I don't see how he didn't injure his chest/ribs/shoulder somehow when he got smashed by Baker. Looked like he got hit by a car.
Then in the 2nd half of the Bears game he took a monster hit from NT C.J. Wilson right in the same area.
We followed that up with the ultra-conservative gameplan vs. the Browns where Eli's deep ball was atrocious, and then this game vs. the Steelers where he again looked poor. I am also fully aware that at age 36, he's more than likely physically declining without injury.
Agree he doesnt have it with the deep ball this year but
The deep ball to Adams? What was that? Both Adams and the DB stop running, leap and ball falls well beyond them. Why didn't each just keep running where the ball was traveling?
He was running to the right, and threw across his body.....you will never get anything on a throw like that.....and Shepard was just standing there and did not make a great effort for the ball.....he had time to position himself between the ball and the defender, where if he didn't catch it, there might be a possibility of a PI.....but there was no effort on his part....you have to come back on a ball thrown like that, not wait for it....it's a learning process....
RE: Agree he doesnt have it with the deep ball this year but
Go look back at Phil and Chicago games for some examples.
Philly game is a bad example. he hit Lewis and Sheohard for TD on perfect deep balls. Throw a beautfiul deep ball caught by Cruz. He also threw another one that was dropped by Lewis.
to Adams.
Kind of showed Adams limitations there - he was 1on1 downfield with a DB he had 7" on and outweighed by 60 lbs. Instead of aggressively out-muscling the DB and showing coordination hand-eye coordination to high-point the ball, he looked like an egg who was over-matched by the situation.
That one there wasn't an experience play. It was just a desire/ability play and Adams didn't have it.
it was Flowers that forced Eli to the right......if Flowers maintains the pocket, maybe he sees Shepard raise his hand sooner, and throws it much sooner....
If he had, and thrown that ball into the endzone, it's a TD. It was disappointing. Shepard was open, the replay showed that well before the ball got there, he had separation, the defender had not yet reacted to the ball in flight, and Shepard had several yards on him.
If he had, and thrown that ball into the endzone, it's a TD. It was disappointing. Shepard was open, the replay showed that well before the ball got there, he had separation, the defender had not yet reacted to the ball in flight, and Shepard had several yards on him.
Ok lets play this out.
1. We all agree Shephard broke free of the initial coverage. However, if he had planted his feet and thrown it 50 yards down field, would have the defender recovered enough in time to make a play?
2. If SS continued to go across the field, what does the the safety who Intercepted the pass do? Magically go away? The guy was literally standing near the goal line waiting for anything deep. If Eli throws it 5, 10, hell even 15 yards further, the safety would have had plenty of time to still make the play.
The chance of that pass ever getting completed was virtually zero.
He was running to the right, and threw across his body.....you will never get anything on a throw like that.....and Shepard was just standing there and did not make a great effort for the ball.....he had time to position himself between the ball and the defender, where if he didn't catch it, there might be a possibility of a PI.....but there was no effort on his part....you have to come back on a ball thrown like that, not wait for it....it's a learning process....
Maybe cause the OL sucks and he had to run right to escape pressure?
No deep throws? What do you need to throw it deep? Time! Most of Eli's passes are slants or quick throws? Why? No time, and McAdoo knows it, so he calls plays that get the ball out quickly. That whole poster sized playbook? I bet he calls 10 of those plays. Tops.
he stopped and leaned forward..dropped in front about 2 ft..
should have been high and he jumps for it like Eli the TE
killer used to do..
It was short and yet, the ball went over both of their heads. It was a throw designed to give his TE a chance to out jump/muscle the defender in a 1 on 1 situation. The throw was not the issue. It was the complete lack of talent and ball tracking skills of our TE
He was running to the right, and threw across his body.....you will never get anything on a throw like that.....and Shepard was just standing there and did not make a great effort for the ball.....he had time to position himself between the ball and the defender, where if he didn't catch it, there might be a possibility of a PI.....but there was no effort on his part....you have to come back on a ball thrown like that, not wait for it....it's a learning process....
Maybe cause the OL sucks and he had to run right to escape pressure?
No deep throws? What do you need to throw it deep? Time! Most of Eli's passes are slants or quick throws? Why? No time, and McAdoo knows it, so he calls plays that get the ball out quickly. That whole poster sized playbook? I bet he calls 10 of those plays. Tops.
Not a single receiver either came back toward the LOS or went in the direction of Eli when he was flushed out of the pocket.
If he had, and thrown that ball into the endzone, it's a TD. It was disappointing. Shepard was open, the replay showed that well before the ball got there, he had separation, the defender had not yet reacted to the ball in flight, and Shepard had several yards on him.
Ok lets play this out.
1. We all agree Shephard broke free of the initial coverage. However, if he had planted his feet and thrown it 50 yards down field, would have the defender recovered enough in time to make a play?
2. If SS continued to go across the field, what does the the safety who Intercepted the pass do? Magically go away? The guy was literally standing near the goal line waiting for anything deep. If Eli throws it 5, 10, hell even 15 yards further, the safety would have had plenty of time to still make the play.
The chance of that pass ever getting completed was virtually zero.
Only if Eli doesn't lead Shepard to the middle/back of the endzone, which is where the throw needed to be. The DB wouldn't have made it to that spot, and Shepard would've. It was an opportunity wasted, I wish he had simply planted and not had tried to throw on the run, but again, I think Eli, at times, has been feeling pressure around him that isn't there, and he subsequently rushed that throw. Easy for me to sit here and put him under a microscope, though, he makes the decision in a split-second.
has regressed a bit. i've seen many balls that OBJ has had to wait for that if they were thrown in the right spot would've been touchdowns or big gains... like many. I love Eli like the rest of us but it's kinda glaring at this point.He's never had the type of fastball that jumps out of his hand but now he's having to load it a lot more and it still doesn't reach were it needs to.
may have had a play is if the ball is thrown near the goal posts, but Eli just doesnt have the arm strength on the run to make that throw. If he had planted, the defenders would have had more time to recover on the play. Its tough to roll to one side and throw cross field and complete it in the nfl. Especially if its 40-45 yards downfield.
he stopped and leaned forward..dropped in front about 2 ft..
should have been high and he jumps for it like Eli the TE
killer used to do..
It was short and yet, the ball went over both of their heads. It was a throw designed to give his TE a chance to out jump/muscle the defender in a 1 on 1 situation. The throw was not the issue. It was the complete lack of talent and ball tracking skills of our TE
They didn't run far enough. Back yard football looks sad like that. Neither player ran where was the ball landed. It went above their jumps. Pathetic
that he was working out with Tom House, who I guess hadn't ruined enough pitching careers so he decided to try quarterbacks. I thought the helium ball to Adams was a good idea in the sense that the 6'5 TE could wall off a shorter DB in much the same way that Boss & Ballard did.
To be fair, he's dropped in a few beauties to the right sideline , which is his short side. Maybe it's just time catching up with him. Many of his short throws blow, too, now. See Tye Third Down. Tye Fouth Down.
has regressed a bit. i've seen many balls that OBJ has had to wait for that if they were thrown in the right spot would've been touchdowns or big gains... like many. I love Eli like the rest of us but it's kinda glaring at this point.He's never had the type of fastball that jumps out of his hand but now he's having to load it a lot more and it still doesn't reach were it needs to.
I'm seeing the same things. Go back and watch some videos of him in 2007, or 2011 or whatever year you like....I think you'll see a big difference in arm strength. It's only natural that he's gong to lose some arm strength at 36 years old. He's still got enough to get the job done....but it's going to become an increasingly big issue in the years to come.
I don't see how he didn't injure his chest/ribs/shoulder somehow when he got smashed by Baker. Looked like he got hit by a car.
Then in the 2nd half of the Bears game he took a monster hit from NT C.J. Wilson right in the same area.
We followed that up with the ultra-conservative gameplan vs. the Browns where Eli's deep ball was atrocious, and then this game vs. the Steelers where he again looked poor. I am also fully aware that at age 36, he's more than likely physically declining without injury.
Agreed. It could be just age and cumulative hits, but the two you cited are probably contributing to problems with his accuracy and strength.
is the "just a bit outside/inside" throws in the intermediate routes.
yesterday he missed several receivers (a key play to OBJ comes to mind) just a little bit so that the defender was able to bat the ball away instead of it being a completion.
I thought last year Sully said Eli's arm is actually getting stronger
Eli said that he's used different training techniques (similar to baseball pitchers), to strengthen his arm, and he had good result.
I think its simply a matter of bad offense. Everything seems out of sync.
If anything, I think the cumulative effect of bad protection (extended over a few seasons) is probably effecting Eli, specifically his confidence, and accuracy.
out what works consistently with the personnel we have and do that. It is pretty clear that the deep ball is one problem, but some of the others are substantially worse, like spreading the ball around in short/medium range and converting on 3rd down.
Elis deep ball was his godsend coming out of college, throughout his career his deep has never impressed me even during his best years. He would toss up the ugliest balls and Plax would go get them, same with Beckham although he seems a little better now(notthjs year though)
His short throws are just mind boggling, he has never gotten better at them since his rookie year and he may be actually worse. He always throws at there feet or over there head.
Overall though I have always liked and supported him though. Just tired of the bonehead plays..
We figured it out, you are in denial. He was 8 yards open and the ball was badly under thrown. He was well behind the CB and to the outside of the safety. The ball was a duck that allowed the safety to get there. A halfway decent throw is a TD. It was across the field, but Eli can make that throw - or used to be able to make it.
That throw was basically a give away punt and I can't believe only a few realize it. It is a throw almost no QB ever even attempts to make and the only reason Eli did was because it was fourth down even if picked they shouldn't get the ball back in good field position. You never throw across our body on the run 45 yards down the field to the endzone unless its a hail marry.
The DB's were right by Shep and the only reason there was any separation is because Eli was running to his right. If he stopped and planted they would of took off for Shep, which they weren't far from anyway.
RE: RE: Agree he doesnt have it with the deep ball this year but
Go look back at Phil and Chicago games for some examples.
Philly game is a bad example. he hit Lewis and Sheohard for TD on perfect deep balls. Throw a beautfiul deep ball caught by Cruz. He also threw another one that was dropped by Lewis.
The Lewis throw was not beautiful. And he overthrew OBJ before half. My game selections were not hard and fast...just a few that had instances. Clearly agree with your other examples although I thought those were a bit more medium than deep.
Point still remains, he is not always short on deep throws.
RE: RE: RE: Agree he doesnt have it with the deep ball this year but
Go look back at Phil and Chicago games for some examples.
Philly game is a bad example. he hit Lewis and Sheohard for TD on perfect deep balls. Throw a beautfiul deep ball caught by Cruz. He also threw another one that was dropped by Lewis.
The Lewis throw was not beautiful. And he overthrew OBJ before half. My game selections were not hard and fast...just a few that had instances. Clearly agree with your other examples although I thought those were a bit more medium than deep.
Point still remains, he is not always short on deep throws.
The deep ball hit lewis right in the hands... haha. And yes he did miss OBJ deep. So 5 out of 6 ain't bad.
We figured it out, you are in denial. He was 8 yards open and the ball was badly under thrown. He was well behind the CB and to the outside of the safety. The ball was a duck that allowed the safety to get there. A halfway decent throw is a TD. It was across the field, but Eli can make that throw - or used to be able to make it.
You're right. The deep safety would have not adjust to all thrown differently. He would have stayed planted near the goal line as the ball goes a few yards over his head. Hahaha. Tooooooo funny.
virtually a no-risk throw. It was fourth down and so the only thing he couldn't do was take a sack. It was a virtual punt. I was surprised the defensive back didn't bat it down.
Cross field and cross body throw on the move like that with that specific defensive positioning.....not sure if anyone can make that throw.
Then in the 2nd half of the Bears game he took a monster hit from NT C.J. Wilson right in the same area.
We followed that up with the ultra-conservative gameplan vs. the Browns where Eli's deep ball was atrocious, and then this game vs. the Steelers where he again looked poor. I am also fully aware that at age 36, he's more than likely physically declining without injury.
Go look back at Phil and Chicago games for some examples.
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Go look back at Phil and Chicago games for some examples.
Philly game is a bad example. he hit Lewis and Sheohard for TD on perfect deep balls. Throw a beautfiul deep ball caught by Cruz. He also threw another one that was dropped by Lewis.
Kind of showed Adams limitations there - he was 1on1 downfield with a DB he had 7" on and outweighed by 60 lbs. Instead of aggressively out-muscling the DB and showing coordination hand-eye coordination to high-point the ball, he looked like an egg who was over-matched by the situation.
That one there wasn't an experience play. It was just a desire/ability play and Adams didn't have it.
Ok lets play this out.
1. We all agree Shephard broke free of the initial coverage. However, if he had planted his feet and thrown it 50 yards down field, would have the defender recovered enough in time to make a play?
2. If SS continued to go across the field, what does the the safety who Intercepted the pass do? Magically go away? The guy was literally standing near the goal line waiting for anything deep. If Eli throws it 5, 10, hell even 15 yards further, the safety would have had plenty of time to still make the play.
The chance of that pass ever getting completed was virtually zero.
well that part is true. The part where he is open after Eli scrambles is 100% false.
should have been high and he jumps for it like Eli the TE
killer used to do..
Maybe cause the OL sucks and he had to run right to escape pressure?
No deep throws? What do you need to throw it deep? Time! Most of Eli's passes are slants or quick throws? Why? No time, and McAdoo knows it, so he calls plays that get the ball out quickly. That whole poster sized playbook? I bet he calls 10 of those plays. Tops.
should have been high and he jumps for it like Eli the TE
killer used to do..
It was short and yet, the ball went over both of their heads. It was a throw designed to give his TE a chance to out jump/muscle the defender in a 1 on 1 situation. The throw was not the issue. It was the complete lack of talent and ball tracking skills of our TE
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He was running to the right, and threw across his body.....you will never get anything on a throw like that.....and Shepard was just standing there and did not make a great effort for the ball.....he had time to position himself between the ball and the defender, where if he didn't catch it, there might be a possibility of a PI.....but there was no effort on his part....you have to come back on a ball thrown like that, not wait for it....it's a learning process....
Maybe cause the OL sucks and he had to run right to escape pressure?
No deep throws? What do you need to throw it deep? Time! Most of Eli's passes are slants or quick throws? Why? No time, and McAdoo knows it, so he calls plays that get the ball out quickly. That whole poster sized playbook? I bet he calls 10 of those plays. Tops.
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If he had, and thrown that ball into the endzone, it's a TD. It was disappointing. Shepard was open, the replay showed that well before the ball got there, he had separation, the defender had not yet reacted to the ball in flight, and Shepard had several yards on him.
Ok lets play this out.
1. We all agree Shephard broke free of the initial coverage. However, if he had planted his feet and thrown it 50 yards down field, would have the defender recovered enough in time to make a play?
2. If SS continued to go across the field, what does the the safety who Intercepted the pass do? Magically go away? The guy was literally standing near the goal line waiting for anything deep. If Eli throws it 5, 10, hell even 15 yards further, the safety would have had plenty of time to still make the play.
The chance of that pass ever getting completed was virtually zero.
Only if Eli doesn't lead Shepard to the middle/back of the endzone, which is where the throw needed to be. The DB wouldn't have made it to that spot, and Shepard would've. It was an opportunity wasted, I wish he had simply planted and not had tried to throw on the run, but again, I think Eli, at times, has been feeling pressure around him that isn't there, and he subsequently rushed that throw. Easy for me to sit here and put him under a microscope, though, he makes the decision in a split-second.
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he stopped and leaned forward..dropped in front about 2 ft..
should have been high and he jumps for it like Eli the TE
killer used to do..
It was short and yet, the ball went over both of their heads. It was a throw designed to give his TE a chance to out jump/muscle the defender in a 1 on 1 situation. The throw was not the issue. It was the complete lack of talent and ball tracking skills of our TE
They didn't run far enough. Back yard football looks sad like that. Neither player ran where was the ball landed. It went above their jumps. Pathetic
To be fair, he's dropped in a few beauties to the right sideline , which is his short side. Maybe it's just time catching up with him. Many of his short throws blow, too, now. See Tye Third Down. Tye Fouth Down.
should have been high and he jumps for it like Eli the TE
killer used to do..
no it wasn't. Adams misplayed it. If he ran the route to the ball he gets it.
I'm seeing the same things. Go back and watch some videos of him in 2007, or 2011 or whatever year you like....I think you'll see a big difference in arm strength. It's only natural that he's gong to lose some arm strength at 36 years old. He's still got enough to get the job done....but it's going to become an increasingly big issue in the years to come.
He has missed some wide open guys and others are struggling to get open.
Age has caught up to him afraod
Age has caught up to him afraod
Sigh....
Then in the 2nd half of the Bears game he took a monster hit from NT C.J. Wilson right in the same area.
We followed that up with the ultra-conservative gameplan vs. the Browns where Eli's deep ball was atrocious, and then this game vs. the Steelers where he again looked poor. I am also fully aware that at age 36, he's more than likely physically declining without injury.
Agreed. It could be just age and cumulative hits, but the two you cited are probably contributing to problems with his accuracy and strength.
yesterday he missed several receivers (a key play to OBJ comes to mind) just a little bit so that the defender was able to bat the ball away instead of it being a completion.
I think its simply a matter of bad offense. Everything seems out of sync.
If anything, I think the cumulative effect of bad protection (extended over a few seasons) is probably effecting Eli, specifically his confidence, and accuracy.
His short throws are just mind boggling, he has never gotten better at them since his rookie year and he may be actually worse. He always throws at there feet or over there head.
Overall though I have always liked and supported him though. Just tired of the bonehead plays..
We figured it out, you are in denial. He was 8 yards open and the ball was badly under thrown. He was well behind the CB and to the outside of the safety. The ball was a duck that allowed the safety to get there. A halfway decent throw is a TD. It was across the field, but Eli can make that throw - or used to be able to make it.
The DB's were right by Shep and the only reason there was any separation is because Eli was running to his right. If he stopped and planted they would of took off for Shep, which they weren't far from anyway.
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many have been overthrows as well.
Go look back at Phil and Chicago games for some examples.
Philly game is a bad example. he hit Lewis and Sheohard for TD on perfect deep balls. Throw a beautfiul deep ball caught by Cruz. He also threw another one that was dropped by Lewis.
The Lewis throw was not beautiful. And he overthrew OBJ before half. My game selections were not hard and fast...just a few that had instances. Clearly agree with your other examples although I thought those were a bit more medium than deep.
Point still remains, he is not always short on deep throws.
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many have been overthrows as well.
Go look back at Phil and Chicago games for some examples.
Philly game is a bad example. he hit Lewis and Sheohard for TD on perfect deep balls. Throw a beautfiul deep ball caught by Cruz. He also threw another one that was dropped by Lewis.
The Lewis throw was not beautiful. And he overthrew OBJ before half. My game selections were not hard and fast...just a few that had instances. Clearly agree with your other examples although I thought those were a bit more medium than deep.
Point still remains, he is not always short on deep throws.
The deep ball hit lewis right in the hands... haha. And yes he did miss OBJ deep. So 5 out of 6 ain't bad.
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I cant believe people cannot figure this out.
We figured it out, you are in denial. He was 8 yards open and the ball was badly under thrown. He was well behind the CB and to the outside of the safety. The ball was a duck that allowed the safety to get there. A halfway decent throw is a TD. It was across the field, but Eli can make that throw - or used to be able to make it.
You're right. The deep safety would have not adjust to all thrown differently. He would have stayed planted near the goal line as the ball goes a few yards over his head. Hahaha. Tooooooo funny.
And for christ's sake, it was a desperation heave on fourth and 13 - there shouldn't be this much time devoted to discussing this play.