins would have been a solid improvement.
We're 8-4 and people are whinning like little girls
not surprised at the result. The Giants OL can't handle a decent DL especially in the middle. Jerry and Richburg were routinely manhandled. Eli (though not great himself)said he was not able to get to his "2nd and third options"
* The Eli pick at 5-0 was a killer, but I still don't think they win if he hits the TD. The offense just can't sustain drives.
* The defense was valiant, but on the field WAAAAY too long.
* Eli Apple is the real deal. As is Vernon. What a difference since his wrist healed and he can use 2 hands. Loved the way he hammered Big Ben to the turf.
* Seems that Flowers is going to get a cheap penalty every week now. That Safety was bullshit. HARRISON was holding, had 2 fists full of Flowers shirt.
* Perhaps the 2 best WRs in the game played yesterday. One made some pretty plays and was a pro, the other acted like an immature jerk from the 3rd grade. Can you guess which was which? I'm tired of Beckham's shit. He had one legit gripe, the late hit. The rest is bullshit and has to stop. I was happy to see McAdoo pull him aside after the stupid chucking of the ball at the Steelers bench, which could have cost a 15 yd PF.
* does anyone else think that Jennings looks really slow? He's game, but it seemed like there were plays to be made if he were a step quicker. I think Perkins needs to be featured more.
* I think Hart looked good, and Newhouse looks better inside. He's stronger physically than Jerry, maybe he moves to RG when Pugh returns. Hart also seems to have become Beckham's baby sitter, pulling him away and calming him down from his stupid rants.
RE: We're 8-4 and people are whinning like little girls
And these are the same people who said we were going 6-10 or 7-9.
We control our own playoff destiny and have 4 winnable games coming. Suck it up buttercup.
Well, the "Suck it up Buttercup" crowd can all sing Kumbaya together waiting for this shit ass offense to flower. Becaue, I don't think it's happening this year. We have better pieces this year with the same OL yet are far, FAR WORSE on offense. Not one game over 28 points through 12 games, EVEN against the winless Browns. We can't even win T.O.P. against a WINLESS TEAM. Maybe you are OK with that, but if you look at the largest change on offense, it's COACHING. Go ahead and sing Kumbaya. I find it disturbing, and it sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies moving forward in the last years of Eli's prime.
RE: If's and But's time....
Matt M. : 6:20 am : link : reply
If that got over Timmons head, there is an excellent chance it went incomplete and we would all be cursing Donnell right now.
But we would still have the ball, and have a third down play.....that interception was huge.....would you rather have a 7-5 game with momentum, or the 0-11 game that we had, at the time?
...but bigger picture (at least my point of view). I tried to look at the expectations of this team in the summer and then as the season approached. Obviously with injuries (to the entire league - not just G-Men) and the way a season progresses, the team goals and expectations adjust. Following 2015, I never thought we can fix the team in one off season.
You never throw away a team with 8 wins at November's end but we ran into a tough game. Can it be like 2007 (Viking - Eli skittish game) or 2011 (Redskins game) where it is just a hiccup? We will see. Maybe this is just a blip for the 2016 Championship DVD?
Personally, this season has surpassed my expectations, I am not giving up on this year but I think 2017 is going to be a good year for us. There are A LOT of positives. Even with how bad we looked. We have a December 11 game against Dallas that still has meaning. Is the division a bit of a reach? Sure but we have big games in December. I feel great about that. Sorry about my pom poms.
RE: We're 8-4 and people are whinning like little girls
And these are the same people who said we were going 6-10 or 7-9.
We control our own playoff destiny and have 4 winnable games coming. Suck it up buttercup.
Yep. The defense will keep the Giants in games. They have an excellent shot at a WC, and a lot of teams in the hunt still have plenty of tough games remaining.
It's amazing to me how some fans react in lieu of the recent 07 and 11 runs. People forget those teams had some pretty bad losses down the home stretch. A lot worse than yesterday's loss.
RE: posted this to the wrong thread sorry: added a couple of thoughts
* does anyone else think that Jennings looks really slow? He's game, but it seemed like there were plays to be made if he were a step quicker. I think Perkins needs to be featured more.
I think Perkins ALSO looks slow. To me, not an explosive back - yes, has speed once he gets rolling, clearly has great vision in space - but the instant he gets the ball, I don't see that quickness that the great backs have. Bradshaw had it. Tiki had it. Jacobs even had it. Perkins first steps always lack explosion, IMO. Still - think he should be #1.
Out coached and out played
jlukes : 7:38 pm : link : reply
you would think that the Giants defense didn't prepare for any sort of screen game
Eli clearly does not trust his offensive line, and to some degree, the playcalling.
The Giants offense has absolutely no identity other than force feeding the ball to OBJ. McAdoo seems like he is in over his head.
I know you are who your record says you are, but the Giants need to be one of the worst 8-4 teams I have ever seen
I don't think were the worst 8-4 team we could easily
end up 8-8 The offense has nothing going for it right now
they can't put a drive together . And the Defense is
starting to break down physically and is sure doesn't
help when we get a lead and go into fetal position .
The dink and dunk will lead to more punts and turnovers .
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
RE: RE: My head hurts but I agree with your take ..
Out coached and out played
jlukes : 7:38 pm : link : reply
you would think that the Giants defense didn't prepare for any sort of screen game
Eli clearly does not trust his offensive line, and to some degree, the playcalling.
The Giants offense has absolutely no identity other than force feeding the ball to OBJ. McAdoo seems like he is in over his head.
I know you are who your record says you are, but the Giants need to be one of the worst 8-4 teams I have ever seen
I don't think were the worst 8-4 team we could easily
end up 8-8 The offense has nothing going for it right now
they can't put a drive together . And the Defense is
starting to break down physically and is sure doesn't
help when we get a lead and go into fetal position .
The dink and dunk will lead to more punts and turnovers .
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
Yep. Just about every D has a weakness, for the Giants it's LB.Pittsburgh took advantage of it.
I still thought the D had a solid game though. They were just on the field too long. The offense can't sustain anything.
is one of the most unlikeable players the Giants have had in quite some time.
unlikeable? how so? he comes out every week a plays hard, plays hurt. Sure I'd like to see his progress speed up, but he is progressing.
You want unlikeable, look at whiner-in-chief #13.
I ahve to agree here about Flowers. Since day one, he has belied any concerns about work ethic. He has worked hard on and off the field and played hurt. You may not like the productivity, but how is he an unlikeable player in general?
RE: My head hurts but I agree with your take ..
gmenatlarge : 10:57 am : link : reply
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
So didn't Collins? Have no idea what he was thinking on that td pass to Green...
RE: My head hurts but I agree with your take ..
gmenatlarge : 10:57 am : link : reply
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
So didn't Collins? Have no idea what he was thinking on that td pass to Green...
He bit on the short route, and Green turned up field. It happens.
RE: My head hurts but I agree with your take ..
gmenatlarge : 10:57 am : link : reply
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
So didn't Collins? Have no idea what he was thinking on that td pass to Green...
On the Collins play, it developed like a screen. Collins tried to jump it and make a play because the LBs couldn't do shit all game long vs the screen.
The defense played well enough to win overall but the LBs really got exposed. Missed tackles, couldn't get off blocks on screens, couldn't cover the middle of the field vs TEs.
Yes, Eli in a critical situation, the D on 3rd downs, Mc on not trying to even establish a running game and let the OL push forward(yes I know our OL sucks but the more we threw the more THaley knew we werent going to run), Jenkins for not undercutting AB at the e-z to get him o-o-b, the ST for allowing many long runbacks. IOW: A team cluster.
And, IMHO, the refs were a gift that kept on giving, Pitt, almost every favorable call.
N.O. and SD did not help us, Az did.
Will have to beat Detroit, and at least Wash if not Philly also for what may be a battle for a WC.
Lets hope JPP can play Sunday night, for starters.
At least all of the important people on the offense (McAdoo, Eli, Odell) recognize that they're the problem , not the defense. And the defense wasn't great, but it gave them a chance to win against a great offense on the road... that's really all you can ask for.
- The head coach really needs to examine his performance, since this offense is his baby.
- The QB sucked the life out of the team with that INT. It was the biggest play of the game. Eli was bad overall and they aren't talented enough as a team to overcome that.
- Ereck Flowers needs to be benched.
- The entire offensive line is under-performing, including Weston Richburg. I wonder if the issue is the o-line coach?
- I thought Spags should have been more aggressive in dialing up blitzes.
- Their inability to cover TEs is just a joke at this point. This along with their inability to cover RBs and their struggles against screen passes are ALL related to lack of LB talent.
- They actually did a good job of stopping Bell from running. More than half of his rushing yards came on their final 2 drives when the game was no longer in doubt.
- There's a reason why Larry Donnell and Leon Hall were inactive for so long. I'm not blaming them for everything obviously, but bad things happen when they're on the field. I still have no idea what Hall was doing on the Antonio Brown TD. Jenkins covered that as well as he possibly could.
- The cornerbacks played well. That was a great pick by Eli Apple.
a month, but it hasn't mattered because they were playing against teams not good enough to score against the Giants' defense. This game was winnable, but the Giants offense is just not good enough to make up for mistakes.
Here's what I think is going on: The Giants don't trust their O Line to pass protect (for probably good reason). Eli has avoided sacks so far, but only because the majority of his attempts are within 5 or 6 yards of the line of scrimmage. Teams have figured this out.
Look at the number of uncontested completions Eli had yesterday. One? Two? Its maddening. The run game isn't holding this offense back, it is the pass options Eli has because the offensive line is so bad. All a defense has to do is play two safeties back, play zone, and let their linebackers break up one 3rd down pass per drive. Giants punt.
RE: My head hurts but I agree with your take ..
gmenatlarge : 10:57 am : link : reply
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
So didn't Collins? Have no idea what he was thinking on that td pass to Green...
Collins bit on the screen to the WR, and wanted to supply support. Ben faked it, then turned and went to Green who ran right past Collins......
It's the same performance we see in our wins so I'm not sure why there's so much shock or blame shift to the play calling.
Me too
He's not improving much if any. He's actually pretty good when he moves his feet but that's vanishingly rare. Stand and reaching is just asking for whiffs and penalties.
What's your take on the offense? Pass Pro look ok to me today, Eli sucked...They can't get anyone open.
Defense wasn't great but really, this loss is on the offense.
We control our own playoff destiny. We just need to get our offense on track
You obviously know zero about reading coverage qb guru
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Flowers makes me long for the days of Luke Petitgout
He's not improving much if any. He's actually pretty good when he moves his feet but that's vanishingly rare. Stand and reaching is just asking for whiffs and penalties.
Not an excuse but I think it's hard for him to improve when the entire line is a shit show and out LG has been a revolving door the last three or so games. I agree it's frustrating and my patience is waning also, but this is what it is for this year.
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then on the most critical pass, it's to either Will Tye or Roger Lewis Jr.
You obviously know zero about reading coverage qb guru
lol...yeah that's why you're on the couch same as I am, and not in the field. Please enlighten us.
Flowers is horrific. Eli wants no part of taking a hit behind this OLine, and the running game sucks, too. Defense is good, but they can't do everything and do it every single week.
Gave up how many yards by not getting up field?
More yapping after every incompletion thrown his way.
Ben is a better QB than Eli. It's okay to accept it at this point.
Hard to say that when the Giants played a terrible game on offense too.
There werent many good things to say
We miss his size. We have to many short receivers.
Hasn't Victor Cruz been targeted 2 times in the last 3 games?
Hasn't Victor Cruz been targeted 2 times in the last 3 games?
I wonder if he's playing through an injury - which I've suspected about Richburg as well.
Cruz is JAG at this point sadly.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
This is correct. This game was the one to lose, if we had to lose one. Of all 5 this was the least important, and likely the hardest one.
Eli clearly does not trust his offensive line, and to some degree, the playcalling.
The Giants offense has absolutely no identity other than force feeding the ball to OBJ. McAdoo seems like he is in over his head.
I know you are who your record says you are, but the Giants need to be one of the worst 8-4 teams I have ever seen
No running game, and constantly throwing against six and seven DBs puts pressure on Eli. This is part of the reason nobody but OBJ is ever open. But Eli has missed a lot of throws, and it looks like he has lost some arm strength.
We have no breakaway RB. Perkins is a "make you miss" RB, but won't run away from anyone.
We have no TE who can threaten the seam. Tye is a very good move the chains TE, but doesn't have the speed to get up the middle. Not sure about Adams.
We also desperately need a coverage LB.
There is no situation that Ruben Randle can fix.
I feel the same with Donnell. I felt uneasy the moment I saw him in the game, and then, boom.
I still think they beat Dallas next week. The Giants need this game more than they do and they are due for a clunker. The Giants will beat them and I see them finishing with the #5 seed at 10-6 or 11-5.
Let's hope JPP isn't hurt too badly.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
At this point I'm just hoping somebody stops the Cowboys from marching to 18-1.
Seriously? You miss him? If he's in this game Eli throws 4 picks, not 2.
Patient? He's shown that he hasn't improved at all from last year. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year with injuries and what not but it's time to face facts that he isn't a left tackle by any stretch of the imagination
No running game, and constantly throwing against six and seven DBs puts pressure on Eli. This is part of the reason nobody but OBJ is ever open. But Eli has missed a lot of throws, and it looks like he has lost some arm strength.
We have no breakaway RB. Perkins is a "make you miss" RB, but won't run away from anyone.
We have no TE who can threaten the seam. Tye is a very good move the chains TE, but doesn't have the speed to get up the middle. Not sure about Adams.
We also desperately need a coverage LB.
Acid, I don't think he's lost arm strength. I think it's bad fundamentals resulting for battered QB syndrome.
OBJ getting Dangerfield, Melo treatment, no respect from the refs.
Well, there may be a silver lining here...
Yep, really you could just change uniforms. It was like watching a rerun.
Earlier in season, Norman also had a critical hands to face call on Dallas's winning TD drive against WASH.
When you foul on every play, a few will get called, some at very inconvenient times.
You need linebackers with speed to stop the screen game.
Need to hope for a Seahawks loss also tonight, make today's shitshow much more palatable
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They don't play against each other. I hate when they bring that up. Aikman was really bad today and I usually think he's fair, but man that was a terribly called game.
Ben is a better QB than Eli. It's okay to accept it at this point.
I don't think so......but that's my opinion and to bring up the point that Ben is 3-1 head to head against Eli is a ridiculous statement.
He ignored every uncalled flag (holds, PI) that would favor the NY Giants (except implying Beckham is a "crybaby"), and repeatedly replayed "uncalled" flags on Pittsburg.
I agree with this. Jennings needs a better blocking line in front of him. Perkins gives us something we need.
Agreed that Flowers is a problem, but I think Hart played pretty well. But let's face it, the holding penalty for the Safety was weak. Villanueva was wrapping up Vernon all game and wasn't getting called.
The first warning sign was not being able to score on NEw Orleans shitty defense at home.
2. our # 2 and # 3 WRs are non-existent. disgraceful. either they get zero separation or Eli doesn't look at them. blame the run game, but there are several plays where Eli has time and no one is open.
3. the OL is disgusting.
a. Flowers may be the biggest first round bust this franchise has had in quite some time if he's continually left to dry at LT. he's flagged multiple times per game (ticky tack on the safety or not), he's beaten on most plays he's NOT flagged on, and quite frankly the one "real" TD we got today could've easily been called back on yet another blatant hold from him.
b. Jerry was obliterated on the 4th down pass play to Tye, where if Eli gets half an extra second, Beckham is standing wide open
c. Newhouse is not a guard. clearly.
4. this is a championship caliber defense even with glaring holes at LB. you can't fault a defense that time and again puts the offense in good position just to see them piss it away. and seeing as how the offense can't actually sustain a drive (we had literally ONE today, which ended in the game's biggest play; the INT), the D is starting to get gassed late in the game.
5. Eli is not the QB we saw the last couple of years. i'm not saying get rid of him or anything absurd, but anyone that believes he's playing at the same level as 2011, 2014, 2015 is delusional. i still trust him, but i don't think he's the same and its showing.
This offense just needs to play high risk throughout the entire game like they did the last two seasons. We scored a ton because we had to risk it in countless shoot outs.
Ben is a better QB than Eli. It's okay to accept it at this point.
I don't think so......but that's my opinion and to bring up the point that Ben is 3-1 head to head against Eli is a ridiculous statement.
If you look at their respective performances over the past couple of years.. yeah Ben is better and it is not even close.
If anyone says that right now Eli is better, then you are crazy.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Flowers was real lucky to not get called for holding on Jennings's TD.
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Ben is a better QB than Eli. It's okay to accept it at this point.
I don't think so......but that's my opinion and to bring up the point that Ben is 3-1 head to head against Eli is a ridiculous statement.
If you look at their respective performances over the past couple of years.. yeah Ben is better and it is not even close.
If anyone says that right now Eli is better, then you are crazy.
Sadly, I agree.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
Hmm. You said the Eagles would run the table prior to the Packer game.
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He had a phantom holding call, and then 1 illegal procedure call. Much better than Jerry (for instance). I thought he was ok. Hart is starting to look like the real deal at RT.
Flowers was real lucky to not get called for holding on Jennings's TD.
Yea he held the shit out of Timmons. I wouldn't have been surprised if they called it. Anytime this team has a big explosive momentum changing play he's there to bring it back with penalty.
Jerry didn't get obliterated...he didn't even bother blocking his assignment.
Only one team in the NFL has a great OL. Phil Simms was talking about this. You have to learn to scheme around it
Its TB or ATL... we dont have to worry about both. One will win the division and go in, we'd have to compete with the other for a wildcard.
Shep looks like another 2nd round JAG at this point. Cruz is done. Or maybe Eli just doesn't have enough time to look their way?
He tried, he's just not being successful. But we have 3 1st or second round picks in the line. Pugh is pretty good, Richburg seemed decent last year (but frankly I think that might have been a bit of mirage) and Flowers needs to go to RT. If we pick in the mid 20's not sure we're going to get a LT candidate (isn't not meant to be a poor offensive tackle draft?) and we're certainly not getting one in FA.
You mean as opposed to the two first rounders and second rounder already invested?
those 57 yards might've been 100+ if Perkins was the main guy.
Really, really, disappointing afternoon.
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to address the OL next year bigtime. Starts in the trenchs, 57 yards rushing today, f-n horrible.
You mean as opposed to the two first rounders and second rounder already invested?
And all the picks and FA signings this past offseason?
sho, i like your thinking ! lol
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to address the OL next year bigtime. Starts in the trenchs, 57 yards rushing today, f-n horrible.
those 57 yards might've been 100+ if Perkins was the main guy.
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b. Jerry was obliterated on the 4th down pass play to Tye, where if Eli gets half an extra second, Beckham is standing wide open
Jerry didn't get obliterated...he didn't even bother blocking his assignment.
haha fair point...
either that, or Flaherty and Solari just aren't as good as advertised.
Defense played fairly well.
And they fought hard.
I liked McAdoo continue to try.
Cruz was invisible.
Can you imagine 'IF' on the fourth and short on the seven yard line, Tye doesn't drop the easy touchdown? Final score is now 28. Four points higher then Pittsburgh.
Can you imagine 'IF' on the Pitt TD scramble play halfway through the second quarter JJ pushes Brown out of the endzone before he has a chance to land in bounds? Would probably take four points off the board, making it 20 points for Pitt.
As shitty as we played, we actually, in a messed up, "if's and buts way, could have won this game. Sad thought process but it's oddly true.
We can't move Flowers to RT because of Hart. Flowers could play right guard. Maybe have Pugh or Beatty play LT. Put Jones in at LG. Keep Jerry and Newhouse on the bench where they belong.
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
and this is not a team that was going to carry an 11 game win streak into the postseason.
sometimes a loss is hood in the long run. this loss has the chance to be. we played a tough team in a tough venue and generally beat ourselves. our young players and exspecially our young coach have a lot to gain from this loss.
take the hit. learn from it. come back strong next week. let the the team come alive infront of the home crowd pull one out of our ass and surg into the playoffs
Keep in mind, the two players Giants were rumored to have coveted are starting and playing well for the Titans.
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
Explain your opinion of the Eagles running the table at 5-5.
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
Hmm. You said the Eagles would run the table prior to the Packer game.
Wrong. I said their schedule was set up for them to run the table after the Packer game. I will say that, while they appear to be faltering, they will play the NYG tough at home and very well can saddle us with a devastating week 16 loss. The Linc is a House of Horrors for the NYG.
I don't take glee at all. I hate when the NYG lose. I want to see them win 10 and get valuable playoff experience (win or lose) for 2017. It's frustrating because I don't get paid to put a team together or to evaluate talent and I saw this coming back in the spring, yet everyone in the FO said they had faith in the abilities along the OL. Yes we are 8-4, but I don't see how anyone can be confident of playoffs with what lies ahead. We don't score enough. Even against bad defenses.
And forces obj cause Cruz sucks...Sterling is
Rookie...no running game...no oline
We need mobile qb and playmakers on O
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
You've been predicting the demise of this team for two months and you vanish whenever the Giants win. Now you want to pound every thread with I told you so posts even though the Giants are still in a good spot. You're a such a miserable, worthless fuck who doesn't have the balls to buy his money where his mouth is.
either that, or Flaherty and Solari just aren't as good as advertised.
Pugh was our top OL prior to his injury. Richburg was a late first rounder in many mocks prior to the draft.
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Well I was dead wrong about this one.
Me too
I wasn't. Maybe I should be a mod.
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Well said dim, this is the last BS we need to hear right now. If they had taken a more conservative approach, would have been right there at the end.
that's because he does. and when he's not holding (the false start today was a nice touch...), he's getting completely toasted by any and all speed rushers.
# 9 pick overall. amazing.
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Well said dim, this is the last BS we need to hear right now. If they had taken a more conservative approach, would have been right there at the end.
That's djm!
This week they were going down field more?
Pitt let us run and covrd wrs...it worked.
Mac is bad play caller..should give Sully
Try but wont...eli cant throw an accurate
Pass so get used to ints....
We may lose next 4
Also, did it look like the Steeler secondary got away with a whole lot of questionable plays well behind 5 yards beyond the LOS.
Last, check out Big Bens record at home & this was close to a must win for them. At least a non conference loss
This week they were going down field more?
Pitt let us run and covrd wrs...it worked.
Mac is bad play caller..should give Sully
Try but wont...eli cant throw an accurate
Pass so get used to ints....
We may lose next 4
Totally agee. Giants O was totally outcoached. Mara promoted the wrong assistant.
Mistake...Harris 3.5 mil...wr/st...2 injury
Prone guys. We have no deep threat except
Lewis and he is underthrown or runs wrong
Route...king should be playing. .
You have an O coach and he cant have a
Good offense..Spags doin better job
W D...fire Mac and get real OC..
Mistake...Harris 3.5 mil...wr/st...2 injury
Prone guys. We have no deep threat except
Lewis and he is underthrown or runs wrong
Route...king should be playing. .
You have an O coach and he cant have a
Good offense..Spags doin better job
W D...fire Mac and get real OC..
I still think they beat Dallas next week. The Giants need this game more than they do and they are due for a clunker. The Giants will beat them and I see them finishing with the #5 seed at 10-6 or 11-5.
Let's hope JPP isn't hurt too badly.
Much of that was the officiating. Flowers already has a sign on his back in their mind:FLAG ME WHENEVER! and OBJ is the badboy in the battle with JNorman, and the sign on his back is: NEVER THROW THE FLAG TO HELP THIS GUY!
And Yes they missed opportunities and made mistakes where they may have ended up winning anyway, but I just can't get past the hometown calls and thinking what if (the sideline OPI on OBJ set in he trend).
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
The disappearing act during the win streak was very enjoyable. How are those great moves the Eagles made panning out for you?
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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
You've been predicting the demise of this team for two months and you vanish whenever the Giants win. Now you want to pound every thread with I told you so posts even though the Giants are still in a good spot. You're a such a miserable, worthless fuck who doesn't have the balls to buy his money where his mouth is.
Bullshit. I post here just about every day. And I've yet to be wrong this year. About anything.
I live by one rule: I don't wager with anyone I don't respect. You're a fucking nobody who apparently hates that I'm always right about the NYG.
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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.
We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.
How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.
Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
The disappearing act during the win streak was very enjoyable. How are those great moves the Eagles made panning out for you?
Disappearing act?
If you think I haven't been posting just about every day all season, you must be dumb.
Since you think I'm an Eagle fan, it's worse than dumb, actually: you're a fucking moron.
jlukes : 7:38 pm : link : reply
you would think that the Giants defense didn't prepare for any sort of screen game
Eli clearly does not trust his offensive line, and to some degree, the playcalling.
The Giants offense has absolutely no identity other than force feeding the ball to OBJ. McAdoo seems like he is in over his head.
I know you are who your record says you are, but the Giants need to be one of the worst 8-4 teams I have ever seen
I don't think were the worst 8-4 team we could easily
end up 8-8 The offense has nothing going for it right now
they can't put a drive together . And the Defense is
starting to break down physically and is sure doesn't
help when we get a lead and go into fetal position .
The dink and dunk will lead to more punts and turnovers .
McAdoo this and Flowers that and Eli this and the officiating that.............. and only if Tye held onto the ball????
Really? Can we be totally honest with ourselves?
Our 2016 Giants are just a very mediocre team!!!!!!!!!!!
McAdoo this and Flowers that and Eli this and the officiating that.............. and only if Tye held onto the ball????
Really? Can we be totally honest with ourselves?
Our 2016 Giants are just a very mediocre team!!!!!!!!!!!
Many felt this was a 9-7 team yet i did not expect no significant progress from Flowers.
Has age caught up to the QB or are we on the doorstep of a real problem? He has to be better than this. I think there is more in the tank yet his age doesn't guarantee anything.
The O Line, LB's were abused, Eli of course.
The defense was okay, needed a stop after Giants made it
14-7, they let them march down the filed for another TD,
that was essentially ballgame. I hope they can get to
10 wins.
Why the mods let The_Boss troll his way around here is a great fucking mystery. He's the worst iteration of troll, talks a ton of shit when the team is down, and takes his shit on the road when they win. Call him out on it, and starts in with the personal attacks.
Great fucking job, mods. I'm remembering you during the next contribution cycle.
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Eagles have lost three straight, can't score...and he says "they appear to be faltering"......
Why the mods let The_Boss troll his way around here is a great fucking mystery. He's the worst iteration of troll, talks a ton of shit when the team is down, and takes his shit on the road when they win. Call him out on it, and starts in with the personal attacks.
Great fucking job, mods. I'm remembering you during the next contribution cycle.
Him and Realgiants, whose only goal is to ruin the game thread as much as possible
Not a lot to ponder there.
either that, or Flaherty and Solari just aren't as good as advertised.
I agree 100%.
Winning today would have been awesome, it didn't happen, we're 8-4, stop crying like a little pussy.
#7 in passing plays versus run plays this year- historically, if you stop the run and make Eli beat you; when he's on he's on, when not... 2 interception game again; panic throws instead of taking a hit; only 2 sacks.
If you look at offensive line stats, the Giants are consistent with yardage to the left and up the middle, instead once again, we try to force the run to the right.
Sick to death of 3rd and short and incomplete 20+ yard attempts.
Giants averaged 4.0 yards per carry against Steelers. 4x3 = 12 yards = 1st down.
Giants 14 run plays for 4.0 average/ Steelers 30 run plays for 3.9 average.
Couple of REAL debatable penalties- how come we don't get the Cowboy's refs? OBJ was right in calling them out.
Dallas can be beat again this year. Pressure on Dick and continue the run stopping like the first game by keying on Z. Giants won't burn up the field with runs, but run consistently up the gut and to the left instead of relying solely on Eli to beat them. In the 1st game we passed the ball 28 times and ran the ball 24 times and WON.
Can you imagine 'IF' on the fourth and short on the seven yard line, Tye doesn't drop the easy touchdown? Final score is now 28. Four points higher then Pittsburgh.
Can you imagine 'IF' on the Pitt TD scramble play halfway through the second quarter JJ pushes Brown out of the endzone before he has a chance to land in bounds? Would probably take four points off the board, making it 20 points for Pitt.
As shitty as we played, we actually, in a messed up, "if's and buts way, could have won this game. Sad thought process but it's oddly true.
Keep in mind, the two players Giants were rumored to have coveted are starting and playing well for the Titans.
Winning today would have been awesome, it didn't happen, we're 8-4, stop crying like a little pussy.
And it'll continue to happen unless we win the Super Bowl. When before the season 8-9 wins would have been a solid improvement.
We control our own playoff destiny and have 4 winnable games coming. Suck it up buttercup.
* The Eli pick at 5-0 was a killer, but I still don't think they win if he hits the TD. The offense just can't sustain drives.
* The defense was valiant, but on the field WAAAAY too long.
* Eli Apple is the real deal. As is Vernon. What a difference since his wrist healed and he can use 2 hands. Loved the way he hammered Big Ben to the turf.
* Seems that Flowers is going to get a cheap penalty every week now. That Safety was bullshit. HARRISON was holding, had 2 fists full of Flowers shirt.
* Perhaps the 2 best WRs in the game played yesterday. One made some pretty plays and was a pro, the other acted like an immature jerk from the 3rd grade. Can you guess which was which? I'm tired of Beckham's shit. He had one legit gripe, the late hit. The rest is bullshit and has to stop. I was happy to see McAdoo pull him aside after the stupid chucking of the ball at the Steelers bench, which could have cost a 15 yd PF.
* does anyone else think that Jennings looks really slow? He's game, but it seemed like there were plays to be made if he were a step quicker. I think Perkins needs to be featured more.
* I think Hart looked good, and Newhouse looks better inside. He's stronger physically than Jerry, maybe he moves to RG when Pugh returns. Hart also seems to have become Beckham's baby sitter, pulling him away and calming him down from his stupid rants.
We control our own playoff destiny and have 4 winnable games coming. Suck it up buttercup.
Well, the "Suck it up Buttercup" crowd can all sing Kumbaya together waiting for this shit ass offense to flower. Becaue, I don't think it's happening this year. We have better pieces this year with the same OL yet are far, FAR WORSE on offense. Not one game over 28 points through 12 games, EVEN against the winless Browns. We can't even win T.O.P. against a WINLESS TEAM. Maybe you are OK with that, but if you look at the largest change on offense, it's COACHING. Go ahead and sing Kumbaya. I find it disturbing, and it sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies moving forward in the last years of Eli's prime.
Matt M. : 6:20 am : link : reply
If that got over Timmons head, there is an excellent chance it went incomplete and we would all be cursing Donnell right now.
But we would still have the ball, and have a third down play.....that interception was huge.....would you rather have a 7-5 game with momentum, or the 0-11 game that we had, at the time?
You never throw away a team with 8 wins at November's end but we ran into a tough game. Can it be like 2007 (Viking - Eli skittish game) or 2011 (Redskins game) where it is just a hiccup? We will see. Maybe this is just a blip for the 2016 Championship DVD?
Personally, this season has surpassed my expectations, I am not giving up on this year but I think 2017 is going to be a good year for us. There are A LOT of positives. Even with how bad we looked. We have a December 11 game against Dallas that still has meaning. Is the division a bit of a reach? Sure but we have big games in December. I feel great about that. Sorry about my pom poms.
We control our own playoff destiny and have 4 winnable games coming. Suck it up buttercup.
Yep. The defense will keep the Giants in games. They have an excellent shot at a WC, and a lot of teams in the hunt still have plenty of tough games remaining.
It's amazing to me how some fans react in lieu of the recent 07 and 11 runs. People forget those teams had some pretty bad losses down the home stretch. A lot worse than yesterday's loss.
jlukes : 7:38 pm : link : reply
you would think that the Giants defense didn't prepare for any sort of screen game
Eli clearly does not trust his offensive line, and to some degree, the playcalling.
The Giants offense has absolutely no identity other than force feeding the ball to OBJ. McAdoo seems like he is in over his head.
I know you are who your record says you are, but the Giants need to be one of the worst 8-4 teams I have ever seen
I don't think were the worst 8-4 team we could easily
end up 8-8 The offense has nothing going for it right now
they can't put a drive together . And the Defense is
starting to break down physically and is sure doesn't
help when we get a lead and go into fetal position .
The dink and dunk will lead to more punts and turnovers .
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
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jlukes : 7:38 pm : link : reply
you would think that the Giants defense didn't prepare for any sort of screen game
Eli clearly does not trust his offensive line, and to some degree, the playcalling.
The Giants offense has absolutely no identity other than force feeding the ball to OBJ. McAdoo seems like he is in over his head.
I know you are who your record says you are, but the Giants need to be one of the worst 8-4 teams I have ever seen
I don't think were the worst 8-4 team we could easily
end up 8-8 The offense has nothing going for it right now
they can't put a drive together . And the Defense is
starting to break down physically and is sure doesn't
help when we get a lead and go into fetal position .
The dink and dunk will lead to more punts and turnovers .
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
Yep. Just about every D has a weakness, for the Giants it's LB.Pittsburgh took advantage of it.
I still thought the D had a solid game though. They were just on the field too long. The offense can't sustain anything.
unlikeable? how so? he comes out every week a plays hard, plays hurt. Sure I'd like to see his progress speed up, but he is progressing.
You want unlikeable, look at whiner-in-chief #13.
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unlikeable? how so? he comes out every week a plays hard, plays hurt. Sure I'd like to see his progress speed up, but he is progressing.
You want unlikeable, look at whiner-in-chief #13.
gmenatlarge : 10:57 am : link : reply
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
So didn't Collins? Have no idea what he was thinking on that td pass to Green...
gmenatlarge : 10:57 am : link : reply
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
So didn't Collins? Have no idea what he was thinking on that td pass to Green...
He bit on the short route, and Green turned up field. It happens.
gmenatlarge : 10:57 am : link : reply
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
So didn't Collins? Have no idea what he was thinking on that td pass to Green...
On the Collins play, it developed like a screen. Collins tried to jump it and make a play because the LBs couldn't do shit all game long vs the screen.
The defense played well enough to win overall but the LBs really got exposed. Missed tackles, couldn't get off blocks on screens, couldn't cover the middle of the field vs TEs.
And, IMHO, the refs were a gift that kept on giving, Pitt, almost every favorable call.
N.O. and SD did not help us, Az did.
Will have to beat Detroit, and at least Wash if not Philly also for what may be a battle for a WC.
Lets hope JPP can play Sunday night, for starters.
- The head coach really needs to examine his performance, since this offense is his baby.
- The QB sucked the life out of the team with that INT. It was the biggest play of the game. Eli was bad overall and they aren't talented enough as a team to overcome that.
- Ereck Flowers needs to be benched.
- The entire offensive line is under-performing, including Weston Richburg. I wonder if the issue is the o-line coach?
- I thought Spags should have been more aggressive in dialing up blitzes.
- Their inability to cover TEs is just a joke at this point. This along with their inability to cover RBs and their struggles against screen passes are ALL related to lack of LB talent.
- They actually did a good job of stopping Bell from running. More than half of his rushing yards came on their final 2 drives when the game was no longer in doubt.
- There's a reason why Larry Donnell and Leon Hall were inactive for so long. I'm not blaming them for everything obviously, but bad things happen when they're on the field. I still have no idea what Hall was doing on the Antonio Brown TD. Jenkins covered that as well as he possibly could.
- The cornerbacks played well. That was a great pick by Eli Apple.
Here's what I think is going on: The Giants don't trust their O Line to pass protect (for probably good reason). Eli has avoided sacks so far, but only because the majority of his attempts are within 5 or 6 yards of the line of scrimmage. Teams have figured this out.
Look at the number of uncontested completions Eli had yesterday. One? Two? Its maddening. The run game isn't holding this offense back, it is the pass options Eli has because the offensive line is so bad. All a defense has to do is play two safeties back, play zone, and let their linebackers break up one 3rd down pass per drive. Giants punt.
eliapple : 12/4/2016 8:52 pm : link : reply
Says our best oline guy is Jerry
David Diehl said the same thing last week.
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either that, or Flaherty and Solari just aren't as good as advertised.
I agree 100%.
Hold up. Are you two putting Pugh and Richburg in the swing and miss column for Reese? Maybe I'm misunderstanding.
gmenatlarge : 10:57 am : link : reply
agree but the steelers knew how to attack this D, go after the LB's with screens and use the TE. Bell killed us all day along with green, Kennard lets green go deep behind him early in the game on a blitz play, exactly who did he think was picking him up?
So didn't Collins? Have no idea what he was thinking on that td pass to Green...
Collins bit on the screen to the WR, and wanted to supply support. Ben faked it, then turned and went to Green who ran right past Collins......