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RE: RE: Jerry Needs  
jeff57 : 12/4/2016 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13248416 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 13248397 LeftHook said:


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to address the OL next year bigtime. Starts in the trenchs, 57 yards rushing today, f-n horrible.



You mean as opposed to the two first rounders and second rounder already invested?

And all the picks and FA signings this past offseason?
RE: RE: Jerry Needs  
LeftHook : 12/4/2016 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13248421 SHO'NUFF said:
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In comment 13248397 LeftHook said:
sho, i like your thinking ! lol


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to address the OL next year bigtime. Starts in the trenchs, 57 yards rushing today, f-n horrible.



those 57 yards might've been 100+ if Perkins was the main guy.
Bad offense caught up against decent opponent  
D_Giants : 12/4/2016 8:03 pm : link
The play calling is predictable and unimaginative. The one surprise gave the offense its only (non-garbage) TD. The issue, IMO, is not merely getting to the playoffs, but winning. The D is good or very good; the O is terrible. Where is Beatty? Is he really worse than any of the other 5? McAdoo strikes me as being as stubborn as he is unimaginative. Until McAdoo, Manning (who has no confidence), and the OL (poorly coached) improve, we'll continue to see defensive players fight for 40 minutes per game in losing efforts.
OL  
Carl in CT : 12/4/2016 8:04 pm : link
In round 1&2 if players grade there.
RE: RE: briefly  
TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13248404 SHO'NUFF said:
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b. Jerry was obliterated on the 4th down pass play to Tye, where if Eli gets half an extra second, Beckham is standing wide open



Jerry didn't get obliterated...he didn't even bother blocking his assignment.


haha fair point...
Pugh, Richburg and Flowers were reaches considering  
SHO'NUFF : 12/4/2016 8:05 pm : link
where they were picked in the draft...Reese gambled and lost.

either that, or Flaherty and Solari just aren't as good as advertised.
I hope Vereen can wake the offense up  
DavidinBMNY : 12/4/2016 8:06 pm : link
This is bad offensive football.

Defense played fairly well.

And they fought hard.

I liked McAdoo continue to try.

Cruz was invisible.
reach???draft is irrelevant at this point  
bc4life : 12/4/2016 8:07 pm : link
at this point the issue is whether they can constitute a good or very good OL. They certainly can - just not sure if Flowers is in the right spot.
If's and But's time....  
bradshaw44 : 12/4/2016 8:10 pm : link
Can you imagine 'IF' Eli puts touch on the ball on the first INT and gets the easy touchdown? We then score 21 points total...

Can you imagine 'IF' on the fourth and short on the seven yard line, Tye doesn't drop the easy touchdown? Final score is now 28. Four points higher then Pittsburgh.

Can you imagine 'IF' on the Pitt TD scramble play halfway through the second quarter JJ pushes Brown out of the endzone before he has a chance to land in bounds? Would probably take four points off the board, making it 20 points for Pitt.

As shitty as we played, we actually, in a messed up, "if's and buts way, could have won this game. Sad thought process but it's oddly true.
but we were talking about Reese investing  
SHO'NUFF : 12/4/2016 8:11 pm : link
those picks into our line, so it is relevant.

We can't move Flowers to RT because of Hart. Flowers could play right guard. Maybe have Pugh or Beatty play LT. Put Jones in at LG. Keep Jerry and Newhouse on the bench where they belong.
RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
The_Boss : 12/4/2016 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13248376 djm said:
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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.


Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.
RE: At the end of the day  
Dankbeerman : 12/4/2016 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13248345 Matt in SGS said:
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when it's tie breaker time, a loss on the road to an AFC team isn't the worst thing. If I had to pick a game they had to lose in this final 5 game stretch, it would be this one.


and this is not a team that was going to carry an 11 game win streak into the postseason.

sometimes a loss is hood in the long run. this loss has the chance to be. we played a tough team in a tough venue and generally beat ourselves. our young players and exspecially our young coach have a lot to gain from this loss.

take the hit. learn from it. come back strong next week. let the the team come alive infront of the home crowd pull one out of our ass and surg into the playoffs
they are quality starters  
bc4life : 12/4/2016 8:13 pm : link
Richburg and Pugh are in the better 3rd, maybe top 25% at their position. Flowers - man, I'd love to know what McAdoo and the OL Coaches think about him.

Keep in mind, the two players Giants were rumored to have coveted are starting and playing well for the Titans.
RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
Sean : 12/4/2016 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13248468 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.



Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.


Explain your opinion of the Eagles running the table at 5-5.
RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
The_Boss : 12/4/2016 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13248392 Sean said:
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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



Hmm. You said the Eagles would run the table prior to the Packer game.


Wrong. I said their schedule was set up for them to run the table after the Packer game. I will say that, while they appear to be faltering, they will play the NYG tough at home and very well can saddle us with a devastating week 16 loss. The Linc is a House of Horrors for the NYG.
RE: That was harsh sorry  
The_Boss : 12/4/2016 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13248388 djm said:
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But how do u take glee in a loss.


I don't take glee at all. I hate when the NYG lose. I want to see them win 10 and get valuable playoff experience (win or lose) for 2017. It's frustrating because I don't get paid to put a team together or to evaluate talent and I saw this coming back in the spring, yet everyone in the FO said they had faith in the abilities along the OL. Yes we are 8-4, but I don't see how anyone can be confident of playoffs with what lies ahead. We don't score enough. Even against bad defenses.
eli  
eliapple : 12/4/2016 8:28 pm : link
Cant throw accurate long or short now
And forces obj cause Cruz sucks...Sterling is
Rookie...no running game...no oline
We need mobile qb and playmakers on O
Worst OL showing of the year  
OBJ_AllDay : 12/4/2016 8:30 pm : link
Based on the personnel we played against. They got abused all game long. The pick thrown in Shepard direction is a touchdown if Eli has time to set his feet, being forced to throw the ball constantly within 1 of 2 yards of the line is scrimmage because of pressure. Just a horrific showing by the o line.
Reminds me  
oldog : 12/4/2016 8:30 pm : link
so much of 07-11, the panic, sky is falling over the top we hate our team idiocy. This was, as far as can be, a total Zebra home stadium sellout. Who knows who might have won in a real football game, our guys seemed to me to, on the field, be far stronger. But the BBI tone is so far from reality again. This team is indomninable. We, will gain the inevitable triumph, count on it, to paraphrase. One thing only, coaching needs to stop, as does most of you BBI, assuming that the new G-Men are not ready to meet these sucky opponents on an even keel. A 6-5 team, led by a pudgy pudding, give me a break.
RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
JohnVB : 12/4/2016 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13248468 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13248376 djm said:


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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.



Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.


You've been predicting the demise of this team for two months and you vanish whenever the Giants win. Now you want to pound every thread with I told you so posts even though the Giants are still in a good spot. You're a such a miserable, worthless fuck who doesn't have the balls to buy his money where his mouth is.
Ereck Flowers  
Old Dirty Beckham : 12/4/2016 8:31 pm : link
is one of the most unlikeable players the Giants have had in quite some time.
dogshit performance  
Jints in Carolina : 12/4/2016 8:31 pm : link
the offense should be embarrassed.
It feels like Flowers  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2016 8:33 pm : link
has at least 1 or 2 penalties per week.
RE: Pugh, Richburg and Flowers were reaches considering  
Mike in NY : 12/4/2016 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13248446 SHO'NUFF said:
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where they were picked in the draft...Reese gambled and lost.

either that, or Flaherty and Solari just aren't as good as advertised.


Pugh was our top OL prior to his injury. Richburg was a late first rounder in many mocks prior to the draft.
RE: RE: ...  
B in ALB : 12/4/2016 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13248191 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13248184 Eric from BBI said:


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Well I was dead wrong about this one.



Me too


I wasn't. Maybe I should be a mod.
RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
gmenatlarge : 12/4/2016 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13248376 djm said:
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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.

Well said dim, this is the last BS we need to hear right now. If they had taken a more conservative approach, would have been right there at the end.
RE: It feels like Flowers  
TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13248564 Dave in Hoboken said:
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has at least 1 or 2 penalties per week.


that's because he does. and when he's not holding (the false start today was a nice touch...), he's getting completely toasted by any and all speed rushers.

# 9 pick overall. amazing.
RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
gmenatlarge : 12/4/2016 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13248583 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.


Well said dim, this is the last BS we need to hear right now. If they had taken a more conservative approach, would have been right there at the end.

That's djm!
Fucking pathetic effort today on O  
EJV79 : 12/4/2016 8:38 pm : link
Beckham looks like a fucking clown out there begging for a flag after every play. Flowers is a fucking pussy who i never want to see in a giants uniform again. Eli was fucking awful today. Why the fuck is donnell on the field? Haven't we learned our lesson since london? What a fucking shitshow this game.
If the fans,  
oldog : 12/4/2016 8:38 pm : link
are crazy skitter, disloyal, and overreactive, they will end up with the team they deserve.
Same team, same place  
oldog : 12/4/2016 8:40 pm : link
as 07 and 11.
We all knew  
5BowlsSoon : 12/4/2016 8:43 pm : link
The six game winning streak was smoke and mirrors. And I think most Giant fans who are honest knew we probably would lose this game. Pitt is very tough at home.
lLast few games  
eliapple : 12/4/2016 8:50 pm : link
Mac lets D bail out O and plays conservative.
This week they were going down field more?
Pitt let us run and covrd wrs...it worked.
Mac is bad play caller..should give Sully
Try but wont...eli cant throw an accurate
Pass so get used to ints....
We may lose next 4
ohara  
eliapple : 12/4/2016 8:52 pm : link
Says our best oline guy is Jerry
This team  
area junc : 12/4/2016 8:52 pm : link
isn't doing a fucking thing without Jason Pierre-Paul on the field. We're cooked.
Flowers  
Samiam : 12/4/2016 8:53 pm : link
The guy had played next to 4 guards this year, 3 of whom probably shouldn't be playing. Let's see what happens when Pugh gets back full time. Maybe someone can comment on this but the Pitt LT blocking Vernon looked like he was doing the same things Flowers was doing but no calls. !

Also, did it look like the Steeler secondary got away with a whole lot of questionable plays well behind 5 yards beyond the LOS.

Last, check out Big Bens record at home & this was close to a must win for them. At least a non conference loss
RE: lLast few games  
D_Giants : 12/4/2016 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13248663 eliapple said:
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Mac lets D bail out O and plays conservative.
This week they were going down field more?
Pitt let us run and covrd wrs...it worked.
Mac is bad play caller..should give Sully
Try but wont...eli cant throw an accurate
Pass so get used to ints....
We may lose next 4


Totally agee. Giants O was totally outcoached. Mara promoted the wrong assistant.
Mara  
eliapple : 12/4/2016 9:01 pm : link
Is crying somewhere knowing 8mil to Cruz was
Mistake...Harris 3.5 mil...wr/st...2 injury
Prone guys. We have no deep threat except
Lewis and he is underthrown or runs wrong
Route...king should be playing. .
You have an O coach and he cant have a
Good offense..Spags doin better job
W D...fire Mac and get real OC..
Mara  
eliapple : 12/4/2016 9:01 pm : link
Is crying somewhere knowing 8mil to Cruz was
Mistake...Harris 3.5 mil...wr/st...2 injury
Prone guys. We have no deep threat except
Lewis and he is underthrown or runs wrong
Route...king should be playing. .
You have an O coach and he cant have a
Good offense..Spags doin better job
W D...fire Mac and get real OC..
Giants O disappears to middling teams  
D_Giants : 12/4/2016 9:07 pm : link
This game was a carbon copy of Minn and GB: 1st half no show. I wish the O would make at least a cameo in these games.
RE: I didn't like their chances in this game  
ColHowPepper : 12/4/2016 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13248302 Matt in SGS said:
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during the week. And I think the Dallas win at Minnesota took air out of the Giants sails trying to win the East. Eli's pick pretty much put the Giants in catch up mode all game.

I still think they beat Dallas next week. The Giants need this game more than they do and they are due for a clunker. The Giants will beat them and I see them finishing with the #5 seed at 10-6 or 11-5.

Let's hope JPP isn't hurt too badly.
Matt, you're among the most rational and informed of posters here. I agree with your 1st and 3rd paras, but your 2nd para echoes a post you made earlier in the week, either to the effect that the Giants' OL is analogous to where the OL was in 2011 or that the Dallas OL was due for a fail, in addition to saying that Dallas was certain to falter. Hate to say this, but Cowpukes have been a model of consistency. It's clunker may have come against the Vikes and a League best d. Hope is not a viable strategy.
"5"  
old man : 12/4/2016 9:15 pm : link
I was fearful we might but the game was worse than I feared.
Much of that was the officiating. Flowers already has a sign on his back in their mind:FLAG ME WHENEVER! and OBJ is the badboy in the battle with JNorman, and the sign on his back is: NEVER THROW THE FLAG TO HELP THIS GUY!
And Yes they missed opportunities and made mistakes where they may have ended up winning anyway, but I just can't get past the hometown calls and thinking what if (the sideline OPI on OBJ set in he trend).
RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
jcn56 : 12/4/2016 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13248468 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13248376 djm said:


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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.



Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.


The disappearing act during the win streak was very enjoyable. How are those great moves the Eagles made panning out for you?
RE: RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
The_Boss : 12/4/2016 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13248555 JohnVB said:
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In comment 13248376 djm said:


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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.



Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.



You've been predicting the demise of this team for two months and you vanish whenever the Giants win. Now you want to pound every thread with I told you so posts even though the Giants are still in a good spot. You're a such a miserable, worthless fuck who doesn't have the balls to buy his money where his mouth is.


Bullshit. I post here just about every day. And I've yet to be wrong this year. About anything.

I live by one rule: I don't wager with anyone I don't respect. You're a fucking nobody who apparently hates that I'm always right about the NYG.
RE: RE: RE: RE: As per usual, I have the pulse of this team like no other  
The_Boss : 12/4/2016 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13248746 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13248376 djm said:


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In comment 13248291 The_Boss said:


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Said the NYG would lose by 10 at minimum in Pittsburgh.

We can't win 10 like this.
I think the roof caves in though down the stretch. This all seemed like smoke and mirrors all year because of the OL's poor play. Now that we're stepping up in class, those chickens are coming home to roost. Gun to my head, my guess is we squeak by the Lions for our only win down the stretch and we pray shit lines up for us at 9-7 to get a WC.



How about you take the pulse of a bag of dicks.



Go stick a fork in an electrical outlet you fucking cocksucker. I'm sorry I don't share the same opinion as you regarding this team. But I know football. You don't know shit. Literally everything you think you know about this team is wrong that you post here. Come back at me when you get a fucking clue.



The disappearing act during the win streak was very enjoyable. How are those great moves the Eagles made panning out for you?


Disappearing act?
If you think I haven't been posting just about every day all season, you must be dumb.
Since you think I'm an Eagle fan, it's worse than dumb, actually: you're a fucking moron.
When the F are we going to learn  
Steve L : 12/4/2016 9:43 pm : link
To cover a f'ing tight end over the middle. For gods sakes he was open all damn day. Argh!!!
My head hurts but I agree with your take ..  
Bluesbreaker : 12/4/2016 9:51 pm : link
Out coached and out played
jlukes : 7:38 pm : link : reply
you would think that the Giants defense didn't prepare for any sort of screen game

Eli clearly does not trust his offensive line, and to some degree, the playcalling.

The Giants offense has absolutely no identity other than force feeding the ball to OBJ. McAdoo seems like he is in over his head.

I know you are who your record says you are, but the Giants need to be one of the worst 8-4 teams I have ever seen

I don't think were the worst 8-4 team we could easily
end up 8-8 The offense has nothing going for it right now
they can't put a drive together . And the Defense is
starting to break down physically and is sure doesn't
help when we get a lead and go into fetal position .
The dink and dunk will lead to more punts and turnovers .
Our Giants  
royhobbs7 : 12/4/2016 9:59 pm : link
All the excuses:

McAdoo this and Flowers that and Eli this and the officiating that.............. and only if Tye held onto the ball????

Really? Can we be totally honest with ourselves?

Our 2016 Giants are just a very mediocre team!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL at Boss....  
BillKo : 12/4/2016 10:06 pm : link
Eagles have lost three straight, can't score...and he says "they appear to be faltering"......



RE: Our Giants  
Giants2012 : 12/4/2016 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13248864 royhobbs7 said:
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All the excuses:

McAdoo this and Flowers that and Eli this and the officiating that.............. and only if Tye held onto the ball????

Really? Can we be totally honest with ourselves?

Our 2016 Giants are just a very mediocre team!!!!!!!!!!!


Many felt this was a 9-7 team yet i did not expect no significant progress from Flowers.

Has age caught up to the QB or are we on the doorstep of a real problem? He has to be better than this. I think there is more in the tank yet his age doesn't guarantee anything.
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