accomplished?
Okay, he shit the bed with the S situation in '09. He has admitted as much. Probably slow to work on the OL, but has drafted rather well with Pugh, Richburg and Flowers despite some work in progress there. You hate Flowers? Fine..I'll wait for this aggressive, 21 year-old to have another season or two before weighing in and even then, would I really know what I'm seeing from TV? I'll trust in Solari's ongoing work with him before disparaging his play..Maybe ORT will be his landing place. The Giants know better than I do..
We had to re-build arguably the worse D in history and he has done a tremendous job in just one off season. Last year's "lousy" trade up for Collins, is suddenly not so lousy..
He tried to fortify the OL with FAs. He either was unable to quickly pull the trigger on some OL while putting together his D, or some FAs simply did not want to come here, or many were simply damaged goods..
With his recent drafting record, we can all pretty much assume he'll go Offense this offseason and possibly lure some young FA OL talent..
He drafted a TE in Adams. Were there any TEs available in the draft that could have helped us this year that we should have taken in the early rounds instead of who we took? How about FA? Who was available that would have made a huge difference? Maybe along with the OL, he'll draft one high next year? No idea..
So what GMs have done a better job of late? Dallas? Perhaps..The Pats? BB turns shit into gold, so who knows what that story is..Ozzie Newsome? Check his record the last bunch of years..I'm sure you can name some, but few of them could turn things around outside of possibly Dallas, imo..
Bottom line? After some lousy draft choices, bad injury luck and some omissions he has admitted to, he has been doing some fine work here, especially on D, imo
Perhaps other complaints should be pinned on possible choice of OC?PC(some borne out of necessity to mitigate some weaknesses at present)?Possible HC choice? Something else? Just asking.
The bashing gets old and is outdated imv..
Can't blame Coughlin anymore.
Can't blame Coughlin anymore.
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81 Ladarius Green TE SD PIT (4 years, $24 million)
88 Dwayne Allen TE IND IND (4 years, $29 million)
91 Zach Miller TE CHI CHI (2 years, $6 million)
98 Coby Fleener TE IND NO (5 years, $36 million)
then of course you have guys like Bennett or Vernon Davis, even a Ben Watson. All of who are superior to anyone on our roster. We do not have an NFL caliber TE on our roster.
Gary Barnidge TE CLE (3 years, $12 million)
This is the guy I would have gone after.
"I tell you, Gary Barnidge is probably one of my most favorite players I've ever coached,'' said DeFilippo before the news was official. "He really is. He's the same guy every day. He's productive. He works, he keeps his mouth shut. If you give him a coaching point, he takes it to heart and it shows on the field. And I'll tell you what, if that report is true, then the Cleveland Browns just got better today.''
Would have worked well with Eli.
Flowers not working out as a LT will be a blemish on Reese's record. As far as TE is concerned, there were rumors that the Giants wanted Hunter Henry, who was taken by SD.
In any event, Reese isn't going anywhere.
Inflated during garbage time?
The Giants lost 7 games last year when they were leading or tied with less than 2 minutes remaining in the 4th quarter. What garbage time?
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Rome wasn't built in a day, but posters blame Reese for not fixing the O and no one seems to hold Coughlin responsible for having six wins in two straight seasons.
By the way -- Coughlin's record with Jax and the NYG are identical in the last three years of his tenure with each team.
Yeah, we lost last year due to defense folding like a cheap suit 7 times. Who assembled that defensive roster? Was that Coughlin, too? You don't think Coughlin could have coached this current team with a 200 million dollar defense?
Those of you who are tired of the Reese bashing, the other side is equally fed up with the excuse making.
I can praise Reese for his moves to strengthen the Defense. They seem to be paying off. Its obvious that he made a calculated move to fix the defense hoping that he could get through another year with the OL and entire offense mostly as is. I will refrain from judgment on that strategy until the end of the year. Even so at 8-4 and playing relevant football in November and December, its not looking like a bad choice. I can also compliment him on what I think will be a very good draft class. His first in a very long time. Even if you want to praise his recent draft classes, they aren't looking so good the farther you move from draft day.
That said, I won't fully get behind Reese until he successfully rebuilds the OL. You can argue whether he has ignored the OL or not. The point seems moot to me. Is it better to ignore a problem or fail to fix it. Truth be told we are not where we need to be on the OL. Some of the blanket statements of the Reese supporters that most NFL teams are having OL problems are ridiculous and not accurate. I know there are 30 teams out there that are better than us at running the ball. Is it asking too much to be up around 18? This team will not be a contender for real until it fixes the OL and can run the ball.
And I'm sure both sides can find some unity on this issue, Can we please get a LB who can reliably cover a TE?
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the majority of it is from butthurt Coughlin apologists who are still looking for someone to blame, and didn't think he had anything to do with keeping stalwarts on the OL a year too long, or keeping a S&C coach who was costing us valuable resources in the roster replenishment department. Must be nice to not be held accountable for clock management, and having the blame laid at Reese's feet when things go bad. Where were these threads when we were winning? Fucking pathetic.
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Rome wasn't built in a day, but posters blame Reese for not fixing the O and no one seems to hold Coughlin responsible for having six wins in two straight seasons.
By the way -- Coughlin's record with Jax and the NYG are identical in the last three years of his tenure with each team.
Isn't losing your job being held accountable?
Rome wasn't built in a day, and the New York Giants offensive line is taking 5 years and counting to build.
Coughlin is irrelevant to this discussion. As in the one that's taking place about Reese, right now.
Not a completely unrelated thread from about six weeks ago that had nothing to do with Jerry Reese, who was irrelevant to that discussion.
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Yes, I'm aware of how many close games we lost last season. Those are games we are winning now. Our defense was historically bad last season, and we made it a priority to address that this year. Our 3 top signings look like home runs, Keenan Robinson was a nice pickup, and our most recent draft class looks very promising, and yet people are pining over TC lamenting we let the wrong guy go.
Yeah, we lost last year due to defense folding like a cheap suit 7 times. Who assembled that defensive roster? Was that Coughlin, too? You don't think Coughlin could have coached this current team with a 200 million dollar defense?
Did Jerry Reese blow up JPP's hand? How come Coughlin never moved on from Palmieri when we had 3 straight seasons of leading the league in losing players to injuries? How come Coughlin gets a pass on injuries when the coach is in charge of hiring the S&C coach, but Reese gets laid the blame for assembling a poor roster? Very inconsistent in how it's applied, that's the very definition of not being held accountable (to the Coughlin apologists, we know the Giants held Coughlin accountable).
I know... Heady stuff.
On the other hand, we have found that:
- Reese is terrible drafting in rounds 3-5
- Every position that he has neglected or thought he could address with late round picks and castoffs has come back to bit this team in the ass.
If Reese would fix the Offensive line, I'd be 100% fine with him.
I guess that makes me a "hater".
Ok, and for a self proclaimed "big picture guy", you come off as very whiney, with this chicken little "sky is falling" rhetoric. It's blatantly obvious you chime in with these posts to indirectly take shots at Reese and/or McAdoo to hoist your golden boy. Very peculiar you chime in here fresh off a loss, but kept your mouth shut during the winning streak. Reese is certainly not above criticism. A nuanced discussion about the FO is welcome, but it's certainly not coming from you. You showed your ass during your meltdown when we played Carolina.
I've been here every week. Are you saying I haven't been complaining about the offensive line for 4 years, now?
It's you that are seeing boogeymen... People out to get Reese's blood.
It's what he does.
Pics or GTFO?
Yes. For the love of god, please.
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but Coughlin is relevant to this discussion, because this is where the Reese disdain comes from. Again, you showed your ass during the Carolina game.
Pics or GTFO?
Shit this discussion was doing so well until my buddy Paul came on...😜
If this team wins 10 games and makes the playoffs- Will you still feel the same?
Are you familiar with Landon Collins?
Paul, just playin' with ya..😎
This sums it up for me. It's a team building philosophy. We got cute too many times with skill position players while letting the core of our team, the offensive and defensive lines, fall apart.
That is the whole argument for me, right there. That's it.
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Was his pick. That is the one guy that he got on that defense. He also added Nicks and Cruz who were very instrumental for our second ring. But I always believe that championships are won with the front lines and this is where he has failed miserably.
This sums it up for me. It's a team building philosophy. We got cute too many times with skill position players while letting the core of our team, the offensive and defensive lines, fall apart.
That is the whole argument for me, right there. That's it.
That's easier said than done. We have a top DL, the OL needs work- We knew this prior to the season.
And when did "we get cute"?
The OL has two #1s and a #2. It needs more help.
This idea that Reese has ignored the OL is simply false.
I'm talking about accountability from a fan perspective, not the organization. Where is it from your end?