I'd probably be considered president of my local chapter of the Eli manning fan club. I was over the moon when we drafted him. I remember thinking there was no way we would be able to draft him at the 4 spot. When we gave up picks and everyone said it was too much, I told my friends it would look like a steal in the coming years. This is certainly not a doomsday reaction to this game, but the reality is that he is obviously getting older and will be 36 before the end of the post season.
Let's pretend he was playing as well as last season, because as far as the team goes, you need to make these decisions as a franchise when your starting, star QB is 36.
Assume he's somewhere in between how he played last year and how he has been playing this year (not terrible - but noticeably different than any previous year, regardless of stats). It could be the OL, lack of running game, etc. Nevertheless, I think it's food for thought, at the very least.
So when do you take a QB with a high pick? Is there a right way to handle a situation like this? Will we see a Rodgers / Favre situation?
I'm not up to date on the draft and I don't think anyone knows what we have in Nassib.
I almost made my son's middle name Eli. He's given me the best memories that I frequently relive with my dad. He gave us those memories TWICE!
Regardless, it's interesting to ponder.
Boy these losses really bring out the dregs...
Eli has been disappointing this year. I don't know whether it's the scheme, the line, or his skills declining, but he has been too often "bad Eli" and too seldom "great Eli." He's leaving a lot of plays on the field and for the first time in a long time his decision-making looks questionable.
Please give Perkins all the snaps and lets see how our running game turns out. Flowers and Jerry are maybe the 2 worst OL in this entire league. Thank Jerry R for Flowers...great #1 pick.
Boy these losses really bring out the dregs...
I'm not following.......
This is a message board for the New York Giants. I also didn't bash Eli's play. I said he'll be 36 and it got me thinking. If you can't discuss something like this, just because the Giants lost, I'm not sure what to say.
Did you read my post? I really didn't say much negative about Eli's play. I also said they have no run game etc. I also didn't blame him for the loss.
Bingo
I've been saying this for weeks ... he buries his face in the play sheet vs watching the entire game. We fixed the defense and he went and broke
The offense !
Assume he's somewhere in between how he played last year and how he has been playing this year (not terrible - but noticeably different than any previous year, regardless of stats). It could be the OL, lack of running game, etc. Nevertheless, I think it's food for thought, at the very least.
Nothing to do with today's game. They have no running game. Their OL is rough. OBJ is the only guy consistently on the same page and they have no TE. I realize all of this and said as much. But he's 36. I thought it was a reasonable thing to discuss on the forum.
I confess Eli is nervous back there, affecting his play, but put Brady, Ben,Dak, or anybody else behind our OL and in our scheme with our talent for 5 games, let alone the last 5 seasons, and you'll see a shaky QB in game 5.
That said, he will be 36 in January, so I think the '18 or '19 draft, especially since he's signed through then(all things =), or maybe a FA QB for a short-term.
Again, I'm not blaming Eli - I'm on the same page as you. I'm not really a reactive guy - Eli isn't why we lost today.
I probably should have waited until mid week to post this!
Of course the line is a problem, but his lack of mobility makes it worse. He still moves well in the pocket, but he is usually toast when he gets pressure in his face. He knows his value to the team & doesn't want to take hits. (No, it's not cowardice. It's just the way he has played to avoid injuries.) His throws can seem rushed.
Put him on a talented offense and he would be excellent, but there is little margin for error with him now.
Last season, our O-line sucked. We did NOTHING during the off season that would have really improved it...NOTHING. Why did anyone expect a different outcome? There were no tangible indications that this O-line would be better, only hope. You cannot ignore what you see on the field. Guys who are getting physically dominated and some who are unable to move their feet fast enough so they end up getting penalties. That is what it was last year, and no different this year.
He is not THE reason, but he is ONE of the reasons why we lost.
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Eli isn't why we lost today.
He is not THE reason, but he is ONE of the reasons why we lost.
You're right. I can't argue that. He's put in impossible situations repeatedly. I don't just mean this season or this game. I believe a QB (no different than any other human being), develops certain habits over time, based on environment. Years of a shoddy o line and minimal running game result in sometimes trying to make throws that just aren't there. But obviously he didn't help today.
Play a team that likes to blitz and you can't run the ball, this is what you get and what gets you beat.
Did the left tackle throw either of those redzone picks? You know, the one that would've tied the game, or the other one where Shephard was open by ten yards in the endzone and the pass was fifteen yards underthrown?
Eli is still a good QB, and with the defense the Giants put on the field every week, there's no doubt he can still lead them to the playoffs, but please... At thirty six years of age, after putting up a game like this, are you really going to ridicule the notion that the thread starter might have a point?
--The 4th and 13 where he threw across his body was about 10 yards short of where I expected it to be knowing how many of those throws he's gotten at least in the area of a jump ball
--He hasn't hit a deep shot to Beckham down the sideline all season (or if he has, I don't remember the last time)
--The deep shots he has hit have been Peyton-like lobs to Cruz with incredible accuracy
I'm wondering whether Eli suffered an injury earlier in the year and is playing through it (he is TOUGH, and he's done it before) or whether it is a physical decline
I think so...and it's going to be sad because Eli is a legend. I think he has two years left after this as a QB similar to his brother in 2013 and 2014 before Peyton fell off the cliff. Peyton was very productive in those years but he had unerring accuracy that Eli only shows occasionally.
They didn't even try any deep shots down the sideline to Beckham and the two deep throws he attempted looked pretty bad
What's funny is that I picture you as one of those guys.
I have this weird gut feeling that Jake Browning will be a Giant. I hope I'm wrong.
The OL was never ignored
What a wreck
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Guys that would never say anything remotely close to what they say on BBI if they weren't behind a computer screen. The funny thing is most of these guys are sensitive pussies. Someone posts a legit thread about Eli and people insult him, why? Because you don't like hearing anything negative about Eli? The dregs are people that insult people for legit threads because they didn't like the topic, not people posting legit threads.
What's funny is that I picture you as one of those guys.
I don't attack posters personally just because they hold an opinion I don't like.
Eli isn't the issue.
He has an elite, plus WR in #13... he has a rookie who has a lot of talent but is still learning the ropes, and he has a WR who is clearly a shell of the player he was before he got hurt.
This isn't Eli Manning. He still has quality football left in him. No, he's not in his prime anymore. But even this version of Eli is still a quality NFL QB and a player that more than half the teams in this league would gladly sign up for in a heartbeat.
Why have you been in touch with all the GM's...?