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NFT: Westworld Season Finale (Spoilers)

Giantology : 12/4/2016 10:47 pm
Hell of an ending to season 1...

Having followed along, rewatching episodes and reading about fan theories, I felt like the length of the episode was a bit much. I felt like they were beating me over the head with it...

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I never did understand  
RobCarpenter : 12/6/2016 11:45 am : link
Why Sylvester (the other tech) didn't shut down Maeve when he had the chance.

The part where Felix worries that he's actually a host was hilarious.

RE: Anyone know  
j_rud : 12/6/2016 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13251423 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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what song plays on the piano when Maeve wakes up in the salon?


That's Amy Winehouse's Back to Black if we're thinking of the same scene. You mean the one with the new Clementine, right?
RE: RE: Anyone know  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2016 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13251925 j_rud said:
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In comment 13251423 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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what song plays on the piano when Maeve wakes up in the salon?



That's Amy Winehouse's Back to Black if we're thinking of the same scene. You mean the one with the new Clementine, right?


It's not that one. It starts with a baseline and is on every time Maeve wakes up back in town after being killed. Probably the most used song on the show.
I think it just  
Metnut : 12/6/2016 2:13 pm : link
comes down to a matter of preference. I agree "spoilers" are much worse on something like Game of Thrones (actual spoilers) than with Westworld (people trying to, and succeeding in, putting things together).

It just lessened my enjoyment of the show a little bit to know about Bernard being a host, that he was based of the park's creator, the two timelines/man in black's origin, all only a couple episodes into the show. I understand that a lot of people might like the roadmap since if you're not following along the show can feel all over the place. Just a matter of preference.

Did anyone else think they were playing "exit music for a film" by Radiohead toward the end of the finale?
RE: I never did understand  
Cam in MO : 12/6/2016 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13251699 RobCarpenter said:
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Why Sylvester (the other tech) didn't shut down Maeve when he had the chance.

The part where Felix worries that he's actually a host was hilarious.


I didn't think he got the chance? Felix gave her the admin privileges before Sylvester had a chance to shut her down, no?

Or are you talking about something I missed in the finale?

Either way, I can buy Felix and Sylvester going along with her until they arrive and see that she's actually killed somebody. You'd think that would cross the line. But I guess they're supposed to be scared for their lives as well? I dunno- I thought it odd- I figured they would abandon her/be killed by her once she started killing their co-workers.


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ron mexico : 12/6/2016 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13252000 Metnut said:
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Did anyone else think they were playing "exit music for a film" by Radiohead toward the end of the finale?


they definitely were
Most used song?  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/6/2016 2:29 pm : link
BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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It starts with a baseline and is on every time Maeve wakes up back in town after being killed. Probably the most used song on the show.

The most used song has to be "Sweetwater" - a.k.a. "The Train Song", though it might as well be called "Teddy's Theme" or "Groundhog Day". Serious earworm, for something plinked out on an out-of-tune upright piano. Great use of train sounds and musical cliches from old westerns.
RE: RE: I never did understand  
RobCarpenter : 12/6/2016 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13252010 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 13251699 RobCarpenter said:


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Why Sylvester (the other tech) didn't shut down Maeve when he had the chance.

The part where Felix worries that he's actually a host was hilarious.




I didn't think he got the chance? Felix gave her the admin privileges before Sylvester had a chance to shut her down, no?

Or are you talking about something I missed in the finale?

Either way, I can buy Felix and Sylvester going along with her until they arrive and see that she's actually killed somebody. You'd think that would cross the line. But I guess they're supposed to be scared for their lives as well? I dunno- I thought it odd- I figured they would abandon her/be killed by her once she started killing their co-workers.



Not in the finale, but where Felix reboots her in an earlier episode.
RE: There needs to be a Samurai World offshoot  
RobCarpenter : 12/6/2016 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13251158 Geomon said:
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It needs to happen.


+1. Can't wait for season 2.
Did anyone else notice the letters on the doors  
Mighty : 12/6/2016 4:29 pm : link
with EW and SW. Could the EW be East World for a "Far East" Samurai park?? and South World for ...???
They aren't going to get to far into  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2016 6:14 pm : link
The different worlds. SW was more then likely for Samari World for the majestic time period in Asia or MW for mid evil world for Europe. Lots of people that liked the movie clamoured for the sequels to take place in different settings, so I see this as an omage to them.
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arcarsenal : 12/7/2016 10:41 am : link
Why was William never phased by getting shot? He gets shot in Sweetwater when he's younger and Teddy shoots him multiple times on two different occasions (at Dolores' house in the first ep and then again in the Finale)

He gets shot again at the end of the finale and again, it barely phases him.
RE: Did anyone else notice the letters on the doors  
ron mexico : 12/7/2016 10:47 am : link
In comment 13252274 Mighty said:
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with EW and SW. Could the EW be East World for a "Far East" Samurai park?? and South World for ...???


I just saw SW which I assumed was for Samuri World

I didn't see an EW
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UConn4523 : 12/7/2016 10:53 am : link
In comment 13253229 arcarsenal said:
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Why was William never phased by getting shot? He gets shot in Sweetwater when he's younger and Teddy shoots him multiple times on two different occasions (at Dolores' house in the first ep and then again in the Finale)

He gets shot again at the end of the finale and again, it barely phases him.


The first bunch he knew he couldn't die due to the Host/Human rules. The last shot he definitely felt it, but it proved what he was looking for so it was sheer excitement that his journey wasn't dead in the water.
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ron mexico : 12/7/2016 10:56 am : link
In comment 13253229 arcarsenal said:
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Why was William never phased by getting shot? He gets shot in Sweetwater when he's younger and Teddy shoots him multiple times on two different occasions (at Dolores' house in the first ep and then again in the Finale)

He gets shot again at the end of the finale and again, it barely phases him.


Its a good question. The last shot he takes to the arm does seem to draw blood which none of the prior instances did. Maybe there is some programming both in the hosts and the weapons that make the bullets non fatal if a host is shooting at a guest and at the end the hosts were able to override that programming?

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arcarsenal : 12/7/2016 11:07 am : link
In comment 13253274 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13253229 arcarsenal said:


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Why was William never phased by getting shot? He gets shot in Sweetwater when he's younger and Teddy shoots him multiple times on two different occasions (at Dolores' house in the first ep and then again in the Finale)

He gets shot again at the end of the finale and again, it barely phases him.



The first bunch he knew he couldn't die due to the Host/Human rules. The last shot he definitely felt it, but it proved what he was looking for so it was sheer excitement that his journey wasn't dead in the water.


My impression was always not that the humans in the park were immune to gunshots from hosts, just that the hosts were programmed to never shoot to kill them. We see it with Dolores a few times.. she can't pull the trigger on him because her programming won't allow. But for some reason Teddy shoots him on multiple occasions.
I think its both  
UConn4523 : 12/7/2016 11:15 am : link
there were a bunch of hosts who have shot at William but none of them ever hit him. I think with Delores she was never programmed to be violent but Teddy was as her designated protector.
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arcarsenal : 12/7/2016 11:24 am : link
I think it's that the Westworld guns are designed to not hurt the humans. It's why Ford and Arnold leave Dolores with that specific gun towards the end.. the one she kills Ford with. I think it's the same one she killed Arnold with... it's the one he planted in her drawer and buried in her yard for her to keep finding so she'd remember. I think that gun is from the outside world.

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UConn4523 : 12/7/2016 11:33 am : link
In comment 13253360 arcarsenal said:
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I think it's that the Westworld guns are designed to not hurt the humans. It's why Ford and Arnold leave Dolores with that specific gun towards the end.. the one she kills Ford with. I think it's the same one she killed Arnold with... it's the one he planted in her drawer and buried in her yard for her to keep finding so she'd remember. I think that gun is from the outside world.


Makes sense. I originally thought it was planted to start getting Delores to think back on her past but you could be right.
By the way  
ron mexico : 12/7/2016 11:46 am : link
the westworld webpage has been changed
Link - ( New Window )
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Cam in MO : 12/7/2016 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13253360 arcarsenal said:
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I think it's that the Westworld guns are designed to not hurt the humans. It's why Ford and Arnold leave Dolores with that specific gun towards the end.. the one she kills Ford with. I think it's the same one she killed Arnold with... it's the one he planted in her drawer and buried in her yard for her to keep finding so she'd remember. I think that gun is from the outside world.


Yeah- the guns in WW only fire real bullets at hosts. It's some sort of BB that it fires at guests.

If you notice, when the park is new and William is young, the guns packed a bigger punch than the ones in the present- which don't even cause him to flinch. The first time he's shot in the flashback sequences he has a hell of a welt- when Teddy shoots him in ep1, it's like he doesn't even feel it. I thought that was a nice touch to show how the parks technology and safety has improved over the years.
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