I know it is easy to look back in retrospect and say Flowers should not have been the pick, but the truth is what it is. Flowers might be the worst LT in the league and it showed today. Old Man Harrison gave him a clinic today.
You knew it was going to be a long day on the hold in the endzone. His technique is shit. What is with the head down and grab move? Is that what that is called? He seems lazy and looks to be uncoachable at this point.
A knee jerk pick in response to Dallas just killing it in the draft with OL. Pugh was a semi reach as well although he has acquitted himself nicely, injuries aside. Richburg has regressed terribly. We all want to laud Reese for his 1st and 2nd round draft prowess, but it isn't all perfect. I'm not bashing him. Just stating the obvious.
Danny Shelton would have looked good here. Oh, and lazy Andrus Peat is looking good in N.O.
Should've. Could've. Would've.
Meanwhile we get to watch our "mean nasty" #1 pick flounder around during what appears to be an interminable learning period.
They whiffed badly on Russell Okung, and their offensive line isn't good either. Wilson being a mobile QB helps them a lot. Not really a grass is greener situation.
Agreed. Keep Beatty as a backup. He hasn't played much this year, but I'd bring him back next year as a good veteran who can step in and play LT in an emergency. He'd be a nice insurance policy. I might also keep Newhouse as a backup guard and spot tackle. Then get another interior lineman in FA or the draft.
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In comment 13249235 Big Blue '56 said:
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will let him grow at his young age and assess in a year or two..
Period
Yup.
Then we get to see the sound move up in the draft Nassib
It's that 70's Show all over again ... Too bad Jerry doesn't have another 200 million to fix the offense ...
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In comment 13249235 Big Blue '56 said:
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will let him grow at his young age and assess in a year or two..
Period
Yup.
Then we get to see the sound move up in the draft Nassib
It's that 70's Show all over again ... Too bad Jerry doesn't have another 200 million to fix the offense ...
What the fuck are you babbling about?
What was idiotic, though, was insisting that Flowers was the LT this year come hell or highwater and having no backup plan. Anyone who saw Flowers last year knew there was a possibility he could struggle. It is ridiculous to say otherwise.
For some reason, there seems to be this arrogance in the Giant's organization regarding their evaluations--as if somehow they are smarter than everyone. Their complete mis-evaluation of the OL shows how far from the truth that is.
I wouldn't read too much into the Giants' public insistence that Flowers remain at OLT. It is very possible, even likely, that they knew they would have to move on from him eventually, but didn't want to publicly question him and damage his confidence. And for all we know, maybe Will Beatty is the temporary backup plan until an OLT can be drafted or signed. I've always thought he was better suited to the right side, as did many here, if that is true, I'm pretty sure Giant brass is aware of it as well.
it a wasted pick. If you don't make a decision by the end
of the year though, then it becomes a five year process to find a suitable LT. (Three years on him, plus his replacement). Knowing how they go about things around here
unfortunately, I don't see then making a decision by the
end of the year!
Does it really matter that he is only 22 years old? It's not like he was a former TE who made the switch his senior year at North Dakota State. Between Miami and Big Blue he has been playing OT for several years and has been coached by very experienced and highly regarded OL coaches.
The Giants fired Pat Flaherty with the hope that another OL coach would make a difference, but he has shown zero improvement. It's 28 games now with the Giants and roughly another 30 games he played OT for Miami. His youth is not the issue.
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In comment 13249235 Big Blue '56 said:
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will let him grow at his young age and assess in a year or two..
Period
Yup.
Then we get to see the sound move up in the draft Nassib
It's that 70's Show all over again ... Too bad Jerry doesn't have another 200 million to fix the offense ...
What the fuck are you babbling about?
Every god damn thread you make some snide comment about
the poster . If you don't like it STFU or add something
positive .
I'd rather have taken Gurley and allowed Reese to fill out the OL with a different combination of players in subsequent rounds in 2015, this past draft, and FA this past spring.
Todd Gurley???
HAHA.
I guess you haven't watched him this season.
You lost me at "I don't care what the coaches think." I guess this means you have all the requisite skill, information, experience, judgment, insight on medical information and injury status, to make decisions about NFL offensive linemen individually and as a grouping. Sounds like you're the kind of guy who also "doesn't care what the doctors think" and "doesn't care what the teachers think" and doesn't care what the microbiologists think" because you know more and are more qualified than anyone working in any discipline. This goes beyond opinion into absurdity.
Flowers has struggled, but shuffling the entire OL around 12 games into the season isn't a magic pill that's going to fix everything. In all likelihood it would make matters worse.
Flowers to guard or RT? That's something you look into in camp, not 12 games in.
Beatty to LT? He hasn't played LT in a very long time. It would be a risky move at best, catastrophic at worst.
This is Madden 2017, you can't shuffle the line and expect everything to just work.
Good lord. The ignorance on display today is incredible.
Having down years doesn't mean it's a swing and miss. It's just a down year. Both guys can clearly play.
Pugh has not regressed. He was playing at a high level.
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or... is it a coaching/development thing? It seems that both Pugh and Richburg have regressed since they have been here. How the hell does that happen?
Pugh has not regressed. He was playing at a high level.
Pugh was drafted to be a Tackle.. he's good at Guard, we still need tackles, so yes, he regressed
looks like Flowers will end up at RG.. we still need a LT
That said, Flowers performance this season has been poor. If they like a LT, I don't think Flowers' presence prevents them from picking a LT.
looks like Flowers will end up at RG..
You literally just made this up
Please explain how Pugh has regressed.
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or... is it a coaching/development thing? It seems that both Pugh and Richburg have regressed since they have been here. How the hell does that happen?
Please explain how Pugh has regressed.
He has been invisible on the field since week 9.