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NFT: Walking dead. just noticed Gabriel is Carver from The Wire

DennyInDenville : 12/4/2016 9:40 pm
Wow that's Carver!!!! Wow mind blown

Plus obvi Tyrese is Cuddi from the wire

And in the beginning of the episode Michone was whistling Omar littles Whistle.

Wow.
You sir...  
Chris in Philly : 12/4/2016 9:42 pm : link
would make quite the detective!

There have been a bunch of Wire alumni on the show.
Wow Deangelo Barksdale too  
DennyInDenville : 12/4/2016 9:49 pm : link
I had to google it
Cutty as well  
Chris in Philly : 12/4/2016 9:59 pm : link
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Man I loved the wire so much  
DennyInDenville : 12/4/2016 10:03 pm : link
Thanks to you and all those who recommend I watch it with my free HBO trial.

Seriously just the best show ever IMO. I was always a huge sopranos guy and still am plus breaking bad. But the wire just felt so damn real and authentic plus the characters I just fell in love with it. I'm a junkie for that show and am hoping I get the BluRay box set for Xmas lol.
Lol Negan  
DennyInDenville : 12/4/2016 10:08 pm : link
" Daryl needs a timeout, put him in his box for a while "


Guys a savage
Unreal...  
Chris in Philly : 12/4/2016 11:15 pm : link
that the show makes the most unlikeable character the only one who makes any sense. Spencer is the only one to point out what a shit head that Rick is, what a bad leader Rick is, and how stupid their Zero Dark Thirty raid on the Saviors was. The show's insistence on Rick as infallible leader is just ridiculous. Among a billion other things, but this is at the heart of the show.

I mean, you can pick on all sorts of things. But I just enjoy how stupid most of it is. Oh, Gabriel decides to just get out and walk back in the middle of nowhere and at that exact spot is this treasure map of goodies? Why yes, of course! Take a drink!
I think of him as Clayton Hughes in Oz, lol  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/5/2016 12:42 am : link
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RE: Wow Deangelo Barksdale too  
JOrthman : 12/5/2016 12:43 am : link
In comment 13248839 DennyInDenville said:
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I had to google it


lol you just noticed this...I got another for you he was also in Oz.
RE: Unreal...  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/5/2016 12:44 am : link
In comment 13249007 Chris in Philly said:
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that the show makes the most unlikeable character the only one who makes any sense. Spencer is the only one to point out what a shit head that Rick is, what a bad leader Rick is, and how stupid their Zero Dark Thirty raid on the Saviors was. The show's insistence on Rick as infallible leader is just ridiculous. Among a billion other things, but this is at the heart of the show.

I mean, you can pick on all sorts of things. But I just enjoy how stupid most of it is. Oh, Gabriel decides to just get out and walk back in the middle of nowhere and at that exact spot is this treasure map of goodies? Why yes, of course! Take a drink!


Haha, my lol moment of the show was the shot of Jesus lying on the top of the truck about to go back to Alexandria, and in the background it the entire massive Negan complex. I guess none of the dozens of guards you'd presume were posted saw a guy lying on top of Negan's truck.
RE: RE: Unreal...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2016 1:16 am : link
In comment 13249097 Mike in Long Beach said:
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that the show makes the most unlikeable character the only one who makes any sense. Spencer is the only one to point out what a shit head that Rick is, what a bad leader Rick is, and how stupid their Zero Dark Thirty raid on the Saviors was. The show's insistence on Rick as infallible leader is just ridiculous. Among a billion other things, but this is at the heart of the show.

I mean, you can pick on all sorts of things. But I just enjoy how stupid most of it is. Oh, Gabriel decides to just get out and walk back in the middle of nowhere and at that exact spot is this treasure map of goodies? Why yes, of course! Take a drink!



Haha, my lol moment of the show was the shot of Jesus lying on the top of the truck about to go back to Alexandria, and in the background it the entire massive Negan complex. I guess none of the dozens of guards you'd presume were posted saw a guy lying on top of Negan's truck.


There are plenty in every episode! Drink!
This is a pretty good...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2016 11:23 am : link
summary of the episode:

“Sing Me a Song” was not without its good moments, and it certainly wasn’t The Walking Dead’s worst episode. But if you thought the show was spinning its wheels before (and I most certainly did) the episode was often deeply boring as it repeated information we already knew—hey, did you realize Negan was sort of a bad guy? Don’t worry, we spent about 40 minutes just watching him be horrible!—but even that was better than watching Carl, Michonne, and Rosita all plan to individually try to kill Negan, even though this is deeply, deeply stupid.
Link - ( New Window )
How about  
Fish : 12/5/2016 11:35 am : link
Carl standing in kitchen with Olivia and Neegan. Neegan back facing Carl. Hey Carl, thats a kitchen you are standing in which probably has knives. Use a knife and stab Keegan.
RE: How about  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2016 11:43 am : link
In comment 13249890 Fish said:
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Carl standing in kitchen with Olivia and Neegan. Neegan back facing Carl. Hey Carl, thats a kitchen you are standing in which probably has knives. Use a knife and stab Keegan.


How about he just kills Negan with Lucille which both he and Rick had about 47 chances to do?
How many times is negan going to get slapped  
ron mexico : 12/5/2016 12:00 pm : link
before he bashes in someones head?

They better have something good in store for Carl.
where did Jesus go?  
fkap : 12/5/2016 1:04 pm : link
the second shot of the top of truck, he's not there.

NTTAWWT, but Carl sure is pretty these days. I was thinking Negan was going to add him to the harem.
Ratings are apparently at...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2016 1:38 pm : link
their lowest point in 4 years. But hey, midseason finale!!!
RE: Ratings are apparently at...  
NYG27 : 12/5/2016 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13250278 Chris in Philly said:
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their lowest point in 4 years. But hey, midseason finale!!!


Ratings wise, I blame a lot of it on over saturating their audience with Talking Dead "talk show" for the series and that horrible spin-off series, Fear the Walking Dead.
He had a fucking gun  
Joey in VA : 12/5/2016 5:05 pm : link
Pointed at Negan and did dick. It was Batman Villain from the Adam West shows stupid. Carl may as well have had "Thug #1" on a black t-shirt.
Yeah for people who are desperate to kill Neegan  
Mike from Ohio : 12/5/2016 5:11 pm : link
they sure do pass up a lot of very easy opportunities to kill him. How many times does one of them need to be standing behind him with Lucille before one of them thinks "I wonder if this bat could be used as a weapon?"
RE: RE: Ratings are apparently at...  
ron mexico : 12/5/2016 5:13 pm : link
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their lowest point in 4 years. But hey, midseason finale!!!



Ratings wise, I blame a lot of it on over saturating their audience with Talking Dead "talk show" for the series and that horrible spin-off series, Fear the Walking Dead.


I kinda liked fear the walking dead, but stopped watching it so I guess I didn't like it that much
so the recap of the  
fkap : 12/5/2016 5:18 pm : link
first half season is:

highly anticipated opener


yawn/who cares

when does someone finally smack Negan.

I actually liked most episodes. Last night was the first night that wasn't almost all filler. It's idiot TV, but like Gilligan's Island, the stupidity is part of the allure.

I still hold that there's a per episode payment thing going on. Why else would you have two 90 minute episodes instead of three 60 minute ones? Wouldn't you get more bang for the buck out of 3 episodes rather than 2, since cost per minute is going to be the same (sans the per episode thing)? last night had a couple of storylines going whereas a lot of the filler episodes were solo episodes (like last week with Tara).
I was a fan of the first 3 episodes  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/5/2016 5:23 pm : link
Haven't cared for the show over the last 4.
to be fair  
fkap : 12/5/2016 5:34 pm : link
most shows see rating decline after this many seasons.

How long can you keep ahhhh! Zombies! and ahhhhh! bad guy! fresh.

hard to say if it's the comic books (the almost rigid sticking to them) that's holding the show back. I've been as big a critic of the writers as there is, but it's got to be tough having to stick to the books and not get to be creative with a storyline. the producers obviously want to stick with a simplistic comic book vibe except translate it to live action, and that's a tough chore.

If the ratings keep dropping, might be a wise move to ditch the source material of the books and try something new.
Ratings fade sure...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2016 8:00 pm : link
But last year they were smelling their farts for months about being top rated cable show. And now they're down that much? That's not a natural progression. That is them absolutely blowing the finale/premiere nonsense and then an abysmal half season. Gimple is a fool.

And I agree that slavish devotion to the comic books is a bad idea, but hillbilly-in-chief Kirkman will never let them stray too far. That's his meal ticket. And he's going to write them forever to draw every last drop of blood from the stone.

This was always one of my biggest problems with the show. They take all the major (and some minor) events from the books and then just fill in bullshit to try to get from one to the other. And now they cynically try to cram everything into finales and premieres and just fill the rest of the seasons with, well, filler.
agree, but  
fkap : 12/5/2016 8:16 pm : link
the filler/cram into a finale (or half season finale) has been a staple all along.

the farm season, ending with Hershal's never ending shotgun.
Guvner multiple times.
Terminus.

this is just more of the same. this is the trouble with the show/books. rinse and repeat. Negan is just the Guv with a bat, and acted/produced more intense.

I'm still trying to decide if this season is lamer than the Terminus season or the Guvner season. The walking the tracks was pretty bad. Second coming of the Guv was decent. First one, not so much.


I think is probably worse..  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2016 8:18 pm : link
because of all the fanboys getting hardons about Negan coming. How many times did we hear people panting about Lucille. Bleh.
nah  
fkap : 12/5/2016 8:25 pm : link
doncha remember all the talk about how bad the guv was going to be? how the readers lamented how much more he did to Maggie in the comics?

to me, Negan is rinse and repeat with the guv, both the buildup and the fanboy panting. Negan is more intense, although I can see the aspect of the cartoon character you've said (having brain fart on the name)
This season has stuck pretty rigidly to the comics  
JOrthman : 12/6/2016 6:20 am : link
This episode and the one two episodes ago was almost completely ripped out of the comics.
The last episode  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2016 4:35 pm : link
showed what makes Negan great in the comics. He is a bit nuetered because he can't curse, but he is a very likable bad guy.

If you didn't understand, the whole episode, was showing how he respects woman. None of those women have to be his wife, he doesn't force them to be there, they are there by choice. He would never have hit that woman back.
RE: The last episode  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/6/2016 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13252286 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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showed what makes Negan great in the comics. He is a bit nuetered because he can't curse, but he is a very likable bad guy.

If you didn't understand, the whole episode, was showing how he respects woman. None of those women have to be his wife, he doesn't force them to be there, they are there by choice. He would never have hit that woman back.


Dwight's wife had to become Negan's wife to stop him from murdering Dwight. I wouldn't say that's "being there by choice."

I don't think they're really pushing any "he respects women" angle here.
RE: This season has stuck pretty rigidly to the comics  
ron mexico : 12/6/2016 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13251243 JOrthman said:
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This episode and the one two episodes ago was almost completely ripped out of the comics.


And people think the comics are awesome?
RE: RE: The last episode  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2016 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13252301 Mike in Long Beach said:
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showed what makes Negan great in the comics. He is a bit nuetered because he can't curse, but he is a very likable bad guy.

If you didn't understand, the whole episode, was showing how he respects woman. None of those women have to be his wife, he doesn't force them to be there, they are there by choice. He would never have hit that woman back.



Dwight's wife had to become Negan's wife to stop him from murdering Dwight. I wouldn't say that's "being there by choice."

I don't think they're really pushing any "he respects women" angle here.


Yes I understand that and he is far from a Saint. He just doesn't hit woman, rape them, etc. The girl could have left without being harmed, but her man would have suffered the consequences.
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JOrthman : 12/6/2016 4:55 pm : link
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showed what makes Negan great in the comics. He is a bit nuetered because he can't curse, but he is a very likable bad guy.

If you didn't understand, the whole episode, was showing how he respects woman. None of those women have to be his wife, he doesn't force them to be there, they are there by choice. He would never have hit that woman back.



Dwight's wife had to become Negan's wife to stop him from murdering Dwight. I wouldn't say that's "being there by choice."

I don't think they're really pushing any "he respects women" angle here.



Yes I understand that and he is far from a Saint. He just doesn't hit woman, rape them, etc. The girl could have left without being harmed, but her man would have suffered the consequences.


I wouldn't exactly call everything he does consensual...
Buddy recently pointed out to me  
Deej : 12/6/2016 4:56 pm : link
that Indiana Jones is Han Solo from the Star Wars movies
I generally don't complain about the show but i had to laugh at Jesus  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/6/2016 5:12 pm : link
squirting a line of syrup for a mile through garbage strewn streets as a way of leaving a trail to find their way out.
RE: The last episode  
Chris in Philly : 12/6/2016 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13252286 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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showed what makes Negan great in the comics. He is a bit nuetered because he can't curse, but he is a very likable bad guy.

If you didn't understand, the whole episode, was showing how he respects woman. None of those women have to be his wife, he doesn't force them to be there, they are there by choice. He would never have hit that woman back.


That is an unusual interpretation of his actions. None of those women want to be there. There is no respect whatsoever.
RE: I generally don't complain about the show but i had to laugh at Jesus  
Chris in Philly : 12/6/2016 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13252339 Rob in Rockaway said:
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squirting a line of syrup for a mile through garbage strewn streets as a way of leaving a trail to find their way out.


Maybe he was going to follow the ants...
Negan does not "respect" women  
BlackLight : 12/6/2016 5:33 pm : link
GTFOH with that noise. Do you think he would have spared Olivia a couple weeks ago if Rick hadn't found those two missing guns? Was that a bluff?

He views women as receptacles for his cock, and that's about it. If he doesn't beat them, it's not because he respect them. It's because he doesn't think they're worthy of a smack in the mouth.

And he curses plenty...  
Chris in Philly : 12/6/2016 5:46 pm : link
Adding "fucks" and "cunts" isn't going to make him any different than he is on the show...
does he stick his dick anywhere?  
fkap : 12/6/2016 6:45 pm : link
seems to me he gets his rocks off by being a sadistic fuck.

If he fucks anything (male or female or beast) it's a form of control. any pleasure he gets will be from the control, not the dick sensation. he'd bang a guy (NTTAWWT) not because he likes dudes, but because he thinks it would be torture for the guy.

but, yeah, he respects women by burning their men with hot irons. He's expressed that he doesn't enjoy physically harming women, but his actions show that he has no problem psychologically abusing them. I hope it's a woman who kills him when his inevitable demise occurs. Hope it's anyone but that whining pussy Rick.
I'm not trying...  
Chris in Philly : 12/6/2016 11:30 pm : link
to be a dick (for a change), but I can't understand how anyone could view Negan as being respectful of women.
RE: does he stick his dick anywhere?  
Chris in Philly : 12/6/2016 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13252410 fkap said:
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seems to me he gets his rocks off by being a sadistic fuck.

If he fucks anything (male or female or beast) it's a form of control. any pleasure he gets will be from the control, not the dick sensation. he'd bang a guy (NTTAWWT) not because he likes dudes, but because he thinks it would be torture for the guy.

but, yeah, he respects women by burning their men with hot irons. He's expressed that he doesn't enjoy physically harming women, but his actions show that he has no problem psychologically abusing them. I hope it's a woman who kills him when his inevitable demise occurs. Hope it's anyone but that whining pussy Rick.


I agree in general, but there's no reason to doubt he has sex with his wives.
RE: RE: This season has stuck pretty rigidly to the comics  
JOrthman : 12/7/2016 1:43 am : link
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This episode and the one two episodes ago was almost completely ripped out of the comics.



And people think the comics are awesome?


No idea, I never heard of the comic until I had been watching the series. I've mentioned this in other threads, but comics, don't translate well to TV or movies unless you hire outside script writers. Imagine if Stan Lee was the major creative person behind directing and writing all the Marvel movies.

RE: RE: RE: This season has stuck pretty rigidly to the comics  
Chris in Philly : 12/7/2016 7:47 am : link
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This episode and the one two episodes ago was almost completely ripped out of the comics.



And people think the comics are awesome?



No idea, I never heard of the comic until I had been watching the series. I've mentioned this in other threads, but comics, don't translate well to TV or movies unless you hire outside script writers. Imagine if Stan Lee was the major creative person behind directing and writing all the Marvel movies.


They do use other writers. And they stink. Scott Gimple and his crew aren't comics guys. They're just not very good.
This is a good...  
Chris in Philly : 12/7/2016 7:47 am : link
column about the direction of the show and how underwhelming Negan is.
Negan Isn't The Only Thing Ruining 'The Walking Dead' But He Still Needs To Go - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: This season has stuck pretty rigidly to the comics  
JOrthman : 12/7/2016 7:58 am : link
In comment 13252830 Chris in Philly said:
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This episode and the one two episodes ago was almost completely ripped out of the comics.



And people think the comics are awesome?



No idea, I never heard of the comic until I had been watching the series. I've mentioned this in other threads, but comics, don't translate well to TV or movies unless you hire outside script writers. Imagine if Stan Lee was the major creative person behind directing and writing all the Marvel movies.




They do use other writers. And they stink. Scott Gimple and his crew aren't comics guys. They're just not very good.


Well then they are the least creative writers ever. Like I mentioned there have been several scenes ripped directly out of the comics even a lot of the dialogue.
I think the reason for the decline is  
JOrthman : 12/7/2016 8:00 am : link
They are losing both the comic book people and the regular viewers. In the beginning it was close enough to the comics to keep that crowd happy, yet the story was different enough that endings weren't spoiled. Now they are ripping so much of the story from the comics, that there is no need to watch. Additionally, the story never seems like it's building towards anything.
Kirkman has also written 7 episodes of TWD  
JOrthman : 12/7/2016 8:32 am : link
and he is the producer of the show. Gimple doesn't exactly have a glowing resume.
Firing Darabont...  
Chris in Philly : 12/7/2016 10:56 am : link
was such a disaster. I really would have loved to see what he would have done. He was the reason I was interested in the first place!
RE: Firing Darabont...  
Go Terps : 12/7/2016 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13253283 Chris in Philly said:
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was such a disaster. I really would have loved to see what he would have done. He was the reason I was interested in the first place!


I really enjoyed the first season or two of this show. I thought the most compelling scenes were the flashbacks to when the outbreak first started... The scene with Shane trying to protect Rick while he was still in a coma in the hospital was I thought the best in the history of the show.

Around the end of season 2 the quality stayed falling. By the time it got to Terminus I was done.
RE: Firing Darabont...  
JOrthman : 12/7/2016 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13253283 Chris in Philly said:
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was such a disaster. I really would have loved to see what he would have done. He was the reason I was interested in the first place!


Their stories at least varied a bit more from the comics back then.
RE: RE: Firing Darabont...  
NYG27 : 12/9/2016 3:02 pm : link
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was such a disaster. I really would have loved to see what he would have done. He was the reason I was interested in the first place!



I really enjoyed the first season or two of this show. I thought the most compelling scenes were the flashbacks to when the outbreak first started... The scene with Shane trying to protect Rick while he was still in a coma in the hospital was I thought the best in the history of the show.

Around the end of season 2 the quality stayed falling. By the time it got to Terminus I was done.


Darabont was great, the show had a more "real world" type of feel to it. Since then, Kirkman\Gimple\Nicotero have turned it more into cartoonish type following the comics.

Although alot of the issues post Darabont has also been tied into the budget AMC limits the production of this series. Which is why they spend SO MUCH time on Herschel's farm, prison, walking the train tracks and so forth. AMC's limited budget, they are almost forced to spend entire seasons in one location and using the same sets.
if there every was a frivilous lawsuit  
UConn4523 : 12/9/2016 3:07 pm : link
that you are rooting for, its Darabont's against AMC. Man do I hope he bends them over.
Darabont $280 million lawsuit against AMC  
NYG27 : 12/9/2016 3:19 pm : link
For those not familiar with the case....

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According to the suit, AMC initially agreed contractually in September 2009 that the series would be produced by an unaffiliated studio such as Lionsgate or Warner Bros. Darabont would receive as much as 12.5 percent of that entity’s profit after standard industry deductions.

When Darabont delivered the script that was the basis for the first six-episode season, however, the suit alleges AMC decided to produce and broadcast the show in-house. Darabont’s representatives at CAA and the Jackoway Tyerman law firm agreed only “after gaining assurances from AMC that Darabont would obtain protections against improper self-dealing,” the suit alleges. Those protections included a commitment by AMC to "pay" its studio an "imputed" license fee comparable to what the show would get if it were made by an independent studio. Talent lawyers typically ask for such assurances.

Darabont repeatedly asked AMC to spell out the terms of his profit participation, the suit says, but the company waited to see how the show would perform. When it was clear that Walking Dead was a runaway hit, AMC then provided a proposal in February 2011 based on “an unconscionably low license fee formula” designed to ensure that the show would never be in profit, according to the suit. "AMC capped the license fee in perpetuity at the lower of 65 percent of the costs of producing the series or $1.45 million per episode, meaning that there would be a significant deficit on every episode produced for the life of the series."

Put another way, "Because of AMC's outrageous and improper formula, the profits pool in which [Darabont and CAA] participate may always be in deficit no matter how long-running and successful the series is," the suit alleges.
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