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Anyone else miss Gilbride?

armstead98 : 12/5/2016 7:59 am
Say what you want about his offense being too complex, but at least when it was clicking it was unstoppable.

I always thought he got a bad rap with fans, especially for a coordinator that oversaw one of the best offenses in the league on a consistent basis.

This isn't a bash Mcadoo thread, Just thinking lately that maybe Gilbride shouldn't have been driven out of town.
Loved KG,  
Big Blue '56 : 12/5/2016 8:01 am : link
but for starters, you'd have to have a FB in his O, at least here..Right now we don't..

That ship has sailed
Oh please  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/5/2016 8:02 am : link
Stop it. His offense was terrible at the end. No weapons no offensive line no results
You  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/5/2016 8:03 am : link
really need to go back and review the threads from his last year here.
imagine long developing routes  
dep026 : 12/5/2016 8:06 am : link
with this OL? LMAO! Eli would get sacked 10 times a game.
.Gilbride was an accomplished OC  
RetroJint : 12/5/2016 8:09 am : link
He was unfairly criticized but I don't think he would be helping too much this season. The issue is the QB. The play of the QB has regressed to a frightening degree. It gets masked by WCO fluff stats and a stretch of weak teams on the schedule. However that's ended. Beginning yesterday to the end of the season, Eli will be under intense scrutiny and there are 22 million reasons why that is not unfair.
Maybe we should  
Doomster : 12/5/2016 8:14 am : link
repost some of the KG comments at the end of his last season....
RE: .Gilbride was an accomplished OC  
gmenatlarge : 12/5/2016 8:15 am : link
In comment 13249243 RetroJint said:
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He was unfairly criticized but I don't think he would be helping too much this season. The issue is the QB. The play of the QB has regressed to a frightening degree. It gets masked by WCO fluff stats and a stretch of weak teams on the schedule. However that's ended. Beginning yesterday to the end of the season, Eli will be under intense scrutiny and there are 22 million reasons why that is not unfair.

totally disagree, the issue is the O-line it has been all year. No run game, poor TE play, poor pass protection has Eli chucking and ducking at times, give him some support and he can still carve teams up, he just has very little besides Beckham.
I miss having a play caller  
CT Charlie : 12/5/2016 8:16 am : link
for whom it's a full-time job.
I miss last year's McAdoo  
jcn56 : 12/5/2016 8:16 am : link
I really think that having Sullivan as OC is hurting his chances. He's got to hand off those playcalling duties to someone, and Sullivan isn't it.
Are we going to  
ryanmkeane : 12/5/2016 8:21 am : link
have a thread like this after every loss? Or is that a rhetorical question?
It's never just one thing that is the issue  
Matt in SGS : 12/5/2016 8:21 am : link
to fix what is going on with the offense. If it was that easy, the Giants would have done it last year.

There are only so many resources and changes you can make to an NFL team in an offseason. This past one was to fix a historically bad defense, and that happened. The Giants hoped that the offense would pick up with some of the production we saw in the first 2 years with McAdoo, and that hasn't happened. And why is that? Well, the past few years, with a bad defense, they had to score just to stay in games and they were forced to open up the offense.

As a coach, McAdoo's job is to win games, it doesn't matter how, just win. Early in the season we saw a few things. The defense was better than we thought. And the offensive line was worse than we thought. They came into the preseason with 2 Fullbacks on the roster and lost them both to injury. They came in with 3 TEs, and 2 of them aren't good blockers and 1 is a rookie. When you look at the offensive line, they aren't good enough to sustain blocks a long time without Eli getting pressure or someone getting a holding penalty, or in the case of Flowers, both.

So McAdoo stripped it all down, they are running the most simplistic offense in the NFL, only a handful of routes and pretty much a variation on a shotgun draw. That's it. And if it's bad competition or whatever, they are 8-4. They are stepping up in weight class now and they will need to do more. They fell on their face yesterday in Pittsburgh.

I had mentioned before the season that I thought this was an 8-8 team, but with a few breaks could be 9-7 or 10-6 and be in the Wild Card hunt and have a punchers chance if they make the playoffs. Next year they will be able to address the offense in the off-season and I think they will be a Super Bowl threat for a couple more years before Eli hangs them up. This is a flawed team that is playing at the top end of what they are capable of. I still think they beat Dallas on Sunday and will find a way to win at least 1 more game and get to 10-6 and make the playoffs. Everything else is gravy and next year get in re-enforcements on the OL and at TE and RB.

and the Giants  
Giants2012 : 12/5/2016 8:24 am : link
-have to use another timeout with the play clocking running out
- QB and receivers are not on the same page
No  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/5/2016 8:33 am : link
Not for a second.
that scheme and THIS OL? lol, no  
Heisenberg : 12/5/2016 8:35 am : link
don't miss Gilbride with this personnel, especially.
no  
mdc1 : 12/5/2016 8:38 am : link
but I do miss an oline that cannot even execute on basic blocking assignments to support a running game, convert a 4th and short and provide adequate time for Eli to make rotation decisions. Even a rookie QB like Dak can be an allstar with a competent oline.
if we continue with this olie strategy  
mdc1 : 12/5/2016 8:39 am : link
we probably need to consider mobile throwing QBs in the future. Eli is not that type.
The offensive line fell apart and took everybody else down with it.  
Britt in VA : 12/5/2016 8:40 am : link
Gilbride, Coughlin, and eventually Manning. Our entire team fell apart when the offensive line fell apart in 2012.

Who knows when we'll recover.
RE: The offensive line fell apart and took everybody else down with it.  
Giants2012 : 12/5/2016 8:46 am : link
In comment 13249313 Britt in VA said:
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Gilbride, Coughlin, and eventually Manning. Our entire team fell apart when the offensive line fell apart in 2012.

Who knows when we'll recover.


Yeah, but they drafted Wilson and Randle and added a whole three linemen over the next three years.
RE: The offensive line fell apart and took everybody else down with it.  
drkenneth : 12/5/2016 8:48 am : link
In comment 13249313 Britt in VA said:
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Gilbride, Coughlin, and eventually Manning. Our entire team fell apart when the offensive line fell apart in 2012.

Who knows when we'll recover.


Probably never. I'm not sure I'll ever watch again. All hope is lost.
RE: Loved KG,  
djstat : 12/5/2016 8:52 am : link
In comment 13249231 Big Blue '56 said:
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but for starters, you'd have to have a FB in his O, at least here..Right now we don't..

That ship has sailed
I am curious your OBSESSION with a FB. Every post about the offense Big Blue '56 has a FB mention. 1/2 teams in the league do not have a traditional FB.
wish we had  
eliapple : 12/5/2016 8:54 am : link
Pitts OC
I absolutely miss both TC and KG.  
area junc : 12/5/2016 9:00 am : link
I was fine moving on (shelf life aspect) but we didn't really "move on". We should've just waited until Eli was done and rebuilt then.

But the fact KG REPEATEDLY warned the Giants front office that the OLine was going to sh#t, to no avail, and then eventually we kick him and TC out the door, Gettleman.....

Seems like all the "football guys" were shown the door and bunch of people who have no idea what they're doing are still here. Say what you will about TC/KG, their scheme is so much better than the one we're using now, it's not even debatable.
RE: I absolutely miss both TC and KG.  
Britt in VA : 12/5/2016 9:03 am : link
In comment 13249366 area junc said:
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I was fine moving on (shelf life aspect) but we didn't really "move on". We should've just waited until Eli was done and rebuilt then.

But the fact KG REPEATEDLY warned the Giants front office that the OLine was going to sh#t, to no avail, and then eventually we kick him and TC out the door, Gettleman.....

Seems like all the "football guys" were shown the door and bunch of people who have no idea what they're doing are still here. Say what you will about TC/KG, their scheme is so much better than the one we're using now, it's not even debatable.


With the large drop off in offensive production from last year to this year, you also have to wonder exactly how much was McAdoo's offense last year, and how much was still Coughlin's offense infused? I mean, it's all of the same personnel... So what's changed?

Coughlin's offense was always predicated on the deep ball, something we did much better last year.
Oh I think we're finding  
area junc : 12/5/2016 9:19 am : link
out right now Tom was helping McAdoo look OK. I use the term "OK" loosely because IMO he hasn't don't jack squat here. But it certainly looked better the 1st 2 years.

RE: FB. Remember - McAdoo didn't want another FB. There are/were FBs sitting on their ass that could help us. McAdoo didn't want one. He should look at his butt buddy McCarthy and see how he's used Kuhn and now Ripkowski. Does BM even have an understanding of his own scheme?

I admit, I've never been a fan of McAdoo - he has a serious R@y H@ndley vibe.
You lost me there....  
Britt in VA : 12/5/2016 9:20 am : link
but I do think Tom Coughlin had this offense preparing much better last year, than he is given credit for here.
I still thiink McAdoo can do a good job, it's only his first season...  
Britt in VA : 12/5/2016 9:22 am : link
and it's a lot to digest. Growing pains.
.  
Danny Kanell : 12/5/2016 9:23 am : link
At this point, I think it's primarily a talent issue.

Subpar LT play. Subpar C play. Subpar G play. Subpar RB play. Subpar TE play. Subpar #2 and slot WR play.

That's 7 out of the 11 positions on the offensive side of the ball where we are regularly getting subpar play. And the other OL positions are servicable at best. It's Eli and Beckham, a little Shepard, and that's it.

McAdoo hinted in his presser yesterday that we are that we are at this point. I don't think he's doing them any favors with running nearly every play out of the same formation but it doesn't change the fact that this is the offensive version of 2015's defense.

Many positions need an overhaul. Flowers must be moved to RT. We have to hope Richburg is playing hurt but it makes no sense how bad he has been. And Pugh needs to stay healthy.

We need to find a legit LT, G, TE, RB, and #2 WR to move Shepard into the slot. These are starting positions. Not depth that we need. Another busy offseason for Reese. In the meantime, let's just hope the D is good enough to get 2 more wins to get us in the playoffs. I think they are.
I believe you are all missing it ....  
moose53 : 12/5/2016 9:24 am : link
We should not be pining for the old days of KG and TC. McAdoo's mistake was taking a step backward for the offense by selecting Sullivan as OC.

We needed an OC ready to take a next creative step within the Green Bay BM tree and further away from TC.

The one major change from last year is the elevation of Sullivan - what I believe is subtraction by addition.

BM however ultimately takes responsibility for this.
You are right that is the difference  
area junc : 12/5/2016 9:25 am : link
in our viewpoints.

I do not like him, moving forward. Didn't want him as OC, didn't want him as HC. Even less impressed now than I was then. I see him as a Mike Mularkey-type - gets a brief taste of being a Head Coach and eventually goes back to being a position coach.

I'd be surprised if anyone was even excited about hiring him as an OC after what he's put on tape.
moose53  
area junc : 12/5/2016 9:28 am : link
I agree with you there and said losing Danny Langsdorf was a much bigger deal than people were making it out to be. (He was the only guy other than McAdoo who knew how to coach the skill players for the WCO.)

We also caught a bad break when Joe Philbin turned us down, although we should've offered him the OC job instead of the OLine Coach job. He's no great shakes but at least he knows what we're doing.
Last time I looked  
Doomster : 12/5/2016 10:04 am : link
Sullivan wasn't calling the plays......

We let this OL get old....our resources over the years should have been used to rebuild the line.....and to an extent, they were....but done poorly....Boothe a good backup, was used as a stop gap starter.....free agents like Baas and Schwartz couldn't stay on the field......we drafted Chris Snee in 2004.....we didn't draft another starter, until Beatty in 2009....that means, that in a span of 8 seasons, we only drafted one starting OLman....how is that not neglecting the OL? and then in desperation we draft a starting lineman from 2013 to 2015.....but you can't just throw guys together and expect instant gratification....in some cases, it may take years for a line to develop....and how have those three performed? Flowers has not played as we hoped, and may be playing out of position.....Pugh is solid, but nothing special.....and Richburg, for whatever reason, has taken a step back....and the right side, is what it is....

Because the OL has been ignored for years, and because of bad decisions in free agency,and draft picks not having the results we expected, this line is what it is.....and Eli is the beneficiary of it, in a negative way.....

This team can't run the ball....it can't consistently convert third and short....because of this, Eli has lost an important element of this offense....the play action pass....defenses give it no respect because we haven't the ability to run the ball....we haven't had that ability for many seasons....can you imagine if Eli came to the line, looked over the defense and had the option to run or pass? He doesn't have that option anymore.....

You almost have to cry as you laugh about the posters who say Reese has taken care of the OL.....he hasn't, and Eli is paying for it.....
If we ran  
Josh in the City : 12/5/2016 10:26 am : link
Gilbride's offense with this offensive line, Eli would literally be killed. Long developing option routes were did Gilbride in towards the end of his tenure here. He was never able to adjust to the mediocre oline we had.
At this point,  
prdave73 : 12/5/2016 12:46 pm : link
I would love Gilbride. That says alot.
RE: I absolutely miss both TC and KG.  
David in LA : 12/5/2016 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13249366 area junc said:
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I was fine moving on (shelf life aspect) but we didn't really "move on". We should've just waited until Eli was done and rebuilt then.

But the fact KG REPEATEDLY warned the Giants front office that the OLine was going to sh#t, to no avail, and then eventually we kick him and TC out the door, Gettleman.....

Seems like all the "football guys" were shown the door and bunch of people who have no idea what they're doing are still here. Say what you will about TC/KG, their scheme is so much better than the one we're using now, it's not even debatable.


Stop pretending you are an insider. Neither you, nor most people here would know how personnel is procured in a vacuum. Is it a fact that KG warned the FO about the OL, or is it more of you just pulling shit out of your ass?
RE: imagine long developing routes  
bradshaw44 : 12/5/2016 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13249241 dep026 said:
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with this OL? LMAO! Eli would get sacked 10 times a game.


This sums it up. What you miss is the OL we had for the first half of Eli's career.
boy  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/5/2016 1:37 pm : link
this is a true reversal -- if you can't be with the one you've got now, miss the one you had that you used to be unable to be with
I miss having Nicks, a healthy Cruz, and an offensive line  
yatqb : 12/5/2016 1:41 pm : link
that allows Eli time to play comfortably rather than get rid of the ball in two seconds.
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