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OBJ on officiating...and Graziano still a douche.

TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 10:43 pm
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18206758/terry-mcaulay-crew-officiate-new-york-giants-games

Beckham basically believes that McAulay's crew shouldn't be able to do Giants games anymore. Same crew that did the Panthers game last year and the Skins game this year.

They seem to have a vendatta against Beckham and him illuminating that was told to "Get out of my face" looking for an explanation on the horseshit OPI early on. Anyway, I'm sure most will say he should quit bitching, but I think he has a point at least.

Then of course here's the little blurb from Graziano:

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The Steelers were penalized 12 times for 115 yards. The Giants four times for 24. I'm not wasting much time listening to Giants complaints about officiating.


This is just ridiculous logic and Graziano has always been a massive douche. Football is not basketball, not all penalties are created equal. It's not as if the penalties called on PIT were questionable, it just so happens that a lot of other game-changing penalties that were also rather blatant did NOT get called (several blatant holding calls on whoever was mugging 54 all day, the *defensive* PI on the Beckham play, Tye getting laid out, Beckham getting speared by the same assclown Mitchell when he was already down, Eli getting driven into the ground well after the whistle...I could go on...) or were incorrectly called (the PI in question). Yes Flowers got away with a hold that directly allowed a TD as well, but I don't think it all comes out in the wash.

Graziano is just a pretentious piece of shit.
I agree with you  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/4/2016 10:49 pm : link
Game changing penalties can bury a team as well.
he must not understand football  
SHO'NUFF : 12/4/2016 10:51 pm : link
because the calls against us were at absolutely critical spots
I still need someone to  
rocco8112 : 12/4/2016 10:52 pm : link
explain to me the interference they called on Beckam. looked like BS to me
The refs can call all the penalties  
BlackLight : 12/4/2016 10:56 pm : link
they want on Pittsburgh - and still single Beckham out for conspicuous attention, or non-attention.
the  
blue42 : 12/4/2016 11:03 pm : link
giants were asleep at the wheel as wel....on the pass to Brown where he did a great job with his feet no one on the Giants staff noticed that while he DID get his feet in at the same time he bobbled the ball.....FOX as usual only showed the feet......never
realizing that Pitt knew he bobbled the ball and thus lined up ASAP and snapped the ball.
Buck is such an ass.......watch the damn game.
Coach should be the one calling out  
oldutican : 12/4/2016 11:10 pm : link
refs double standard on OBJ.
Coach should be the one calling out  
oldutican : 12/4/2016 11:15 pm : link
refs double standard on OBJ.
RE: I still need someone to  
montanagiant : 12/4/2016 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13248976 rocco8112 said:
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explain to me the interference they called on Beckam. looked like BS to me

During the final 5 yards of the route he shoved the defenders arm away that had been grabbing him the first 35 yards of the route
RE: Coach should be the one calling out  
montanagiant : 12/4/2016 11:18 pm : link
In comment 13248999 oldutican said:
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refs double standard on OBJ.

Absolutely and it's getting tiresome watching him just stand there and not say a thing to the officials when there are obvious bad call and non-calls. Part of the game is working them and if you never say anything to them they will continue with the same crap
Giants lost by two scores and we're bitching about officiating  
chris r : 12/4/2016 11:20 pm : link
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LOL...Graziano blocked me because I pointed out  
montanagiant : 12/4/2016 11:23 pm : link
The number of penalties called means nothing and how does he have a job if that is his logic..
RE: Giants lost by two scores and we're bitching about officiating  
montanagiant : 12/4/2016 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13249014 chris r said:
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Great false equivalancy dipshit, no one blamed the Refs for the loss they are discussing OBJ and this officiating crew
RE: LOL...Graziano blocked me because I pointed out  
TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13249019 montanagiant said:
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The number of penalties called means nothing and how does he have a job if that is his logic..


haha, figures. i think i emailed a beat writer or ESPN writer a decade ago calling out their poor analysis/logic, and the response was "thanks for reading, god bless"
RE: Giants lost by two scores and we're bitching about officiating  
oldutican : 12/4/2016 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13249014 chris r said:
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No one is saying that's why they lost. There could/should have been several calls of PI or holding on OBJ. Giants need to defend their best player.
RE: RE: Coach should be the one calling out  
TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13249013 montanagiant said:
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refs double standard on OBJ.


Absolutely and it's getting tiresome watching him just stand there and not say a thing to the officials when there are obvious bad call and non-calls. Part of the game is working them and if you never say anything to them they will continue with the same crap


not saying we need a Harbaugh on the sideline, but i don't think we need an Eli there either. the HC has to i think have even some iota of responsibility to talk to the crew, get explanations, and figure out what the hell is going on sometimes.
RE: RE: LOL...Graziano blocked me because I pointed out  
montanagiant : 12/4/2016 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13249021 TexasGmenFan said:
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The number of penalties called means nothing and how does he have a job if that is his logic..



haha, figures. i think i emailed a beat writer or ESPN writer a decade ago calling out their poor analysis/logic, and the response was "thanks for reading, god bless"

Graziano has always been a little bitch. The least amount of criticism of his tweets and he blocks, been doing that for years
RE: RE: RE: Coach should be the one calling out  
montanagiant : 12/4/2016 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13249023 TexasGmenFan said:
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refs double standard on OBJ.


Absolutely and it's getting tiresome watching him just stand there and not say a thing to the officials when there are obvious bad call and non-calls. Part of the game is working them and if you never say anything to them they will continue with the same crap



not saying we need a Harbaugh on the sideline, but i don't think we need an Eli there either. the HC has to i think have even some iota of responsibility to talk to the crew, get explanations, and figure out what the hell is going on sometimes.

Exactly, we need someone to show a bit of fire. You watch this guy and after a particularly bad call goes against us he just buries his nose in that menu of his
While I don't blame the officials for the loss  
Matt M. : 12/4/2016 11:30 pm : link
I do believe they were a contributing factor. All those non-calls would have extended drives.
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TexasGmenFan : 12/4/2016 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13249024 montanagiant said:
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In comment 13249019 montanagiant said:


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The number of penalties called means nothing and how does he have a job if that is his logic..



haha, figures. i think i emailed a beat writer or ESPN writer a decade ago calling out their poor analysis/logic, and the response was "thanks for reading, god bless"


Graziano has always been a little bitch. The least amount of criticism of his tweets and he blocks, been doing that for years


fits right in at ESPN. "here's my hot take!!1!1! agree or GTFO"
RE: While I don't blame the officials for the loss  
81_Great_Dane : 12/4/2016 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13249026 Matt M. said:
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I do believe they were a contributing factor. All those non-calls would have extended drives.
Even more than that, the non-calls encouraged more contact throughout the game. The DBs do what they an get away with. In this game they could get away with A LOT, so they did.
worst officiated game I've seen all year  
JohnVB : 12/4/2016 11:43 pm : link
It's not so much the calls, although the Flowers holding and Beckham penalties were atrocious, but the non-calls on Pitt.

Vernon was mugged all game long.

Beckham's arm was held on the pass in the EZ. INT thrown shortly thereafter. Defenders were draped over Beckham on several plays with no calls.

The Tye TD drop on 4th down, he was hit before the ball got there.

The 15 yarder where the flag was picked up was inexplicable. Eli gets sacked next play and that's ball game.
RE: worst officiated game I've seen all year  
montanagiant : 12/4/2016 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13249048 JohnVB said:
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It's not so much the calls, although the Flowers holding and Beckham penalties were atrocious, but the non-calls on Pitt.

Vernon was mugged all game long.

Beckham's arm was held on the pass in the EZ. INT thrown shortly thereafter. Defenders were draped over Beckham on several plays with no calls.

The Tye TD drop on 4th down, he was hit before the ball got there.

The 15 yarder where the flag was picked up was inexplicable. Eli gets sacked next play and that's ball game.

What amazed me about the holding on Vernon was that it was the same exact type of hold they called Flowers for that led to the safety. Vernon also got punched in the facemask on a few key plays for them that went uncalled
montana  
atb63 : 12/4/2016 11:56 pm : link
We were saying the same thing. And both plays were so close to one another, too. I actually think the no-call on Vernon was the more flagrant of the two. If you want to call it like that, I'm totally fine with that, but you BETTER call it both ways.
Pittsburg  
NikkiMac : 12/5/2016 12:04 am : link
and the Cowboys have been getting the calls for decades now at its against everybody not just the Giants ....it's sickening !
The OBJ PI call was ridiculous  
Vanzetti : 12/5/2016 12:20 am : link
The Steelers DB grabbed Odell because he knew it was a TD if he didn't. That's actually a smart play. Get flagged for 40 yards rather than give up an 80 yard TD.

But then the ref calls Odell for brushing off the hand on him. He is just a terrible ref. That was a brutally bad call. Guy should be replaced but with Goodell/Blandino's corporate dictatorship that won't happen. Can't wait until those two get fired as NFL ratings continue to fall.
i think - as mentioned earlier -  
TexasGmenFan : 12/5/2016 12:24 am : link
one of the sad parts to me is what seems like an unwillingness by McAdoo to actually speak up or defend his player in any way. even the shit earlier this year, he more focused on reigning OBJ in.

even if you don't go so far as to bash the refs, i think its possible to let them know in game when you think something is horeshit. sometimes it feels like McAdoo is striving to be the good boy scout.
Haven't seen or heard  
Beezer : 12/5/2016 12:28 am : link
The phrase "defenseless receiver" used on the Tye hit.

Not sure why.

I sat in amazement when the flag was picked up. More so when the booth official "expert" praised the decision.

I miss some things. And to quote Joe Pesci, "Maybe I'm a little fucked up." But I don't understand how that was ruled go be completely legal.
RE: worst officiated game I've seen all year  
Tuckrule : 12/5/2016 1:04 am : link
In comment 13249048 JohnVB said:
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It's not so much the calls, although the Flowers holding and Beckham penalties were atrocious, but the non-calls on Pitt.

Vernon was mugged all game long.

Beckham's arm was held on the pass in the EZ. INT thrown shortly thereafter. Defenders were draped over Beckham on several plays with no calls.

The Tye TD drop on 4th down, he was hit before the ball got there.

The 15 yarder where the flag was picked up was inexplicable. Eli gets sacked next play and that's ball game.


I agree with all except the flowers hold. That was definitely a hold just sucks it costed us 2 points and posession
since when can you plead your case until the refs pick the flag  
SHO'NUFF : 12/5/2016 1:07 am : link
back up? that means we can obliterate any receiver so long as it's chest high...
The Giants TD  
Sy'56 : 12/5/2016 4:22 am : link
should have never happened....Flowers got away with a major hold in the middle of the field on that play.

How many of you speak of this?

NYG did not lose because of bad ref-fing.
Sy: Saw it, but didn't think it was "major" or "egregious"  
atb63 : 12/5/2016 4:30 am : link
We all saw the replay. Could it have been called? Absolutely. No one is arguing that. BUT, because of the stuff the officials had been letting go all game, I thought it was a fair no-call. That's really all we want - consistency. I don't even care about week-to-week consistency, just series-to-series within the same game would be nice.

And, to be fair to Flowers, he had his chin down, hands together at chest height and elbows in. If you're going to hold, that's a textbook way to attempt to make it look subtle. He did all you can do to not get called, and I also think the angle was a contributing factor. Since his hands were so tight to his body, he was shielding a lot of the view. They are taught this stuff, I know you know that.
RE: The Giants TD  
mfsd : 12/5/2016 7:04 am : link
In comment 13249153 Sy'56 said:
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should have never happened....Flowers got away with a major hold in the middle of the field on that play.

How many of you speak of this?

NYG did not lose because of bad ref-fing.


With respect Sy, I don't see many people blaming the refs for the loss...rather, most seem to be on point that it's some combo of poor coaching and/or our offense just isn't good enough.

Doesn't mean it's not fair to also discuss how OBJ was subject to plenty of clutching and grabbing for much of the game and the refs seemed content to ignore it.

And yes, Flowers got away with (at least) that hold...and they got away with holding our guys too.

It does seem possible OBJ has a legit gripe about that specific crew
It is possible  
Glover : 12/5/2016 7:21 am : link
to bitch about the officiating and still acknowledge the refs didnt take the game from the Giants. Very early in the game they backed the Giants up against their goal line on a bull shucks offensive PI, then a questionable holding call for a safety no less. That leads to a FG, call that a win for the D, but they are down 5 thanks to the refs. And Tye getting laid out when the ball was in the air, the refs decided the ball was going past him to another receiver, so they decided there was no flag. That happened at a critical spot The Steelers salted the game away, it was a good win for them, but a 10 point win was actually a 5 point win, and probably should have been closer than that.
Look the PI on OBJ was a big call. And then we just exacerbate  
Jimmy Googs : 12/5/2016 8:24 am : link
the issue by ensuring we don't target OBJ the rest of the half.

Thought Eli was too anxious again when, in numerous instances, he rushed a bad throw and with bad mechanics. If nobody is open then force it to OBJ...right?

Did Cruz play?
RE: The Giants TD  
JohnVB : 12/5/2016 9:11 am : link
In comment 13249153 Sy'56 said:
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should have never happened....Flowers got away with a major hold in the middle of the field on that play.

How many of you speak of this?

NYG did not lose because of bad ref-fing.


They may not have lost bc of bad reffing, but I think the game is completely different if they call a better game.

If their secondary gets a few flags for how they defend Beckham, completely changes how they try to cover him and opens the possibility up for big plays.

If Pitt gets a few more holding calls, that potentially kills a few more drives.

Horribly officiated game and if anyone thinks it didn't impact the outcome of the game, I don't know what to tell you.
RE: Look the PI on OBJ was a big call. And then we just exacerbate  
montanagiant : 12/5/2016 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13249270 Jimmy Googs said:
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the issue by ensuring we don't target OBJ the rest of the half.

Thought Eli was too anxious again when, in numerous instances, he rushed a bad throw and with bad mechanics. If nobody is open then force it to OBJ...right?

Did Cruz play?

QB is a reflection of the coach. Coaching scared usually means the QB plays scared and that is what we are seeing
RE: Haven't seen or heard  
Matt M. : 12/5/2016 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13249081 Beezer said:
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The phrase "defenseless receiver" used on the Tye hit.

Not sure why.

I sat in amazement when the flag was picked up. More so when the booth official "expert" praised the decision.

I miss some things. And to quote Joe Pesci, "Maybe I'm a little fucked up." But I don't understand how that was ruled go be completely legal.
Supposedly, I didn't catch it yesterday, the flag was for PI and then picked up as it was uncatchable. I thought for sure, when the flag was thrown, it was for hitting a defenseless receiver. That was a textbook example of why they implemented the rule.
If that was the crew that officiated the Carolina game  
Fred in Atlanta : 12/5/2016 12:31 pm : link
Why are they even still around. They should not be allow to officiate any games.
RE: Giants lost by two scores and we're bitching about officiating  
MetsAreBack : 12/5/2016 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13249014 chris r said:
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Maybe, maybe not. I do know instead of first and 10 at midfield with a 0-0 score, we ended up down 2-0 (which quickly turned to 5-0 after the free kick from our 20 which gave them good field position) on two absolute horseshit calls.
RE: RE: The Giants TD  
Matt M. : 12/5/2016 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13249391 JohnVB said:
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should have never happened....Flowers got away with a major hold in the middle of the field on that play.

How many of you speak of this?

NYG did not lose because of bad ref-fing.



They may not have lost bc of bad reffing, but I think the game is completely different if they call a better game.

If their secondary gets a few flags for how they defend Beckham, completely changes how they try to cover him and opens the possibility up for big plays.

If Pitt gets a few more holding calls, that potentially kills a few more drives.

Horribly officiated game and if anyone thinks it didn't impact the outcome of the game, I don't know what to tell you.
The Flowers hold was mentioned by many in the game thread. We did get away with one there. It should have been flagged. But, you can also say that this is the type of hold that does get missed because it was away from the ball. It occurred when Jennings already had the ball. Since he wasn't an OLout in front and the QB already released the ball, officials' focus was no longer in the part of the field where this occurred. We have seen holds like this go uncalled in every game for years.

You can also say the Steelers benefitted from the same. With Roethlisberger throwing from his own end zone, their OL had a more egregious hold than the one called on Flowers. There was an arm around the neck and subsequent takedown of Vernon (I think) and no flag. That would have given us 2 points and a free possession.
RE: RE: Giants lost by two scores and we're bitching about officiating  
Matt M. : 12/5/2016 12:56 pm : link
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Maybe, maybe not. I do know instead of first and 10 at midfield with a 0-0 score, we ended up down 2-0 (which quickly turned to 5-0 after the free kick from our 20 which gave them good field position) on two absolute horseshit calls.
Yup, that's the thing. I thought the hold on flowers was questionable. My sone said it was a hold. I felt the Steelers got away with worse in the end zone, as mentioned above. But, the worst part is that the safety never happens, regardless of the hold, if they properly call the DB for PI, or even holding, instead of OBJ for offensive PI. The guy is fucking grabbing his hand for at least 5 yards. That goes unnoticed, but they flag him for jerking his arm free? That, was probably the second most pivotal play in the game, right after the first INT.
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