I know it is easy to look back in retrospect and say Flowers should not have been the pick, but the truth is what it is. Flowers might be the worst LT in the league and it showed today. Old Man Harrison gave him a clinic today.
You knew it was going to be a long day on the hold in the endzone. His technique is shit. What is with the head down and grab move? Is that what that is called? He seems lazy and looks to be uncoachable at this point.
A knee jerk pick in response to Dallas just killing it in the draft with OL. Pugh was a semi reach as well although he has acquitted himself nicely, injuries aside. Richburg has regressed terribly. We all want to laud Reese for his 1st and 2nd round draft prowess, but it isn't all perfect. I'm not bashing him. Just stating the obvious.
Danny Shelton would have looked good here. Oh, and lazy Andrus Peat is looking good in N.O.
Should've. Could've. Would've.
What was idiotic, though, was insisting that Flowers was the LT this year come hell or highwater and having no backup plan. Anyone who saw Flowers last year knew there was a possibility he could struggle. It is ridiculous to say otherwise.
For some reason, there seems to be this arrogance in the Giant's organization regarding their evaluations--as if somehow they are smarter than everyone. Their complete mis-evaluation of the OL shows how far from the truth that is.
A Flowers hold is coming!
It's crazy with that guy. Kills us over and over again, at the worst possible times.
That said, I'm wondering if he just ends up playing somewhere else on the line next year. Maybe he goes back to RT and we end up looking for someone else at LT? I'm not ready to call him a bust, but man he can be maddening sometimes.
Like others, I wonder if a flip to the right would help. I hope the FO has a solution. Or at least that he evolves. Quickly.
Just a bad game by him.
This^. Flowers is not the future at LT. Might even put him at guard to get some interior line push on short yardage.
Eli's blindside protection must be upgraded. It's clearly effecting him and frankly the timing and execution of the entire offense. Even when he isn't 'beaten' on a play he rarely provides a feeling of security. You can almost feel Eli's inner clock ticking, telling him to get the ball out now, or I may never have the chance...
And most of all...why the heck did we sign Beatty.?
Last thing I noticed, he seems to be a lot less vocal and demonstrative on the field this year. His fire on the field was a pleasant surprise last year. Could he be in his own head with the penalties and criticisms?
The window for Eli has pretty much shut and we need to start building for the future.
Eli also is often ubder durress and we can not run. At the moment Flowers seems to be a liability at LT and as stated prior it might be worth looking at him at another line position.
Those holding calls are getting old though. Right now, the pick if intended to fill the LT spot long term does look like a whiff.
This.
Eli also is often ubder durress and we can not run. At the moment Flowers seems to be a liability at LT and as stated prior it might be worth looking at him at another line position.
Those holding calls are getting old though. Right now, the pick if intended to fill the LT spot long term does look like a whiff.
Spot on, Rocco. That hold for the safety negated a great throw and run after catch by OBJ. 3rd and 14. OBJ gets 15 and was pumped. The subsequent drive nets a FG by the Steelers. 5-0. All from the hold in the endzone.
But that s ok because he neglects the position on defense that can defend those tight ends he never drafts, line backer
I'd rather have taken Gurley and allowed Reese to fill out the OL with a different combination of players in subsequent rounds in 2015, this past draft, and FA this past spring.
That said he was awful yesterday
So, is he really going to succeed at RT? I'm not so sure.
the running backs ran 15 less times than Bell. He had plenty of time my ass. Watch the game again. And yet the hold for the safety doesn't happen if the ball is on their side of the field on a defensive PI
Flower gave up...
7 pressures
5 hurries
Holding penalty for a safety
A sack
False start...
But other than that... it's all eli's fault.
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this is all on Eli and the coach. The line was getting off the ball and giving the running backs room to run yet all we did was stupid pass after pass. He had plenty of time. Shoot the Pitt QB had pressure the whole day also and did not shit the bed.
Flower gave up...
7 pressures
5 hurries
Holding penalty for a safety
A sack
False start...
But other than that... it's all eli's fault.
Manning was uncomfortable because his line is a sieve. He's under constant pressure and knows he has about 2 seconds to get rid of the ball. It's a joke.
Period
Period
Yup.
Meanwhile we get to watch our "mean nasty" #1 pick flounder around during what appears to be an interminable learning period.
He's young and plays with a mean streak so I still think there is hope for him. But unless he dedicates himself to fixing his technique, there is no future for him at any tackle position. Nowadays, speed rushers are not just relegated to the RDE. I think he would benefit moving to the interior.
Jerry has how many more whiff's or miss assignments?
When Pugh comes back put him at LT and put the guy from up north at RG and use Beatty as an extra blocker. How much more could that hurt us? Flowers should not be starting period and I do not care how old he is or do we think that in the next 7 days a light switch is going to come on and he gets it? As O'Hare said over a month ago that this guy is a coach killer. He is going to get another OL coach fired because Reese has to cover his ass on the pick
The Giants should give Flowers more help, or bench him in favor of Beatty. Maybe next year they can try him at guard or perhaps RT, but I don't think he has a future at tackle, certainly not LT.
I also agree that RIchburg has regressed. He gets no push, but does get pushed back a lot.
Poor OL play is the biggest reason the offense is moribund.
I've argued that since we do nothing but run up the middle, we should have 2 pure pass blocking OTs and some blasters inside. The OTs aren't asked to do anything more than steer DEs wide on run plays. The real work is being done by the interior players and that's where Flowers could really help us - rooting DTs out, and creating some creases inside. But no, we just have to keep him at LT.
I've argued that since we do nothing but run up the middle, we should have 2 pure pass blocking OTs and some blasters inside. The OTs aren't asked to do anything more than steer DEs wide on run plays. The real work is being done by the interior players and that's where Flowers could really help us - rooting DTs out, and creating some creases inside. But no, we just have to keep him at LT.
I've been saying Reese should have been shown the door last year. His lack of leadership and the Defense he left a two time super Bowl coach to play with last year was an embarrassment. His drafts on the O-Line have been below average